"Revelation" should hit 80k (40k units) first week

[DrFU]

Entering at #4 or 5, according to a message from Neal to the mod on the official site...

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I cannot listen to Country music. Not even todays Country. There's a twangy, 'sing about ordinary life problems like a simpleton with shit in my mouth and call it music' thing going on that I can't get past.

Not to mention that a woman always breaks some poor hillbilly's heart. For just once, I'd like to hear a country song where a guy has 4 girlfriends on the side, gets drunk and tunes up his wife once in a while, wins the lottery and leaves the bitch. That might make me listen, but Jesus H. Christ I'm tired of some redneck with a drawl whining over some skinny, barefoot bitch that left him.

[7 Wishes]

I'm totally on board with Dave and Dan on this one (that's starting to happen more often these days...uh, oh). With very, very few exceptions, country music is filled to the brim with talentless hacks who couldn't "make it" in any other genre, moved to Nashville, learned four chords on a $69 acoustic Lyon from Wal-Mart, and managed to get some schmo with a few bucks and a recording studio to allow them to record their off-key caterwauling and pawn it on to a music-purchasing audience that has the collective I.Q. of a brain-damaged snail. Awful.

[Red13JoePa]

Entering at #4 or 5, according to a message from Neal to the mod on the official site...

TREAT!!!!!!!!

[ProgRocker53]

What did The Eagles do?
Something like 200k+ the first week?


later~

The Eagles are not a rock band by any stretch so the comparison is not really valid. They are a great pop band, but their live dvd proved that beyond any doubt that they are not rockers...zzzzzzzz I would expect a main stream pop band like the Eagles to outsell a more rock type of outfit. Granted, Journey ain't Van Halen, but the Eagles are to rock what Cheeze Whiz is to Bleu des Causses. Jesus...the Eagles?!?!?! WTF is that about? People sip wine and chew croissants when they go to an Eagles concert...Mali- freakin'- bu....

The Eagles have been country with a leaning toward rock, but their Walmart release was a straight up soft country album. These days, seems like country outsells rock overall.

You got that right. Country actually sounds like 80's rock and that is where the best musicians can be heard.

Bullshit on both counts. Song structure may be similar to 80's pop rock but there's no way it sounds the same, apart from a few songs here and there.

Best musicians? I call MAJOR bullshit there. Good musicians, yes, but great? Nope.

[ProgRocker53]

I'm totally on board with Dave and Dan on this one (that's starting to happen more often these days...uh, oh). With very, very few exceptions, country music is filled to the brim with talentless hacks who couldn't "make it" in any other genre, moved to Nashville, learned four chords on a $69 acoustic Lyon from Wal-Mart, and managed to get some schmo with a few bucks and a recording studio to allow them to record their off-key caterwauling and pawn it on to a music-purchasing audience that has the collective I.Q. of a brain-damaged snail. Awful.

So freakin' true dude, SO true!

There are a few exceptions however.... Brad Paisley's legit, for one, and I've always respected Vince Gill. Then you have classic acts like Alabama and Sawyer Brown whose work has held up enough for me to enjoy even today.

[The_Noble_Cause]

Entering at #4 or 5, according to a message from Neal to the mod on the official site...

The album is certainly deserving of it.
I just hope most buyers gave Disc 1 a fair shot, and didn't just want the hits.
It remains to be seen if Journey will be able to parlay this success into further hits unattached to the classics.
Didn't Jeremey or someone say this WMart deal is once and done?

[Allied Forces]

Keep in mind that with soundscan, many albums debut very high and are still considered unsuccessful. A good debut week is great if that happens, but sustaining it is the key. I'm fairly certain that without the Walmart deal, this would have been a blip on the radar. I think the Eagles set the new business model. Unfortunately, they also where the ones to first clip $100 ticket prices as well.

[STORY_TELLER]

Didn't Jeremey or someone say this WMart deal is once and done?

I don't think anything is declared a one time deal until after the finances are tallied. If Journey were to magically pull Eagles numbers, Walmart would be all over them for a second deal. Of course, I seriously doubt Journey will sustain the sales they'll find in their first week out. Touring will be key in this regard. That always moves albums. To that end, they REALLY need to showcase the new material on the tour.

I wonder if Revelation will be available for sale at the shows or if it's only available in Walmart?

[Saint John]

Bullshit on both counts. Song structure may be similar to 80's pop rock but there's no way it sounds the same, apart from a few songs here and there.

Best musicians? I call MAJOR bullshit there. Good musicians, yes, but great? Nope.

I think the poster meant that within 80's rock you can find the best musicians. You disagree? And I quote "like 80's rock and that is where the best musicians can be heard." I totally agree with what the poster said.

