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Postby Rip Rokken » Wed Apr 23, 2008 2:33 pm

Mine has been on order and has already been shipped, but I couldn't wait another day for it to arrive -- saw it at Best Buy and picked up a copy that day! That was 3 days ago and I wanted to wait to post until I'd given it a good listen. I have to be honest... as long as I'd been waiting on this, many of the 12 song samples that were posted earlier did not excite me that much, and I was worried that this would be a mediocre album overall.

WRONG!!!

It's AWESOME!!! The samples didn't do it justice... This is a MUST for any ASIA fan. Song for song, it seems like they really took their time and put effort into making a quality album. None of the songs are rushed in the least, with most seeming to clock in closer to 5:00 in length, and a few top out over 8 min!

From the opening track "Never Again", this album grabs me and never lets go. I'd have to rate it very closely against the first two albums, and MUCH better than Astra. The classic ASIA is back!

First of all, I know since Howe originally left, they employed a series of more technical guitar players (and a few shredders like Mandy Meyer and Pat Thrall), but let me tell ya -- Steve Howe's contribution to the ASIA sound is in full effect here. ASIA needs Steve Howe!

John Wetton has a voice that can fill the room, and once again, it's used to full effect on this album. Nothing like the sound of Wetton's big voice amped up with reverb...

Geoff Downes is a master, and his work here is outstanding. One thing about ASIA that differs from bands like Yes -- for all of their talent, ASIA always remained remarkably restrained, whereas Yes came off like a bunch of soloists fighting for attention. So don't expect a bunch of highly technical wizardry -- just masterful playing which serves the song and the audience, rather than the ego of the artist.

And Carl Palmer -- always one of my favorite drummers. He flat out goes off in one song near the middle of the album -- may be track 8 -- in a run that builds and builds for quite some time. A real treat!

The whole album is excellent, and one song in particular that caught me was "Orchard Of Mines" -- a great song to slow dance with. I was surprised later to find that this is the only song on the album that ASIA didn't write -- it's apparently a remake of a song by a group of musicians called Globus (their story is interesting: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Globus_%28music%29 ), and the original can be found here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7bG6UqoFlSU

I MUST say, I prefer the ASIA version with Wetton's huge vocals... incredible! Compare it to the original:

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0016D ... 245&sr=8-1

If you don't have this yet, or have been on the fence about trying it -- rest assured, it's awesome, and gets the Rip Rokken Seal of Quality and Approval. Can't wait to see them live in Louisiana this weekend!

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Postby The Fly » Wed Apr 23, 2008 3:30 pm

I got my import copy about a week and a half ago and I feel the same! I absolutely love it!! Thanks for the link for Orchard of Mines. Love that song and I like that original too. It's available on iTunes!
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Postby MarcelJordan » Wed Apr 23, 2008 3:38 pm

Ive heard most of the tunes in their entirety. Great alb um! Never Again is probably THE best tune, IMO. The lyrics are simply amazing and especially the part in the chorus where Wetton says "Never again will I bear arms against my brother...Never again will I spill blood on any mother" The latter line..Iraq anyone? :shock:
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Postby Rip Rokken » Wed Apr 23, 2008 10:40 pm

Whattup, FlyGuy and MarkyJ? Glad you both dig the album as I do!

MarcelJordan wrote:Ive heard most of the tunes in their entirety. Great alb um! Never Again is probably THE best tune, IMO. The lyrics are simply amazing and especially the part in the chorus where Wetton says "Never again will I bear arms against my brother...Never again will I spill blood on any mother" The latter line..Iraq anyone? :shock:


That's one thing I meant to mention but forgot -- the lyrics. Wetton likes to use imagery of war and death to really jack up the drama and impact of his songs (often about personal relationships), and I've always complete dug it. And for some reason, when he makes war references, I always get sort of an Ernest Hemmingway vision, which is cool. Yes the lyrics are tops.

The song "Never Again" is very reminiscent of hits from their first album, and is almost like a cross between "Only Time Will Tell" and "Heat Of The Moment" -- the opening guitar riff and the hi-hat cymbal directly afterwards are two good examples -- but the song stands well on its own. Sounds awesome turned up loud!

