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Postby RedWingFan » Thu Jan 31, 2008 5:44 am

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Playitloudforme wrote:Hillary gets my vote. A Clinton/Obama ticket would be unstoppable, and I'm hoping for that.


I hope Obama doesn't sell out to the Clintons. Their racial politicking is pretty demeaning


LOL. But the republicans NEVER do that huh? LOL Like republicans care about race. Give me a fucking break.

You're right Dean! Conservatives don't care about race. We believe the most qualified should get the job. Unlike, Al "Do you support quotas?! Do you support quotas?!" Gore. :roll:
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Postby strangegrey » Thu Jan 31, 2008 5:57 am

The way this is ironing out is sad.

McCain, in my eyes, is the worst possible choice ever for president. EVER.

I'm a lifelong republican (changing party afiliations pretty damn soon, me thinks) and I would sooner vote for Hillary or Obama than fucking vote for that piece of shit.
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Postby RedWingFan » Thu Jan 31, 2008 6:01 am

strangegrey wrote:The way this is ironing out is sad.

McCain, in my eyes, is the worst possible choice ever for president. EVER.

I'm a lifelong republican (changing party afiliations pretty damn soon, me thinks) and I would sooner vote for Hillary or Obama than fucking vote for that piece of shit.

I agree 100%.
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Postby Barb » Thu Jan 31, 2008 6:04 am

strangegrey wrote:The way this is ironing out is sad.

McCain, in my eyes, is the worst possible choice ever for president. EVER.

I'm a lifelong republican (changing party afiliations pretty damn soon, me thinks) and I would sooner vote for Hillary or Obama than fucking vote for that piece of shit.


If McCain gets the nomination, I'm not voting and wishing Hillary the best. Have you heard about the guy he has working on his campaign -- Juan Hernandez? OMG! WTF is wrong with McCain? I wish Huckabee would drop out. It would help Romney a lot.

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Postby Rockindeano » Thu Jan 31, 2008 6:05 am

Will be tough to run attacks on a prisoner of war, McCain, however, this dumb bastard just got done saying we will stay in Iraq until the job gets done, even it if takes 100 years. You don't think Hillary and Obama have that packaged and ready to roll?

I prefer Romney be the nominee, because he is a sure defeat, but McCain has a shot, albeit a long one.
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Postby conversationpc » Thu Jan 31, 2008 6:05 am

strangegrey wrote:The way this is ironing out is sad.

McCain, in my eyes, is the worst possible choice ever for president. EVER.

I'm a lifelong republican (changing party afiliations pretty damn soon, me thinks) and I would sooner vote for Hillary or Obama than fucking vote for that piece of shit.


I agree...McCain is the quintessential politician, changing his spots when it benefits him to do so. He's now saying that he's the border/security champion, pro-tax cuts, etc., etc., all lies.

He's also in bed with this dude by the name of Juan Hernandez, a rabid open borders supporter. Hernandez is working on McCain's campaign and is on the record as being for the North American Union idea, which would basically mean completely open borders and even worse border security than we have now. I've seen this guy interviewed on several different radio and television shows and he is one of the slickest liars I have ever seen.

If McCain is the nominee, I will not be voting for him, even if it means whoever the Democrat nominee is gets elected.
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Postby Barb » Thu Jan 31, 2008 6:07 am

Rockindeano wrote:Will be tough to run attacks on a prisoner of war, McCain, however, this dumb bastard just got done saying we will stay in Iraq until the job gets done, even it if takes 100 years. You don't think Hillary and Obama have that packaged and ready to roll?

I prefer Romney be the nominee, because he is a sure defeat, but McCain has a shot, albeit a long one.


Do you really think Hillary or Obama are going to pull the troops out right away? I don't. I don't think they want the consequences of that on their hands.
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Postby conversationpc » Thu Jan 31, 2008 6:08 am

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Rockindeano wrote:Will be tough to run attacks on a prisoner of war, McCain, however, this dumb bastard just got done saying we will stay in Iraq until the job gets done, even it if takes 100 years. You don't think Hillary and Obama have that packaged and ready to roll?

