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Postby donnaplease » Sun Feb 24, 2008 12:27 am

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Excellent post, Sherrie. 8)


I give you, "Pete n Repeat."

Nothin to offer, never. Just fuckin stupid and dense.


How original of you. I'll tell you once and for all, FUCK OFF LOSER. If you so choose, I can OFFER all kinds of interesting stuff that might just make some folks' heads spin. It will make your so-called 'real hurt' look like a paper cut.
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Postby Saint John » Sun Feb 24, 2008 12:33 am

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marco17 wrote:IThe one thing I did notice beyond Arnel was that Cain didn't look like a happy camper. He had that same look he had during the short JSS tenure, like he's thinking, "I'm not sure about this." But, he certainly didn't look too excited to be out there pumping out the Journey tunes.



I noticed that too. And it's funny - when I saw them with JSS Cain looked really energized and into it.

Anyway, it's always been obvious that of all the members of Journey Cain feels the absence of Perry the most strongly. And I reckon he knows just how badly he and Journey have sold out ...whereas Schon is lost in some adolescent dream world half the time and the others are just grateful for a well-paid gig.

I bet that there's not a day that goes by when Cain doesn't feel pissed off and offended that Perry hasn't rung him up to resume one of the greatest song-writing partnerships the world has ever seen. But he won't accept reality or let go of the past. The greed and pride kicked in instead. And that's why he looks so uncomfortable most of the time. Well, that's my take on it anyway...

Plus he's 57 years old and has been playing those same songs for a quarter of a century. You'd have to be a total moron not to be bored stiff with it all.


This is a good post, Matthew. Aside form the fact that I think that Perry is 90% responsible for the systematic destruction of Journey over a 20 year period through ego, lies, manipulation and control, I agree with your assessment of what Jon Cain is probably thinking and what Neal and the others basically aren't. What the cult-like bashers fail to realize though, is that NONE of that is Arnel's fault. He's just a guy living out a dream.
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Postby YoungJRNY » Sun Feb 24, 2008 12:38 am

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Wally_Hatchet wrote:I have come to the conclusion that Journey has made a huge mistake in hiring him.

He consistently sang out of key, he was really straining in his (unsuccessful) attempts to hit the right notes, and the oriental accent is very noticeable.

Arnel is nowhere near the talent level of JSS or Steve Augeri, and Journey sounds nothing like Journey anymore.


"Oriental accent" ???? That's fucking ridiculous.

Arnel sang flat a few times during the songs I watched clips of. So crucify the guy. Jesus...

Besides, the fact that he pulled his in-ear monitor just MIGHT indicate he was having a problem with it...not that that would matter to all the musically-challenged dorks who are pronouncing him a failure after his first show.

Other than the occasional pitch issue, your post is a massive, steaming, stench-riddled pile of championship-level bullshit.

But of course, everyone's entitled to their opinion...

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Wow, Roxx.. I couldn't agree with you more. I can't believe the negative reaction to this first performance. I was a little late in watching the you tube videos. From what was hearing, I thought he would be up there for 2 hours, farting in the mic. I was waiting all day to view them. Lets get one thing straight. Ok..it's not Steve Perry. Lets get over that. We get it. Ok, now that that's done...

I am very impressed! People questioned his stage presence and the way he was going to handle himself on stage. Man, did he look fun. He was all over the place, and to top it off...sorry people, he doesn't sound like Perry. It's a different sound that does justice to the sound of Journey. It's really awesome to see, and in my opinion, gave the band new life. I don't know, it gave me magic.

Of course, some people won't be happy, that's the nature. With that said...for me...

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Postby conversationpc » Sun Feb 24, 2008 12:50 am

ohsherrie wrote:It's Neal and Steve sitting in a hotel room together when they first met writing Patiently.


Wasn't it at Neal's apartment?

It's that amazing soprano sound during the guitar solos in WITS that a lot of people assumed was electronically produced.


I don't think I've ever heard anyone say that.

It's knowing you're in for a good few minutes when you hear the bluesy sound of the original LTS coming through the speakers or earphones.


I can't stand the studio version of that tune. Tons better in concert.

