Re-Recordings

[Red13JoePa]

AJM, the 1ast 2 Journey a1bum's were accomanied by mega Arriva1 and Generations feature interviews with MR.com with the band is there a chance of the same happening for this record?

[strangegrey]

No problem HappyValleyCamper.

I just meant that while SG had a valid opinion

He does have a va1id opinion, but the "sky is fa11ing " shit he's running about Reve1ation being abso1ute1y destroyed because of the content of disc 1 is over the top.

Oh for fucks sake red, let's not put words in my mouth.

The fact of the matter is that this redo disk is quite different than just getting a new singer and trudging on because the previous one wouldn't do it anymore....something I was fairly supportive of in the past. I was supportive of that, because the work being done with Augeri prior to 2001, was very much an attempt to build on the past, not relive it.

This is different. What Schlong an Yeastboy are doing...is that they are taking songs that have NO BUSINESS being redone...and redoing them with a different singer. Now, while we can forget about my assertion that these songs are hallowed ground...lets face the facts here and not bury our heads in the sand. The fact of the matter is that they are FORCING people to directly compare Arnel to Perry. It's not just a "Ooh, he sounds like perry live" No, this is a case of people taking one version of Lights and playing the other one and literally making side by side comparisons.

But it's worse than that. It's not Arnel (circa 2008) to Perry (2008). It's Arnel (2008) to Perry (1983). That's not a fair fight. Hell, that's not even a fight. It's a slaughter. There isn't a singer alive or dead, in whatever time period you can state, that can even come close to Perry in his prime. Sorry, that's just the way that it is. It's not Loon, it's not perryhead, its not jihadist. It's just a fucking fact.

Whatever shortcomings that Arnel has will make him look like William Hung next to Perry in his prime. You know that, I know that and everyone else knows that. It's just a case of whether or not a person is willing start breathing oxygen instead of sand and face the truth here.


So lets be real here....you're taking this poor fucking kid and setting him up for failure, before he even gets an opportunity to bring Ann Wilson some donuts on this summer's tour.

The fact of the matter is that there isn't a person in the music press that will pay ANY attention to the new songs or the dvd...mark my words. The music press will focus solely on these retreads, and blast them to dust in their subsequent review. Either that, or worse, they'll consider the attempt such a farce that they wont even bother reviewing the material. Killing any chance whatsoever, for this 3-cd set to actually be a successful release. Sorry, walmart isnt fronting this deal on the hopes that Andrew's going to write a killer review. The success of Regurgitations is dependent upon wide-scale positive reviews in the mainstream music press. Anything less, and this album is going to meet the same fate as Generations....the big difference is that it will likely be 2-3 times as expensive (meaning even less units will sell).

That's just the facts here. Sure, are people going to buy it? Absolutely. There are still people that dont care enough about the other stupid things schlong and yeastboy have done....but trust me, we're not talking about material numbers here.


So even if the band was going to move enough units to make a mark (and that, in itself is something I would bet my left testicle as not happening in this decade) As soon as Arnel gets slaughtered in the music press for this 3rd disc of retreads...the band will stop moving enough units to cover shipping to the walmarts.

[Andrew]

AJM, the 1ast 2 Journey a1bum's were accomanied by mega Arriva1 and Generations feature interviews with MR.com with the band is there a chance of the same happening for this record?

I was hoping so - but that seems very unlikely.

[Red13JoePa]

Dammit to hell, that's a tradition; it primed the pump here for the excitement over the last 2 records.

We spent days fretting over the staggered-out releases of the Generations interviews reminiscing how great the Arrival feature interviews were, I remember that fondly.

[hgwy407]

Sorry Andrew, I gotta call bullshit on the track listing. I happen to KNOW the following will be on the re-recorded classics,including the Filipino bonus tracks....

Don't Stop Believin'
Stone In Love
Lights
The Time
Little Girl
La Do Da
Lovin' You Is Easy
Good Morning Girl
People And Places
With A Tear
Wild On The Run (Tall Stories Cover)
Faithfully (Jon Cain Vocals)
Anyway You Want It (Dave Clark Five version)

I hate to school you Andrew...but someone had to set the record straight....

[wednesday's child]

I'll have to do a review sometime after it is released and once I get to know it, but it won't be as big a review, as folks will already have it in their hands and won't need a big advance feature on it.

