TOSHIBA JUST DROPPED HD DVD!

[Monker]

Early adopter is fine..I was saying I don't think story teller is the kind of guy that's going to part with $8000 let alone $4000..Also,the 1st ones aren't going to be big..Probably like 32" or something.. And I know about the bs contrast ratio's.. Some say 15,000 and its a gimmick.. Some that state 1500 are better than the ones that are 15,000.But my dad's Samsung LCD looks great,and blacks look black..

Why are you guys spoutting 10,000 - 15,000 contrast? The latest Samsung's are rated at 20,000+...at least that is how they are advertised.

[Monker]

With the exception of Panasonic in the plasma field, I agree with you, wholeheartedly! There is a reason a Pioneer plasma costs 3 times the price of a Vizio...It's looks at least 3 times better!

And, that Vizio pieces their units together with low cost components - so they can charge less.

[Monker]

Monker,,,, you're so stupid..... HD has been around since late 80's eh??? you crack me up dude!!!

And, you are a fucking idiot to call me out on something when I know what I am talking about:

http://www.cable360.net/technology/strategy/16804.html

The Super Bowl mishap wasn't MTVN's first experience with HD. It quietly tested HD in the early '90s. "We shot Unplugged in analog HD—with Aerosmith and Crosby, Stills, Nash & Young—back in 1992," he says. "We've been touching HD every few years since, including using it as a substitute for film on VH1 Storytellers." —Shirley Brady

Late 80's, 92, whatever - more then 10yrs.

[cscott]

I don't know if anybody else here works in the industry, (consumer electronics specifically A/V) but here's some info from an insider.

1.) Before the launch of either format, HD DVD and Blu-Ray, it was obvious to anyone who attended CES that the support for Blu-ray was far more visible than the support for HD DVD. Virtually every manufacturer of significance had Blu-ray signs at their booths and were showing prototypes and mock ups indicating their intent to support blu-ray. In other words, the war was lost before it began.

2.) I have seen Mitsubishi's laser TV prototypes going back almost 3 years ago when they showed a very rough, but working mock-up. The picture does look great, and the width of the color gamut is pretty amazing. At last year's private line show, they were estimating a retail price of about $100.00 per screen inch. I'm sure that will change by launch time to be more competitive.

3.) Sony never was really into the consumer plasma business. LG was the primary supplier and manufacturer of the Sony branded Plasmas. It finally reached a point that due to price compression and the fact that Sony was outsourcing thier panels, they could no longer be price competitive and had to choose to either build their own plasma factory or invest heavier in LCD production. They chose the latter and partnered with Samsung to invest in a LCD plant.

4.) LCD has come a long way due primarily to the fact that it has more support from more manufacturers, and yes, Plasma sales are rapidly declining. Some of the better LCDs can compete with plasma on contrast, they are usually brighter, don't have burn in issues, are available in 120 hz frame rate, and can be had in smaller sizes. My estimate is that Plasma will more or less be a dead technology in 3 years.

5.) Fujitsu exited the plasma category in late December. Pioneer cancelled plans to open a new plasma factory, LG shut on Plasma facility down.

6.) RPTV sales are down by almost 50% over last years numbers. Sony who held the number 2 spot cancelled their plans to continue in the category.

[Journey69]

I can tell you for a fact that HD TV's have absolutely NOT been around for more than 10 years in this country! In fact, it's been exactly 10 years. The first HD TV went on sale in the United States, to the public in 1998. Early analog HD TV's were available in Japan around 1992, so perhaps that's where you heard about the Aerosmith concert.

I did not say 'in the US'. In fact, I specifically said Japan. HD talk was around a lot longer then 10yrs. Maybe it was '92, whatever - it was longer then 10yrs, which was my point.

As for Tv's...if you really want BIG, then you are foolish to not have a projector. For what you pay for a 50 inch lcd/plasma, I have a 100 inch screen and projector.

There are definitely those who SWEAR by projectors and think the biggest screen you can buy is the best. I've never subscribed to that theory.

That is not what I am saying!

I'm saying the fools who want a 'big' 56 inch LCD/plasma could have spent the money on a good project and had a 100 inch screen - for the same price. I think it's a wast of money to buy a TV bigger then 50" - especially nowadays.

I use a 60 inch Pioneer plasma in my home theater and it's PLENTY big for any movie watching we do. As for the pricing difference...the reality is that there are MANY higher end projectors that are well over $10,000. I realize you can also purchase projectors for under $1,000.00, but those cheaper projectors are NEVER going to compete with the picture quality on a high end display, no matter how big the screen is!

