Revelations's Production/Sound Quality

[Andrew]

It is a smart move I think. Once high quality MP3s are on the web, they are free and the albums won't fly from the shelves.

But...high quality SAMPLES would be a far better way to promote this release!!!

[Rick]

Bitches, Complaint, Fuckin Whineres, music is all the same, either like it or don't buy it. Get a freaking life.

Dude, this is our life.

[Ehwmatt]

Yeah, I never judge an album's production from MySpace clips, radio, or elsewhere. So much is lost in translation (no JSS pun intended for the BIM conspiracy theorists) that you just can't really tell. For example, I've been rocking that radio rip of NWA on my iPod for a few weeks today and when I turned on Cleveland's 98.5 WNCX when I started my car around 6:15 tonight, I almost pissed myself because NWA was playing. Even there, I could hear so much better... I could actually hear Cain's synths and everything was warmer. Just wait for the album and I hope Andrew is right and we get a great sounding album in Revelation.

[strangegrey]

Journey hasn't had a great "sounding" CD since before TBF.

I corrected your statement for you.


The underlying problem is Cavedrunk. He's an awful producer. He can't mix shit in a tin can...

While I think the clips of revelations sounds great...I am reserving final judgment when I get to hear it in person.

[DrFU]

HORRIBLE sound quality; muddy, muted, low-volume...

Is this just a lower bitrate file or is this how the entire
album is gonna sound? I sure as hell hope not.
Anyone know if this is the case???
Any thouhgts?

ALL the samples sound SHITEOUS!!!!!!!!!

It's just the encoding/bitrate/compression.

The finished product will not sound anywhere near what these samples sound like.

Shiteous is a great word.

[Rick]

HORRIBLE sound quality; muddy, muted, low-volume...

Is this just a lower bitrate file or is this how the entire
album is gonna sound? I sure as hell hope not.
Anyone know if this is the case???
Any thouhgts?

ALL the samples sound SHITEOUS!!!!!!!!!

It's just the encoding/bitrate/compression.

The finished product will not sound anywhere near what these samples sound like.

Shiteous is a great word.

Is that pronounced like Righteous or Hideous?

[MarcelJordan]

It is a smart move I think. Once high quality MP3s are on the web, they are free and the albums won't fly from the shelves.

But...high quality SAMPLES would be a far better way to promote this release!!!

I think its J's way of trying to make sure the actual stuff is not released on those torrent sites too early.

[slucero]

Journey hasn't had a great "sounding" CD since before TBF.

I corrected your statement for you.


The underlying problem is Cavedrunk. He's an awful producer. He can't mix shit in a tin can...

While I think the clips of revelations sounds great...I am reserving final judgment when I get to hear it in person.

Funny - I would think an awful producer would have a pretty lousy work history.... when yer resume looks like this, and you post it... I'll actually believe you.... hehe

