Journey Setlist Discussion

[ProgRocker53]

1- Do you think Journey would be taken more seriously by critics and people as a whole, if they toured behind their whole catalogue instead of just the hits?

2- What hits do you think Journey could do without, or suffer without?

3- What's a good proportion, to you, of new songs played during a new album tour?

4- What songs do you think should be dusted off, added, re-done, enhanced, and retired?

5- Does the fact that Journey has a 80% identical setlist from night to night, prevent you from attending more shows?

6- What are your thoughts on Journey doing an occasional cover, or perhaps an occasional full-frontal unrehearsed jam?

[Don]

They should get rid of their opening acts and do 5 or more Survivor songs, wearing Members Only jackets, before they offcially come on to play the Journey set.

[S2M]

They should do the entire new CD....wearing Those Member's Only jackets, those foldable sunglasses(circa 1983?), corduroys, and have a Tab vending machine onstage....

[ProgRocker53]

They should do the entire new CD

I agree with that much of your post for sure.

Rush did something like 8 or 9 songs from their new album when I saw them. Porcupine Tree, whole new album. Airbourne, almost their entire new album.

When I saw Journey for the first and only time, not even a year after Generations was released... they didn't play a single song that was younger than 23 years old.

[S2M]

They should do the entire new CD

I agree with that much of your post for sure.

Rush did something like 8 or 9 songs from their new album when I saw them. Porcupine Tree, whole new album. Airbourne, almost their entire new album.

When I saw Journey for the first and only time, not even a year after Generations was released... they didn't play a single song that was younger than 23 years old.

Ahem....can you really blame them, considering Generations, Red13, and most of Arrival?

[ProgRocker53]

Faith in the Heartland- Great song.
The Place in Your Heart- Good song.
Out of Harms Way- Great song.
Never Too Late- Good song.


All four of these tunes could hold up fairly well in a live setting and have qualities that could hook casual listeners easily.

Higher Place, Signs of Life, To Be Alive Again, We Will Meet Again, Livin' to Do, Nothin' Comes Close, World Gone Wild, All the Things, I've Got A Reason....

ALL those songs are at least good, and most of those would be killer live..

[S2M]

Faith in the Heartland- Great song.
The Place in Your Heart- Good song.
Out of Harms Way- Great song.
Never Too Late- Good song.


All four of these tunes could hold up fairly well in a live setting and have qualities that could hook casual listeners easily.

Higher Places, Signs of Life, To Be Alive Again, We Will Meet Again, Livin' to Do, Nothin' Comes Close, World Gone Wild, All the Things, I've Got A Reason....

ALL those songs are at least good, and most of those would be killer live..

I would ONLY agree with you if they were recorded by a no-name group. But once known that it is 'Journey', it kind of ruins the experience. If FiTH was released, but they didn't say WHO sang it - I think I would like it more....you know what I mean?

[ProgRocker53]

Faith in the Heartland- Great song.
The Place in Your Heart- Good song.
Out of Harms Way- Great song.
Never Too Late- Good song.


All four of these tunes could hold up fairly well in a live setting and have qualities that could hook casual listeners easily.

Higher Places, Signs of Life, To Be Alive Again, We Will Meet Again, Livin' to Do, Nothin' Comes Close, World Gone Wild, All the Things, I've Got A Reason....

ALL those songs are at least good, and most of those would be killer live..

I would ONLY agree with you if they were recorded by a no-name group. But once known that it is 'Journey', it kind of ruins the experience. If FiTH was released, but they didn't say WHO sang it - I think I would like it more....you know what I mean?

Makes no sense to me, actually.

I think good songs can stand on their own legs without a name behind them.

Faith in the Heartland is EXCELLENT. I don't care if the band behind it is known as Journey, Panic at the Disco, Led Zeppelin, Rage Against the Machine, David Hasselhoff, Nirvana, Air Supply, or Kraftwerk. If I have the audio featured on Gens or even on Rev., or that very audio represented in a loose, live setting.... I'm thrilled.

[hoagiepete]

Just thinking the other day, I wish we'd hear some of the older obscure songs like When You're Alone it Ain't Easy. That would make it worth the while for me. I am tired of the dirty dozen, Arnel or not. Mix it up, might sell more older releases to the younger fans anyway.

[Rick]

If they would just do a concert that doesn't have a dirty dozen song in it, I'd be happy. But that will not, and for the casual fans, better not ever happen.

[conversationpc]

1- Do you think Journey would be taken more seriously by critics and people as a whole, if they toured behind their whole catalogue instead of just the hits?

2- What hits do you think Journey could do without, or suffer without?

3- What's a good proportion, to you, of new songs played during a new album tour?

4- What songs do you think should be dusted off, added, re-done, enhanced, and retired?

