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Postby brywool » Wed Mar 26, 2008 8:02 am

kgdjpubs wrote:
brywool wrote:He didn't change his voice. The road changed his voice. Overuse changed his voice.


I think there was a little bit of intentional in there also. As a vocal style, Street Talk and ROR are very different from the pre-Frontiers material. I'm talking about phrasing here, not the notes hit.


I'm not talking about phrasing. I'm talking about the roughness in his voice. Escape and prior- Crystal Clear.
Frontiers and beyond- Raspy.

He's alluded to wanting to use that style of singing. However, I think that's PR. WHAT singer would basically come out and say "yeah, I f'd up my voice, hope you like it"? I think him saying that was just kind of revisionism. Again, I might be wrong, but if I had the Escape and prior voice, the LAST thing I'd want to do is lose a few notes of my range and the other last thing I'd due is allude to it in my interviews. The guy has gone on record saying that his voice can't do what it once did and hence his Howard Hughes-ness. Something on the Escape Tour or recording of Frontiers messed with his vocal chords. Doesn't mean he lost his voice then, but it does mean that it definitely changed. This has been talked about in a million threads here...
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Postby Gordon from Edinburgh » Wed Mar 26, 2008 8:21 am

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brywool wrote:He didn't change his voice. The road changed his voice. Overuse changed his voice.


I agree and disagree. I've heard both. The road (and age) obviously changed his voice. However, I heard one the most remarkable things after Frontiers was recording and they were on tour. He was able to, seemingly at will, put away the "huskier" Frontiers album voice in concert on that tour and sound exactly like he did on Escape while singing songs off of the Escape album. I was floored when I heard this. I think to some extent he did sing in a different voice on Frontiers, but after that tour his voice had definitely changed.


I keep hearing this stuff about the "croakier" voice from Frontiers onwards, but, the videos taken from Mountain Aire (i think) show him hitting high and smooth notes very well, and there are moments on Strange Medicine when he gets into amazingly high registers - and then, Steve Lukather goes on about how that voice is still there -i know who i believe - but Nora was right - he has a great voice no matter what register. I have still to hear a better male singer.
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Postby kgdjpubs » Wed Mar 26, 2008 9:04 am

brywool wrote:
kgdjpubs wrote:
brywool wrote:He didn't change his voice. The road changed his voice. Overuse changed his voice.


I think there was a little bit of intentional in there also. As a vocal style, Street Talk and ROR are very different from the pre-Frontiers material. I'm talking about phrasing here, not the notes hit.


I'm not talking about phrasing. I'm talking about the roughness in his voice. Escape and prior- Crystal Clear.
Frontiers and beyond- Raspy.

He's alluded to wanting to use that style of singing. However, I think that's PR. WHAT singer would basically come out and say "yeah, I f'd up my voice, hope you like it"? I think him saying that was just kind of revisionism. Again, I might be wrong, but if I had the Escape and prior voice, the LAST thing I'd want to do is lose a few notes of my range and the other last thing I'd due is allude to it in my interviews. The guy has gone on record saying that his voice can't do what it once did and hence his Howard Hughes-ness. Something on the Escape Tour or recording of Frontiers messed with his vocal chords. Doesn't mean he lost his voice then, but it does mean that it definitely changed. This has been talked about in a million threads here...


I don't disagree that something changed. I don't think ANYONE could say that after heading Escape and Trial By Fire back to back. You would think it is two different people. I'm just adding the point that I don't think he was lying by saying that the changes were intentional. He DID change the way he was singing...but there was a lot more going on. As you said, it's an easy excuse.

I would say the major change either happened somewhere during the Frontiers tour. You could hear changes up to Escape, and the tour for that album was insane. You can hear a change from early Escape to late Escape, but it's not all that dramatic. Early Frontiers recordings don't show that much change in his voice, which means any changes on the Frontiers album were intentional--ie singing lower, or singing in the morning when you get more rasp (which I'm pretty sure was said in an interview). Early Frontiers is still pretty clear. Not crystal, but clear.

I think it's the Frontiers tour where the main stuff happened. My guess is that some amount of range was lost for whatever reason, and the Frontiers tour was more stressful on the voice trying to reach notes that are now much closer to the top of your range than they were. Then, add the length of the tour, which wasn't much shorter, and stress (band, keeping your voice for the next show, personal stuff, etc.)--which WILL show an effect on the voice given time.