How much is a 60inch PLASMA? For THAT price I am sure you CAN get the higher end projectors you talk about above.

Again, it depends on what satisfies you. I am perfectly happy with a $2000 projector...and I think it's a complete waste of money to buy a 60" plasma!

I agree 100%, which is why I NEVER wait for the next greatest technology. As I said before, you'll be waiting forever, if you're always waiting for the next best thing.

Well, you could always wait for the next greatest thing....that way the current greatest thing goes on sale so you don't have to spend as much

That's ridiculous...you have to have a projector in a dark room to see it..Otherwise there is too much light. A projector is not for everyone..I wouldn't want one,My 56" Samsung is good enough..

[Journey69]

Bigger is not always better. the resolution on the projector is not high enough..if a 56" tv has 1920x1080 resolution,you would actually need a resolution of like 5000x2500 on a screen that's 120 inches..Otherwise its going to look washed out..Also,your games look like shit on a projector..Totally washed out..I've played games on a projector..Not good!

[Behshad]

Monker,,,, you're so stupid..... HD has been around since late 80's eh??? you crack me up dude!!!

And, you are a fucking idiot to call me out on something when I know what I am talking about:

http://www.cable360.net/technology/strategy/16804.html

The Super Bowl mishap wasn't MTVN's first experience with HD. It quietly tested HD in the early '90s. "We shot Unplugged in analog HD—with Aerosmith and Crosby, Stills, Nash & Young—back in 1992," he says. "We've been touching HD every few years since, including using it as a substitute for film on VH1 Storytellers." —Shirley Brady

Late 80's, 92, whatever - more then 10yrs.

youre the fuckin idiot,,, instead of diggin old garbage and copying and pasting, stick to the reality kiddo,,,
if you just wanna go by what you read and the fake HD, its a different story,,,
define true HD ..... none of that shit was recorded in full 720p/1080i/1080P High Def.
If you think an improvement of pic quality is HD, then the transfer from black&white was a huge HD breakthough to your parents too.,...

Whats next? That the cd was actually invented and used in late 40s? Get a grip!

[brandonx76]

Good info CSCott - any trending data on DLP/Projection Tvs?

for what it is, I've been diggin my 72" Mitsubishi with a Ps3. (and the computer I am typing this message on).. it's only 1080i. Found that out after I connected my PS3 to it (at the time of purchase, I didn't have any devices that pushed 1080p). Apparently it was sold with the notion that 1080p was available by way of a custom upscale function. I think alot of tvs were sold like this, before true 1080 p was available..

[Enigma869]

Sony won the battle,,,, Anything they put their hands on, they succed in.

That's simply NOT true. It's one thing to be a Sony worshipper. It's another thing to be out of touch with reality. There isn't a single company who I've EVER come across who does EVERYTHING well, and Sony is not an exception to this rule. Their home audio receivers have ALWAYS sucked! Their car audio was always the shittiest stuff you could put into your car. Also, let's not forget how clueless they were in the evolution of the iPod! The portable music market is something Sony completely invented, with the advent of the Walkman in 1979. Someone at Sony was asleep at the switch, when they allowed Apple to render them completely irrelevant in the world they invented (i.e. the portable music player)! Sony has some decent products (mostly tv's and DVD players). They also have some really shitty stuff that I wouldn't take if it were given to me, free of charge!

back in 94 when they entered the videogame market, people didnt belive they would not only wipe out the leader at the time (Sega) of the market, but also take the lead with their Playstation,,,, followed by Playstation 2, PSP and now Playstation 3.

This is absolutely true! There weren't a lot of people who thought Sony had ANY shot of becoming a player (let alone the leader) in the video game market, because it's a market they had never delved into. I don't know the numbers, but I suspect that the original Playstation was probably (and still is) the most successful video game system ever launched! As for PS3...I suspect that the XBOX360 (and kudos to Microsoft for doing EXACTLY what Sony did in the world of video game systems) is probably well ahead of it, in terms of units sold. The XBOX360 launched ahead of the PS3 and at a more competitive price! In my opinion, Sony made a HUGE mistake by including a Blu-Ray DVD player in every PS3. They could have left it out, and been much more competitive with Microsoft, in the pricing wars!

Now wait and see the increase in sales of PS3/BluRay players , now that people know which way to go !