I prefer Romney be the nominee, because he is a sure defeat, but McCain has a shot, albeit a long one.


Do you really think Hillary or Obama are going to pull the troops out right away? I don't. I don't think they want the consequences of that on their hands.


Obama might but I wouldn't necessarily expect it. I don't think Hillary will.
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Postby Rockindeano » Thu Jan 31, 2008 6:21 am

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Rockindeano wrote:Will be tough to run attacks on a prisoner of war, McCain, however, this dumb bastard just got done saying we will stay in Iraq until the job gets done, even it if takes 100 years. You don't think Hillary and Obama have that packaged and ready to roll?

I prefer Romney be the nominee, because he is a sure defeat, but McCain has a shot, albeit a long one.


Do you really think Hillary or Obama are going to pull the troops out right away? I don't. I don't think they want the consequences of that on their hands.


Last week, they both, on record in debate, said all troops out in first year. I say, Thank you Mr or Madame President.

Game over.
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Postby RedWingFan » Thu Jan 31, 2008 6:23 am

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Rockindeano wrote:Will be tough to run attacks on a prisoner of war, McCain, however, this dumb bastard just got done saying we will stay in Iraq until the job gets done, even it if takes 100 years. You don't think Hillary and Obama have that packaged and ready to roll?

I prefer Romney be the nominee, because he is a sure defeat, but McCain has a shot, albeit a long one.


Do you really think Hillary or Obama are going to pull the troops out right away? I don't. I don't think they want the consequences of that on their hands.


Last week, they both, on record in debate, said all troops out in first year. I say, Thank you Mr or Madame President.

Game over.

Yeah, and when Bill Clinton ran in '92 he promised middle class tax cuts!!!! :lol: Never happened.
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Postby Barb » Thu Jan 31, 2008 6:27 am

Rockindeano wrote:
Barb wrote:
Rockindeano wrote:Will be tough to run attacks on a prisoner of war, McCain, however, this dumb bastard just got done saying we will stay in Iraq until the job gets done, even it if takes 100 years. You don't think Hillary and Obama have that packaged and ready to roll?

I prefer Romney be the nominee, because he is a sure defeat, but McCain has a shot, albeit a long one.


Do you really think Hillary or Obama are going to pull the troops out right away? I don't. I don't think they want the consequences of that on their hands.


Last week, they both, on record in debate, said all troops out in first year. I say, Thank you Mr or Madame President.

Game over.


I think it's easy to say something like that when you're trying to win an election, but I'm guessing once the responsibility is actually theirs, they will be more cautious. JMO.
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Postby Rockindeano » Thu Jan 31, 2008 6:30 am

RedWingFan wrote:
Rockindeano wrote:
Barb wrote:
Rockindeano wrote:Will be tough to run attacks on a prisoner of war, McCain, however, this dumb bastard just got done saying we will stay in Iraq until the job gets done, even it if takes 100 years. You don't think Hillary and Obama have that packaged and ready to roll?

I prefer Romney be the nominee, because he is a sure defeat, but McCain has a shot, albeit a long one.


Do you really think Hillary or Obama are going to pull the troops out right away? I don't. I don't think they want the consequences of that on their hands.


Last week, they both, on record in debate, said all troops out in first year. I say, Thank you Mr or Madame President.

Game over.

Yeah, and when Bill Clinton ran in '92 he promised middle class tax cuts!!!! :lol: Never happened.


Didn't need em. The economy was so great, we all got taxed more and still had piles of money. You make more and more less sense daily.
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Postby Rockindeano » Thu Jan 31, 2008 6:33 am

Barb wrote:
Rockindeano wrote:
Barb wrote:
Rockindeano wrote:Will be tough to run attacks on a prisoner of war, McCain, however, this dumb bastard just got done saying we will stay in Iraq until the job gets done, even it if takes 100 years. You don't think Hillary and Obama have that packaged and ready to roll?

I prefer Romney be the nominee, because he is a sure defeat, but McCain has a shot, albeit a long one.


Do you really think Hillary or Obama are going to pull the troops out right away? I don't. I don't think they want the consequences of that on their hands.