What surprises me the most is the change from ROR to the Against the Wall/FTLOSM recordings, when touring was NOT an issue.
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Postby youkeepmewaiting » Wed Mar 26, 2008 9:17 am

Gordon from Edinburgh wrote:
Saint John wrote:
brywool wrote:He didn't change his voice. The road changed his voice. Overuse changed his voice.


I agree and disagree. I've heard both. The road (and age) obviously changed his voice. However, I heard one the most remarkable things after Frontiers was recording and they were on tour. He was able to, seemingly at will, put away the "huskier" Frontiers album voice in concert on that tour and sound exactly like he did on Escape while singing songs off of the Escape album. I was floored when I heard this. I think to some extent he did sing in a different voice on Frontiers, but after that tour his voice had definitely changed.


I keep hearing this stuff about the "croakier" voice from Frontiers onwards, but, the videos taken from Mountain Aire (i think) show him hitting high and smooth notes very well, and there are moments on Strange Medicine when he gets into amazingly high registers - and then, Steve Lukather goes on about how that voice is still there -i know who i believe - but Nora was right - he has a great voice no matter what register. I have still to hear a better male singer.



I'm not saying that he couldnt hit those notes at all, but they became far less frequent. He could still hit some great notes.. but his voice was croakier
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Postby Gordon from Edinburgh » Wed Mar 26, 2008 9:19 am

youkeepmewaiting wrote:
Gordon from Edinburgh wrote:
Saint John wrote:
brywool wrote:He didn't change his voice. The road changed his voice. Overuse changed his voice.


I agree and disagree. I've heard both. The road (and age) obviously changed his voice. However, I heard one the most remarkable things after Frontiers was recording and they were on tour. He was able to, seemingly at will, put away the "huskier" Frontiers album voice in concert on that tour and sound exactly like he did on Escape while singing songs off of the Escape album. I was floored when I heard this. I think to some extent he did sing in a different voice on Frontiers, but after that tour his voice had definitely changed.


I keep hearing this stuff about the "croakier" voice from Frontiers onwards, but, the videos taken from Mountain Aire (i think) show him hitting high and smooth notes very well, and there are moments on Strange Medicine when he gets into amazingly high registers - and then, Steve Lukather goes on about how that voice is still there -i know who i believe - but Nora was right - he has a great voice no matter what register. I have still to hear a better male singer.



I'm not saying that he couldnt hit those notes at all, but they became far less frequent. He could still hit some great notes.. but his voice was croakier


Not really arguing mate - but he did like to put a "gutsy" spin on stuff laterly - maybe it was his choice? Not really fussed cos i like every aspect of what he brings......
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Postby Red13JoePa » Wed Mar 26, 2008 9:22 am

brywool wrote: hence his Howard Hughes-ness.


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Postby youkeepmewaiting » Wed Mar 26, 2008 9:31 am

Gordon from Edinburgh wrote:
youkeepmewaiting wrote:
Gordon from Edinburgh wrote:
Saint John wrote:
brywool wrote:He didn't change his voice. The road changed his voice. Overuse changed his voice.


I agree and disagree. I've heard both. The road (and age) obviously changed his voice. However, I heard one the most remarkable things after Frontiers was recording and they were on tour. He was able to, seemingly at will, put away the "huskier" Frontiers album voice in concert on that tour and sound exactly like he did on Escape while singing songs off of the Escape album. I was floored when I heard this. I think to some extent he did sing in a different voice on Frontiers, but after that tour his voice had definitely changed.


I keep hearing this stuff about the "croakier" voice from Frontiers onwards, but, the videos taken from Mountain Aire (i think) show him hitting high and smooth notes very well, and there are moments on Strange Medicine when he gets into amazingly high registers - and then, Steve Lukather goes on about how that voice is still there -i know who i believe - but Nora was right - he has a great voice no matter what register. I have still to hear a better male singer.



I'm not saying that he couldnt hit those notes at all, but they became far less frequent. He could still hit some great notes.. but his voice was croakier


Not really arguing mate - but he did like to put a "gutsy" spin on stuff laterly - maybe it was his choice? Not really fussed cos i like every aspect of what he brings......


