Schon Wishing He'd Known Arnel 15 Years Ago.....Imagine

[mikemarrs]

Schon Wishing He'd Known Arnel 15 Years Ago....

imagine if neal and the band actually would've discovered arnel back in 1993 or so and would've gave perry the pink slip and arnel took the reins as lead vocalist.do you think journey would've continued on a streak of platinum albums and tours or would they have eventually slipped into the lower rungs of the charts as a once mighty but not so strong band?

[kgdjpubs]

Schon Wishing He'd Known Arnel 15 Years Ago....

imagine if neal and the band actually would've discovered arnel back in 1993 or so and would've gave perry the pink slip and arnel took the reins as lead vocalist.do you think journey would've continued on a streak of platinum albums and tours or would they have eventually slipped into the lower rungs of the charts as a once mighty but not so strong band?

if Journey did anything in '93, it would have been with Kevin Chalfant who was unofficially, offically part of the band....and Chalfant claims to have several songs written during the six-man lineup of the 1993-95 era.

Honestly, from what I've heard, I don't think Arnel was ready for Journey 15 years ago. Great singer for sure, but listening to a few of the old videos compared to now, he's improved dramatically in that time.

Journey coming back in 1993 wouldn't have mattered as the music scene was dramatically changing. 1989-91 would have been the time to come back. By 1993-95, even Bon Jovi was having trouble surviving in the US. By '96 when TBF came out, things had slowly started to change back.

[The Sushi Hunter]

If Schon (or any other Journey member) wants to see Arnel in a live performance in Cal Jams, they are welcome to contact me and I can arrange to have some of the footage for them to watch, that is if they actually read this forum which I strongly have my doubts. I have been saying this the entire time, that I wish someone like Journey would have seen and heard Arnel live back in the late 80`s. It is sad to me that it took 20 + years for Arnel to be discovered. And the entire band of AMO was all outstanding performers and musicians. Watching them perform live back then, you had to ask why are they not huge superstars already.

Now had they seen Arnel back in the late 80`s, I seriously doubt that they would have wanted Perry out. Impossible, at best, they would have looked at Arnel as a very serious competitor. If they could tell the future by looking in a crystal ball and know that Perry would leave the band eventually, then perhaps they may have considered Arnel.

[Moon Beam]

Schon Wishing He'd Known Arnel 15 Years Ago....

imagine if neal and the band actually would've discovered arnel back in 1993 or so and would've gave perry the pink slip and arnel took the reins as lead vocalist.do you think journey would've continued on a streak of platinum albums and tours or would they have eventually slipped into the lower rungs of the charts as a once mighty but not so strong band?

Naw, think I'll pass on this thought.
When You Love A Woman, It's Just The Rain and Easy To Fall were wowly for me.
They lost the Grammy to a posthumous release of a band dead for 27 years.
Yes I'm still sulking.

[wednesday's child]

In 1983, the American fanbase would have had a much more negative reaction to Arnel
than what was initially seen, even right here on MR. Arnel is the beneficiary of a confluence
of events, changes, the passage of time, and the work put in by a lot of people.

wech

[Rhiannon]

When You Love A Woman, It's Just The Rain and Easy To Fall were wowly for me.

Don't forget Message of Love, One More, and If He Should Break Your Heart!!! ...Now, after the first four or five tracks, I'm out. I need some Nine Inch Nails or Seether to recover from listening to anything else on TBF.

[stevew2]

Schon Wishing He'd Known Arnel 15 Years Ago....

imagine if neal and the band actually would've discovered arnel back in 1993 or so and would've gave perry the pink slip and arnel took the reins as lead vocalist.do you think journey would've continued on a streak of platinum albums and tours or would they have eventually slipped into the lower rungs of the charts as a once mighty but not so strong band?

His voice would have been fried by 1995

[STORY_TELLER]

Two things:
1. Journey would have sunk its ship in 1993 along with most melodic rock groups, because Grunge was starting its climb to the top (if it wasn't already there). That Journey went out while still having a measure of popularity (ROR days) helped them in the long run. Had they gone out as a casualty of Grunge as most did, it's doubtful they would be where they are now. Journey actually benefited from being gone as long as it was. It allowed people to miss them and the GH's CD brought new fans who weren't around for their heyday and wanted to see them live. Sort of the same effect Star Trek had by going off the air and only being around in reruns for so many years. It made their fan base ravenous for more.

2. More importantly, Arnel is benefitting from not being the first vocalist to replace Perry. Those who comprise the section of the fan base still buying albums, have had plenty of time to adjust to a Perryless Journey. Augeri bore the brunt of the scorn and the sailing will be much smoother for Arnel as a result. Lead singer changes rarely work in a popular band. It's not the norm if it does, its the exception. I doubt an Arnel fronted Journey would have been as easy a pill to swallow in 1993, regardless of his talent.

