Bush Administration lied repeatedly to justify war...what a

[Eric]

Part 2 (middle section) of this movie says it all!!!

http://zeitgeistmovie.com/

Please tell me you're not a 9/11 truther Jeff. I pegged you to be a bit more sophisticated than that.

No, I'm more of the type of person who doesn't believe the hype, I'd rather gather all the facts 1st & make my own mind up than be told what's supposed to be real & just accept it as truth

Which reminds me, the part I meant about the war was part 3 more than 2, it's all about money & oil or oil & money, I guess one doesn't really come before the other!

Unfortunately oil is so important - definitely has a limited life though! Changes are a comin!

Just one warning - be careful what you read. Check out Popular Mechanics book about the 9-11 myths....good stuff!

[RossValoryRocks]

Stu isn't the brightest bulb in the chandelier.

The CIA is no friend to the President. Um, dude, stop making excuses. Bush held over that asshole Tenet because he liked him. Forget Bush's daddy ran the CIA?

Ok, next bullshit phrase.

I mean seriously, aren't you folks embarrassed to have defend an incredibly retarded political party and a doofus of a leader? Come on?

HAHAHA! Look who's talking Dean!

I have told you before there are many many things I don't like about President Bush, but if the alternative is Hillary then I will take Bush every day of the week.

And quit with the leading statements, it's a bullshit debating technique and shows the debaters lack of a cohesive argument.

To answer your question, No I am not embarrassed to defend what I think is right, and to catigate what I think is wrong.

[SteveForever]

Which reminds me, the part I meant about the war was part 3 more than 2, it's all about money & oil or oil & money, I guess one doesn't really come before the other!

I bet you like oil though, just like the rest of us.

[SteveForever]

double post...

[lights1961]

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080123/ap_on_go_pr_wh/misinformation_study

Sack of shit President should have been impeached in 2003. Somebody please give him a blowjob so we can impeach the bastard, OK? And please, finally, don't throw back some B.S. about the "liberal media" because no-one other than the most devoted neo-cons is buying that load of crap anymore.

WASHINGTON - A study by two nonprofit journalism organizations found that President Bush and top administration officials issued hundreds of false statements about the national security threat from Iraq in the two years following the 2001 terrorist attacks.

The study concluded that the statements "were part of an orchestrated campaign that effectively galvanized public opinion and, in the process, led the nation to war under decidedly false pretenses."

The study was posted Tuesday on the Web site of the Center for Public Integrity, which worked with the Fund for Independence in Journalism.

The study counted 935 false statements in the two-year period. It found that in speeches, briefings, interviews and other venues, Bush and administration officials stated unequivocally on at least 532 occasions that Iraq had weapons of mass destruction or was trying to produce or obtain them or had links to al-Qaida or both.

"It is now beyond dispute that Iraq did not possess any weapons of mass destruction or have meaningful ties to al-Qaida," according to Charles Lewis and Mark Reading-Smith of the Fund for Independence in Journalism staff members, writing an overview of the study. "In short, the Bush administration led the nation to war on the basis of erroneous information that it methodically propagated and that culminated in military action against Iraq on March 19, 2003."

Named in the study along with Bush were top officials of the administration during the period studied: Vice President Dick Cheney, national security adviser Condoleezza Rice, Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld, Secretary of State Colin Powell, Deputy Defense Secretary Paul Wolfowitz and White House press secretaries Ari Fleischer and Scott McClellan.

Bush led with 259 false statements, 231 about weapons of mass destruction in Iraq and 28 about Iraq's links to al-Qaida, the study found. That was second only to Powell's 244 false statements about weapons of mass destruction in Iraq and 10 about Iraq and al-Qaida.

The center said the study was based on a database created with public statements over the two years beginning on Sept. 11, 2001, and information from more than 25 government reports, books, articles, speeches and interviews.

"The cumulative effect of these false statements — amplified by thousands of news stories and broadcasts — was massive, with the media coverage creating an almost impenetrable din for several critical months in the run-up to war," the study concluded.