It's the sound of "Hear we stand" and "Highway run" beginning Separate Ways and Faithfully that can't be replicated by any other voice.


I think you mean "Here" we stand.

It's hearing When You Love A Woman or Message of Love on the radio and being so grateful that they came together one more time to give you more of their magic.


While good songs, the magic just wasn't quite there for them.
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Postby ohsherrie » Sun Feb 24, 2008 1:31 am

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ohsherrie wrote:It's Neal and Steve sitting in a hotel room together when they first met writing Patiently.


Wasn't it at Neal's apartment?


No.

It's that amazing soprano sound during the guitar solos in WITS that a lot of people assumed was electronically produced.


I don't think I've ever heard anyone say that.


Obviously, I have.

It's knowing you're in for a good few minutes when you hear the bluesy sound of the original LTS coming through the speakers or earphones.


I can't stand the studio version of that tune. Tons better in concert.


My favorite version is on the GHL, but that's not the one I heard or the radio at the time.

It's the sound of "Hear we stand" and "Highway run" beginning Separate Ways and Faithfully that can't be replicated by any other voice.


I think you mean "Here" we stand.


Yes, oh great nitpicking subject deflector. :P

It's hearing When You Love A Woman or Message of Love on the radio and being so grateful that they came together one more time to give you more of their magic.


While good songs, the magic just wasn't quite there for them.


You have your opinion, I have mine, and we don't agree. Imagine that. :shock:
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Postby ohsherrie » Sun Feb 24, 2008 1:33 am

Rockindeano wrote:
donnaplease wrote:
Excellent post, Sherrie. 8)


I give you, "Pete n Repeat."

Nothin to offer, never. Just fuckin stupid and dense.


Thank you Donna.

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Postby Lula » Sun Feb 24, 2008 2:18 am

Matthew wrote:...and yet you think it's GAY to admire the guy who wrote most of the band's songs.


co-wrote. yes, faithfully is a solo writing credit, but lets not discount the many songs on the first 3, infinity, evolution, and departure that have gregg rolie listed on the credits. i think jon cain is a wonderful songwriter, but he in no way is responsible for the hits on his own..... journey is a band with several writers.
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Postby Perrydise » Sun Feb 24, 2008 2:20 am

Lula wrote:
Matthew wrote:...and yet you think it's GAY to admire the guy who wrote most of the band's songs.


co-wrote. yes, faithfully is a solo writing credit, but lets not discount the many songs on the first 3, infinity, evolution, and departure that have gregg rolie listed on the credits. i think jon cain is a wonderful songwriter, but he in no way is responsible for the hits on his own..... journey is a band with several writers.


Very very true.

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Postby treetopovskaya » Sun Feb 24, 2008 3:04 am

best of the night for me. arnel really shines here. }:C)

good job! }=C))

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Postby treetopovskaya » Sun Feb 24, 2008 3:13 am

the audience looks so happy. can't help but get goosebumps. }:C)
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Postby T-TIME » Sun Feb 24, 2008 3:25 am

YoungJRNY wrote:
johnroxx wrote:
Wally_Hatchet wrote:I have come to the conclusion that Journey has made a huge mistake in hiring him.

He consistently sang out of key, he was really straining in his (unsuccessful) attempts to hit the right notes, and the oriental accent is very noticeable.

Arnel is nowhere near the talent level of JSS or Steve Augeri, and Journey sounds nothing like Journey anymore.


"Oriental accent" ???? That's fucking ridiculous.

Arnel sang flat a few times during the songs I watched clips of. So crucify the guy. Jesus...

Besides, the fact that he pulled his in-ear monitor just MIGHT indicate he was having a problem with it...not that that would matter to all the musically-challenged dorks who are pronouncing him a failure after his first show.

Other than the occasional pitch issue, your post is a massive, steaming, stench-riddled pile of championship-level bullshit.

But of course, everyone's entitled to their opinion...