Indeed. Let's all hail Perry. The man, the enigma, the legend.
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Postby squirt1 » Wed Mar 26, 2008 11:37 am

I think he could sing as well as ROR at this age. We know we would pay a huge ticket price to see it even if only 15 songs. He sounded great with the Ambrosia guy on "A brand new start " 3 or 4 yrs ago.
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Postby SteveForever » Wed Mar 26, 2008 11:38 am

squirt1 wrote:I think he could sing as well as ROR at this age. We know we would pay a huge ticket price to see it even if only 15 songs. He sounded great with the Ambrosia guy on "A brand new start " 3 or 4 yrs ago.


yes!
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Postby scarygirl » Wed Mar 26, 2008 11:42 am

squirt1 wrote:I think he could sing as well as ROR at this age. We know we would pay a huge ticket price to see it even if only 15 songs. He sounded great with the Ambrosia guy on "A brand new start " 3 or 4 yrs ago.


This whole can he/can't he sing saga is starting to remind me of a MEATLOAF song.

Steve will do anything for love, but he won't do that.... (SING). Unfortunately, despite what his many defenders tell us, we'll never know.
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Postby youkeepmewaiting » Wed Mar 26, 2008 11:42 am

SteveForever wrote:
squirt1 wrote:I think he could sing as well as ROR at this age. We know we would pay a huge ticket price to see it even if only 15 songs. He sounded great with the Ambrosia guy on "A brand new start " 3 or 4 yrs ago.


yes!


It wouldnt suprise me if quite a few people here would pay 300dollars and more to see Steve just sing 5 songs
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Postby SteveForever » Wed Mar 26, 2008 11:43 am

youkeepmewaiting wrote:
SteveForever wrote:
squirt1 wrote:I think he could sing as well as ROR at this age. We know we would pay a huge ticket price to see it even if only 15 songs. He sounded great with the Ambrosia guy on "A brand new start " 3 or 4 yrs ago.


yes!


It wouldnt suprise me if quite a few people here would pay 300dollars and more to see Steve just sing 5 songs


$300? I'd sell Larry's car. :wink:
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Postby scarygirl » Wed Mar 26, 2008 11:45 am

youkeepmewaiting wrote:
SteveForever wrote:
squirt1 wrote:I think he could sing as well as ROR at this age. We know we would pay a huge ticket price to see it even if only 15 songs. He sounded great with the Ambrosia guy on "A brand new start " 3 or 4 yrs ago.


yes!


It wouldnt suprise me if quite a few people here would pay 300dollars and more to see Steve just sing 5 songs


I'd pay $3,000 to hear him sing one song. Not going to happen. Leaves to sit in a cold dark corner awash in nothing but her tears with white flag waving.
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Postby youkeepmewaiting » Wed Mar 26, 2008 11:46 am

scarygirl wrote:
youkeepmewaiting wrote:
SteveForever wrote:
squirt1 wrote:I think he could sing as well as ROR at this age. We know we would pay a huge ticket price to see it even if only 15 songs. He sounded great with the Ambrosia guy on "A brand new start " 3 or 4 yrs ago.


yes!


It wouldnt suprise me if quite a few people here would pay 300dollars and more to see Steve just sing 5 songs


I'd pay $3,000 to hear him sing one song. Not going to happen. Leaves to sit in a cold dark corner awash in nothing but her tears with white flag waving.



I love Perry.. but really???
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Postby scarygirl » Wed Mar 26, 2008 11:47 am

youkeepmewaiting wrote:
scarygirl wrote:
youkeepmewaiting wrote:
SteveForever wrote:
squirt1 wrote:I think he could sing as well as ROR at this age. We know we would pay a huge ticket price to see it even if only 15 songs. He sounded great with the Ambrosia guy on "A brand new start " 3 or 4 yrs ago.


yes!


It wouldnt suprise me if quite a few people here would pay 300dollars and more to see Steve just sing 5 songs


I'd pay $3,000 to hear him sing one song. Not going to happen. Leaves to sit in a cold dark corner awash in nothing but her tears with white flag waving.



I love Perry.. but really???


Abso freaking lutely. Not holding my breathe though. My $3000 will soon be put to better use. Besides, like Clairol, only Steve's cats know for sure.
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Postby Blueskies » Wed Mar 26, 2008 11:49 am

scarygirl wrote:
youkeepmewaiting wrote:
SteveForever wrote:
squirt1 wrote:I think he could sing as well as ROR at this age. We know we would pay a huge ticket price to see it even if only 15 songs. He sounded great with the Ambrosia guy on "A brand new start " 3 or 4 yrs ago.


yes!


