'Revelation': now a gold CD .......

[jrnyman28]

A GH package is a GH package....not sure what your argument is there.

You are claiming that the re-records don't count. Presumably because they are a collection of previously released material in a new for. So is a GH CD.

This rule is out dated and makes no real sense in todays world...and it is being taken advantage of by Wal-Mart. The RIAA should recognize that and change it.

Yes, the rule is outdated. But no one is purposely manipulating the facts to their advantage. They are benefitting from it but I doubt they said "Hey, if me make this a 2-disc set it will go gold twice as fast".

The ONLY problem I see with this is that the 2-disc set did not cost double. I think it still qulifies with the material that is included.

[jrnyman28]

I'm sure Wal Mart will gladly pay for the audit so they can advertise "Journey's latest certified Gold album" in their stores.

Why, they didn't really put a strong promotional push on this in the first place.

But I would think the band would love to be able to say that when promoting the tour and new singles.

[jrnyman28]

It has sold enough to make it gold....and I have not argued it hasn't...

Sure you have, because you have argued that it does not qualify to be considered a double album...

[Saint John]

Why, they didn't really put a strong promotional push on this in the first place.

The hell they didn't!!! They had it listed #1 on their "What's New" section online, they ran a HUGE ad for Father's Day weekend ("Anyway Dad Wants It That's The Way Dad Gets It"), they had in store circulars, and they played the DVD in virtually every store!!! That is a huge push...that has paid off.

[jrnyman28]

Why, they didn't really put a strong promotional push on this in the first place.

The hell they didn't!!! They had it listed #1 on their "What's New" section online, they ran a HUGE ad for Father's Day weekend ("Anyway Dad Wants It That's The Way Dad Gets It"), they had in store circulars, and they played the DVD in virtually every store!!! That is a huge push...that has paid off.

That is not a "huge" push.
There was no DVD playing in ANY of the stores I go to. Other than the online mailer and a small sign under the Journey section I have seen NOTHING from WalMart. Sure, the Father;s Day thing was cool (never saw it here) but that really doesn't add up to much. Look at the Eagles promotion to see what "huge" was.

[Escape Artist]

Why, they didn't really put a strong promotional push on this in the first place.

The hell they didn't!!! They had it listed #1 on their "What's New" section online, they ran a HUGE ad for Father's Day weekend ("Anyway Dad Wants It That's The Way Dad Gets It"), they had in store circulars, and they played the DVD in virtually every store!!! That is a huge push...that has paid off.

That is not a "huge" push.
There was no DVD playing in ANY of the stores I go to. Other than the online mailer and a small sign under the Journey section I have seen NOTHING from WalMart. Sure, the Father;s Day thing was cool (never saw it here) but that really doesn't add up to much. Look at the Eagles promotion to see what "huge" was.

True, the Eagles CD was right in front of my local Wallyworld with a big display. Journey? no display at all, new CD was just stuck in the rack. Not very impressive.

[conversationpc]

Why, they didn't really put a strong promotional push on this in the first place.

The hell they didn't!!! They had it listed #1 on their "What's New" section online, they ran a HUGE ad for Father's Day weekend ("Anyway Dad Wants It That's The Way Dad Gets It"), they had in store circulars, and they played the DVD in virtually every store!!! That is a huge push...that has paid off.

That is not a "huge" push.
There was no DVD playing in ANY of the stores I go to. Other than the online mailer and a small sign under the Journey section I have seen NOTHING from WalMart. Sure, the Father;s Day thing was cool (never saw it here) but that really doesn't add up to much. Look at the Eagles promotion to see what "huge" was.

True, the Eagles CD was right in front of my local Wallyworld with a big display. Journey? no display at all, new CD was just stuck in the rack. Not very impressive.

I didn't see much of a display at my local Wallyword, either.

[DracIsBack]

There was no DVD playing in ANY of the stores I go to.

Point taken, though you do need to be careful with that assumption. How many Walmarts are there in total? There are at least 7,000 just in the US. The three or four you might visit don't exactly provide a "statistically significant sample".

[Glenn]

I saw the dvd playing in 3 different Wallyworlds around here.....Plus it was the featured cd...One had almost an entire end filled with it facing the isle.

[Monker]

You are claiming that the re-records don't count. Presumably because they are a collection of previously released material in a new for. So is a GH CD.

No, that is not what I am saying.

I am saying Recollection is not a continuation of the Revelation album in the way that second Wall CD is, or the second Captured CD is, or all three Time3 CD's are. They are three seperate CD's...and they should each have their own count. Or, maybe their own special awards for "Multi CD package" and distinguish these awards COMPLETELY from true multi disk albums...which is why this 'rule' was created.