"Some journalists — indeed, even some entire news organizations — have since acknowledged that their coverage during those prewar months was far too deferential and uncritical. These mea culpas notwithstanding, much of the wall-to-wall media coverage provided additional, 'independent' validation of the Bush administration's false statements about Iraq," it said.

CLINTON GOT THE SAME LIES back in 1993-2000. Watch out for those non profit organizations and who gives em cash... my guess is moveon.org is part of that. To spread more hate filled crap. Just like you all believe the CIA now that
IRAN has no nuke program... RUSSIA just delivered a bunch of nuke fuel... what gives???





Rick

[ohsherrie]

You are SO wrong it isn't even funny. The Democrats got the exact same info the President did, from the CIA, which is NO FRIEND to the Bush administration, as well as from French, German and British intelligence.

Ding Ding Ding we have a winner....see George Tenet, CIA Director, Clinton appointee, Bush holdover....jeez some folks are thick.

Are you people really this ignorant? Tenet gave Bush WHAT BUSH TOLD HIM TO GIVE HIM, and the congress got WHAT BUSH AND HIS HENCHMEN WANTED THEM TO HAVE. Nothing, no reports, no testimonies, no information of any kind that could possibly lead to the truth about this administration has been given to this congress for the last 7 years that hasn't been filtered through the Regime and edited to suit their purposes.

You people have to know this. I mean, if you really don't know it, then that would mean you're spouting you're hyperbolic rhetoric out of blind, zealous ignorance. I'm not sure which is worse, blind, zealous ignorance, or actually understanding what's gone on and thinking it's as it should be. Either way, too much of that kind of thinking(or lack thereof) is a threat to freedom rather than a proponent of it and it's truly distrubing.

Who has benefitted in any way by taking Sadaam out? Is that country better off? Do you honestly believe they ever will be? Did he kill more of those people than the mess we've cause over there has or will before it's settled(if it ever is)? Did it ever occur to any of you war mongerers that it takes a Sadaam to keep those people under control? How's democracy working out for Afghanistan and Pakistan?

[Eric]

Who has benefitted in any way by taking Sadaam out?

Are you kidding me?

[RossValoryRocks]

You are SO wrong it isn't even funny. The Democrats got the exact same info the President did, from the CIA, which is NO FRIEND to the Bush administration, as well as from French, German and British intelligence.

Ding Ding Ding we have a winner....see George Tenet, CIA Director, Clinton appointee, Bush holdover....jeez some folks are thick.

Are you people really this ignorant? Tenet gave Bush WHAT BUSH TOLD HIM TO GIVE HIM, and the congress got WHAT BUSH AND HIS HENCHMEN WANTED THEM TO HAVE. Nothing, no reports, no testimonies, no information of any kind that could possibly lead to the truth about this administration has been given to this congress for the last 7 years that hasn't been filtered through the Regime and edited to suit their purposes.

You people have to know this. I mean, if you really don't know it, then that would mean you're spouting you're hyperbolic rhetoric out of blind, zealous ignorance. I'm not sure which is worse, blind, zealous ignorance, or actually understanding what's gone on and thinking it's as it should be. Either way, too much of that kind of thinking(or lack thereof) is a threat to freedom rather than a proponent of it and it's truly distrubing.

Who has benefitted in any way by taking Sadaam out? Is that country better off? Do you honestly believe they ever will be? Did he kill more of those people than the mess we've cause over there has or will before it's settled(if it ever is)? Did it ever occur to any of you war mongerers that it takes a Sadaam to keep those people under control? How's democracy working out for Afghanistan and Pakistan?

Actually no we aren't that ignorant, you evidently are so off your rocker that you see "CONSPIRACIES" everywhere. The CIA hated Bush from DAY 1! The bureaucrats at the CIA can't stand him they wouldn't give the President info stated a certain way because he told them to.

Get a grip. Learn what the realities of Washington are. Administrations are transitory, the Bureaucracy THAT is forever!