Disagree. I don't think this thing will fly off the shelves the way you're thinking,
like in one big rush. A rush will be thre, but I think a larger chunk of the market will be waiting
for reviewers' judgements before they shell out or not-- precisely because of
iffy sentiment about the re-records.

JM2p

[Marabelle]

I think Neal got as close as he could to the sound he was looking for. It's a fair substitute just not the real thing. Nobody expects Arnel to sing like the real thing; it is just an imitation and mere reflection of the vocals of Mister Perry. Of course they expect criticisms and judgements and ridicule and comments that Arnel can't do the song justice; that's already written some where in a contract; but if Arnel can sing so many nights and sell out at least a certain percentage of shows and move the music through Wal Mart then I beleive the band is happy. The band realizes people do not expect perfection, but it generate sales and it will create enough noise to keep fans at MR and Generations busy for as long as the band is playing and then calculate how it can be turned into a money making venture which means selling the music. The question is how long can it last cause people will buy tickets for as long as Arnel can sing the song and he sings well; he's just not Perry. Those folks who feel they are traversing on hallowed ground and it's crucifying the name and spirit of Perry always change their mind and if you are a good business person you calculate that in your projections. You put some figures down and pray that Arnel's voice can hold out that long and if you're lucky you might have two if not three summers in your future. I don't think Neal and the band are purist; they know they've trampled the hallowed ground and disturbed the Legacy of the band; I think half heartedly they want it maintained but I think more importantly they want to make the dollar while they can.

[Vladan]

Sorry Andrew, I gotta call bullshit on the track listing. I happen to KNOW the following will be on the re-recorded classics,including the Filipino bonus tracks....

Don't Stop Believin'
Stone In Love
Lights
The Time
Little Girl
La Do Da
Lovin' You Is Easy
Good Morning Girl
People And Places
With A Tear
Wild On The Run (Tall Stories Cover)
Faithfully (Jon Cain Vocals)
Anyway You Want It (Dave Clark Five version)

I hate to school you Andrew...but someone had to set the record straight....

Ok, so what is your proof?. Pal, I am taking Andrews word over yours. Faithfully with Cain on vocals? are you kidding me... John From Boston is gonna love this.

[Sarah]

Don't Stop Believin'
Stone In Love
Lights
The Time
Little Girl
La Do Da
Lovin' You Is Easy
Good Morning Girl
People And Places
With A Tear

Oh man I wish. I could go with this track list.

[mikemarrs]

does arnel cover 'can do' on the new redone hits?

[daytrpr]

I also know they do not do Ask The Lonely.

Yeah for some reason Perry can only pull this one off,

Am I missing something here? Ask the Lonely is the only Journey song I think Perry does not do exceptionally well on.

No kidding. I've never heard a live version of that where Perry sounded great. On the other hand, it's one of the songs that Augeri sounded best on (except the chorus, which he struggled to reach). Not sure how live it was, but...

[Deb]

Oh man I wish. I could go with this track list.

Sarah, what a great shot of you and Deen! I think he looks healthier than I've ever seen him.

[hgwy407]

Vladan, you have to know that I was kidding, right???

[Tomulator]

Of the 11 tracks....I know of 3....

Faithfully
Lights
Stone In Love

No surprises so far
I also know they do not do Ask The Lonely.

The rest are run of the mill Greatest Hits plus When You Love A Woman...which is on the updated Greatest Hits.

If he butchers WYLAW......I will not be happy.

Why in the WORLD does WYLAW need "updating"????????!!!!

Ridiculous.

[MrsPerry]

does Cain do an ok Faithfully? I have only heard the chick sing on his version?

[Saint John]

Yeah, I don't really see the whole point, either. Like strangegrey said, people tend to like what they heard first, so a lot of people are used to the originals and are fine with them. You could argue that a new generation will be hearing the remakes first and like them, but WHERE would they hear them in the first place? I doubt they'll get radio play, so a new generation would have to look hard to discover them. Seems like it's just kinda pandering to the new Filipino fans (who are only here for Arnel) which is cool, but unecessary imo.

Though I'd probably be on board if it was a CD of more obscure songs remade. I mean, how many DSBs and Separate Ways do I need, really... The inclusion of WYLAW is so stupid, it's not even outdated. The whole thing just seems unecessary. But I will give it a listen.