;^)


Wow, Roxx.. I couldn't agree with you more. I can't believe the negative reaction to this first performance. I was a little late in watching the you tube videos. From what was hearing, I thought he would be up there for 2 hours, farting in the mic. I was waiting all day to view them. Lets get one thing straight. Ok..it's not Steve Perry. Lets get over that. We get it. Ok, now that that's done...

I am very impressed! People questioned his stage presence and the way he was going to handle himself on stage. Man, did he look fun. He was all over the place, and to top it off...sorry people, he doesn't sound like Perry. It's a different sound that does justice to the sound of Journey. It's really awesome to see, and in my opinion, gave the band new life. I don't know, it gave me magic.

Of course, some people won't be happy, that's the nature. With that said...for me...

BRING ON VEGAS BABY.


This has nothing to do with comparing anybody or just being negative. It boils down to was he good that night? And the answer is huge no. Lets get something straight. This guy was brought in BECAUSE he was suppose to sound like Perry. Journey was the ones comparing. Those are the songs he sings night after night not 3 of them in a set mixed with Heart, Survivor, Etc...... . I'm pulling for him also but call a spade a spade he choked that night. Even if Journey goes multi platinum on the next disc, those will still be the songs on the set list.
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Postby Rockindeano » Sun Feb 24, 2008 3:32 am

donnaplease wrote:
Rockindeano wrote:
donnaplease wrote:
Excellent post, Sherrie. 8)


I give you, "Pete n Repeat."

Nothin to offer, never. Just fuckin stupid and dense.


How original of you. I'll tell you once and for all, FUCK OFF LOSER. If you so choose, I can OFFER all kinds of interesting stuff that might just make some folks' heads spin. It will make your so-called 'real hurt' look like a paper cut.


Haha. Funny that you think I was talking about you. Really, I don't give two shits about you.
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Postby Aaron » Sun Feb 24, 2008 3:33 am

I've listened to the clips over the last couple of days from Chile and came up with the following conclusions:

1. Schon is a giant on stage now
2. With the exception of Castro, the band was in plonker cruise mode
3. Arnel had a noticeable accent
4. The lyrics were butchered on several occasions
5. Not every FUCKING note is vibrato
6. Arnel was singing off key on several occasions
7. Friga is still gay
8. The vocal performance was lifeless
9. The band now sounds more like Journey but there is zero vibe

It's his first gig so it should get better as time goes on. However, this guy was announced in Dec giving him 2 months to prepare. I would have thought at least the damn lyrics would have been learned properly now. I'm sure he'll get better as time goes on. However, I wouldn't expect a huge improvement. He's 90% of where he'll get to if I was a betting man. I hear all of the folks talking about it's his first gig, etc. This guy is not new to the music scene or to live performances, he's been doing live shows for what, 20 years? That has to be worth something, it's not like he's fresh out of the factory for fucks' sake. There's a local band here in Indiana I've seen several times over the last 4 years. I've seen them about 10 times and I'm yet to hear their singer miss a note live. The dude is not that good ...
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About that first time...

Postby ttango1 » Sun Feb 24, 2008 3:35 am

All the bitchin and moanin about the 1st time is unreal. Hey, when you first got your cherry popped, where you good at it? You might have had moments of despair, you might have had some mistakes, but at the end of it, you came away feeling that wasn't so bad and that you could get better.

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Postby ProgRocker53 » Sun Feb 24, 2008 3:37 am

Aaron wrote:I've listened to the clips over the last couple of days from Chile and came up with the following conclusions:

1. Schon is a giant on stage now
2. With the exception of Castro, the band was in plonker cruise mode
3. Arnel had a noticeable accent
4. The lyrics were butchered on several occasions
5. Not every FUCKING note is vibrato
6. Arnel was singing off key on several occasions
7. Friga is still gay
8. The vocal performance was lifeless
9. The band now sounds more like Journey but there is zero vibe

It's his first gig so it should get better as time goes on. However, this guy was announced in Dec giving him 2 months to prepare. I would have thought at least the damn lyrics would have been learned properly now. I'm sure he'll get better as time goes on. However, I wouldn't expect a huge improvement. He's 90% of where he'll get to if I was a betting man. I hear all of the folks talking about it's his first gig, etc. This guy is not new to the music scene or to live performances, he's been doing live shows for what, 20 years? That has to be worth something, it's not like he's fresh out of the factory for fucks' sake. There's a local band here in Indiana I've seen several times over the last 4 years. I've seen them about 10 times and I'm yet to hear their singer miss a note live. The dude is not that good ...