[Moon Beam]

Who has benefitted in any way by taking Sadaam out?

Are you kidding me?

Well answer her question, who has benefited?
Folks on all sides are still being killed and the war still wages on.

[Rockindeano]

"Slam Dunk"- George Tenet to Shrub

"Mission Accomplished"- Shrub upon landing on the carrier.

Gee, what happened fellers?

Stu, Hillary is 50 times more intelligent and stands for many more correct things in life than that sack of shit W.

You just can't handle a competent, smart, witty woman running your country?

[ohsherrie]

[
Get a grip. Learn what the realities of Washington are.

Reality according to who, Bush? (You might just really be that ignorant.

[SteveForever]

[quote="Rockindeano"]

"Mission Accomplished"- Shrub upon landing on the carrier.


This is a bold face lie Dean made up by the media. That sign had nothing to do with the war and Bush.
My husband helped raise that sign days before Bush even scheduled to come aboard the Lincoln.
They were at sea almost 13 months, the longest cruise since the Vietnam war for a Navy carrier.
That sign was for the crew and family members that lived through that and Bush came aboard to
thank them and the press went nuts with that.

[ohsherrie]

Yes FF, but Clinton knew just like Daddy Bush did, that taking Sadaam out without another viable form of government in position and ready to step in and take control would distablize that area of the world to the point of the exact disaster area it is now.

[X factor]

Yes FF, but Clinton knew just like Daddy Bush did, that taking Sadaam out without another viable form of government in position and ready to step in and take control would distablize that area of the world to the point of the exact disaster area it is now.

Amen!
And I get REALLY sick of Bush apologists pointing the finger at Bill Clinton whenever Bush fucks something up. You know what? Bill Clinton ain't the president, and he hasn't been for quite some time now! We're talking about the BUSH administration, folks...get that into your heads. Did Clinton make some blunders? Of course...so how does that excuse the Bush administration's deceit??

[The Sushi Hunter]

the thing that scares me is that bush just passed a law giving him full powers to cancel the presidential elections if another terrorist attack happens before he leaves office.that means if an attack happens he would be president indefinitely.

Dude are you on drugs? If that was true then the number one topic in the media would have been that and not the presidential campaigns.

What sucks is, if Bush didn't act and get our military involved in response to the 9-11 attacks, everyone would have pinged him for that. So in his case it's the "damned if you do, damned if you don't" situation. And obviously the people who are against ridding the planet of these terrorists are the people who've never experienced how fucked up it is living in hostile nations where groups like the Taliban run shit. And the other people who are against Bush are the terrorists and terrorist supporters themselves.

Clinton was never impeached by the way as someone mentioned. Deal is, while the Clinton's were running the country for eight years and Bill was smoking cubans, eating pizza and getting blow jobs by Monica, the terrorist networks were getting stronger and more powerful. As soon as Bush went into office, knowing that Bush supports our military and the security of our country, the terrorists needed to act fast, it was a "now or never" situation for the terrorists. They may have felt that they needed to attack soon while they are still strong, in fear that their power would decrease during Bush's presidency. I believe that the big wig terrorist bosses outside the U.S. wanted to just get the ball rolling and start initiating an attack on the U.S. but the terrist cells that were in the U.S. got a little over zealous and jumped the gun. I'm willing to bet that the two terrorist organizations (the ones outside the U.S. and the ones inside the U.S.) had a little bit of a communication breakdown.

Remember that freedom is not free and there are entire countries that call the U.S. their enemy simply because of religious differences and that we are free to choose what religion we want to practice. Tell a hard core Taliban Muslim that you don't believe in their faith and you'll be dead.

[Eric]

Who has benefitted in any way by taking Sadaam out?

Are you kidding me?

Well answer her question, who has benefited?
Folks on all sides are still being killed and the war still wages on.