Last week, they both, on record in debate, said all troops out in first year. I say, Thank you Mr or Madame President.

Game over.


I think it's easy to say something like that when you're trying to win an election, but I'm guessing once the responsibility is actually theirs, they will be more cautious. JMO.


Yes, you are correct. Thank God they will have the power to end this bullshit. This bullshit created by Bush, has united the Democratic party.

This is exactly why the republicans are going to punt this year. They don't want the ball under these circumstances. It's a risky deal. If the Dems can make it all ok, the GOP is in for a looong cold period w/opower. However, if the DEMS can't clean up W's shit, the GOP will have a real shot in 2012.
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Postby RossValoryRocks » Thu Jan 31, 2008 6:43 am

Rockindeano wrote:
Barb wrote:
Rockindeano wrote:
Barb wrote:
Rockindeano wrote:Will be tough to run attacks on a prisoner of war, McCain, however, this dumb bastard just got done saying we will stay in Iraq until the job gets done, even it if takes 100 years. You don't think Hillary and Obama have that packaged and ready to roll?

I prefer Romney be the nominee, because he is a sure defeat, but McCain has a shot, albeit a long one.


Do you really think Hillary or Obama are going to pull the troops out right away? I don't. I don't think they want the consequences of that on their hands.


Last week, they both, on record in debate, said all troops out in first year. I say, Thank you Mr or Madame President.

Game over.


I think it's easy to say something like that when you're trying to win an election, but I'm guessing once the responsibility is actually theirs, they will be more cautious. JMO.


Yes, you are correct. Thank God they will have the power to end this bullshit. This bullshit created by Bush, has united the Democratic party.

This is exactly why the republicans are going to punt this year. They don't want the ball under these circumstances. It's a risky deal. If the Dems can make it all ok, the GOP is in for a looong cold period w/opower. However, if the DEMS can't clean up W's shit, the GOP will have a real shot in 2012.


The Democrats are in NO WAY united. Big name Dems are leaving the Hillary bandwagon in droves, because of the kind of politics she, Bill and their "advisors" play. Obama wins the nomination. He at least has class.

And DO NOT try and turn this into a "What about Bush...<insert nasty comment here>" thing...I am merely pointing out what is being said by prominent national Democratic leaders.
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Postby Barb » Thu Jan 31, 2008 6:44 am

Rockindeano wrote:
Barb wrote:
Rockindeano wrote:
Barb wrote:
Rockindeano wrote:Will be tough to run attacks on a prisoner of war, McCain, however, this dumb bastard just got done saying we will stay in Iraq until the job gets done, even it if takes 100 years. You don't think Hillary and Obama have that packaged and ready to roll?

I prefer Romney be the nominee, because he is a sure defeat, but McCain has a shot, albeit a long one.


Do you really think Hillary or Obama are going to pull the troops out right away? I don't. I don't think they want the consequences of that on their hands.


Last week, they both, on record in debate, said all troops out in first year. I say, Thank you Mr or Madame President.

Game over.


I think it's easy to say something like that when you're trying to win an election, but I'm guessing once the responsibility is actually theirs, they will be more cautious. JMO.


Yes, you are correct. Thank God they will have the power to end this bullshit. This bullshit created by Bush, has united the Democratic party.

This is exactly why the republicans are going to punt this year. They don't want the ball under these circumstances. It's a risky deal. If the Dems can make it all ok, the GOP is in for a looong cold period w/opower. However, if the DEMS can't clean up W's shit, the GOP will have a real shot in 2012.


Hillary did vote for the.... oh nevermind. It's pointless. 8)
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Postby lights1961 » Thu Jan 31, 2008 6:45 am

Rockindeano wrote:
Barb wrote:
Rockindeano wrote:
Barb wrote:
Rockindeano wrote:Will be tough to run attacks on a prisoner of war, McCain, however, this dumb bastard just got done saying we will stay in Iraq until the job gets done, even it if takes 100 years. You don't think Hillary and Obama have that packaged and ready to roll?

I prefer Romney be the nominee, because he is a sure defeat, but McCain has a shot, albeit a long one.