It wouldnt suprise me if quite a few people here would pay 300dollars and more to see Steve just sing 5 songs


I'd pay $3,000 to hear him sing one song. Not going to happen. Leaves to sit in a cold dark corner awash in nothing but her tears with white flag waving.
Dang! You think like a NY Senator. :shock: :lol:
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Postby scarygirl » Wed Mar 26, 2008 11:52 am

Blueskies wrote:
scarygirl wrote:
youkeepmewaiting wrote:
SteveForever wrote:
squirt1 wrote:I think he could sing as well as ROR at this age. We know we would pay a huge ticket price to see it even if only 15 songs. He sounded great with the Ambrosia guy on "A brand new start " 3 or 4 yrs ago.


yes!


It wouldnt suprise me if quite a few people here would pay 300dollars and more to see Steve just sing 5 songs


I'd pay $3,000 to hear him sing one song. Not going to happen. Leaves to sit in a cold dark corner awash in nothing but her tears with white flag waving.
Dang! You think like a NY Senator. :shock: :lol:


Don't let my voter registration card fool you, I'm a repub all the way. :lol:
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Postby youkeepmewaiting » Wed Mar 26, 2008 11:53 am

scarygirl wrote:
youkeepmewaiting wrote:
scarygirl wrote:
youkeepmewaiting wrote:
SteveForever wrote:
squirt1 wrote:I think he could sing as well as ROR at this age. We know we would pay a huge ticket price to see it even if only 15 songs. He sounded great with the Ambrosia guy on "A brand new start " 3 or 4 yrs ago.


yes!


It wouldnt suprise me if quite a few people here would pay 300dollars and more to see Steve just sing 5 songs


I'd pay $3,000 to hear him sing one song. Not going to happen. Leaves to sit in a cold dark corner awash in nothing but her tears with white flag waving.



I love Perry.. but really???


Abso freaking lutely. Not holding my breathe though. My $3000 will soon be put to better use. Besides, like Clairol, only Steve's cats know for sure.


Personally i'll be like "Fuck off Steve, where have you been for the past ten years - charging prices like that"... :)
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Postby Blueskies » Wed Mar 26, 2008 11:54 am

SteveForever wrote:
youkeepmewaiting wrote:
SteveForever wrote:
squirt1 wrote:I think he could sing as well as ROR at this age. We know we would pay a huge ticket price to see it even if only 15 songs. He sounded great with the Ambrosia guy on "A brand new start " 3 or 4 yrs ago.


yes!


It wouldnt suprise me if quite a few people here would pay 300dollars and more to see Steve just sing 5 songs


$300? I'd sell Larry's car. :wink:
Sorry, Liz, but your hubby still need's it to drive me around. :shock: :wink: :lol:
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Postby SteveForever » Wed Mar 26, 2008 11:55 am

Blueskies wrote:
SteveForever wrote:
youkeepmewaiting wrote:
SteveForever wrote:
squirt1 wrote:I think he could sing as well as ROR at this age. We know we would pay a huge ticket price to see it even if only 15 songs. He sounded great with the Ambrosia guy on "A brand new start " 3 or 4 yrs ago.


yes!


It wouldnt suprise me if quite a few people here would pay 300dollars and more to see Steve just sing 5 songs


$300? I'd sell Larry's car. :wink:
Sorry, Liz, but your hubby still need's it to drive me around. :shock: :wink: :lol:


he can keep the clunker, I gotta sell that hummer though to be with Steve-even if its just for one night... :oops:
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Postby scarygirl » Wed Mar 26, 2008 11:58 am

SteveForever wrote:
Blueskies wrote:
SteveForever wrote:
youkeepmewaiting wrote:
SteveForever wrote:
squirt1 wrote:I think he could sing as well as ROR at this age. We know we would pay a huge ticket price to see it even if only 15 songs. He sounded great with the Ambrosia guy on "A brand new start " 3 or 4 yrs ago.


yes!