[ProgRocker53]

Bullshit on both counts. Song structure may be similar to 80's pop rock but there's no way it sounds the same, apart from a few songs here and there.

Best musicians? I call MAJOR bullshit there. Good musicians, yes, but great? Nope.

I think the poster meant that within 80's rock you can find the best musicians. You disagree? And I quote "like 80's rock and that is where the best musicians can be heard." I totally agree with what the poster said.

WHOA. If he meant that 80s rock is where you can find the best musicians, then my blatant disagreement is far less.

I read it as him saying that COUNTRY music had the best musicians. LOL.

ANYWAY, yeah, melodic and progressive rock BY FAR have the best musicians, singers, and songwriters of all rock music genres.

[strangegrey]

Best musicians? I call MAJOR bullshit there. Good musicians, yes, but great? Nope.

Absofuckinglutely. not... sorry, bullshit's on you.

It's not just how fast you can wank off an arpeggio underneath some ass puckering James Labrie vocals....

A *good* musician knows how to play several forms of music, WELL....and not sound like a prog dork that listened to rush and yes his whole childhood....

Sorry, some of the most versatile studio musicians live in nashville. One day, they're recording tracks for a Carrie Underwood CD, the next, they're ghosting parts on a megadeth CD and in-between sessions, they're writing songs and jingles to be shipped to everywhere from major networks to video game manufacturers to major label artists not in country.

Sorry...the time of the ass wankering guitarist died with the second bad english CD. Time to wake up and move into a decade more suited to your age...

[7 Wishes]

Sorry, some of the most versatile studio musicians live in nashville. One day, they're recording tracks for a Carrie Underwood CD, the next, they're ghosting parts on a megadeth CD and in-between sessions, they're writing songs and jingles to be shipped to everywhere from major networks to video game manufacturers to major label artists not in country.

Name ONE. Perhaps someone who has crossed boundaries and genres as much as, say, Schon. The bullshit is all over you right now, dude.

[ProgRocker53]

Best musicians? I call MAJOR bullshit there. Good musicians, yes, but great? Nope.

Absofuckinglutely. not... sorry, bullshit's on you.

It's not just how fast you can wank off an arpeggio underneath some ass puckering James Labrie vocals....

A *good* musician knows how to play several forms of music, WELL....and not sound like a prog dork that listened to rush and yes his whole childhood....

Sorry, some of the most versatile studio musicians live in nashville. One day, they're recording tracks for a Carrie Underwood CD, the next, they're ghosting parts on a megadeth CD and in-between sessions, they're writing songs and jingles to be shipped to everywhere from major networks to video game manufacturers to major label artists not in country.

Sorry...the time of the ass wankering guitarist died with the second bad english CD. Time to wake up and move into a decade more suited to your age...

1. If you think progressive music is all about wanking off arpeggios underneath vocals similar to LaBrie's, you're dead wrong.

2. If you think I'm ALL about progressive music, you're dead wrong.

3. Yeah, country session musicians are SO impressive. It must be so creatively uplifting to lay down the same weepy steel guitar tracks, C/D/G7 progressions, and write the same mundane material about redneck life every day. Please, provide me with a roster list with samples of at least 20 of these so-called versatile musicians whose material is all over the place.. and tell me why and how they're superior to proven artists and performers within melodic/progressive rock and beyond. I know of Leland Sklar so you can save yourself that one.

4. "The time of," what, so trends matter when it comes to the musical ability of a performer?

5. "Wake up and move into a decade more suited into your age." What the hell kind of generalization is that, captain? Seriously? It's almost as if you're saying once people reach a certain age they MUST enjoy a certain type of music. I don't think I need to tell you how ignorant that is.

6. I see the quality of an artist/performer/band as one who puts their soul and effort into creating a piece of music that is THEIRS, something they feel... and not bumping around random studios laying down blues-scale-in-G, four-on-the-floor recycled bullshit over some pop-tart disguised-as-the-girl-next-door wailing out lyrics about pickup trucks to be mass-consumed by the mainstream middle-American zombies. Where's the art in that, seriously? Nothing against the folks that do that but... seriously dude.

Oh and before you come in saying that I'm generalizing about country:

A) You made a HUGE generalization about prog that's nowhere near true, that's a form of music much bigger and expansive than country too

and

B) I grew up listening to country, mainstream and non-mainstream.. and seriously... there's more dreck in country than any other genre other than rap..

[JrnySuxBalls]

Best musicians? I call MAJOR bullshit there. Good musicians, yes, but great? Nope.

Absofuckinglutely. not... sorry, bullshit's on you.

It's not just how fast you can wank off an arpeggio underneath some ass puckering James Labrie vocals....

A *good* musician knows how to play several forms of music, WELL....and not sound like a prog dork that listened to rush and yes his whole childhood....