Do you really think Hillary or Obama are going to pull the troops out right away? I don't. I don't think they want the consequences of that on their hands.


Last week, they both, on record in debate, said all troops out in first year. I say, Thank you Mr or Madame President.

Game over.


I think it's easy to say something like that when you're trying to win an election, but I'm guessing once the responsibility is actually theirs, they will be more cautious. JMO.


Yes, you are correct. Thank God they will have the power to end this bullshit. This bullshit created by Bush, has united the Democratic party.

This is exactly why the republicans are going to punt this year. They don't want the ball under these circumstances. It's a risky deal. If the Dems can make it all ok, the GOP is in for a looong cold period w/opower. However, if the DEMS can't clean up W's shit, the GOP will have a real shot in 2012.


two reasons GOP wins... (IRAQ is delcared victorious by fall...or OSAMA is caught dead or alive) and hillary is the DEMS CHOICE. Remember Bill got in with 43% because PEROT ran in both elections in 92 and 96.

Hillary wont win a two man (sorry for sexist remark) race... OBAMA could win a two man race... Mcain wins if IRAQ is going well---since he has been supporting the war effort from the beginning and has not waivered---it is my only reason for backing MCAIN from the start.... Everyone else has ran away from the effort...Obama is the man if everything falls
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Postby RedWingFan » Thu Jan 31, 2008 6:49 am

Rockindeano wrote:
RedWingFan wrote:
Rockindeano wrote:
Barb wrote:
Rockindeano wrote:Will be tough to run attacks on a prisoner of war, McCain, however, this dumb bastard just got done saying we will stay in Iraq until the job gets done, even it if takes 100 years. You don't think Hillary and Obama have that packaged and ready to roll?

I prefer Romney be the nominee, because he is a sure defeat, but McCain has a shot, albeit a long one.


Do you really think Hillary or Obama are going to pull the troops out right away? I don't. I don't think they want the consequences of that on their hands.


Last week, they both, on record in debate, said all troops out in first year. I say, Thank you Mr or Madame President.

Game over.

Yeah, and when Bill Clinton ran in '92 he promised middle class tax cuts!!!! :lol: Never happened.


Didn't need em. The economy was so great, we all got taxed more and still had piles of money. You make more and more less sense daily.

My post was to draw a comparison to the current Clinton campaign possibly pandering and lying to that of their pandering and lying in '92. Your reading comprehension is getting more and more worse daily! :lol:
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Postby Rockindeano » Thu Jan 31, 2008 6:50 am

LOL

Iraq victorious? Hardly. Dude, please don't post during lunch break when I have food and drink in my my mouth. You want me to believe, the American electorate will say, "oh, we are doing well now, let's give the GOP another four years.?" The electorate is stupid, but not THAT stupid. The electorate realizes they have been suppressed into a 8 year nightmare. Like I said before, this is not the year you want an "R" next to your name.

Latest numbers show the Dems increasing Senate seats by 23, House maintaining or picking up 6 more seats, and the Dems winning the White House.

You can't have the worst years of US Government and expect to remain in power can you?
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Postby RedWingFan » Thu Jan 31, 2008 6:52 am

lights1961 wrote:Mcain wins if IRAQ is going well---since he has been supporting the war effort from the beginning and has not waivered---it is my only reason for backing MCAIN from the start.... Everyone else has ran away from the effort...

Have to disagree with you here Rick. Conservatives won't be able to stomach voting for McCain. I know I can't.
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Postby RossValoryRocks » Thu Jan 31, 2008 6:52 am

Rockindeano wrote:
RedWingFan wrote:
Rockindeano wrote:
Barb wrote:
Rockindeano wrote:Will be tough to run attacks on a prisoner of war, McCain, however, this dumb bastard just got done saying we will stay in Iraq until the job gets done, even it if takes 100 years. You don't think Hillary and Obama have that packaged and ready to roll?

I prefer Romney be the nominee, because he is a sure defeat, but McCain has a shot, albeit a long one.


Do you really think Hillary or Obama are going to pull the troops out right away? I don't. I don't think they want the consequences of that on their hands.