I was wondering...I know Styx had a 'box set' of three of their 'classic' albums released. If Journey released: Escape, Frontiers, and ROR as a set, would it count double? Which album would get the award? If they titled it ROR + 2 bonus CD's, would ROR get the double count, even though Escape and Frontiers would probably be the reason most would buy into the package?

If Perry releases a solo album, and Sony packages it with a "bonus CD" of a newly remastered Journey's GH + 2 previously unreleased Journey songs, should that be counted in this way?

Yes, the rule is outdated. But no one is purposely manipulating the facts to their advantage. They are benefitting from it but I doubt they said "Hey, if me make this a 2-disc set it will go gold twice as fast".

Nobody has said that, but I would not put it past bands (not just Journey), management, and Wal-mart for not knowing all about how these are counted.

[The ONLY problem I see with this is that the 2-disc set did not cost double. I think it still qulifies with the material that is included.

It's not a double CD. It's a 2CD + DVD *PACKAGE*. That is the difference.

[Rhiannon]

Wow... you guys are totally still fighting about this shit. Amazing!

[Maui Tom]

[/quote]

It's not a double CD. It's a 2CD + DVD *PACKAGE*. That is the difference.[/quote]

boy I wish MY package went Gold....

[Monker]

It has sold enough to make it gold....and I have not argued it hasn't...

Sure you have, because you have argued that it does not qualify to be considered a double album...

That is not my argument. I have NOT said that it does not qualify for receiving the gold award. Quote it.

My argument is in lumping these in with the double albums this 'rule' was created for...and that the RIAA should recognize that and change the rule. If that happens BEFORE Revelation is certified, I think the reaction on this forum would be hysterical.

As I said, they followed the rules, it qualifies for being a gold album. But, it is not in the spirit of why the rule was created.

[Monker]

There was no DVD playing in ANY of the stores I go to.

Point taken, though you do need to be careful with that assumption. How many Walmarts are there in total? There are at least 7,000 just in the US. The three or four you might visit don't exactly provide a "statistically significant sample".

But, it does make SJ"s point of this and that being in all the stores completely untrue.

I didn't see any of this either. I did not even know about it until I read SJ's post.

[Saint John]

There was no DVD playing in ANY of the stores I go to.

Point taken, though you do need to be careful with that assumption. How many Walmarts are there in total? There are at least 7,000 just in the US. The three or four you might visit don't exactly provide a "statistically significant sample".

But, it does make SJ"s point of this and that being in all the stores completely untrue.

I didn't see any of this either. I did not even know about it until I read SJ's post.

I put "in virtually every store." A quick run over to Webster's crib gives me the following definition. "for the most part; almost wholly; just about" That's what I saw, asshole. And I went to a few Wal Marts over the last few weeks. It's my favorite store...always has been. Fuck the "little guy." Squash that motherfucker, give me a superstore and cheaper prices. Sorry that the one next to the row of Meth houses where you live in in Iowa didn't have any advertising, but they probably realize that your demographic would much rather see Jerry Springer uncut or Trailer Park Grannies gone wild.

[separate_wayz]

Here's something to think about re: the presumptive gold-status (possibly going to platinum-status)of 'Revelation': It could give long-lasting credibility to Journey and its new line-up.

This new-found credibility could lead to guest appearances on t.v. and sporting events (think: Superbowl halftime show, etc.), and other media interviews and mentions. (My guideline here is: the same opportunities that Aerosmith always seems to get.)

This is something the Augeri-led line-up didn't have. Because 'Arrival' didn't have commercial success (read: not gold- or platinum-certified), I think the line-up itself was seen by some as "not legitimate". ("See? Without Steve Perry, they can't sell CDs ..... "). (I myself don't agree with this thought, but I suspect others felt this.)

I think if the CD goes presumptively-gold (and then for sure if it goes platinum), there will be more people in the mainstream who will see the band as "Journey", and not "Journey-minus-Steve Perry". The commercial success of this CD appears crucial to this distinction and will likely open-up new opportunities for the band that they didn't have over the last few years.

[Monker]

This new-found credibility could lead to guest appearances on t.v. and sporting events (think: Superbowl halftime show, etc.), and other media interviews and mentions. (My guideline here is: the same opportunities that Aerosmith always seems to get.)

LOL...Journey is not in the same league as Aerosmith...never will be. Consider who they have toured with over the past 10 years. That is their league: REO, Styx, Foreigner, Heart, Def Leppard, Kansas, Boston, etc.

This is something the Augeri-led line-up didn't have.

And, you are wrong. They were on several shows.

Because 'Arrival' didn't have commercial success (read: not gold- or platinum-certified),

But, so far, sold about the same.

I think the line-up itself was seen by some as "not legitimate". ("See? Without Steve Perry, they can't sell CDs ..... "). (I myself don't agree with this thought, but I suspect others felt this.)