Oh, I also forgot to mention, the ballad "Heroine" to me is a virtual redo of "The Smile Has Left Your Eyes" -- very similar song, but I dig it!
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Postby WalrusOct9 » Thu Apr 24, 2008 2:42 am

I wish there were more rockers and up-tempo tracks...too much of it sounds like the mostly mellow Wetton/Downes Icon stuff. Not bad, but definitely not much like the first album, which was pretty much rockin' from start to finish. I really want to like this album but I'm just not into having that many ballads and mid-tempo tracks; it feels more like a Wetton/Downes or Wetton solo album with Howe guesting at times.
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Re: OT: ASIA - Phoenix

Postby conversationpc » Thu Apr 24, 2008 3:17 am

Rip Rokken wrote:It's AWESOME!!! The samples didn't do it justice... This is a MUST for any ASIA fan. Song for song, it seems like they really took their time and put effort into making a quality album. None of the songs are rushed in the least, with most seeming to clock in closer to 5:00 in length, and a few top out over 8 min!


I am now officially pumped to hear this album. I've enjoyed Asia overall from the mid 80s until now but I've always missed that sound they had on those first two albums.
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Postby Rip Rokken » Thu Apr 24, 2008 9:13 am

WalrusOct9 wrote:I wish there were more rockers and up-tempo tracks...too much of it sounds like the mostly mellow Wetton/Downes Icon stuff. Not bad, but definitely not much like the first album, which was pretty much rockin' from start to finish. I really want to like this album but I'm just not into having that many ballads and mid-tempo tracks; it feels more like a Wetton/Downes or Wetton solo album with Howe guesting at times.


I completely understand, and that was actually one of my first hesitations on hearing all 12 song samples -- sounded way too ballad heavy. But these are great tunes for sure. Maybe not so many heavy tracks, but a lot of power running underneath.
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Re: OT: ASIA - Phoenix

Postby MCM » Thu Apr 24, 2008 9:19 am

Rip Rokken wrote:Mine has been on order and has already been shipped, but I couldn't wait another day for it to arrive -- saw it at Best Buy and picked up a copy that day! That was 3 days ago and I wanted to wait to post until I'd given it a good listen. I have to be honest... as long as I'd been waiting on this, many of the 12 song samples that were posted earlier did not excite me that much, and I was worried that this would be a mediocre album overall.

WRONG!!!

It's AWESOME!!! The samples didn't do it justice... This is a MUST for any ASIA fan. Song for song, it seems like they really took their time and put effort into making a quality album. None of the songs are rushed in the least, with most seeming to clock in closer to 5:00 in length, and a few top out over 8 min!

From the opening track "Never Again", this album grabs me and never lets go. I'd have to rate it very closely against the first two albums, and MUCH better than Astra. The classic ASIA is back!


Agreed, I bought it on a whim, thinking "yeah, it's gonna suck, and I'll get rid of it at CD Warehouse after a listen or two", but it's absolutely a keeper. It's almost as if it's an old disc that I pulled out of the archives, but yet it's not, It's got that classic Asia sound, but yet it's still new. Kind of like an old friend with new things to say. (that sounds cheesy, but that's what I thought) I liked it the first time thru, Go buy it!!
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Postby weatherman90 » Thu Apr 24, 2008 9:23 am

Don't get why they had to stop with the "A...A" titles - that's just the obsessive compulsive in me talking.
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Postby ProgRocker53 » Thu Apr 24, 2008 9:43 am

This thread has got me pumped to get that album... can't wait to listen to it all!
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Postby Soto All The Way » Thu Apr 24, 2008 9:43 am

Very good album. Love it.

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Re: OT: ASIA - Phoenix

Postby Rip Rokken » Thu Apr 24, 2008 12:08 pm

MCM wrote:Agreed, I bought it on a whim, thinking "yeah, it's gonna suck, and I'll get rid of it at CD Warehouse after a listen or two", but it's absolutely a keeper.


I just got the copy I originally ordered from Amazon in the mail today, so now I have two -- one for each ear.

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Postby Rip Rokken » Thu Apr 24, 2008 12:10 pm

weatherman90 wrote:Don't get why they had to stop with the "A...A" titles - that's just the obsessive compulsive in me talking.