Led Zeppelin - DVD - Atlantic - M (5.1 & 2.0)
Led Zeppelin - How The West Was Won - Atlantic - M (5.1 & 2.0)
Led Zeppelin - Song Remains The Same - Atlantic - M (5.1 & 2.0)
Aerosmith - Nine Lives - Columbia - P, E, M
Iron Maiden - Brave New World - Portrait / EMI - P, E, M
Iron Maiden - Dance Of Death - Columbia / EMI - P, E, M (5.1 & 2.0)
Iron Maiden - A Matter Of Life And Death - Sanctuary / EMI - P, E, M
Metallica - METALLICA: THE VIDEOS 1989-2004 - Warner Brothers - M (5.1)
Black Crowes - By Your Side - Columbia - P, E, M
Jimmy Page & The Black Crowes - Live at the Greek - TVT Records - P, E, M
Jimmy Page & Robert Plant - No Quarter - Unledded DVD - WarnerVision - M (5.1 & 2.0)
HIM - Deep Shadows And Brilliant Highlights - BMG Finland - P, E, M
Silverchair - frogstomp - Epic - P, E, M
Joe Bonamassa - Sloe Gin - Premier Artists - P, E, M
Joe Bonamassa - You And Me - Premier Artists - P, E, M
Damageplan - Punisher s/track - Wind-Up Records - M (incorrect artwork credit)
Kittie - Funeral For Yesterday - Caroline - M
Black Stone Cherry - Black Stone Cherry - Roadrunner - M
Darkness, The - Get Yr Hands Off My Woman, MF (US single) - Atlantic - M
After The Fall - Always, Forever, Now - Mushroom/Festival - M
Silvertide - Show And Tell - J. Records - P, E, M
Slayer - Reign In Blood: Still Reigning - American - M (5.1 & 2.0)
Span - Mass Distraction - Roadrunner/Island - M
SOiL - Scars - J. Records - M
Journey - Trial By Fire - Columbia - P, E, M
Amanda Marshall - Tuesdays Child - Epic - P, E, M
Divinyls - Under World - BMG - E, M
Our Lady Peace - Happiness...is not a fish - Columbia - M
Rocket from the Crypt - RFTC - Interscope - P, E, M
Rush - Counterparts - Atlantic - E
Dream Theater - Train Of Thought - Elektra - M (5.1 & 2.0)
Dream Theater - Falling Into Infinity - Elektra - P, E, M
Tina Arena - The Flame - The Games Of The XXVII Olympiad - Sony Australia - P, E, M
Soul Asylum - Schools Out (Faculty s/track) - Sony - P, E, M
Dream Theater - Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence - Elektra - M
Little Steven - Born Again Savage - Renegade Nation - M
Billy Joel - Runaway Bride - s/track - Sony Soundtrax - M
Billy Squier - Tell the Truth - Capitol - E, M
Bon Jovi - Crossroads - Polygram - E
Cold Chisel - The Last Wave Of Summer - Mushroom - M
David Kramer - Baboondogs - EMI - P, E, M
Hoodoo Gurus - Blue Cave - Mushroom - M
Iron Maiden - Rock In Rio - Portrait / EMI - P, E, M
Jackyl - Choice Cuts - Geffen - M
Journey - Armageddon s/track - Columbia - P, E, M
Joe Satriani - Engines of Creation - Epic - P, E, M
Angels - Skin and Bone - Shock - M
Baby Animals - Baby Animals - Imago - E, M
Juluka - The Good Hope Concerts - Gallo - E
Lime Spiders - Beethovens Fist - Virgin - P, E
Liquid Tension Experiment - LTE - Magna Carta - M
Olivia Newton-John - Gaia - Festival - M
Screaming Jets - Hits and Pieces - BMG - E, M
Springbok Nude Girls - Surpass the Powers - Sony S.A. - P, E, M
Unband - Retarder - TVT - M
Winston Mankunku - Jika / Crossroads - Avan-Gard - P, E, M

[DrFU]

HORRIBLE sound quality; muddy, muted, low-volume...

Is this just a lower bitrate file or is this how the entire
album is gonna sound? I sure as hell hope not.
Anyone know if this is the case???
Any thouhgts?

ALL the samples sound SHITEOUS!!!!!!!!!

It's just the encoding/bitrate/compression.

The finished product will not sound anywhere near what these samples sound like.

Shiteous is a great word.

Is that pronounced like Righteous or Hideous?

I was thinking B, but in Oz, it might well be A

[Andrew]

Is that pronounced like Righteous or Hideous?

Hideous!!!!!!

[Carlitto H@kk]

Bitches, Complaint, Fuckin Whineres, music is all the same, either like it or don't buy it. Get a freaking life.

Add something constructive or eat a dick...
Your choice, douchebag

[ProgRocker53]

Bitches, Complaint, Fuckin Whineres, music is all the same, either like it or don't buy it. Get a freaking life.