This isn't really saying much. Considering they're the soul survivor, of course their sales are going to increase. That's like saying if you took away every other soft drink in America and just left Pepsi, that Pepsi sales would increase! No shit Sherlock! I don't think their PS3 will see much of a bump in sales, because of Toshiba's decision to pull out of the HD DVD battle. The reality is that most video afficionados and movie buffs aren't purchasing a video game system to watch their movies on! I can honestly say that I've never watched one single movie on a video game system in my life, and I suspect that I'm not the only guy who is wired that way!


John from Boston

[Journey69]

Interesting.

First of all, I think it's foolish to buy the latest tech and pay inflated prices. Wait a year and things drop, sometimes dramatically. Like someone said, blu-ray started at around $1000. Those waited paid less then half of that.

HD has been around alot longer then 10yrs. The first I heard of it was when Aerosmith broadcast an HD concert - in Japan - in the late 80's.

As for Tv's...if you really want BIG, then you are foolish to not have a projector. For what you pay for a 50 inch lcd/plasma, I have a 100 inch screen and projector. I'll never be without one for movies and games.

As for 'laser TV'...I just bought a 46 inch Samsung lcd...a friend just buoght a 42 inch plasma.us We were comparing notes and I joked that in 10yrs we'll be buying TV wallpaper...just glue it to the wall and have everything sent to it wirelessly. There is always something better to wait for.

VIZIO - I look at them as a sorta generic brand. I believe they do not manufacture their own components as the major brands do. So, you end up with cheaper components inside. A lot of people are happy with Visio, but I have more confidence in Sony, Samsung, Sharp, etc.

You are out of your gord! My friend has a theater company..I go over to his house and watch movies..He has a theater in his basement,122" screen,7.1 surround sound..I told him his big screen did not look as good as my 56" Samsung,and he got mad at me..I said whatever,come over and watch a blu ray movie at my house.He came over and crapped himself..

Not my point. How much does the average 56" LCD cost? $4000? What a waste of money - when you could buy a good projector for half that. It's foolish.

I told him..when you have a screen that big,you need about twice the pixels to fill it.

Quite honestly 120" is probably too big, even for a projector.

If you really get down to it, most people can't notice a difference in 1080p and 720p in screen smaller then 50".

Also,games look like shit on a screen that big.

LOL...they look just fine on my PS2 and Wii! Split the screen 4 ways, for multi-player game, and you have a normal size screen!

And, I would never set up a gaming system on my LCD anyway....just cuz I don't wanna.

Bigger is not always better..

Spending twice as much for a 56" screen is foolish, and I would never do it.

Go to a movie theater and then watch that same movie on blu ray on a smaller screen..Its not even close.The smaller screen looks 10x better..!

Depends on how they are showing the movie. Most theaters no longer use film - but if they do - even HD does not equal that resolution.

I agree with most of your post.. They don't make a 56" LCD,at least I haven't seen one.. My DLP looks wonderful and it only cost me $1900 new! It has everything.. Looks as nice as my dad new Samsung 40" LCD 1080p.. Also,yes,playing xbox360 or wii will look ok on a projector..PC games look terrible on a project and big tv! They just aren't made for tv's.. Listen,unless the theaters are using blu ray it is NOT going to look as good.. I don't understand where you get that? What is your setup at home and don't bs me.. I will tell you mine next time you respond..

[Enigma869]

4.) LCD has come a long way due primarily to the fact that it has more support from more manufacturers, and yes, Plasma sales are rapidly declining. Some of the better LCDs can compete with plasma on contrast, they are usually brighter, don't have burn in issues, are available in 120 hz frame rate, and can be had in smaller sizes. My estimate is that Plasma will more or less be a dead technology in 3 years.

I absolutely agree with your premise that plasmas will eventually be phased out. That said, it comes down to price and screen size. As I said in an earlier post, if you want a plasma, the smallest screen size available to you in 42 inches. While a 42 inch screen is FAR too tiny for my taste, it's too large for many people. It still doesn't change my opinion that I think a plasma display offers a FAR superior picture to that of LCD (and yes, I'm even referring to the better LCD's on the market)! I have zero doubt that LCD's will (and MUST) improve. I refuse to move to LCD, until my eyeballs tell me that the picture finally matches that of what I see on my plasma displays! I have both a Sharp Aquos (which is considered to be one of the better LCD's on the market) and a Pioneer plasma, and there aren't words to describe just how much better the Pioneer plasma picture quality is! Again, it's simply not close, between the two technologies, as they exist today. I suspect that in the next two years, we'll see HUGE advancements in LCD picture quality, making it a viable choice for most people. Until such time, the inferior LCD displays will only be used by me, when I'm not really paying that much attention to what's being displayed on my TV!