Something tells me that if you listened to the local dude on a grainy boot or lo-quality Youtube video, he wouldn't sound note-perfect. Not saying he's not good or anything, but people seem to base way too much on these things and not enough on what it's like when they're actually at the concert.
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Postby T-TIME » Sun Feb 24, 2008 3:41 am

Aaron wrote:I've listened to the clips over the last couple of days from Chile and came up with the following conclusions:

1. Schon is a giant on stage now
2. With the exception of Castro, the band was in plonker cruise mode
3. Arnel had a noticeable accent
4. The lyrics were butchered on several occasions
5. Not every FUCKING note is vibrato
6. Arnel was singing off key on several occasions
7. Friga is still gay
8. The vocal performance was lifeless
9. The band now sounds more like Journey but there is zero vibe

It's his first gig so it should get better as time goes on. However, this guy was announced in Dec giving him 2 months to prepare. I would have thought at least the damn lyrics would have been learned properly now. I'm sure he'll get better as time goes on. However, I wouldn't expect a huge improvement. He's 90% of where he'll get to if I was a betting man. I hear all of the folks talking about it's his first gig, etc. This guy is not new to the music scene or to live performances, he's been doing live shows for what, 20 years? That has to be worth something, it's not like he's fresh out of the factory for fucks' sake. There's a local band here in Indiana I've seen several times over the last 4 years. I've seen them about 10 times and I'm yet to hear their singer miss a note live. The dude is not that good ...


Aaron, I know my opinion does not matter but that is DEAD FUCKING ON. Vibrato, vibrato, vibrato. Intelligent top 10. You put in to words what I was thinking.
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Postby Aaron » Sun Feb 24, 2008 3:43 am

These were the Youtube clips that I watched. The audio and video quality was above average. I agree with what you're saying though and I will give them a fair shot live. However, I heard several boots and Youtube clips of JSS and wasn't impressed. I seen them live in Indy and still wasn't impressed ...

Rock on bro,

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Aaron wrote:I've listened to the clips over the last couple of days from Chile and came up with the following conclusions:

1. Schon is a giant on stage now
2. With the exception of Castro, the band was in plonker cruise mode
3. Arnel had a noticeable accent
4. The lyrics were butchered on several occasions
5. Not every FUCKING note is vibrato
6. Arnel was singing off key on several occasions
7. Friga is still gay
8. The vocal performance was lifeless
9. The band now sounds more like Journey but there is zero vibe

It's his first gig so it should get better as time goes on. However, this guy was announced in Dec giving him 2 months to prepare. I would have thought at least the damn lyrics would have been learned properly now. I'm sure he'll get better as time goes on. However, I wouldn't expect a huge improvement. He's 90% of where he'll get to if I was a betting man. I hear all of the folks talking about it's his first gig, etc. This guy is not new to the music scene or to live performances, he's been doing live shows for what, 20 years? That has to be worth something, it's not like he's fresh out of the factory for fucks' sake. There's a local band here in Indiana I've seen several times over the last 4 years. I've seen them about 10 times and I'm yet to hear their singer miss a note live. The dude is not that good ...


Something tells me that if you listened to the local dude on a grainy boot or lo-quality Youtube video, he wouldn't sound note-perfect. Not saying he's not good or anything, but people seem to base way too much on these things and not enough on what it's like when they're actually at the concert.
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Postby Greg » Sun Feb 24, 2008 3:44 am

ProgRocker53 wrote:
Aaron wrote:I've listened to the clips over the last couple of days from Chile and came up with the following conclusions:

1. Schon is a giant on stage now
2. With the exception of Castro, the band was in plonker cruise mode
3. Arnel had a noticeable accent
4. The lyrics were butchered on several occasions
5. Not every FUCKING note is vibrato
6. Arnel was singing off key on several occasions
7. Friga is still gay
8. The vocal performance was lifeless
9. The band now sounds more like Journey but there is zero vibe

