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Postby Barb » Wed Jul 16, 2008 12:32 am

Jeremey wrote:
MarcelJordan wrote:Speaking of Perry, deos anyone know whether he did Don't Stop Believin' live like this? See secs 34-39 on this youtube video:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=8UoHXlEf2hc&feature=related

Quite the goosebumps for me. 8)


I actually clicked on this thinking it was a Perry video. After the first 10 words I knew better....

I love Arnel. Really, I do. But all the "Perry never sounded this good" bullshit is starting to make me nauseous.


Me too. It's absolutely over the top RIDICULOUS to say such a thing.
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Postby MrsPerry » Wed Jul 16, 2008 12:39 am

wednesday's child wrote:Eeeeeeeeeyurgh.

Arnel's damn good, but "eclipsing" Perry?? Making fans forget about Perry??
Whatever drugs that article's writer is on, he needs to lower the dosage.
Or raise.

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no shit. gimme a friggin break.
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Postby separate_wayz » Wed Jul 16, 2008 12:49 am

This is a phenomenal review. They absolutely don't get any better than this.

The comparison with Steve Perry is natural. How could you not expect it? Perry was an icon in his heyday, and his legacy is set. But Arnel is a fantastic singer in his own right, and was given a near-impossible task: fill Perry's big shoes, and pull-together the fan-base who were (rightfully) frustrated, disappointed, and angry after the rotation (and dismissal) of singers from Augeri to Soto. Arnel has (by his second concert) managed to succeed in that role. I give the guy some big kudos for what he's done so far.

The success of 'Revelation' and this tour will allow Journey and Arnel to have a little breathing room. Arnel will be able to stand more on his own voice and songs on the next CD ...... The comparison with Perry won't end this tour or next. But Arnel and Journey are on their way to having some successful post-Perry songs that should stand on their own merits .....
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Postby Saint John » Wed Jul 16, 2008 12:53 am

MarcelJordan wrote:Speaking of Perry, deos anyone know whether he did Don't Stop Believin' live like this? See secs 34-39 on this youtube video:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=8UoHXlEf2hc&feature=related

Quite the goosebumps for me. 8)


As it pertains to that specific part of the song I've never heard it done any better. :) That was awesome. 8) He has to stop saying "south Detroidah", though. :lol:
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Postby Barb » Wed Jul 16, 2008 12:53 am

separate_wayz wrote:This is a phenomenal review. They absolutely don't get any better than this.

The comparison with Steve Perry is natural. How could you not expect it? Perry was an icon in his heyday, and his legacy is set. But Arnel is a fantastic singer in his own right, and was given a near-impossible task: fill Perry's big shoes, and pull-together the fan-base who were (rightfully) frustrated, disappointed, and angry after the rotation (and dismissal) of singers from Augeri to Soto. Arnel has (by his second concert) managed to succeed in that role. I give the guy some big kudos for what he's done so far.

The success of 'Revelation' and this tour will allow Journey and Arnel to have a little breathing room. Arnel will be able to stand more on his own voice and songs on the next CD ...... The comparison with Perry won't end this tour or next. But Arnel and Journey are on their way to having some successful post-Perry songs that should stand on their own merits .....


Comparing Arnel to Perry is understandable. Saying Arnel has eclipsed Steve Perry in talent is bordering on deranged. I'm thrilled that the critics are loving Arnel, but I'm guessing they have never had the privilege of seeing Steve Perry with Journey. If they had, they couldn't possibly make a comment like this with a straight face.
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Postby Michigan Girl » Wed Jul 16, 2008 12:59 am

separate_wayz wrote:This is a phenomenal review. They absolutely don't get any better than this.

The comparison with Steve Perry is natural. How could you not expect it? Perry was an icon in his heyday, and his legacy is set. But Arnel is a fantastic singer in his own right, and was given a near-impossible task: fill Perry's big shoes, and pull-together the fan-base who were (rightfully) frustrated, disappointed, and angry after the rotation (and dismissal) of singers from Augeri to Soto. Arnel has (by his second concert) managed to succeed in that role. I give the guy some big kudos for what he's done so far.

The success of 'Revelation' and this tour will allow Journey and Arnel to have a little breathing room. Arnel will be able to stand more on his own voice and songs on the next CD ...... The comparison with Perry won't end this tour or next. But Arnel and Journey are on their way to having some successful post-Perry songs that should stand on their own merits .....


COMPARISON= INEVITABLE!!!