Add something constructive or eat a dick...
Your choice, douchebag

And if you eat a dick, eat mine. Xanthor's been pretty lonely lately.

[Carlitto H@kk]

It is a smart move I think. Once high quality MP3s are on the web, they are free and the albums won't fly from the shelves.

But...high quality SAMPLES would be a far better way to promote this release!!!

Exactlt!
I mean, really...
Neal has lurked/posted on this site long enuff
to know that we diehard, mentally derranged, obsessive, and
completely insane fans here at THE Journey Forum to End All Others
would NOT settle for crap like this!

We want and DEMAND only the best here at MR.Com

[Carlitto H@kk]

Bitches, Complaint, Fuckin Whineres, music is all the same, either like it or don't buy it. Get a freaking life.

Add something constructive or eat a dick...
Your choice, douchebag

And if you eat a dick, eat mine. Xanthor's been pretty lonely lately.

You actually WANT someone to chew on your dick???
That's pretty kinky for a young'un like you

[Rip Rokken]

The page opened and a song by Jorn started playing.
Not I only did I dig the song (never heard Jorn before) but
the production/sound quality was outstanding.

Dude reminds me more than a little bit of Dio in several ways! Riffs, lyrics, and vocal style...

And from the first Journey samples weeks back, I have been concerned about the production on this album. These sound HORRIBLE! But I have a real hard time believing Caveman would put out something this poor sounding, and am thinking surely the finished product will sound much better.

[Moose]

Bitches, Complaint, Fuckin Whineres, music is all the same, either like it or don't buy it. Get a freaking life.

Add something constructive or eat a dick...
Your choice, douchebag

And if you eat a dick, eat mine. Xanthor's been pretty lonely lately.

ewww

[Centaure]

Of course the samples are highly compressed. You can hear that it is not the production sound that sucks but the compression.

BTW, I find it very normal to hear similarities between songs written by the same composer. It happen all the time with film music, even classical music. For exemple, Zimmer sounds like Zimmer, Mozart like Mozart and... Schon like Schon.

[MarcelJordan]

Of course the samples are highly compressed. You can hear that it is not the production sound that sucks but the compression.

BTW, I find it very normal to hear similarities between songs written by the same composer. It happen all the time with film music, even classical music. For exemple, Zimmer sounds like Zimmer, Mozart like Mozart and... Schon like Schon.

Don't forget John Williams.

[Carlitto H@kk]

Of course the samples are highly compressed. You can hear that it is not the production sound that sucks but the compression.

BTW, I find it very normal to hear similarities between songs written by the same composer. It happen all the time with film music, even classical music. For exemple, Zimmer sounds like Zimmer, Mozart like Mozart and... Schon like Schon.

Don't forget John Williams.

Yea,
It's kinda wierd how soundtracks like A New Hope,
The Empire Strikes Back, Return of the Jedi, Attack of the Clones
and Revenge of the Sith all seem to sound alike!
I swear, he just keeps using the same riffs over and over again

[MarcelJordan]

Of course the samples are highly compressed. You can hear that it is not the production sound that sucks but the compression.

BTW, I find it very normal to hear similarities between songs written by the same composer. It happen all the time with film music, even classical music. For exemple, Zimmer sounds like Zimmer, Mozart like Mozart and... Schon like Schon.

Don't forget John Williams.

Yea,
It's kinda wierd how soundtracks like A New Hope,
The Empire Strikes Back, Return of the Jedi, Attack of the Clones
and Revenge of the Sith all seem to sound alike!
I swear, he just keeps using the same riffs over and over again

ooookay. I was thinking more on the Superman theme and the above.

[Carlitto H@kk]

Of course the samples are highly compressed. You can hear that it is not the production sound that sucks but the compression.

BTW, I find it very normal to hear similarities between songs written by the same composer. It happen all the time with film music, even classical music. For exemple, Zimmer sounds like Zimmer, Mozart like Mozart and... Schon like Schon.