John from Boston

[Journey69]

I agree with you on this one John...The Pioneer is superb! Here is an article..Its mainly directed at Behshad..The fool can read all about his Laser tv.. They said its going to be competitively priced around a 56" + plasma,which brand,Vizio or Pioneer.. Any new tech out of the gate is not $2000.. It will be closer to $5000-$10,000.. Hell,there are still some 58" plasma's and LCD's that are around $7000 I just saw one at best buy the other day.. Its going to be expensive..The Mitsu looks cool..I love the blue lights on the front.. Here's the link.. http://laser-tv.org/2008/mitsubishis-la ... /#comments

[Journey69]

Here's and interesting read.. Check this out Behshad.. Looks like the Sony Laser is having problems..

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=786642

[Monker]

Monker,,,, you're so stupid..... HD has been around since late 80's eh??? you crack me up dude!!!

And, you are a fucking idiot to call me out on something when I know what I am talking about:

http://www.cable360.net/technology/strategy/16804.html

The Super Bowl mishap wasn't MTVN's first experience with HD. It quietly tested HD in the early '90s. "We shot Unplugged in analog HD—with Aerosmith and Crosby, Stills, Nash & Young—back in 1992," he says. "We've been touching HD every few years since, including using it as a substitute for film on VH1 Storytellers." —Shirley Brady

Late 80's, 92, whatever - more then 10yrs.

youre the fuckin idiot,,, instead of diggin old garbage and copying and pasting, stick to the reality kiddo,,,
if you just wanna go by what you read and the fake HD, its a different story,,,
define true HD ..... none of that shit was recorded in full 720p/1080i/1080P High Def.
If you think an improvement of pic quality is HD, then the transfer from black&white was a huge HD breakthough to your parents too.,...

Whats next? That the cd was actually invented and used in late 40s? Get a grip!

Keep arguing. The first HD broadcast was the Soel Olympics in 1988....late 80's. I saw that when I looked up the Aerosmith thing.

The bottom line is that HD has been on the minds of people who actually pay attention for about 20yrs. THAT is my argument. Back then, the argument was that the US was falling WAY behind in technology...and HD was one example. Japan taking the lead, US companies like Zenith were tanking, etc...and they were correct.

The reality is that HD has been around a LOT longer then US consumers were able to purchase it. THAT is a fact. Get over it.

[Monker]

Bigger is not always better. the resolution on the projector is not high enough..if a 56" tv has 1920x1080 resolution,you would actually need a resolution of like 5000x2500 on a screen that's 120 inches..Otherwise its going to look washed out..Also,your games look like shit on a projector..Totally washed out..I've played games on a projector..Not good!

And, a Wii or PS2 is going to look 'washed out' on ANY 56" display. They are 480i, so what is your point?

Again, I would rather spend $2000 on a good projector then $3000+ on a 56" LCD/plasma.

Bigger may not always mean better. But, there are more things to consider then contrast and brightness. I would rather have the projector and $1000+ in pocket.

[Monker]

The XBOX360 launched ahead of the PS3 and at a more competitive price! In my opinion, Sony made a HUGE mistake by including a Blu-Ray DVD player in every PS3. They could have left it out, and been much more competitive with Microsoft, in the pricing wars!

Both the XBox 360 and Wii outsold the PS3. The PS3 was over priced and had few decent games. As the Wii proved - the games are what people play, not the pretty pics.

The PS3 is catching up....especially the past couple months. I would agree that the PS3 will pass the XBox simply because people are going to buy a PS3 instead of a dedicated Blu-ray...The same marketing helped the PS2 because it could play DVD's...I'll probably get one by the end of the year.

The reality is that most video afficionados and movie buffs aren't purchasing a video game system to watch their movies on!

True...but I think you are well underestimating the number of people who have waited for the HD battle to be over before buying a system...and gamers are going to be a large portion of that crowd. If they can kill birds with one player, they will.

[Eric]

At least I can pick up some HD-DVD's for DIRT cheap on ebay...

[Monker]

Listen,unless the theaters are using blu ray it is NOT going to look as good.. I don't understand where you get that?

