OT-Nugent comments right to bear arms

[Tito]

Accident? Do you really buy that? Twelve ordinary Americans serving as jurors obviously did not. See the $20 million verdict:

http://www.morelaw.com/verdicts/case.as ... 20&d=28711

Wasn't on the jury and am not that familiar with this particular case. Juries have been known to screw up and/or give outlandish settlements before. Either way, you can't tell me it wasn't at least partially the illegals fault for being someplace he wasn't supposed to be. $20 million dollar settlement is outrageous. Especially for someone who would probably make no more than 20 thousand (if that) in a year.

[Tito]

It's obviously far too late to forbid gun possession in this country. But the NRA and their fervent supporters also stand in the way of sensible gun control, which makes perfect sense and reduces the crime rate. It's just ignorant and stupid.

There are already sensible gun laws on the books. What other laws do you want?

[S2M]

Which amounts to 300 children a year who WOULD NOT DIE if there were gun laws.

Get a life, Tito.

I see both sides here... but let me say I think big picture the idea is you can't put laws and bans and restrictions on everything to try and prevent every possible thing that can go wrong. There has to be a balance. How about this fact...: everyone who has ever breathed oxygen has died. True story. So using the rationale on "gun control", sounds as if we should be very concerned about air. (I know the ridiculousness of that statement, btw... just trying to put some perspective on thought process.)

Warning! Warning! Weak Analogy alert!!!!

[Barb]

It's obviously far too late to forbid gun possession in this country. But the NRA and their fervent supporters also stand in the way of sensible gun control, which makes perfect sense and reduces the crime rate. It's just ignorant and stupid.

Except that criminals don't really give a crap about gun control laws. This particular topic is one that I don't have very much passion about. I live in California, don't have a gun, don't want a gun and have never been around guns. However, I believe people have a right to own guns if that is their choice.

The problem isn't guns, IMO. The problem is the dumbing down of this country and the people who are literally too stupid to own and operate a weapon responsibly. These same people probably shouldn't be driving either.

[Tito]

Stop veering off-topic. Look at the statistics. Access to guns means people in this country are four times as likely to commit murder than in Great Britain.

Try to stay on course, Tito, instead of trying to change the course of the thread by delving into the irrelevant.

If you don't think gangs (who commit most these crimes) will not get guns if they are illegal, you are naive and in denial. If anything it will empower them more by 1. de-arm citizens, 2. give them another source of revenue like drug trafficing. Now, they will have another multi-million dollar source of revenue by gun trafficing. We see how well they follow the drug laws and other laws.

[Rhiannon]

Which amounts to 300 children a year who WOULD NOT DIE if there were gun laws.

Get a life, Tito.

I see both sides here... but let me say I think big picture the idea is you can't put laws and bans and restrictions on everything to try and prevent every possible thing that can go wrong. There has to be a balance. How about this fact...: everyone who has ever breathed oxygen has died. True story. So using the rationale on "gun control", sounds as if we should be very concerned about air. (I know the ridiculousness of that statement, btw... just trying to put some perspective on thought process.)

Warning! Warning! Weak Analogy alert!!!!

It's the same dogma application... "all that harms must be controlled"... cigarettes, alcohol, guns, cyanide... air. All "facts" are theories, especially in this discussion, so therefore the rules of logic don't apply. The only thing that can keep children safe from guns is: PARENTAL PRESENCE.

As for the grown-ups... as long as guns exist, people will die by them. And that's truth.

[S2M]

I've heard all these arguments before...in college.

Once someone brought up knives. Saying knives kill people too, why don't we ban them. I quickly countered that it is a question of 'Utility'. A knive's MAIN purpose isn't to 'kill' people. The killing is secondary to the real use, which is to aid in eating.

A gun's main, and only purpose is to hurt, maim, and kill.....that is why they should be controlled. Plain and simple.

[Tito]

I've heard all these arguments before...in college.

Once someone brought up knives. Saying knives kill people too, why don't we ban them. I quickly countered that it is a question of 'Utility'. A knive's MAIN purpose isn't to 'kill' people. The killing is secondary to the real use, which is to aid in eating.

A gun's main, and only purpose is to hurt, maim, and kill.....that is why they should be controlled. Plain and simple.

Technically, a gun is for eating too - hunting.

[Rhiannon]

I've heard all these arguments before...in college.

Once someone brought up knives. Saying knives kill people too, why don't we ban them. I quickly countered that it is a question of 'Utility'. A knive's MAIN purpose isn't to 'kill' people. The killing is secondary to the real use, which is to aid in eating.

A gun's main, and only purpose is to hurt, maim, and kill.....that is why they should be controlled. Plain and simple.

So are you suggesting we fight our wars and defend ourselves from harm with... Jet-Puffed Marshmallows?

[S2M]

I've heard all these arguments before...in college.

Once someone brought up knives. Saying knives kill people too, why don't we ban them. I quickly countered that it is a question of 'Utility'. A knive's MAIN purpose isn't to 'kill' people. The killing is secondary to the real use, which is to aid in eating.

A gun's main, and only purpose is to hurt, maim, and kill.....that is why they should be controlled. Plain and simple.