Saying Arnel is better than= INSANE!!! :wink:
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Postby Saint John » Wed Jul 16, 2008 1:04 am

Barb wrote:
separate_wayz wrote:This is a phenomenal review. They absolutely don't get any better than this.

The comparison with Steve Perry is natural. How could you not expect it? Perry was an icon in his heyday, and his legacy is set. But Arnel is a fantastic singer in his own right, and was given a near-impossible task: fill Perry's big shoes, and pull-together the fan-base who were (rightfully) frustrated, disappointed, and angry after the rotation (and dismissal) of singers from Augeri to Soto. Arnel has (by his second concert) managed to succeed in that role. I give the guy some big kudos for what he's done so far.

The success of 'Revelation' and this tour will allow Journey and Arnel to have a little breathing room. Arnel will be able to stand more on his own voice and songs on the next CD ...... The comparison with Perry won't end this tour or next. But Arnel and Journey are on their way to having some successful post-Perry songs that should stand on their own merits .....


Comparing Arnel to Perry is understandable. Saying Arnel has eclipsed Steve Perry in talent is bordering on deranged. I'm thrilled that the critics are loving Arnel, but I'm guessing they have never had the privilege of seeing Steve Perry with Journey. If they had, they couldn't possibly make a comment like this with a straight face.


I agree that comparing Arnel to Perry is in his prime is a vast stretch, but I'm loving the fact that people, whether informed or not, are seemingly remembering Perry as nothing more than a "good" singer from back in the day. Perry destroyed his own image with the masses over the last 20 years and will probably forever be remembered as "the guy that used to sing for Journey." He had a chance to cement his legacy, leave graciously and be remembered. Instead, the masses couldn't tell you if he's still performing, retired, institutionalized or dead. His legacy with the hardcores is that of probably the greatest singer of all-time. He's certainly the best of I've ever heard. But to the masses he's an irrelevant recluse whose whereabouts are unknown and I doubt if they honestly give a shit. He's become an afterthought in the rock and roll universe. And it's all of his own doing. That's the best part. No amount of bullhorning will change that, either.
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Postby Red13JoePa » Wed Jul 16, 2008 1:14 am

I want Perry to do his own set of remakes. Love that notion.
Unless he DOES have a lot of new originals penned.
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Postby Onestepper » Wed Jul 16, 2008 1:19 am

I find it very difficult to believe that the people at that concert 'Forgot' all about Perry. I'm gonna go with the belief that most would be pleasantly surprised at how much AP reminded them of Perry. It doesn't always have to be to such an extreme. You don' t have to forget about someone to be able to enjoy another. They were there to hear the Journey sound. And the Journey sound is largely a Perry sound. What a stupid review.
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Postby Saint John » Wed Jul 16, 2008 2:04 am

Onestepper wrote:I find it very difficult to believe that the people at that concert 'Forgot' all about Perry.


Agreed. But I think there is a sense that Perry forgot about us.
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Postby Onestepper » Wed Jul 16, 2008 2:08 am

Saint John wrote:
Onestepper wrote:I find it very difficult to believe that the people at that concert 'Forgot' all about Perry.


Agreed. But I think there is a sense that Perry forgot about us.


Indeed. I'm sure it's about the pride he has knowing that he can't sing the catalog any longer, or be able to sustain a tour. Putting out new studio music though is another issue.
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Postby Don » Wed Jul 16, 2008 2:24 am

In some ways Perry damaged his own Legacy by not performing anymore. Dino, Frank, Perry Como, they kept it fresh in your mind by going out there and performing. No matter how many people covered their songs, they could show up any time on stage and give you the original. With Perry all you get are old videos and that's it. It's like he is dead except there is no obituary just ghostly whispers that he going to rise from the grave one day.

On another topic, Sports analogies don't work with Perry and Arnel. It's like comparing a full time player with a designated hitter. One wrote the songs and was part of the creative process. The other is stepping up and singing the hell out of the catalog but that's all he can bring to the table at the moment. That's still a major contribution, and very much appreciated.
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Postby Saint John » Wed Jul 16, 2008 2:26 am

Gunbot wrote:In some ways Perry damaged his own Legacy by not performing anymore. Dino, Frank, Perry Como, they kept it fresh in your mind by going out there and performing. No matter how many people covered their songs, they could show up any time on stage and give you the original. With Perry all you get are old videos and that's it. It's like he is dead except there is no obituary just ghostly whispers that he going to rise from the grave one day.

On another topic, Sports analogies don't work with Perry and Arnel. It's like comparing a full time player with a designated hitter. One wrote the songs and was part of the creative process. The other is stepping up and singing the hell out of the catalog but that's all he can bring to the table at the moment. That's still a major contribution, and very much appreciated.