This is simply NOT TRUE. If you take a movie that was shot in 35mm, or 70mm, or whatever, you are going to LOSE quality when you transfer it to DVD. You can't duplicate file.

[/quote]What is your setup at home and don't bs me.. I will tell you mine next time you respond..[/quote]

Had to look up what I had.

Panasonic PTL-600U projectorl...this about 4yrs old, I'd be looking at the 1000U today. Screen is a 100" DIY screen, black-out cloth stretched over a frame.

Pioneer 1017TXV receiver
Toshiba upconverting DVD player.
Front speakers - two KLH tower speakers.
Center, SR, SB, LR, RR, are Jenson speakers which I bought at Overstock.com for cheap
Sub is a 200watt Jensen sub, also from Overstock.com
Then I have the Wii and PS2 on it, and Dishnetwork will also be there, in standard def.

Upstairs I have the new 46" Samsung LN-T4661F LCD
Pioneer VSX-816 receiver
Pioneer DVD recorder
Pioneer speakers L, R, C, SL, SR...no BL, or BR.
No sub, yet.
Dishnetwork HD receiver coming tomorrow.

[Journey69]

I go to movies,they are big but not detailed..I don't care if its 35mm or what..F they upconvert dvd players..That's not 1080p bro! Hook a new Panasonic BD30K up to your LCD,go right to your projector and bet me the world that your projector looks better..I told you,my friend OWNS a theater company,we are always trying new shit..He came to my house and admitted that my tv looked better than any projector..And these are brand new projectors,latest and greatest! The detail just isn't there..I also,KNOW you haven't heard DTS master audio..Most people haven't.. Its incredible! I also read this stuff daily. Here's my system..

Samsung 56" 1080p DLP
Onkyo 805(decodes DD TrueHD,DTS Master Audio)
Panasonic BD30K(passes all new audio signals to Onkyo)
Paradigm speakers (fronts and rears)
Infinity (4 channel center)
Klipsch 12" sub
Comcast HD cable

[Monker]

Like I said, there are other things to consider.

Receiver - I'm not spending $1000 on a receiver which has DTS master audio when I don't even have a master audio signal to send to it! I don't have a problem with Dolby digital.

TV - I'm not spending $5000 on a TV - period. If I want a 'big TV', I'll buy a projector - which I did.

Blu-Ray - I was not going to invest ANYTHING until the HD-DVD fight was over. I'll wait until they come down to under $300 before I even buy a Blu-ray...I'll get a PS3 before a dedicated blu-ray player for $500.

Speakers - I need to invest in speakers, obvously...and I'll look around and consider everything before I jump on anything. I may even try to DIY some...I have thought about it anyway...I'd like to at least try a sub.

You are still not getting what I am saying about theaters. I said most theaters no longer use film. They use projectors. When theaters moved from film to digital projectors, they DROPPED IN QUALITY. I'll bet your friend has never shown film in his theaters.

You are also not reading that *I* have a Samsung 46" TV to compare things to. They serve two different purposes. If I want the 'detail' picture, as you call it, I'll watch it on the Samsung. If I want the 'theater' experience, I'll watch it on the projector.

I also know about upconverting DVD players....and they are honestly sometimes not even worth buying - since whatever you are displaying it on may 'upconvert' the signal anyway. In some ways, I think it's just a sales gimmick. The reason I wanted an upconverting DVD player is to keep the signal digital from DVD to projector, or TV...and I needed a new DVD player anyway THAT is probably the only reason to own one - not because you are getting a fake 1080p signal from it.

I go to movies,they are big but not detailed..I don't care if its 35mm or what..F they upconvert dvd players..That's not 1080p bro! Hook a new Panasonic BD30K up to your LCD,go right to your projector and bet me the world that your projector looks better..I told you,my friend OWNS a theater company,we are always trying new shit..He came to my house and admitted that my tv looked better than any projector..And these are brand new projectors,latest and greatest! The detail just isn't there..I also,KNOW you haven't heard DTS master audio..Most people haven't.. Its incredible! I also read this stuff daily. Here's my system..

Samsung 56" 1080p DLP
Onkyo 805(decodes DD TrueHD,DTS Master Audio)
Panasonic BD30K(passes all new audio signals to Onkyo)
Paradigm speakers (fronts and rears)
Infinity (4 channel center)
Klipsch 12" sub
Comcast HD cable

[Journey69]

Like I said, there are other things to consider.

Receiver - I'm not spending $1000 on a receiver which has DTS master audio when I don't even have a master audio signal to send to it! I don't have a problem with Dolby digital.