Technically, a gun is for eating too - hunting.

Hunting is a euphemism for killing an unarmed animal.....man it must make Nuge and his ilk really tough killing an unarmed moose....Yayyyyyy, team!!!!

[slucero]

I've heard all these arguments before...in college.

Once someone brought up knives. Saying knives kill people too, why don't we ban them. I quickly countered that it is a question of 'Utility'. A knive's MAIN purpose isn't to 'kill' people. The killing is secondary to the real use, which is to aid in eating.

A gun's main, and only purpose is to hurt, maim, and kill.....that is why they should be controlled. Plain and simple.

Technically, a gun is for eating too - hunting.

unless its a "Target gun"...

[Rick]

I've heard all these arguments before...in college.

Once someone brought up knives. Saying knives kill people too, why don't we ban them. I quickly countered that it is a question of 'Utility'. A knive's MAIN purpose isn't to 'kill' people. The killing is secondary to the real use, which is to aid in eating.

A gun's main, and only purpose is to hurt, maim, and kill.....that is why they should be controlled. Plain and simple.

Technically, a gun is for eating too - hunting.

Hunting is a euphemism for killing an unarmed animal.....man it must make Nuge and his ilk really tough killing an unarmed moose....Yayyyyyy, team!!!!

I guess there's some kind of fulfillment in killing your own food. I'm not sure there's any other way to do it except a gun or a bow. You'd have to be a tough bastard to take one down with your bare hands.

[Michigan Girl]

I'm crying!!!!

[7 Wishes]

And so another thread dies, just as the facts become too much to bear.

[Natalie]

And so another thread dies, just as the facts become too much to bear.

You are such a troublemaker!!

[7 Wishes]

I fully understand (although philosophically disagree with) the idea that Americans should have the right to bear arms (in other words, it's 200 years too late to create a safe society i.e. that of Great Britain). What I don't understand is the reluctance of some to have full gun control laws (i.e. to register every weapon nationally). If you have nothing to hide, what are you afraid of? The AWF breaking down the doors of your militia headquarters because they know you only own 456 assault rifles? Give me a break. There is NO GOOD REASON to not have HIGHLY REGULATED GUN CONTROL LAWS and register every single type of gun that is produced.

[conversationpc]

What I don't understand is the reluctance of some to have full gun control laws (i.e. to register every weapon nationally). If you have nothing to hide, what are you afraid of?

There is no reason the government should have a registry of gun purchased by law-abiding gun owners. The only thing that does is make it easy for them to confiscate the weapons when it becomes popular to do so. Every state should have background checks and, in my opinion, a short waiting period before a firearm can be purchased. Other than that, the only thing that major restrictions accomplish is to make it too difficult or, in some cases, nearly impossible for law-abiding citizens to obtain a gun.

[conversationpc]

Hunting is a euphemism for killing an unarmed animal.....man it must make Nuge and his ilk really tough killing an unarmed moose....Yayyyyyy, team!!!!

I guess there's some kind of fulfillment in killing your own food. I'm not sure there's any other way to do it except a gun or a bow. You'd have to be a tough bastard to take one down with your bare hands.

From what I understand, all the food consumed on Nugent's property is either grown or killed there. THAT'S responsibility.

[Tito]

I fully understand (although philosophically disagree with) the idea that Americans should have the right to bear arms (in other words, it's 200 years too late to create a safe society i.e. that of Great Britain). What I don't understand is the reluctance of some to have full gun control laws (i.e. to register every weapon nationally). If you have nothing to hide, what are you afraid of? The AWF breaking down the doors of your militia headquarters because they know you only own 456 assault rifles? Give me a break. There is NO GOOD REASON to not have HIGHLY REGULATED GUN CONTROL LAWS and register every single type of gun that is produced.

I do NOT trust the government at any level. Why give someone that much power over you. Not just for guns but for any issue.

[Tito]

As far as the government WON'T come to your house and seize your guns.

http://newsgroups.derkeiler.com/Archive ... 04050.html

Cops killed with guns:

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.c ... 636D40.DTL

http://www.policeone.com/weapon-retenti ... es/100228/

No self defense and NOT killed by guns:

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/loca ... 8175.story

[NunYoBusiness]

I own a gun, but no control in America is beyond stupid.

Ted Nugent is a fuckin' nut. He really shouldn't be around guns or sharp objects.

Do you live in Tennessee or Massachusetts?

I live in Massachusetts, and believe that any sane person has the right to have protection in their home. I also believe there should be a means of controling who get's them and what you can buy. Living in Massachusetts has nothing to do with just one outlook on things, I do not believe in the 2 party system we go by in this country, I am niether liberal nor conservative (nor am I middle of the road for that matter) and I do not choose my candidate simply because my family has been one or the other for generations. I choose any one I vote for on facts not on fictions created by the media. The internet has helped in that aspect, We can all now choose someone based on their record. Which is easy to look up. Oh and Nugent is a nut, sad really because I saw him many times live, I lost interest in him when he started spewing his political rants. Just play the music man, don't be upset by this post either I've been known to rant myself a good tap in the back of the scull sets me right again.