It's his first gig so it should get better as time goes on. However, this guy was announced in Dec giving him 2 months to prepare. I would have thought at least the damn lyrics would have been learned properly now. I'm sure he'll get better as time goes on. However, I wouldn't expect a huge improvement. He's 90% of where he'll get to if I was a betting man. I hear all of the folks talking about it's his first gig, etc. This guy is not new to the music scene or to live performances, he's been doing live shows for what, 20 years? That has to be worth something, it's not like he's fresh out of the factory for fucks' sake. There's a local band here in Indiana I've seen several times over the last 4 years. I've seen them about 10 times and I'm yet to hear their singer miss a note live. The dude is not that good ...


Something tells me that if you listened to the local dude on a grainy boot or lo-quality Youtube video, he wouldn't sound note-perfect. Not saying he's not good or anything, but people seem to base way too much on these things and not enough on what it's like when they're actually at the concert.


But wait! Low quality you tube audio was good enough for Neal Schon to make him Journey's next lead singer. Why can't people be able judge him on the same premise that got him the job in the first place?
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Postby ProgRocker53 » Sun Feb 24, 2008 3:46 am

Aaron wrote:These were the Youtube clips that I watched. The audio and video quality was above average. I agree with what you're saying though and I will give them a fair shot live. However, I heard several boots and Youtube clips of JSS and wasn't impressed. I seen them live in Indy and still wasn't impressed


I'm not surprised that the boots and clips didn't impress you, they were fairly lackluster to myself as well.

However, I'm kinda surprised you weren't impressed by the live show. Either JSS's voice better translates in a live arena setting than on boots, or I was just caught up in the live show experience, but the couple times I saw JSS with Journey, he absolutely destroyed. Great shows.
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Postby Wally_Hatchet » Sun Feb 24, 2008 3:47 am

johnroxx wrote:
Wally_Hatchet wrote:I have come to the conclusion that Journey has made a huge mistake in hiring him.

He consistently sang out of key, he was really straining in his (unsuccessful) attempts to hit the right notes, and the oriental accent is very noticeable.

Arnel is nowhere near the talent level of JSS or Steve Augeri, and Journey sounds nothing like Journey anymore.


"Oriental accent" ???? That's fucking ridiculous.
USING ONLY THE FIRST VERSE AND BRIDGE FROM "SEPARATE WAYS" AS AN EXAMPLE, IF YOU DON'T HEAR HIS ORIENTAL ACCENT, THEN YOU DON'T WANT TO HEAR IT. I HAVE EARS, IT'S THERE.

Arnel sang flat a few times during the songs I watched clips of. So crucify the guy. Jesus...
I LISTENED TO THE AUDIO, AND AGAIN, SEVERAL TIMES ON SEPARATE WAYS HE WAS OFF KEY. ON STONE IN LOVE IT WAS WORSE, AND HE STRUGGLED AND STRAINED TO HIT THE NOTES. HIS VOICE WILL BE TOAST IN NO TIME.

Besides, the fact that he pulled his in-ear monitor just MIGHT indicate he was having a problem with it...not that that would matter to all the musically-challenged dorks who are pronouncing him a failure after his first show.
MUSICALLY CHALLENGED DORK OR NOT, FROM WHAT I HEARD, I FFEL THE BAND MADE A MISTAKE.

Other than the occasional pitch issue, your post is a massive, steaming, stench-riddled pile of championship-level bullshit.
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Postby ProgRocker53 » Sun Feb 24, 2008 3:47 am

Greg wrote:
ProgRocker53 wrote:
Aaron wrote:I've listened to the clips over the last couple of days from Chile and came up with the following conclusions:

1. Schon is a giant on stage now
2. With the exception of Castro, the band was in plonker cruise mode
3. Arnel had a noticeable accent
4. The lyrics were butchered on several occasions
5. Not every FUCKING note is vibrato
6. Arnel was singing off key on several occasions
7. Friga is still gay
8. The vocal performance was lifeless
9. The band now sounds more like Journey but there is zero vibe