[mikemarrs]

great points you made there.not being a casualty of grunge and already being gone from the scene before it hit helped journey plus they were already laying low then the market swung back in its favor around '96 which is when they struck again with a new album much like kiss did with a reunion tour and both them and journey reastablished themselves after lean years and a tour could've been huge but of course that never came to pass sadly.

the only older band i know in '93 that had an kind of decent success was aerosmith with get a grip but they were an exception then not the norm and were the only band at the time not really affected by the whole grunge movement.

[STORY_TELLER]

great points you made there.not being a casualty of grunge and already being gone from the scene before it hit helped journey plus they were already laying low then the market swung back in its favor around '96 which is when they struck again with a new album much like kiss did with a reunion tour and both them and journey reastablished themselves after lean years and a tour could've been huge but of course that never came to pass sadly.

the only older band i know in '93 that had an kind of decent success was aerosmith with get a grip but they were an exception then not the norm and were the only band at the time not really affected by the whole grunge movement.

You're forgeting Bon Jovi (Keep the Faith).

[journeypower]

it would've been better if he was discovered 10 years ago. the time when they were looking for a replacement singer for Perry. or right after Steve A.'s reign. atleast the Rockstar story would fit in. no offense to JSS and his minions.

[The Sushi Hunter]

I think grung was the ultimate worst thing that ever happened with music during my lifetime thus far besides Yoko Ono putting out records.

[LtVanish]

Schon Wishing He'd Known Arnel 15 Years Ago....

imagine if neal and the band actually would've discovered arnel back in 1993 or so and would've gave perry the pink slip and arnel took the reins as lead vocalist.do you think journey would've continued on a streak of platinum albums and tours or would they have eventually slipped into the lower rungs of the charts as a once mighty but not so strong band?

if Journey did anything in '93, it would have been with Kevin Chalfant who was unofficially, offically part of the band....and Chalfant claims to have several songs written during the six-man lineup of the 1993-95 era.

Honestly, from what I've heard, I don't think Arnel was ready for Journey 15 years ago. Great singer for sure, but listening to a few of the old videos compared to now, he's improved dramatically in that time.

Journey coming back in 1993 wouldn't have mattered as the music scene was dramatically changing. 1989-91 would have been the time to come back. By 1993-95, even Bon Jovi was having trouble surviving in the US. By '96 when TBF came out, things had slowly started to change back.

Then "The Storm" would of never happened. I still listen to the first "The Storm" album quite often, it is a gem.

[The_Noble_Cause]

if Journey did anything in '93, it would have been with Kevin Chalfant who was unofficially, offically part of the band....and Chalfant claims to have several songs written during the six-man lineup of the 1993-95 era.

Not capitalizing on this lineup is the biggest mistake in Journey history.

[kgdjpubs]

Schon Wishing He'd Known Arnel 15 Years Ago....

imagine if neal and the band actually would've discovered arnel back in 1993 or so and would've gave perry the pink slip and arnel took the reins as lead vocalist.do you think journey would've continued on a streak of platinum albums and tours or would they have eventually slipped into the lower rungs of the charts as a once mighty but not so strong band?

if Journey did anything in '93, it would have been with Kevin Chalfant who was unofficially, offically part of the band....and Chalfant claims to have several songs written during the six-man lineup of the 1993-95 era.

Honestly, from what I've heard, I don't think Arnel was ready for Journey 15 years ago. Great singer for sure, but listening to a few of the old videos compared to now, he's improved dramatically in that time.

Journey coming back in 1993 wouldn't have mattered as the music scene was dramatically changing. 1989-91 would have been the time to come back. By 1993-95, even Bon Jovi was having trouble surviving in the US. By '96 when TBF came out, things had slowly started to change back.

Then "The Storm" would of never happened. I still listen to the first "The Storm" album quite often, it is a gem.

The dates might be a little off on when this happened, but Chalfant performed in '93 for the Herbie roast. The 2nd Storm album Eye of the Storm was done by late '93-early '94, but sat on the shelves a long time before being released in 1996. My guess is that before, or shortly after the Herbie show, Journey was a fully functioning band with Chalfant and Rolie. Basically, The Storm's existence wasn't affected.

[Saint John]

if Journey did anything in '93, it would have been with Kevin Chalfant who was unofficially, offically part of the band....and Chalfant claims to have several songs written during the six-man lineup of the 1993-95 era.

Not capitalizing on this lineup is the biggest mistake in Journey history.

Agreed. I don't blame them one bit for reuniting with Steve Swafford because it's what the fans wanted. What I do blame them for is not having him sign a contract committing to a tour. They should have also seen through his "divide and conquer" bullshit starting with the firing of Herbie.