Sorry, some of the most versatile studio musicians live in nashville. One day, they're recording tracks for a Carrie Underwood CD, the next, they're ghosting parts on a megadeth CD and in-between sessions, they're writing songs and jingles to be shipped to everywhere from major networks to video game manufacturers to major label artists not in country.

Sorry...the time of the ass wankering guitarist died with the second bad english CD. Time to wake up and move into a decade more suited to your age...

I call bullshit on both of you. There are talented players in every genre, comparing them is kind of irrelevant. Apples & oranges. That said, there's also poseur fakiness in both genres as well. There are lame prog bands, and fake tears on the CMAs.

[Franky]

Man I LOVE the new album,... it surprised me in a positive way. Arnels voice is so unbelievable close to Steve ... I enjoyed listening to every new track.
Imagine Steve singing the new Journey songs under the shower .... I could imagine that

[Glenn]

Entering at #4 or 5, according to a message from Neal to the mod on the official site...

The album is certainly deserving of it.
I just hope most buyers gave Disc 1 a fair shot, and didn't just want the hits.
It remains to be seen if Journey will be able to parlay this success into further hits unattached to the classics.
Didn't Jeremey or someone say this WMart deal is once and done?

If this thing goes well, and it's off to a good start, then it would seem logical to do it again next time around.

I can't think of a good reason why NOT to work with Wal-Mart again.

[Andrew]

More chart info on frontpage now.

[Rick]

More chart info on frontpage now.

Thanks boss.

When will they show up in the list over on Billboard?

[Andrew]

More chart info on frontpage now.

Thanks boss.

When will they show up in the list over on Billboard?

Friday or Sat....

[marco17]

More chart info on frontpage now.

Are these numbers based on what physically was purchased and walked out the door, or what WalMart shipped the first week? Just curious, I don't know a lot about this, but am not surprised that it is doing decent. The WalMart machine is stronger than any record company these days.

[brywool]

Keep in mind that with soundscan, many albums debut very high and are still considered unsuccessful. A good debut week is great if that happens, but sustaining it is the key. I'm fairly certain that without the Walmart deal, this would have been a blip on the radar. I think the Eagles set the new business model. Unfortunately, they also where the ones to first clip $100 ticket prices as well.

Speaking of The Eagles- I found their new album to be EXTREMELY dull. Anybody else like it?

[Barb]

More chart info on frontpage now.

Thanks boss.

When will they show up in the list over on Billboard?

Thursday in the US

[MarcelJordan]

Keep in mind that with soundscan, many albums debut very high and are still considered unsuccessful. A good debut week is great if that happens, but sustaining it is the key. I'm fairly certain that without the Walmart deal, this would have been a blip on the radar. I think the Eagles set the new business model. Unfortunately, they also where the ones to first clip $100 ticket prices as well.

Speaking of The Eagles- I found their new album to be EXTREMELY dull. Anybody else like it?

I heard the samples at Amazon. Agree with you. Dull is putting it lightly though.

[Andrew]

More chart info on frontpage now.

Are these numbers based on what physically was purchased and walked out the door, or what WalMart shipped the first week? Just curious, I don't know a lot about this, but am not surprised that it is doing decent. The WalMart machine is stronger than any record company these days.

Out the door sales. I believe 300,000 units+ were shipped into stores.

[Saint John]

I believe 300,000 units+ were shipped into stores.

They'll be gone by tour's end.

[RedWingFan]

I believe 300,000 units+ were shipped into stores.

They'll be gone by tour's end.

Did you get your tickets to the Detroit show yet? Oh yeah, by the way another stellar prediction with the Penguins!

[Saint John]

Did you get your tickets to the Detroit show yet?

No, but I will be there. Hopefully with Tito.

[Monstrock]

More chart info on frontpage now.

Are these numbers based on what physically was purchased and walked out the door, or what WalMart shipped the first week? Just curious, I don't know a lot about this, but am not surprised that it is doing decent. The WalMart machine is stronger than any record company these days.

Out the door sales. I believe 300,000 units+ were shipped into stores.

Drew, the 300,0000 units shipped are only for Europe ? If not, how many units then were shipped for the Euros?

[Saint John]

More chart info on frontpage now.

Are these numbers based on what physically was purchased and walked out the door, or what WalMart shipped the first week? Just curious, I don't know a lot about this, but am not surprised that it is doing decent. The WalMart machine is stronger than any record company these days.

Out the door sales. I believe 300,000 units+ were shipped into stores.

Drew, the 300,0000 units shipped are only for Europe ? If not, how many units then were shipped for the Euros?

300,000 to Wal Mart locations, dude. Frontiers is the Euro label.