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Postby spellbinder » Wed Jul 16, 2008 2:58 am

Saint John wrote:
Barb wrote:
separate_wayz wrote:This is a phenomenal review. They absolutely don't get any better than this.

The comparison with Steve Perry is natural. How could you not expect it? Perry was an icon in his heyday, and his legacy is set. But Arnel is a fantastic singer in his own right, and was given a near-impossible task: fill Perry's big shoes, and pull-together the fan-base who were (rightfully) frustrated, disappointed, and angry after the rotation (and dismissal) of singers from Augeri to Soto. Arnel has (by his second concert) managed to succeed in that role. I give the guy some big kudos for what he's done so far.

The success of 'Revelation' and this tour will allow Journey and Arnel to have a little breathing room. Arnel will be able to stand more on his own voice and songs on the next CD ...... The comparison with Perry won't end this tour or next. But Arnel and Journey are on their way to having some successful post-Perry songs that should stand on their own merits .....


Comparing Arnel to Perry is understandable. Saying Arnel has eclipsed Steve Perry in talent is bordering on deranged. I'm thrilled that the critics are loving Arnel, but I'm guessing they have never had the privilege of seeing Steve Perry with Journey. If they had, they couldn't possibly make a comment like this with a straight face.


I agree that comparing Arnel to Perry is in his prime is a vast stretch, but I'm loving the fact that people, whether informed or not, are seemingly remembering Perry as nothing more than a "good" singer from back in the day. Perry destroyed his own image with the masses over the last 20 years and will probably forever be remembered as "the guy that used to sing for Journey." He had a chance to cement his legacy, leave graciously and be remembered. Instead, the masses couldn't tell you if he's still performing, retired, institutionalized or dead. His legacy with the hardcores is that of probably the greatest singer of all-time. He's certainly the best of I've ever heard. But to the masses he's an irrelevant recluse whose whereabouts are unknown and I doubt if they honestly give a shit. He's become an afterthought in the rock and roll universe. And it's all of his own doing. That's the best part. No amount of bullhorning will change that, either.


Yup! I agree with this.

If only he continued to support the band by providing beautiful compositions (knowing that his voice would fade in time) and made amends with Neal, Ross, etc just for the love of the music and the love for the fans, then I would consider him as a legend. There has always this selflessness attribute about legends that made them stand tall among men.
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Postby spellbinder » Wed Jul 16, 2008 3:14 am

Gin and Tonic Sky wrote:
MarcelJordan wrote:

Obviously the guy hasn't seen Perry during those younger years. He's wrong, but since he's been to this particular show, he decides to lay it all on the line. He's just blown away by the performance I guess.


Exactly- I took a new Journey fan along with me to the Cardiff concert. He went on an on about how great Arnel was on the night, how he nailed everything perfectly . Two days later he sad to me ," I gotta buy some Journey CD's now. Which ones got Perry on them, becasue those are the ones I want to hear"

the more Arnel is compared to Perry the more interest it creates in Perry. It doesnt matter what profession you are in music sports, business, etc - the World will always rightfully heap plaudits on excellence- however it will only remember what is distinctive AND excellent . The more people describe Arnel as Perryesque or better than Perry, they righfully recognise the excellence, they deemphasise any distinctiveness he has -bad for Arnel long term. fifteen years from now Perry will be the one remembered.


Yep definitely!

Together with his arrogance and his history of allowing Journey to wallow in the mud ...
Making his loyal fans look stupid by throwing tidbits of scrap food here and there ...

I hope he gets remembered.
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Postby stevew2 » Wed Jul 16, 2008 3:46 am

Saint John wrote:
Gunbot wrote:In some ways Perry damaged his own Legacy by not performing anymore. Dino, Frank, Perry Como, they kept it fresh in your mind by going out there and performing. No matter how many people covered their songs, they could show up any time on stage and give you the original. With Perry all you get are old videos and that's it. It's like he is dead except there is no obituary just ghostly whispers that he going to rise from the grave one day.

On another topic, Sports analogies don't work with Perry and Arnel. It's like comparing a full time player with a designated hitter. One wrote the songs and was part of the creative process. The other is stepping up and singing the hell out of the catalog but that's all he can bring to the table at the moment. That's still a major contribution, and very much appreciated.