Don't forget John Williams.

Yea,
It's kinda wierd how soundtracks like A New Hope,
The Empire Strikes Back, Return of the Jedi, Attack of the Clones
and Revenge of the Sith all seem to sound alike!
I swear, he just keeps using the same riffs over and over again

ooookay. I was thinking more on the Superman theme and the above.

I know what you're saying.
I just couldn't resist...
Star Wars, Superman, RotLA... you can here similarities.

[MarcelJordan]

Of course the samples are highly compressed. You can hear that it is not the production sound that sucks but the compression.

BTW, I find it very normal to hear similarities between songs written by the same composer. It happen all the time with film music, even classical music. For exemple, Zimmer sounds like Zimmer, Mozart like Mozart and... Schon like Schon.

Don't forget John Williams.

Yea,
It's kinda wierd how soundtracks like A New Hope,
The Empire Strikes Back, Return of the Jedi, Attack of the Clones
and Revenge of the Sith all seem to sound alike!
I swear, he just keeps using the same riffs over and over again

ooookay. I was thinking more on the Superman theme and the above.

I know what you're saying.
I just couldn't resist...
Star Wars, Superman, RotLA... you can here similarities.

No probs.

[Andrew]

And from the first Journey samples weeks back, I have been concerned about the production on this album. These sound HORRIBLE! But I have a real hard time believing Caveman would put out something this poor sounding, and am thinking surely the finished product will sound much better.

I have heard a couple of full blown mastered CD quality tracks. Never Walk Away nearly blew my speakers apart and Deen's drumming was the best I have heard since Hardline. Thunderous.

[Jeremey]

I don't think anyone's going to be bitching about sound quality on the final released disc!

All the compressed files, including those sent out in advance were part of the bigger "lockdown" picture on this disc.

[Saint John]

I have heard a couple of full blown mastered CD quality tracks. Never Walk Away nearly blew my speakers apart and Deen's drumming was the best I have heard since Hardline. Thunderous.

[Escape Artist]

And from the first Journey samples weeks back, I have been concerned about the production on this album. These sound HORRIBLE! But I have a real hard time believing Caveman would put out something this poor sounding, and am thinking surely the finished product will sound much better.

I have heard a couple of full blown mastered CD quality tracks. Never Walk Away nearly blew my speakers apart and Deen's drumming was the best I have heard since Hardline. Thunderous.

Now that is something to get excited about... this CD is gonna surprise some people!

[Rhiannon]

I have heard a couple of full blown mastered CD quality tracks. Never Walk Away nearly blew my speakers apart and Deen's drumming was the best I have heard since Hardline. Thunderous.

Ooh. F'in yay, man.

[Red13JoePa]

But the sound quality I've heard is actually
worse than Generations...

To me, listening to both in headphones, the sound quality of Generations obliterates Arrival.
Sounds like the these tracks have the Shirley muddiness of Arrival.

Frank: "Cavedrunk"

[fightingilliniJRNY]

And from the first Journey samples weeks back, I have been concerned about the production on this album. These sound HORRIBLE! But I have a real hard time believing Caveman would put out something this poor sounding, and am thinking surely the finished product will sound much better.

I have heard a couple of full blown mastered CD quality tracks. Never Walk Away nearly blew my speakers apart and Deen's drumming was the best I have heard since Hardline. Thunderous.

[Arkansas]

Neal's guitar does sound very similar to Believe In Me.
The backing vocals sound like they were ripped straight from Be Good To Yourself.
And the drums are flat as usual. That's my biggest pet peeve. When is Deen's snare gonna get some crunchy pop & thunder? When are the toms going to get some full melodic definition? Deen is such a great drummer and he needs to have his talent showcased a little better than wet cardboard thumping in the background. From what I've heard so far, all his drums are muddy and flat. And that is just wrong. I consider it a production failure.


later~