It's his first gig so it should get better as time goes on. However, this guy was announced in Dec giving him 2 months to prepare. I would have thought at least the damn lyrics would have been learned properly now. I'm sure he'll get better as time goes on. However, I wouldn't expect a huge improvement. He's 90% of where he'll get to if I was a betting man. I hear all of the folks talking about it's his first gig, etc. This guy is not new to the music scene or to live performances, he's been doing live shows for what, 20 years? That has to be worth something, it's not like he's fresh out of the factory for fucks' sake. There's a local band here in Indiana I've seen several times over the last 4 years. I've seen them about 10 times and I'm yet to hear their singer miss a note live. The dude is not that good ...


Something tells me that if you listened to the local dude on a grainy boot or lo-quality Youtube video, he wouldn't sound note-perfect. Not saying he's not good or anything, but people seem to base way too much on these things and not enough on what it's like when they're actually at the concert.


But wait! Low quality you tube audio was good enough for Neal Schon to make him Journey's next lead singer. Why can't people be able judge him on the same premise that got him the job in the first place?


Sometimes I forget that Arnel was found on the 'Tube. Haha good point my man.
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Postby stevew2 » Sun Feb 24, 2008 3:49 am

Matthew wrote:
marco17 wrote:IThe one thing I did notice beyond Arnel was that Cain didn't look like a happy camper. He had that same look he had during the short JSS tenure, like he's thinking, "I'm not sure about this." But, he certainly didn't look too excited to be out there pumping out the Journey tunes.



I noticed that too. And it's funny - when I saw them with JSS Cain looked really energized and into it.

Anyway, it's always been obvious that of all the members of Journey Cain feels the absence of Perry the most strongly. And I reckon he knows just how badly he and Journey have sold out ...whereas Schon is lost in some adolescent dream world half the time and the others are just grateful for a well-paid gig.

I bet that there's not a day that goes by when Cain doesn't feel pissed off and offended that Perry hasn't rung him up to resume one of the greatest song-writing partnerships the world has ever seen. But he won't accept reality or let go of the past. The greed and pride kicked in instead. And that's why he looks so uncomfortable most of the time. Well, that's my take on it anyway...

Plus he's 57 years old and has been playing those same songs for a quarter of a century. You'd have to be a total moron not to be bored stiff with it all.
I agree with your post,He looked embarrassed to be there {as he should be}. He should at least look like he is having a good time.Shit he could be playing piano in a smokey bar like ill be tonight. I ll have a better time then he did.He is gay
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Postby ProgRocker53 » Sun Feb 24, 2008 3:51 am

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Matthew wrote:
marco17 wrote:IThe one thing I did notice beyond Arnel was that Cain didn't look like a happy camper. He had that same look he had during the short JSS tenure, like he's thinking, "I'm not sure about this." But, he certainly didn't look too excited to be out there pumping out the Journey tunes.



I noticed that too. And it's funny - when I saw them with JSS Cain looked really energized and into it.

Anyway, it's always been obvious that of all the members of Journey Cain feels the absence of Perry the most strongly. And I reckon he knows just how badly he and Journey have sold out ...whereas Schon is lost in some adolescent dream world half the time and the others are just grateful for a well-paid gig.

I bet that there's not a day that goes by when Cain doesn't feel pissed off and offended that Perry hasn't rung him up to resume one of the greatest song-writing partnerships the world has ever seen. But he won't accept reality or let go of the past. The greed and pride kicked in instead. And that's why he looks so uncomfortable most of the time. Well, that's my take on it anyway...

Plus he's 57 years old and has been playing those same songs for a quarter of a century. You'd have to be a total moron not to be bored stiff with it all.
I agree with your post,He looked embarrassed to be there {as he should be}. He should at least look like he is having a good time.Shit he could be playing piano in a smokey bar like ill be tonight. I ll have a better time then he did.He is gay


Haha, I bet Gregg Rolie wouldn't be such a diva. I wish that guy was still in the band, far too often for my own good.
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Postby Aaron » Sun Feb 24, 2008 3:52 am

Wow, tou-fuckin-ché bro ...