They pretty much ran out of them, unless you want to go beyond 2-3 syllables.... LOL! It was a real challenge several years back just to come up with "Aria"...
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Postby ProgRocker53 » Thu Apr 24, 2008 12:10 pm

So is this album widely available in nationwide retail stores or am I gonna have to order it online for sure? No Best Buy near me.
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Postby ProgRocker53 » Thu Apr 24, 2008 12:11 pm

Rip Rokken wrote:
weatherman90 wrote:Don't get why they had to stop with the "A...A" titles - that's just the obsessive compulsive in me talking.


They pretty much ran out of them, unless you want to go beyond 2-3 syllables.... LOL! It was a real challenge several years back just to come up with "Aria"...


...ARMADA! There's a good one.

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Arreola? Imagine the Roger Dean cover for THAT one!!
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Postby Rip Rokken » Thu Apr 24, 2008 12:12 pm

ProgRocker53 wrote:This thread has got me pumped to get that album... can't wait to listen to it all!


You know, I forgot to mention the prog elements! There are prog treasures awaiting you on this disc, Proggie!

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Postby WalrusOct9 » Thu Apr 24, 2008 12:15 pm

Rip Rokken wrote:
WalrusOct9 wrote:I wish there were more rockers and up-tempo tracks...too much of it sounds like the mostly mellow Wetton/Downes Icon stuff. Not bad, but definitely not much like the first album, which was pretty much rockin' from start to finish. I really want to like this album but I'm just not into having that many ballads and mid-tempo tracks; it feels more like a Wetton/Downes or Wetton solo album with Howe guesting at times.


I completely understand, and that was actually one of my first hesitations on hearing all 12 song samples -- sounded way too ballad heavy. But these are great tunes for sure. Maybe not so many heavy tracks, but a lot of power running underneath.



But then...what differentiates it stylistically from, say, Wetton's Battle Lines?
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Postby ProgRocker53 » Thu Apr 24, 2008 12:16 pm

Rip Rokken wrote:
ProgRocker53 wrote:This thread has got me pumped to get that album... can't wait to listen to it all!


You know, I forgot to mention the prog elements! There are prog treasures awaiting you on this disc, Proggie!

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Wow. I'm racking up quite the collection of classic axes now! :D
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Postby Rip Rokken » Thu Apr 24, 2008 12:22 pm

ProgRocker53 wrote:
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Wow. I'm racking up quite the collection of classic axes now! :D


Welcome to the Skull & Bones Society! And you didn't even have to attend Yale to get there!

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Postby ProgRocker53 » Thu Apr 24, 2008 12:24 pm

If you'd ask Deano, WSU's better than Yale. ;)
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Postby Rip Rokken » Thu Apr 24, 2008 12:33 pm

ProgRocker53 wrote:If you'd ask Deano, WSU's better than Yale. ;)


What's that... Whitesnake University?

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Postby ProgRocker53 » Thu Apr 24, 2008 12:34 pm

LMFAO.

In that case I'd love to be a WSU grad. :twisted:
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Postby Rip Rokken » Thu Apr 24, 2008 12:39 pm

Here's your first homework assignment:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Zeq89oMW6c
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Postby Rip Rokken » Sun Apr 27, 2008 9:27 am

I'm at the ASIA gig today, and got the VIP treatment... WOW!!! More details to come...
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Postby ProgRocker53 » Sun Apr 27, 2008 10:03 am

Rip Rokken wrote:I'm at the ASIA gig today, and got the VIP treatment... WOW!!! More details to come...


I'm tuned in and ready!!
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Postby Rip Rokken » Sun Apr 27, 2008 4:39 pm

ProgRocker53 wrote:
Rip Rokken wrote:I'm at the ASIA gig today, and got the VIP treatment... WOW!!! More details to come...


I'm tuned in and ready!!


Details coming...
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Postby DarrenUK » Mon Apr 28, 2008 7:03 am

Love Never Again, Heroine and Extroidinary Life out of all the songs ......great CD

Whitesnake's new CD Good To Be Bad ......now that album must be the album of the year, walls of guitars, great songs and incredible production.....brilliant ....old cov is back
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