People do like what they hear first. That's probably why Journey re-recorded the hits. Think about it...they're gonna tour the U.S., Europe and Asia and a LOT of people will be hearing those songs for the first time (especially in Europe and Asia)...making Arnel their Steve Perry. Obviously, Perry can't/won't sing anymore so I see no reason not to give people that same opportunity to relive concerts memories with an actual recording of what they heard their first time. In other words, it would be retarded to hear Arnel perform those songs for the first time, enjoy them, have memories to associate them with, but have to buy those same songs with Steve Perry singing them. Re-recording the Greatest Hits, after re-thinking it, is a great idea.

[cookieduster]

People do like what they hear first. That's probably why Journey re-recorded the hits. Think about it...they're gonna tour the U.S., Europe and Asia and a [b]LOT of people will be hearing those songs for the first time (especially in Europe and Asia)...making Arnel their Steve Perry. [/b]Obviously, Perry can't/won't sing anymore so I see no reason not to give people that same opportunity to relive concerts memories with an actual recording of what they heard their first time. In other words, it would be retarded to hear Arnel perform those songs for the first time, enjoy them, have memories to associate them with, but have to buy those same songs with Steve Perry singing them. Re-recording the Greatest Hits, after re-thinking it, is a great idea.

Using Nocturne all the way most likely, $$$$$$

[Vladan]

Vladan, you have to know that I was kidding, right???

Hey how ya doin hgwy407. Yeah I know you a kidding now, though I saw your post count, and haven't seen you around these boards much, so I figured you may of been one of the drive-by cheerleader youtube posters

It's all good though

[Saint John]

People do like what they hear first. That's probably why Journey re-recorded the hits. Think about it...they're gonna tour the U.S., Europe and Asia and a [b]LOT of people will be hearing those songs for the first time (especially in Europe and Asia)...making Arnel their Steve Perry. [/b]Obviously, Perry can't/won't sing anymore so I see no reason not to give people that same opportunity to relive concerts memories with an actual recording of what they heard their first time. In other words, it would be retarded to hear Arnel perform those songs for the first time, enjoy them, have memories to associate them with, but have to buy those same songs with Steve Perry singing them. Re-recording the Greatest Hits, after re-thinking it, is a great idea.

Using Nocturne all the way most likely, $$$$$$

Journey has been using Nocturne forever. Neal was smart enough not to sell his share and makes a TON of dough annually. For a lot of years they were making money hand over fist with the HUGE acts they had...McCartney, Madonna, Metallica and a few others. Neal still has more money than he knows what to do with. God blesss him...wise choice.

[The_Noble_Cause]

This is different. What Schlong an Yeastboy are doing...is that they are taking songs that have NO BUSINESS being redone...and redoing them with a different singer. Now, while we can forget about my assertion that these songs are hallowed ground...lets face the facts here and not bury our heads in the sand. The fact of the matter is that they are FORCING people to directly compare Arnel to Perry. It's not just a "Ooh, he sounds like perry live" No, this is a case of people taking one version of Lights and playing the other one and literally making side by side comparisons.

Umm, so what do you think was the primary purpose of releasing the nearly all-classics comprised 2001 Vegas dvd? Same deal.
Besides, didn't Jon mention re-done hits being floated to various radio stations and AOR men when the band was first re-grouping in 98?

Nobody is forcing the consumer to do anything.
However, since the main draw for the casual ticket-going masses is the Perry catalog, where's does the band stand to lose in proving upright that their new singer can deliver the goods?
On top of that, if the public hears and accepts the songs sung by someone other than Perry, there possibly won't exist such impossibly high demands for Arnel (or the unlucky bastard with the unfortunate fate of someday having to replace him).

[Sarah]

Yeah, I don't really see the whole point, either. Like strangegrey said, people tend to like what they heard first, so a lot of people are used to the originals and are fine with them. You could argue that a new generation will be hearing the remakes first and like them, but WHERE would they hear them in the first place? I doubt they'll get radio play, so a new generation would have to look hard to discover them. Seems like it's just kinda pandering to the new Filipino fans (who are only here for Arnel) which is cool, but unecessary imo.

Though I'd probably be on board if it was a CD of more obscure songs remade. I mean, how many DSBs and Separate Ways do I need, really... The inclusion of WYLAW is so stupid, it's not even outdated. The whole thing just seems unecessary. But I will give it a listen.