[Rick]

I own a gun, but no control in America is beyond stupid.

Ted Nugent is a fuckin' nut. He really shouldn't be around guns or sharp objects.

Do you live in Tennessee or Massachusetts?

I live in Massachusetts, and believe that any sane person has the right to have protection in their home. I also believe there should be a means of controling who get's them and what you can buy. Living in Massachusetts has nothing to do with just one outlook on things, I do not believe in the 2 party system we go by in this country, I am neither liberal nor conservative (nor am I middle of the road for that matter) and I do not choose my candidate simply because my family has been one or the other for generations. I choose any one I vote for on facts not on fictions created by the media. The internet has helped in that aspect, We can all now choose someone based on their record. Which is easy to look up. Oh and Nugent is a nut, sad really because I saw him many times live, I lost interest in him when he started spewing his political rants. Just play the music man, don't be upset by this post either I've been known to rant myself a good tap in the back of the scull sets me right again.

I like your political views and feel the same. I don't share your thoughts on Nugent, however. He's just got different ideals than other people, doesn't make him a nut. I agree with you on your stance on guns though. I think Americans that want to, should be allowed to have personal firearms, but along with that comes great responsibility. Registration is a must.

[Angiekay]

I own a gun, but no control in America is beyond stupid.

Ted Nugent is a fuckin' nut. He really shouldn't be around guns or sharp objects.

Do you live in Tennessee or Massachusetts?

I live in Massachusetts, and believe that any sane person has the right to have protection in their home. I also believe there should be a means of controling who get's them and what you can buy. Living in Massachusetts has nothing to do with just one outlook on things, I do not believe in the 2 party system we go by in this country, I am neither liberal nor conservative (nor am I middle of the road for that matter) and I do not choose my candidate simply because my family has been one or the other for generations. I choose any one I vote for on facts not on fictions created by the media. The internet has helped in that aspect, We can all now choose someone based on their record. Which is easy to look up. Oh and Nugent is a nut, sad really because I saw him many times live, I lost interest in him when he started spewing his political rants. Just play the music man, don't be upset by this post either I've been known to rant myself a good tap in the back of the scull sets me right again.

I like your political views and feel the same. I don't share your thoughts on Nugent, however. He's just got different ideals than other people, doesn't make him a nut. I agree with you on your stance on guns though. I think Americans that want to, should be allowed to have personal firearms, but along with that comes great responsibility. Registration is a must.

These are the two smartest, most sensible posts I've seen since this thread started!!

[NunYoBusiness]

I own a gun, but no control in America is beyond stupid.

Ted Nugent is a fuckin' nut. He really shouldn't be around guns or sharp objects.

Do you live in Tennessee or Massachusetts?

I live in Massachusetts, and believe that any sane person has the right to have protection in their home. I also believe there should be a means of controling who get's them and what you can buy. Living in Massachusetts has nothing to do with just one outlook on things, I do not believe in the 2 party system we go by in this country, I am neither liberal nor conservative (nor am I middle of the road for that matter) and I do not choose my candidate simply because my family has been one or the other for generations. I choose any one I vote for on facts not on fictions created by the media. The internet has helped in that aspect, We can all now choose someone based on their record. Which is easy to look up. Oh and Nugent is a nut, sad really because I saw him many times live, I lost interest in him when he started spewing his political rants. Just play the music man, don't be upset by this post either I've been known to rant myself a good tap in the back of the scull sets me right again.

I like your political views and feel the same. I don't share your thoughts on Nugent, however. He's just got different ideals than other people, doesn't make him a nut. I agree with you on your stance on guns though. I think Americans that want to, should be allowed to have personal firearms, but along with that comes great responsibility. Registration is a must.

Thanks didn't want to sound like a slagger, maybe nuts is to harsh, I'll have to look up something to describe him maybe "Free Radical"

[NunYoBusiness]

I own a gun, but no control in America is beyond stupid.

Ted Nugent is a fuckin' nut. He really shouldn't be around guns or sharp objects.

Do you live in Tennessee or Massachusetts?

I live in Massachusetts, and believe that any sane person has the right to have protection in their home. I also believe there should be a means of controling who get's them and what you can buy. Living in Massachusetts has nothing to do with just one outlook on things, I do not believe in the 2 party system we go by in this country, I am neither liberal nor conservative (nor am I middle of the road for that matter) and I do not choose my candidate simply because my family has been one or the other for generations. I choose any one I vote for on facts not on fictions created by the media. The internet has helped in that aspect, We can all now choose someone based on their record. Which is easy to look up. Oh and Nugent is a nut, sad really because I saw him many times live, I lost interest in him when he started spewing his political rants. Just play the music man, don't be upset by this post either I've been known to rant myself a good tap in the back of the scull sets me right again.

I like your political views and feel the same. I don't share your thoughts on Nugent, however. He's just got different ideals than other people, doesn't make him a nut. I agree with you on your stance on guns though. I think Americans that want to, should be allowed to have personal firearms, but along with that comes great responsibility. Registration is a must.

These are the two smartest, most sensible posts I've seen since this thread started!!

Thanks, I love your pity pot tag line