Last week, they both, on record in debate, said all troops out in first year. I say, Thank you Mr or Madame President.

Game over.

Yeah, and when Bill Clinton ran in '92 he promised middle class tax cuts!!!! :lol: Never happened.


Didn't need em. The economy was so great, we all got taxed more and still had piles of money. You make more and more less sense daily.


You CANNOT tax a country into prosperity. CANNOT. CANNOT. CANNOT.
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Postby Rockindeano » Thu Jan 31, 2008 6:56 am

RossValoryRocks wrote:
Rockindeano wrote:
RedWingFan wrote:
Rockindeano wrote:
Barb wrote:
Rockindeano wrote:Will be tough to run attacks on a prisoner of war, McCain, however, this dumb bastard just got done saying we will stay in Iraq until the job gets done, even it if takes 100 years. You don't think Hillary and Obama have that packaged and ready to roll?

I prefer Romney be the nominee, because he is a sure defeat, but McCain has a shot, albeit a long one.


Do you really think Hillary or Obama are going to pull the troops out right away? I don't. I don't think they want the consequences of that on their hands.


Last week, they both, on record in debate, said all troops out in first year. I say, Thank you Mr or Madame President.

Game over.

Yeah, and when Bill Clinton ran in '92 he promised middle class tax cuts!!!! :lol: Never happened.


Didn't need em. The economy was so great, we all got taxed more and still had piles of money. You make more and more less sense daily.


You CANNOT tax a country into prosperity. CANNOT. CANNOT. CANNOT.


Well, He taxed, and we went into,...um...prosperity.
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Postby RossValoryRocks » Thu Jan 31, 2008 6:57 am

Rockindeano wrote:LOL

Iraq victorious? Hardly. Dude, please don't post during lunch break when I have food and drink in my my mouth. You want me to believe, the American electorate will say, "oh, we are doing well now, let's give the GOP another four years.?" The electorate is stupid, but not THAT stupid. The electorate realizes they have been suppressed into a 8 year nightmare. Like I said before, this is not the year you want an "R" next to your name.

Latest numbers show the Dems increasing Senate seats by 23, House maintaining or picking up 6 more seats, and the Dems winning the White House.

You can't have the worst years of US Government and expect to remain in power can you?


You eating magic mushroom sandwiches again for lunch? Because you hallucinating. 23 seats is the total number of republican seats up for election you cannot tell me you actually THINK that the democrats will win all of them do you?? Perhaps if you cited sources for your magic poll info here?

Here is a good one site for everyone...run by a statistician who just crunches everyone elses numbers...he was dead on in 2004.

http://www.electoral-vote.com/
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Postby RedWingFan » Thu Jan 31, 2008 6:58 am

Rockindeano wrote:
RossValoryRocks wrote:
Rockindeano wrote:
RedWingFan wrote:
Rockindeano wrote:
Barb wrote:
Rockindeano wrote:Will be tough to run attacks on a prisoner of war, McCain, however, this dumb bastard just got done saying we will stay in Iraq until the job gets done, even it if takes 100 years. You don't think Hillary and Obama have that packaged and ready to roll?

I prefer Romney be the nominee, because he is a sure defeat, but McCain has a shot, albeit a long one.


Do you really think Hillary or Obama are going to pull the troops out right away? I don't. I don't think they want the consequences of that on their hands.


Last week, they both, on record in debate, said all troops out in first year. I say, Thank you Mr or Madame President.

Game over.

Yeah, and when Bill Clinton ran in '92 he promised middle class tax cuts!!!! :lol: Never happened.


Didn't need em. The economy was so great, we all got taxed more and still had piles of money. You make more and more less sense daily.


You CANNOT tax a country into prosperity. CANNOT. CANNOT. CANNOT.


Well, He taxed, and we went into,...um...prosperity.

Don't forget part of that "prosperity" came from slashing our military and intelligence. :wink:
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Postby Rockindeano » Thu Jan 31, 2008 7:00 am

Military needed to be cut. it was way too big.