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Aaron wrote:I've listened to the clips over the last couple of days from Chile and came up with the following conclusions:

1. Schon is a giant on stage now
2. With the exception of Castro, the band was in plonker cruise mode
3. Arnel had a noticeable accent
4. The lyrics were butchered on several occasions
5. Not every FUCKING note is vibrato
6. Arnel was singing off key on several occasions
7. Friga is still gay
8. The vocal performance was lifeless
9. The band now sounds more like Journey but there is zero vibe

It's his first gig so it should get better as time goes on. However, this guy was announced in Dec giving him 2 months to prepare. I would have thought at least the damn lyrics would have been learned properly now. I'm sure he'll get better as time goes on. However, I wouldn't expect a huge improvement. He's 90% of where he'll get to if I was a betting man. I hear all of the folks talking about it's his first gig, etc. This guy is not new to the music scene or to live performances, he's been doing live shows for what, 20 years? That has to be worth something, it's not like he's fresh out of the factory for fucks' sake. There's a local band here in Indiana I've seen several times over the last 4 years. I've seen them about 10 times and I'm yet to hear their singer miss a note live. The dude is not that good ...


Something tells me that if you listened to the local dude on a grainy boot or lo-quality Youtube video, he wouldn't sound note-perfect. Not saying he's not good or anything, but people seem to base way too much on these things and not enough on what it's like when they're actually at the concert.


But wait! Low quality you tube audio was good enough for Neal Schon to make him Journey's next lead singer. Why can't people be able judge him on the same premise that got him the job in the first place?
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Postby Aaron » Sun Feb 24, 2008 3:56 am

Don't put too much into my read of the JSS boots. Jeff is one of the best front man I've seen. He has great energy on stage for sure. I just struggled with his voice fitting the band which is what is most important to me. JSS is FUCK LOADS better than Arnel from what I've seen thus far.

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Aaron wrote:These were the Youtube clips that I watched. The audio and video quality was above average. I agree with what you're saying though and I will give them a fair shot live. However, I heard several boots and Youtube clips of JSS and wasn't impressed. I seen them live in Indy and still wasn't impressed


I'm not surprised that the boots and clips didn't impress you, they were fairly lackluster to myself as well.

However, I'm kinda surprised you weren't impressed by the live show. Either JSS's voice better translates in a live arena setting than on boots, or I was just caught up in the live show experience, but the couple times I saw JSS with Journey, he absolutely destroyed. Great shows.
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Postby stevew2 » Sun Feb 24, 2008 3:57 am

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marco17 wrote:IThe one thing I did notice beyond Arnel was that Cain didn't look like a happy camper. He had that same look he had during the short JSS tenure, like he's thinking, "I'm not sure about this." But, he certainly didn't look too excited to be out there pumping out the Journey tunes.



I noticed that too. And it's funny - when I saw them with JSS Cain looked really energized and into it.

Anyway, it's always been obvious that of all the members of Journey Cain feels the absence of Perry the most strongly. And I reckon he knows just how badly he and Journey have sold out ...whereas Schon is lost in some adolescent dream world half the time and the others are just grateful for a well-paid gig.

I bet that there's not a day that goes by when Cain doesn't feel pissed off and offended that Perry hasn't rung him up to resume one of the greatest song-writing partnerships the world has ever seen. But he won't accept reality or let go of the past. The greed and pride kicked in instead. And that's why he looks so uncomfortable most of the time. Well, that's my take on it anyway...

Plus he's 57 years old and has been playing those same songs for a quarter of a century. You'd have to be a total moron not to be bored stiff with it all.
I agree with your post,He looked embarrassed to be there {as he should be}. He should at least look like he is having a good time.Shit he could be playing piano in a smokey bar like ill be tonight. I ll have a better time then he did.He is gay


Haha, I bet Gregg Rolie wouldn't be such a diva. I wish that guy was still in the band, far too often for my own good.
I like the shit out of Greg, he is the master of the Hammond organ.He s got balls Cain didnt even work up a new solo for this tour.I guess he is sticking to the "legacy "solos" .The same one he has been doing the last three years.
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Postby T-TIME » Sun Feb 24, 2008 4:00 am

Aaron wrote:Don't put too much into my read of the JSS boots. Jeff is one of the best front man I've seen. He has great energy on stage for sure. I just struggled with his voice fitting the band which is what is most important to me. JSS is FUCK LOADS better than Arnel from what I've seen thus far.