It wouldnt suprise me if quite a few people here would pay 300dollars and more to see Steve just sing 5 songs


$300? I'd sell Larry's car. :wink:
Sorry, Liz, but your hubby still need's it to drive me around. :shock: :wink: :lol:


he can keep the clunker, I gotta sell that hummer though to be with Steve-even if its just for one night... :oops:


Okay, you and I need to talk because he definately promised me the first dance.... :evil: :lol:
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Postby Saint John » Wed Mar 26, 2008 12:01 pm

Here we go. The fucking Loons are getting wetter in the pants than an open fire hydrant in the ghetto.
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Postby Blueskies » Wed Mar 26, 2008 12:05 pm

scarygirl wrote:
SteveForever wrote:
Blueskies wrote:
SteveForever wrote:
youkeepmewaiting wrote:
SteveForever wrote:
squirt1 wrote:I think he could sing as well as ROR at this age. We know we would pay a huge ticket price to see it even if only 15 songs. He sounded great with the Ambrosia guy on "A brand new start " 3 or 4 yrs ago.


yes!


It wouldnt suprise me if quite a few people here would pay 300dollars and more to see Steve just sing 5 songs


$300? I'd sell Larry's car. :wink:
Sorry, Liz, but your hubby still need's it to drive me around. :shock: :wink: :lol:


he can keep the clunker, I gotta sell that hummer though to be with Steve-even if its just for one night... :oops:


Okay, you and I need to talk because he definately promised me the first dance.... :evil: :lol:
Who? Larry or Espee? :lol:
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Postby scarygirl » Wed Mar 26, 2008 12:06 pm

Saint John wrote:Here we go. The fucking Loons are getting wetter in the pants than an open fire hydrant in the ghetto.


Good evening to you too. :lol:
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Postby squirt1 » Wed Mar 26, 2008 12:11 pm

Saint John- You are too kind to loons. I would pay $ 500.00 to sit in the last row in a stadium. The only problem is there would be no tickets that weren't on ebay for 1-2 thousand.
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Postby mistiejourney » Wed Mar 26, 2008 6:37 pm

youkeepmewaiting wrote:
SteveForever wrote:
squirt1 wrote:I think he could sing as well as ROR at this age. We know we would pay a huge ticket price to see it even if only 15 songs. He sounded great with the Ambrosia guy on "A brand new start " 3 or 4 yrs ago.


yes!


It wouldnt suprise me if quite a few people here would pay 300dollars and more to see Steve just sing 5 songs


A pittance. I'd pay much more than that. But it had better be a small venue and I had better get to sit on his lap, which will automatically raise his voice to pre-Frontiers octave due to pain from the weight on his nether regions.

Then his voice would be 110% again and he'd have no excuse not to sing.

You can thank me later - small bills, unmarked......... :lol: :lol:
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Postby mistiejourney » Wed Mar 26, 2008 6:39 pm

Saint John wrote:Here we go. The fucking Loons are getting wetter in the pants than an open fire hydrant in the ghetto.


How the hell else are we supposed to deal with hot flashes? Hmmmmm? :lol:
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Postby TRAGChick » Thu Mar 27, 2008 8:22 am

brywool wrote:
kgdjpubs wrote:
brywool wrote:He didn't change his voice. The road changed his voice. Overuse changed his voice.


I think there was a little bit of intentional in there also. As a vocal style, Street Talk and ROR are very different from the pre-Frontiers material. I'm talking about phrasing here, not the notes hit.


I'm not talking about phrasing. I'm talking about the roughness in his voice. Escape and prior- Crystal Clear.
Frontiers and beyond- Raspy.

He's alluded to wanting to use that style of singing. However, I think that's PR. WHAT singer would basically come out and say "yeah, I f'd up my voice, hope you like it"? I think him saying that was just kind of revisionism. Again, I might be wrong, but if I had the Escape and prior voice, the LAST thing I'd want to do is lose a few notes of my range and the other last thing I'd due is allude to it in my interviews. The guy has gone on record saying that his voice can't do what it once did and hence his Howard Hughes-ness. Something on the Escape Tour or recording of Frontiers messed with his vocal chords. Doesn't mean he lost his voice then, but it does mean that it definitely changed. This has been talked about in a million threads here...


Well, all I can say is:

It was a SUPER-HUMAN EFFORT to put ON those kinds of shows in the 80s...night after night after NIGHT. :shock:

:arrow: Mgmt (HH) KNEW that there was a certain "Window of Opportunity" to rake in the cha-ching....

...but at what cost...? :?
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