People do like what they hear first. That's probably why Journey re-recorded the hits. Think about it...they're gonna tour the U.S., Europe and Asia and a LOT of people will be hearing those songs for the first time (especially in Europe and Asia)...making Arnel their Steve Perry. Obviously, Perry can't/won't sing anymore so I see no reason not to give people that same opportunity to relive concerts memories with an actual recording of what they heard their first time. In other words, it would be retarded to hear Arnel perform those songs for the first time, enjoy them, have memories to associate them with, but have to buy those same songs with Steve Perry singing them. Re-recording the Greatest Hits, after re-thinking it, is a great idea.

Sorry, but I still think it's pointless and kinda disrespectful to previous band members (not just SP). I just don't think THAT many people will hear these without having heard the originals before.

[stevew2]

Journey is retarded period

[ProgRocker53]

Journey is retarted period

[stevew2]

Journey is retarted period

What you talkin bout willis?

[WALEX]

I also know they do not do Ask The Lonely.

Yeah for some reason Perry can only pull this one off,

Am I missing something here? Ask the Lonely is the only Journey song I think Perry does not do exceptionally well on.


Red13Joanne, you are a weird bastard.

I like the beginning of the song but not the voice over.

[Calbear94]

Rerecording WYLAW makes NO sense to me.

That's already a latter-day Journey song, the entire tracklist should've been culled from '78-'86.

Given Arnel's short tenure in the band when recording began, I'd think Journey would rehearse and record say 15 songs then use the best the 10-13 of the bunch. Judging from a few of the Vegas reviews, I'd say that WYLAW is probably one of the songs that Arnel does really well. This could explain it.

[annie89509]

Yeah, I don't really see the whole point, either. Like strangegrey said, people tend to like what they heard first, so a lot of people are used to the originals and are fine with them. You could argue that a new generation will be hearing the remakes first and like them, but WHERE would they hear them in the first place? I doubt they'll get radio play, so a new generation would have to look hard to discover them. Seems like it's just kinda pandering to the new Filipino fans (who are only here for Arnel) which is cool, but unecessary imo.

Though I'd probably be on board if it was a CD of more obscure songs remade. I mean, how many DSBs and Separate Ways do I need, really... The inclusion of WYLAW is so stupid, it's not even outdated. The whole thing just seems unecessary. But I will give it a listen.

People do like what they hear first. That's probably why Journey re-recorded the hits. Think about it...they're gonna tour the U.S., Europe and Asia and a LOT of people will be hearing those songs for the first time (especially in Europe and Asia)...making Arnel their Steve Perry. Obviously, Perry can't/won't sing anymore so I see no reason not to give people that same opportunity to relive concerts memories with an actual recording of what they heard their first time. In other words, it would be retarded to hear Arnel perform those songs for the first time, enjoy them, have memories to associate them with, but have to buy those same songs with Steve Perry singing them. Re-recording the Greatest Hits, after re-thinking it, is a great idea.

Sorry, but I still think it's pointless and kinda disrespectful to previous band members (not just SP). I just don't think THAT many people will hear these without having heard the originals before.

Right, I don't care where they're going to be (Europe, Asia, South America), if there are fans going to see them, they have all heard the original recordings - the songs with SP's singing.

[Vladan]

waste of time, and it taints their legacy.

[Journey/Survivor]

No one is happy on this forum about these songs being redone (i dont think).

I am.
I love it.
And evidently my mindset as it applies to the triple disc Revelation is in tune with the band's because the first thing I planned on playing was what is disc 1, the re recordings.

I'm happy that they are releasing the re-recordings, but I'm by far more excited about the new album and will listen to it first. I may even listen to the new album 2 or 3 times before I pop the re-recorded versions into the CD player.

I don't see where anyone as any LEGITIMATE right to complain about the re-recordings? I mean if they don't want to listen to it, then don't!

I look at the re-recorded versions as a nice bonus.

If they were releasing only the re-recorded versions of the classics then I'd be pissed. But IMO the way their doing it is perfect, and new album, the re-recordings, and the DVD. Although, by all rights the new album should be disc #1, and the re-recordings disc #2.

[Vladan]

I don't see where anyone as any LEGITIMATE right to complain about the re-recordings? I mean if they don't want to listen to it, then don't!

Hypathetical situation here.

Has Survivor re-recorded the classics and re-packaged their songs yet, if not - how would you feel if they re-done the whole Jimmy Jamison/Survivor catalog and tried to push it on the general public?