You all seem to forget the biggest boon economy ever was under Clinton's watch, or was that due to Bush 41's previous economic handling? LOL

here it comes.
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Postby RossValoryRocks » Thu Jan 31, 2008 7:01 am

Rockindeano wrote:
RossValoryRocks wrote:
Rockindeano wrote:
RedWingFan wrote:
Rockindeano wrote:
Barb wrote:
Rockindeano wrote:Will be tough to run attacks on a prisoner of war, McCain, however, this dumb bastard just got done saying we will stay in Iraq until the job gets done, even it if takes 100 years. You don't think Hillary and Obama have that packaged and ready to roll?

I prefer Romney be the nominee, because he is a sure defeat, but McCain has a shot, albeit a long one.


Do you really think Hillary or Obama are going to pull the troops out right away? I don't. I don't think they want the consequences of that on their hands.


Last week, they both, on record in debate, said all troops out in first year. I say, Thank you Mr or Madame President.

Game over.

Yeah, and when Bill Clinton ran in '92 he promised middle class tax cuts!!!! :lol: Never happened.


Didn't need em. The economy was so great, we all got taxed more and still had piles of money. You make more and more less sense daily.


You CANNOT tax a country into prosperity. CANNOT. CANNOT. CANNOT.


Well, He taxed, and we went into,...um...prosperity.


No he didn't...The Republican congress LOWERED taxes Clinton and the previous Democratic congress put in in 1993...thus starting the boom in '95.
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Postby RedWingFan » Thu Jan 31, 2008 7:01 am

Rockindeano wrote:Military needed to be cut. it was way too big.

You all seem to forget the biggest boon economy ever was under Clinton's watch, or was that due to Bush 41's previous economic handling? LOL

here it comes.

Yeah, it needed to be cut so senate democrats could whine about lack of armour when we went to Iraq. :lol:
Intel needed to be cut so senate democrats could whine about not connecting the dots. :roll:
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Postby lights1961 » Thu Jan 31, 2008 7:02 am

Rockindeano wrote:
RossValoryRocks wrote:
Rockindeano wrote:
RedWingFan wrote:
Rockindeano wrote:
Barb wrote:
Rockindeano wrote:Will be tough to run attacks on a prisoner of war, McCain, however, this dumb bastard just got done saying we will stay in Iraq until the job gets done, even it if takes 100 years. You don't think Hillary and Obama have that packaged and ready to roll?

I prefer Romney be the nominee, because he is a sure defeat, but McCain has a shot, albeit a long one.


Do you really think Hillary or Obama are going to pull the troops out right away? I don't. I don't think they want the consequences of that on their hands.


Last week, they both, on record in debate, said all troops out in first year. I say, Thank you Mr or Madame President.

Game over.

Yeah, and when Bill Clinton ran in '92 he promised middle class tax cuts!!!! :lol: Never happened.


Didn't need em. The economy was so great, we all got taxed more and still had piles of money. You make more and more less sense daily.


You CANNOT tax a country into prosperity. CANNOT. CANNOT. CANNOT.


Well, He taxed, and we went into,...um...prosperity.


his increases are not what made the country prosperious.. the tech field did with new small business openning up daily... Clinton did not do this...No president
has made the ecoonmy grow by itself... we the people do. we the people also spend ourselfs to debt too. Bush is not the reason or Clinton was not the reason
WE are the reason for good times and bad times... REMEMBER ITS OUR MONEY....FIRST.

DEMS win white house if status quo is still the rage in OCTOBER. Deano, my thoughts are only thoughts not reality...




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Postby RossValoryRocks » Thu Jan 31, 2008 7:04 am

Rockindeano wrote:Military needed to be cut. it was way too big.

You all seem to forget the biggest boon economy ever was under Clinton's watch, or was that due to Bush 41's previous economic handling? LOL

here it comes.


The biggest Boom in the economy had to do witht he '94 republican congresss cutting taxes and WILD speculation on the part of people that caused the tech bubble which collapsed in recession in the spring of 2000, BEFORE Clinton left office.
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Postby mikemarrs » Thu Jan 31, 2008 7:06 am

who will win the democratic nomination...hillary or obama?
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