ProgRocker53 wrote:
Aaron wrote:These were the Youtube clips that I watched. The audio and video quality was above average. I agree with what you're saying though and I will give them a fair shot live. However, I heard several boots and Youtube clips of JSS and wasn't impressed. I seen them live in Indy and still wasn't impressed


I'm not surprised that the boots and clips didn't impress you, they were fairly lackluster to myself as well.

However, I'm kinda surprised you weren't impressed by the live show. Either JSS's voice better translates in a live arena setting than on boots, or I was just caught up in the live show experience, but the couple times I saw JSS with Journey, he absolutely destroyed. Great shows.


Holy Fucking Shit Batman! I just told my brother (youngjourney) the same thing. I was excited about JSS for the future of Journey but very critical of the GH'S. I'm probably making too much out of the first show but it just crushed me after hearing that.
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Postby treetopovskaya » Sun Feb 24, 2008 4:04 am

arnel is not a rug. just saying. }:C)

i think the word you're looking for is asian.

Wally_Hatchet wrote:
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Wally_Hatchet wrote:I have come to the conclusion that Journey has made a huge mistake in hiring him.

He consistently sang out of key, he was really straining in his (unsuccessful) attempts to hit the right notes, and the oriental accent is very noticeable.

Arnel is nowhere near the talent level of JSS or Steve Augeri, and Journey sounds nothing like Journey anymore.


"Oriental accent" ???? That's fucking ridiculous.
USING ONLY THE FIRST VERSE AND BRIDGE FROM "SEPARATE WAYS" AS AN EXAMPLE, IF YOU DON'T HEAR HIS ORIENTAL ACCENT, THEN YOU DON'T WANT TO HEAR IT. I HAVE EARS, IT'S THERE.

Arnel sang flat a few times during the songs I watched clips of. So crucify the guy. Jesus...
I LISTENED TO THE AUDIO, AND AGAIN, SEVERAL TIMES ON SEPARATE WAYS HE WAS OFF KEY. ON STONE IN LOVE IT WAS WORSE, AND HE STRUGGLED AND STRAINED TO HIT THE NOTES. HIS VOICE WILL BE TOAST IN NO TIME.

Besides, the fact that he pulled his in-ear monitor just MIGHT indicate he was having a problem with it...not that that would matter to all the musically-challenged dorks who are pronouncing him a failure after his first show.
MUSICALLY CHALLENGED DORK OR NOT, FROM WHAT I HEARD, I FFEL THE BAND MADE A MISTAKE.

Other than the occasional pitch issue, your post is a massive, steaming, stench-riddled pile of championship-level bullshit.
YOU ARE WELCOME TO YOUR OPINION. IT DOESN'T MAKE ME RIGHT OR WRONG, NOR DOES IT MAKE YOU RIGHT OR WRONG. CLASSY MOVE WITH THE NAME-CALLING, THOUGH...

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Postby Rick » Sun Feb 24, 2008 4:25 am

donnaplease wrote:
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donnaplease wrote:
Excellent post, Sherrie. 8)


I give you, "Pete n Repeat."

Nothin to offer, never. Just fuckin stupid and dense.


How original of you. I'll tell you once and for all, FUCK OFF LOSER. If you so choose, I can OFFER all kinds of interesting stuff that might just make some folks' heads spin. It will make your so-called 'real hurt' look like a paper cut.


Wow. I never thought I'd see a post like that from you. Threatening to air someone else's dirty laundry publicly is getting pretty low. I thought you were better than that. If I were you, I'd rethink that and keep all that shit to myself. Because if you do follow up with your threat, everyone here will still be behind Dean and Lu, and you'll be there flapping in the breeze, looking like the villain. Think about it.
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