I'm wondering if you guys know what went on there? The torturing (thumbs and limbs cut off...we're not talking dogs barking, underwear poses and waterboarding here). Gassing his own people. Sponsoring Hezbollah and Hamas terrorist organizations (ex. $10K to a family if their young child blew themselves up). COME ON! Critizice the way the war has been run, but don't forget who Saddam was and what he wanted to ultimately do. I remember Saddam saying in the mid-90's how we would someday taste our own blood on our own shores. He wanted to kill us...and in a post 9-11 world we can't take chances and let people like that stay in power.

[conversationpc]

Those Democrats weren't lying...almost every one of those statements was made IN RESPONSE TO THE LIES THE BUSH ADMINISTRATION was passing off as "intelligence". These Democrats were BEING LIED TO.

Dumbass.

You know, I remember you having a fit one time about a response similar to this that I had to one of your posts.

Anyway, it looks like BDS is running rampant again here.

[ohsherrie]

I'm wondering if you guys know what went on there? The torturing (thumbs and limbs cut off...we're not talking dogs barking, underwear poses and waterboarding here). Gassing his own people. Sponsoring Hezbollah and Hamas terrorist organizations (ex. $10K to a family if their young child blew themselves up). COME ON! Critizice the way the war has been run, but don't forget who Saddam was and what he wanted to ultimately do. I remember Saddam saying in the mid-90's how we would someday taste our own blood on our own shores. He wanted to kill us...and in a post 9-11 world we can't take chances and let people like that stay in power.

Well with all due respect Eric let me ask again, how is that country, or this one, better off now? Sadaam talked some shit, but it was Bin Laden that did it and he was no more in Iraq than those WMD were. The Iraqi people are being killed and tortured now by Al Qaeda and the civil war that we unleashed on them. The only thing that's keeping us safer here at home is that we've got most of Al Qaeda's attention focused on Iraq for the time being. When we leave that area it's going to be in much worse shape than it was with Sadaam and so are we because we're depleting our military over a completely hopeless cause.

[Tomulator]

Fact Finder...

You are my HERO.

Well done sir.

The 'truth" is a good thing to get out once in awhile...

Now, let's get back to discussing real important issues...like SP's birthday message, etc.! hahaha

[Eric]

I'm wondering if you guys know what went on there? The torturing (thumbs and limbs cut off...we're not talking dogs barking, underwear poses and waterboarding here). Gassing his own people. Sponsoring Hezbollah and Hamas terrorist organizations (ex. $10K to a family if their young child blew themselves up). COME ON! Critizice the way the war has been run, but don't forget who Saddam was and what he wanted to ultimately do. I remember Saddam saying in the mid-90's how we would someday taste our own blood on our own shores. He wanted to kill us...and in a post 9-11 world we can't take chances and let people like that stay in power.

Well with all due respect Eric let me ask again, how is that country, or this one, better off now? Sadaam talked some shit, but it was Bin Laden that did it and he was no more in Iraq than those WMD were. The Iraqi people are being killed and tortured now by Al Qaeda and the civil war that we unleashed on them. The only thing that's keeping us safer here at home is that we've got most of Al Qaeda's attention focused on Iraq for the time being. When we leave that area it's going to be in much worse shape than it was with Sadaam and so are we because we're depleting our military over a completely hopeless cause.

Granted, Iraq's well being is a long-term type of thing, and there are arguably ways that quality of life is worse is some respects. I will say - we have not been attacked again. If thats because Al Qaeda is focused on fighting in Iraq - then so be it. I by no means give the admin a passing grade.....but I do have the opinion that history books will give W a C to a C+...

[ohsherrie]

Granted, Iraq's well being is a long-term type of thing, and there are arguably ways that quality of life is worse is some respects. I will say - we have not been attacked again. If thats because Al Qaeda is focused on fighting in Iraq - then so be it. I by no means give the admin a passing grade.....but I do have the opinion that history books will give W a C to a C+...

For many years the history books told us George Washington was the symbol of honesty because he admitted cutting down his father's cherry tree and that he threw a dollar across the Potomac. We know now that neither thing happened.