TV - I'm not spending $5000 on a TV - period. If I want a 'big TV', I'll buy a projector - which I did.

Blu-Ray - I was not going to invest ANYTHING until the HD-DVD fight was over. I'll wait until they come down to under $300 before I even buy a Blu-ray...I'll get a PS3 before a dedicated blu-ray player for $500.

Speakers - I need to invest in speakers, obvously...and I'll look around and consider everything before I jump on anything. I may even try to DIY some...I have thought about it anyway...I'd like to at least try a sub.

You are still not getting what I am saying about theaters. I said most theaters no longer use film. They use projectors. When theaters moved from film to digital projectors, they DROPPED IN QUALITY. I'll bet your friend has never shown film in his theaters.

You are also not reading that *I* have a Samsung 46" TV to compare things to. They serve two different purposes. If I want the 'detail' picture, as you call it, I'll watch it on the Samsung. If I want the 'theater' experience, I'll watch it on the projector.

I also know about upconverting DVD players....and they are honestly sometimes not even worth buying - since whatever you are displaying it on may 'upconvert' the signal anyway. In some ways, I think it's just a sales gimmick. The reason I wanted an upconverting DVD player is to keep the signal digital from DVD to projector, or TV...and I needed a new DVD player anyway THAT is probably the only reason to own one - not because you are getting a fake 1080p signal from it.

I go to movies,they are big but not detailed..I don't care if its 35mm or what..F they upconvert dvd players..That's not 1080p bro! Hook a new Panasonic BD30K up to your LCD,go right to your projector and bet me the world that your projector looks better..I told you,my friend OWNS a theater company,we are always trying new shit..He came to my house and admitted that my tv looked better than any projector..And these are brand new projectors,latest and greatest! The detail just isn't there..I also,KNOW you haven't heard DTS master audio..Most people haven't.. Its incredible! I also read this stuff daily. Here's my system..

Samsung 56" 1080p DLP
Onkyo 805(decodes DD TrueHD,DTS Master Audio)
Panasonic BD30K(passes all new audio signals to Onkyo)
Paradigm speakers (fronts and rears)
Infinity (4 channel center)
Klipsch 12" sub
Comcast HD cable

What,are you like 17? Who said my tv was $5000? It was $1950 new,price matched at BestBuy. 1st of all,theaters had film forever..I think I might have seen it..2nd,how is it better than digital? Film is and always will be grainy..They can take a master of the film and make it better than 1080p..They just don't have anything to transfer it to right now that is capable of doing it..My tv is a true 1080p tv,my parents Sony upconverts to 1080p. If you use a projector you have to have a very dark room,which I don't have.My theater friend was trying to get me to get buy a projector at wholesale price from him..I don't want one..Even if I had a dark room I don't want one..I see that you have a 46" LCD.. Is it 720p? even if it was 1080p you probably wouldn't see the difference,the screen is too small.. Yes,if you want the theater experience the projector is the way to go.. I'm just not a big fan of them.. Why have a projector and a garbage system to go with it..Kind of defeats the purpose doesn't it?

[Behshad]

I agree with you on this one John...The Pioneer is superb! Here is an article..Its mainly directed at Behshad..The fool can read all about his Laser tv.. They said its going to be competitively priced around a 56" + plasma,which brand,Vizio or Pioneer.. Any new tech out of the gate is not $2000.. It will be closer to $5000-$10,000.. Hell,there are still some 58" plasma's and LCD's that are around $7000 I just saw one at best buy the other day.. Its going to be expensive..The Mitsu looks cool..I love the blue lights on the front.. Here's the link.. http://laser-tv.org/2008/mitsubishis-la ... /#comments

Listen , once and for all,
If you gonna put a link up, then dont change the numbers when youre quoting it.
It said the laser TV is gonna be priced compettively to 52"+ plasma. not 56". When they say competitvely, they dont mean DOUBLE the price. You can buy a 52" plasma/LCD for around $1900 and up (and this is NOW,, I bet you by end of the year when laser TV comes out, you can find a 56" plasma/lcd for $2000 ) . So your article just proves once more , what a fool YOU are.

My point is, if they were to bring a 52" laser tv for $4000 end of the year , no one would buy them. They HAVE to price it competively,meaning around the same or less of the the competition.

[yulog]

I've seen a 50 inch plasma at costco for 1200 and thats been the same for approx 3 months