5- Does the fact that Journey has a 80% identical setlist from night to night, prevent you from attending more shows?

6- What are your thoughts on Journey doing an occasional cover, or perhaps an occasional full-frontal unrehearsed jam?

1 - No

2 - Any Way You Want It, Send Her My Love, Open Arms

3 - 4 at the minimum, preferably 5 or 6.

4 - Dusted off/added: Feeling that Way, Anytime, Just the Same Way, Winds of March, Sweet and Simple, Girl Can't Help It, Why Can't This Night Go on Forever, When You Love a Woman, Higher Place, Livin' to Do

5 - No

6 - Go for it!

[Eric]

1- Do you think Journey would be taken more seriously by critics and people as a whole, if they toured behind their whole catalogue instead of just the hits?
NO

2- What hits do you think Journey could do without, or suffer without?
They aren't playing some of them now, but they should cut LTS

3- What's a good proportion, to you, of new songs played during a new album tour?
They are doing 5 nd thats more than they normally do and its a good number

4- What songs do you think should be dusted off, added, re-done, enhanced, and retired?
They dusted off tons in 2005 and then in Europe with JSS in 2007. I'd like a smal tour where they played some more rare stuff. I'd like Just the Same Way added back in.

5- Does the fact that Journey has a 80% identical setlist from night to night, prevent you from attending more shows?
its not bad this year or in 2005. 2002 was the worst.

6- What are your thoughts on Journey doing an occasional cover, or perhaps an occasional full-frontal unrehearsed jam?

Covers suck ass and they have too many great songs the don't even play. Jams are good though.

[mikemarrs]

what does everyone think of this idea?

have an 'infinity' night where they play that whole album,plus a few new songs,plus hits.

then a few dates later maybe play 'evolution' entirely plus a few new songs,and a few hits.

then departure,escape,frontiers,etc.....

[Matthew]

what does everyone think of this idea?

have an 'infinity' night where they play that whole album,plus a few new songs,plus hits.

then a few dates later maybe play 'evolution' entirely plus a few new songs,and a few hits.

then departure,escape,frontiers,etc.....

That would be great...and some bands have done this already...Stooges...Suede...etc.

[RedWingFan]

what does everyone think of this idea?

have an 'infinity' night where they play that whole album,plus a few new songs,plus hits.

I'd love this to happen just so I could hear "Something To Hide" eat Arnel alive, and squash all the "better than Perry" talk.

[Since 78]

what does everyone think of this idea?

have an 'infinity' night where they play that whole album,plus a few new songs,plus hits.

I'd love this to happen just so I could hear "Something To Hide" eat Arnel alive, and squash all the "better than Perry" talk.

It would be interesting to find out! I agree that Arnels voice probably isn't suited for early Perry material.

[Don]

what does everyone think of this idea?

have an 'infinity' night where they play that whole album,plus a few new songs,plus hits.

I'd love this to happen just so I could hear "Something To Hide" eat Arnel alive, and squash all the "better than Perry" talk.

It would be interesting to find out! I agree that Arnels voice probably isn't suited for early Perry material.

In the long run, Perry's vocal chords probably wish that he wouldn't have been suited for that stuff. I wonder if he sits in his studio at home and once in a while throws on Infinity and just goes for it. I could really see him, being the emotional guy he is, playing back the tape and lamenting that the magic has finally slipped away from him.

[Since 78]

what does everyone think of this idea?

have an 'infinity' night where they play that whole album,plus a few new songs,plus hits.

I'd love this to happen just so I could hear "Something To Hide" eat Arnel alive, and squash all the "better than Perry" talk.

It would be interesting to find out! I agree that Arnels voice probably isn't suited for early Perry material.

In the long run, Perry's vocal chords probably wish that he wouldn't have been suited for that stuff. I wonder if he sits in his studio at home and once in a while throws on Infinity and just goes for it. I could really see him, being the emotional guy he is, playing back the tape and lamenting that the magic has finally slipped away from him.

That would Suck !!

[DrFU]

I have no need to hear Open Arms, Lights, or Don't Stop Believin' live ever again. But I understand that the people who share this view with me could meet in a phone booth at the average concert.

[Don]

what does everyone think of this idea?

have an 'infinity' night where they play that whole album,plus a few new songs,plus hits.

I'd love this to happen just so I could hear "Something To Hide" eat Arnel alive, and squash all the "better than Perry" talk.

It would be interesting to find out! I agree that Arnels voice probably isn't suited for early Perry material.

In the long run, Perry's vocal chords probably wish that he wouldn't have been suited for that stuff. I wonder if he sits in his studio at home and once in a while throws on Infinity and just goes for it. I could really see him, being the emotional guy he is, playing back the tape and lamenting that the magic has finally slipped away from him.

That would Suck !!

As your killing Tecates tonight, pull one down for Steve. You know, just in case.