If you ever decide to make a calendar out of your avatars make sure you let me know. Man, are those women fucking 8) beautiful.
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Postby EightyRock » Wed Jul 16, 2008 4:16 am

That's about the funniest damn thing I've read on Journey in awhile, although I remember a few early reviews on Augeri that gave him nearly the same credit.
Arnel has a long way to go to be as good as Perry was....and as far as ever topping Perry's vocals....yeah, rrrright. :lol: :roll:
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Postby brywool » Wed Jul 16, 2008 6:27 am

Ha, I was waiting for all hell to break loose on this.
You know, other than that Perry comment, it was a great review and I hope that a wanky comment from that journalist doesn't take anything away from Arnel. From everything I've heard, the little sh*t's kicking ass.

I say RIGHT ON!
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Postby spellbinder » Wed Jul 16, 2008 7:15 am

stevew2 wrote:
Saint John wrote:
Gunbot wrote:In some ways Perry damaged his own Legacy by not performing anymore. Dino, Frank, Perry Como, they kept it fresh in your mind by going out there and performing. No matter how many people covered their songs, they could show up any time on stage and give you the original. With Perry all you get are old videos and that's it. It's like he is dead except there is no obituary just ghostly whispers that he going to rise from the grave one day.

On another topic, Sports analogies don't work with Perry and Arnel. It's like comparing a full time player with a designated hitter. One wrote the songs and was part of the creative process. The other is stepping up and singing the hell out of the catalog but that's all he can bring to the table at the moment. That's still a major contribution, and very much appreciated.


If you ever decide to make a calendar out of your avatars make sure you let me know. Man, are those women fucking 8) beautiful.
i agree, he got a thing for asian,and japanesse black women


They are also very wild in bed frankly, :lol:
'could be that wasabi in their diet. :roll:

Their skin have always been adored by other asians because of their milky-white complexion.
You'll never get tired licking from head to toe. :P
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Postby MrsPerry » Wed Jul 16, 2008 11:05 am

Red13JoePa wrote:I want Perry to do his own set of remakes. Love that notion.
Unless he DOES have a lot of new originals penned.




I would have a stroke. Neal darling would have a stroke. what a great idea tho. I am sure SP has lollied it about in his head.
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Postby Barb » Wed Jul 16, 2008 11:26 am

I see a few comments posted that Heart ws better than Journey.
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Postby MarcelJordan » Wed Jul 16, 2008 1:34 pm

Barb wrote:I see a few comments posted that Heart ws better than Journey.


That's because Heart has their original vocalists! Got to give those experienced ladies their due ya know! 8)
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Postby tj » Wed Jul 16, 2008 1:50 pm

epresley wrote:I think that some of these reviews are trying to emphasize how good Arnel is and are coming off as slamming Steve Perry. He can't and won't ever be replaced, but I'm glad Arnel is killing. Better/worse than Steve? Doesn't matter really, I'm just glad Journey is doing so well these days. :D


E - I just noticed your Avatar. I have a picture of you and me in front of Graceland in August of 1992, the 15th anniversary of your "death". :D I still can't believe all those people thought you were an impersonator. Hope all is going well in the Witness Protection program, give my love to 'Scilla and Lisa Marie.

BTW - great cover story about dying of a heart attack while on the crapper. What better way for the King to die, than on the "throne". :lol:
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Postby Michigan Girl » Wed Jul 16, 2008 1:51 pm

tj wrote:
epresley wrote:I think that some of these reviews are trying to emphasize how good Arnel is and are coming off as slamming Steve Perry. He can't and won't ever be replaced, but I'm glad Arnel is killing. Better/worse than Steve? Doesn't matter really, I'm just glad Journey is doing so well these days. :D


E - I just noticed your Avatar. I have a picture of you and me in front of Graceland in August of 1992, the 15th anniversary of your "death". :D I still can't believe all those people thought you were an impersonator. Hope all is going well in the Witness Protection program, give my love to 'Scilla and Lisa Marie.

BTW - great cover story about dying of a heart attack while on the crapper. What better way for the King to die, than on the "throne". :lol:


:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Postby annie89509 » Thu Jul 17, 2008 9:47 am

Saint John wrote:[
I agree that comparing Arnel to Perry is in his prime is a vast stretch, but I'm loving the fact that people, whether informed or not, are seemingly remembering Perry as nothing more than a "good" singer from back in the day. Perry destroyed his own image with the masses over the last 20 years and will probably forever be remembered as "the guy that used to sing for Journey." He had a chance to cement his legacy, leave graciously and be remembered. Instead, the masses couldn't tell you if he's still performing, retired, institutionalized or dead. His legacy with the hardcores is that of probably the greatest singer of all-time. He's certainly the best of I've ever heard. But to the masses he's an irrelevant recluse whose whereabouts are unknown and I doubt if they honestly give a shit. He's become an afterthought in the rock and roll universe. And it's all of his own doing. That's the best part. No amount of bullhorning will change that, either.