Explain how having a gold CD after 250,000 means you sold more CD's then an album that sold about the same amount.

I think if the CD goes presumptively-gold (and then for sure if it goes platinum), there will be more people in the mainstream who will see the band as "Journey", and not "Journey-minus-Steve Perry". The commercial success of this CD appears crucial to this distinction and will likely open-up new opportunities for the band that they didn't have over the last few years.

It's irrelevant. Journey needs songs on radio....not a hit album...not 'new songs on tour'...not a gold album. I don't hear another song on this album that will get a lot of time on the radio...certainly not rock radio.

They are not "Journey minus Steve Perry". They are Journey "with some guy who tries to sound exactly like Steve Perry."

[Monker]

I put "in virtually every store." A quick run over to Webster's crib gives me the following definition. "for the most part; almost wholly; just about" That's what I saw"

Ah, I see, so you took the small sampling of the stores you saw it in and applied it the entire nation. Seems you have no real clue about what was really going on.

It's my favorite store...always has been.

Wal-Mart being anybody's 'favorite store' is pretty pathetic. Wal-Mart is for housewives and old people...anybody who needs to buy diapers. On second thought, I guess it's not a suprise to me that it's your favorite store.

Sorry that the one next to the row of Meth houses where you live in in Iowa didn't have any advertising, but they probably realize that your demographic would much rather see Jerry Springer uncut or Trailer Park Grannies gone wild.

Well, coming from mini-Deen, it's not a suprise that you can't handle facts from other people which dispute your myopic view of the world.

The problem is - I'm not the only one saying that I didn't see any of the "huge push" you talk about above. The only "huge'push' is that big turd that you trying push out on all of us.

[Rick]

Two of the funniest quotes I've seen in a while.

your demographic would much rather see Jerry Springer uncut or Trailer Park Grannies gone wild.

Wal-Mart is for housewives and old people...anybody who needs to buy diapers.

[amaron]

They are not "Journey minus Steve Perry". They are Journey "with some guy who tries to sound exactly like Steve Perry."

Which Cain and Schon have now basically come out and admitted to wanting.

Which is sad.

[Rick]

They are not "Journey minus Steve Perry". They are Journey "with some guy who tries to sound exactly like Steve Perry."

Which Cain and Schon have now basically come out and admitted to wanting.

Which is sad.

I think that puts them in their comfort zone, so to speak. They're too old and too scared to go off in uncharted territory now. They know what works for them and that's what they've secured.

[EightyRock]

[quote="Rick"] "I think that puts them in their comfort zone, so to speak. They're too old and too scared to go off in uncharted territory now. They know what works for them and that's what they've secured."


It used to sound like Neal would have been happy to go off into uncharted territory with Soto, as long as he had the security of the Journey name and back catalog to fall back on. Cain clipped his wings. I wouldn't doubt if he made Schon think he'd quit, if he didn't ditch Soto and keep the status quo.
I'd think that "gold" status on this CD would be pretty hollow to Neal, considering that he has to continue to pander to Cain and the writing style he used to criticize. They also have to know that nomatter how it is officially counted, the Recollection CD shouldn't be in there. That is not part of their post-Perry success.
I guess as long as the cash flows in, art and honesty be damned.
You're right....they are old, scared and on their third Perry clone.

[separate_wayz]

Okay, my count after five weeks is 284,544 albums sold (x 2 = 569,088 units sold).

I'll post this on the other thread too, but if Journey sells 16,573 albums for each week of the US-leg of the tour (which ends Oct. 5th, before 2 Canadian dates), the album will go platinum.

I think there's a strong case for this album going platinum by the end of the 'Revelation' tour in October ......

[Jeremey]

LOL!

Who fuckin' cares!

[fightingilliniJRNY]

LOL!

Who fuckin' cares!

You should, because you're getting royalties

[slucero]

.. I just want more cowbell...

[Saint John]

LOL!

Who fuckin' cares!

You should, because you're getting royalties

Not only that, but he actually contributed to the album and he should be extremely proud of that. I would be.

[janus65]

LOL!

Who fuckin' cares!

You should, because you're getting royalties

Not only that, but he actually contributed to the album and he should be extremely proud of that. I would be.

besides whatever success of this album theres a spike of sales for the Greatest Hits.

[Don]

LOL!

Who fuckin' cares!

You should, because you're getting royalties

Not only that, but he actually contributed to the album and he should be extremely proud of that. I would be.

besides whatever success of this album theres a spike of sales for the Greatest Hits.

I think there is some confusion here

[Jeremey]

I didn't mean to come across as being flip, I just meant it's an odd thing to dissect for pages on end...It's selling well, so...there you go...