The history books however, didn't tell us, and still don't, about all of the presidents since the inception of this government(including the cherry chopper) who have had extra-marital affairs while in office. To hear some people talk Bill was the first and the worst simply because more information is available now than it was in the past.

Before I have to go for the day, let me touch on this "liberal media" bullshit that some have thrown around in this thread.

For the entire 8 years that Bill Clinton was in office every main stream media newscast of everyday was all about everything that the right wing propaganda machine was trying to dig up to pin on him. They spent billions of taxpayer dollars for 8 solid years (some of which I'm sure went to Linda Tripp) on a witch hunt and all they could find was a blow job. Still, even though they found nothing, we heard about everything they suspected constantly.

We hardly hear more than a blurb or two about Bush's involvement in Enron, or all those savings and loans in Texas that he was involved in, or his being awol from the military. If Bill Clinton had tried manipulating the check and balance functions of the three bodies of our governement and the information that was given to congress and the people of this country the way Bush has with this war and his cabinet, advisory and court appointments(his regime) and the military budget we'd have heard every detail of it every day, but Bush gets away with it. Do you know why? Because the main stream media in now owned big corporations and is all about ratings and popularity that generate ad revenue. They thought it was in their best interest to wave the flag and suppress any information than may smack of being unpatriotic in a time of war.

[Arkansas]

Okay, bad joke time.

Two terrorists were comparing old pics of their kids, and swapping family stories. They were getting a little sappy when one of them teared-up and said, "They blow-up so quickly, don't they?"

later~

[lights1961]

Okay, bad joke time.

Two terrorists were comparing old pics of their kids, and swapping family stories. They were getting a little sappy when one of them teared-up and said, "They blow-up so quickly, don't they?"

later~

LMAO... hate to admit it, but good one.



Rick

[conversationpc]

AP Reports 'Bush Lied' Study Funded by Ultra-leftist George Soros

Gee...Who'd a thunk???

[lights1961]

AP Reports 'Bush Lied' Study Funded by Ultra-leftist George Soros

Gee...Who'd a thunk???

non profit my ass...

[The Sushi Hunter]

Politics isn't a good thing to discuss sometimes, because it could turn people who are friends into enemies.

With that said, one thing that has to be put into consideration here. There are people who are killing themselves every day(suicide bombers, etc.) to take away the lives of people who live in freedom, and it will take people who believe in freedom to give their own lives so people can continue to live in freedom.

[larryfromnextdoor]

Okay, bad joke time.

Two terrorists were comparing old pics of their kids, and swapping family stories. They were getting a little sappy when one of them teared-up and said, "They blow-up so quickly, don't they?"

later~

gosh!! .. pretty real too!

redemption

[ohsherrie]

Politics isn't a good thing to discuss sometimes, because it could turn people who are friends into enemies.

With that said, one thing that has to be put into consideration here. There are people who are killing themselves every day(suicide bombers, etc.) to take away the lives of people who live in freedom, and it will take people who believe in freedom to give their own lives so people can continue to live in freedom.

Yeah, and that's why the war in Afghanistan was a just war. Iraq had nothing to do with it. Now our soldiers are giving their lives for Bush's ego and to keep the oil barons rich.

[sadie65]

Does anyone on this forum believe that they will change the other "sides" opinion?

We all have our own beliefs and ideas of what we think should occur and who is best qualified to make those beliefs a reality. Like it or not each "side" has pros and cons.

It is doubtful a Republican will win. This country often does shifts back and forth in 8-12 year spans. We love to build up underdogs and then armchair quarterback them. We love to knock them down once we build them up.

For those who are so adamant that only one side (pick one) is responsible for the position we are in today, nothing anyone else posts is going to change that.

Peace to all

[NealIsGod]

It is doubtful a Republican will win. This country often does shifts back and forth in 8-12 year spans.

Yeah, but if Hillary is the Democratic nominee, lots more voters will either vote Republican or stay home than they would if anyone else is the nominee.