Geezus, SJ-Dan, can you not put a lid on it :evil: ? Everything bad that ever happened to Journey is SP's fault. Everything that ever happened to him and currently is of his own doing ... yeah, yeah, we get it.
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Postby annie89509 » Thu Jul 17, 2008 9:50 am

spellbinder wrote:
stevew2 wrote:
Saint John wrote:
Gunbot wrote:In some ways Perry damaged his own Legacy by not performing anymore. Dino, Frank, Perry Como, they kept it fresh in your mind by going out there and performing. No matter how many people covered their songs, they could show up any time on stage and give you the original. With Perry all you get are old videos and that's it. It's like he is dead except there is no obituary just ghostly whispers that he going to rise from the grave one day.

On another topic, Sports analogies don't work with Perry and Arnel. It's like comparing a full time player with a designated hitter. One wrote the songs and was part of the creative process. The other is stepping up and singing the hell out of the catalog but that's all he can bring to the table at the moment. That's still a major contribution, and very much appreciated.


If you ever decide to make a calendar out of your avatars make sure you let me know. Man, are those women fucking 8) beautiful.
i agree, he got a thing for asian,and japanesse black women


They are also very wild in bed frankly, :lol:
'could be that wasabi in their diet. :roll:

Their skin have always been adored by other asians because of their milky-white complexion.
You'll never get tired licking from head to toe. :P

:shock: :shock: Is this a thread to talk about Journey .... or fulfilling boyhood fantasies?
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Postby spellbinder » Fri Jul 18, 2008 12:32 pm

annie89509 wrote:
spellbinder wrote:
stevew2 wrote:
Saint John wrote:
Gunbot wrote:In some ways Perry damaged his own Legacy by not performing anymore. Dino, Frank, Perry Como, they kept it fresh in your mind by going out there and performing. No matter how many people covered their songs, they could show up any time on stage and give you the original. With Perry all you get are old videos and that's it. It's like he is dead except there is no obituary just ghostly whispers that he going to rise from the grave one day.

On another topic, Sports analogies don't work with Perry and Arnel. It's like comparing a full time player with a designated hitter. One wrote the songs and was part of the creative process. The other is stepping up and singing the hell out of the catalog but that's all he can bring to the table at the moment. That's still a major contribution, and very much appreciated.


If you ever decide to make a calendar out of your avatars make sure you let me know. Man, are those women fucking 8) beautiful.
i agree, he got a thing for asian,and japanesse black women


They are also very wild in bed frankly, :lol:
'could be that wasabi in their diet. :roll:

Their skin have always been adored by other asians because of their milky-white complexion.
You'll never get tired licking from head to toe. :P

:shock: :shock: Is this a thread to talk about Journey .... or fulfilling boyhood fantasies?


Ooppssss ... :oops:

too much information ... :(
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Postby Since 78 » Fri Jul 18, 2008 1:16 pm

spellbinder wrote:
annie89509 wrote:
spellbinder wrote:
stevew2 wrote:
Saint John wrote:
Gunbot wrote:In some ways Perry damaged his own Legacy by not performing anymore. Dino, Frank, Perry Como, they kept it fresh in your mind by going out there and performing. No matter how many people covered their songs, they could show up any time on stage and give you the original. With Perry all you get are old videos and that's it. It's like he is dead except there is no obituary just ghostly whispers that he going to rise from the grave one day.

On another topic, Sports analogies don't work with Perry and Arnel. It's like comparing a full time player with a designated hitter. One wrote the songs and was part of the creative process. The other is stepping up and singing the hell out of the catalog but that's all he can bring to the table at the moment. That's still a major contribution, and very much appreciated.


If you ever decide to make a calendar out of your avatars make sure you let me know. Man, are those women fucking 8) beautiful.
i agree, he got a thing for asian,and japanesse black women


They are also very wild in bed frankly, :lol:
'could be that wasabi in their diet. :roll:

Their skin have always been adored by other asians because of their milky-white complexion.
You'll never get tired licking from head to toe. :P

:shock: :shock: Is this a thread to talk about Journey .... or fulfilling boyhood fantasies?


Ooppssss ... :oops:

too much information ... :(


Don't worry about it!! There was a 10 page nipple thread here a while back :lol: :lol:
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