[Since 78]

what does everyone think of this idea?

have an 'infinity' night where they play that whole album,plus a few new songs,plus hits.

I'd love this to happen just so I could hear "Something To Hide" eat Arnel alive, and squash all the "better than Perry" talk.

It would be interesting to find out! I agree that Arnels voice probably isn't suited for early Perry material.

In the long run, Perry's vocal chords probably wish that he wouldn't have been suited for that stuff. I wonder if he sits in his studio at home and once in a while throws on Infinity and just goes for it. I could really see him, being the emotional guy he is, playing back the tape and lamenting that the magic has finally slipped away from him.

That would Suck !!

As your killing Tecates tonight, pull one down for Steve. You know, just in case.

Got it covered !!!

[jrnyfan@nc.rr.com]

1. No, at this point the band depends on the dirty dozen; while the songs from Revelation are pretty decent, none of them will ever be "classics."
2- Escape could go (tho I'd hate it; my fav song), and personally I think Ask the Lonely could use a rest (does it ever get radio airplay anymore?) I'd say Only the Young, too, but it feels like they only recently resurrected that one.
3- I gotta say I like what Perry did on the FTLOSM tour - aboout 25 - 30% new ones. But with them only doing shows with other bands these days, their set time isn't very long at all.
4- Bring out a couple of never-done Trial by Fire songs, and maybe one from Arrival.
5- No, just don't really do multiple shows - I give this band enough damn money.
6- Eh, hard to say. I didn't dig the couple of Santana songs they did years back. How about "Good Times?"

[S2M]

I'd like to see Arnel stumble and bumble on 'Liberty'.....

[separate_wayz]

Faith in the Heartland- Great song.
The Place in Your Heart- Good song.
Out of Harms Way- Great song.
Never Too Late- Good song.


All four of these tunes could hold up fairly well in a live setting and have qualities that could hook casual listeners easily.

Higher Place, Signs of Life, To Be Alive Again, We Will Meet Again, Livin' to Do, Nothin' Comes Close, World Gone Wild, All the Things, I've Got A Reason....

ALL those songs are at least good, and most of those would be killer live..

Journey's got some great post-Perry songs -- I'd agree with your list, although I'd swap "The Place in Your Heart" with "Faith in the Heartland". The latter is a good song (even a very good song). But TPIYH is a solid rocker -- a great song. If they were to re-record something from 'Generations' for 'Revelation', I had hoped it would be TPIYH instead of FITH. (As it stands, I wasn't enamoured with the re-recording of FITH -- fell flat for me. I think the original captured much more energy.)

I'd like to see Journey start adopting some post-Perry songs as "new classics" -- essentially playing them regularly at almost every concert. Maybe they'll start doing that from this point forward, perhaps with "After All These Years". (If AATY goes into the Top 5 on the Hot AC chart, and certainly if it goes to #1, they better do this.)

[Arkansas]

what does everyone think of this idea?

have an 'infinity' night where they play that whole album,plus a few new songs,plus hits.

then a few dates later maybe play 'evolution' entirely plus a few new songs,and a few hits.

then departure,escape,frontiers,etc.....

That would be great...and some bands have done this already...Stooges...Suede...etc.

Didn't Queensryche do this too? I think I remember a Mindcrime night in Dallas.


later~

[ProgRocker53]

Faith in the Heartland- Great song.
The Place in Your Heart- Good song.
Out of Harms Way- Great song.
Never Too Late- Good song.


All four of these tunes could hold up fairly well in a live setting and have qualities that could hook casual listeners easily.

Higher Place, Signs of Life, To Be Alive Again, We Will Meet Again, Livin' to Do, Nothin' Comes Close, World Gone Wild, All the Things, I've Got A Reason....

ALL those songs are at least good, and most of those would be killer live..

Journey's got some great post-Perry songs -- I'd agree with your list, although I'd swap "The Place in Your Heart" with "Faith in the Heartland". The latter is a good song (even a very good song). But TPIYH is a solid rocker -- a great song. If they were to re-record something from 'Generations' for 'Revelation', I had hoped it would be TPIYH instead of FITH. (As it stands, I wasn't enamoured with the re-recording of FITH -- fell flat for me. I think the original captured much more energy.)

I'd like to see Journey start adopting some post-Perry songs as "new classics" -- essentially playing them regularly at almost every concert. Maybe they'll start doing that from this point forward, perhaps with "After All These Years". (If AATY goes into the Top 5 on the Hot AC chart, and certainly if it goes to #1, they better do this.)

As awesome that it is that AATY is charting highly, I would HATE IT if AATY got played at every concert from now on.

The less power ballads played at a concert, the better for me.... keep Faithfully because it's a brilliant song, but seriously, don't sap it up any more than that unless you have at least a 2.5 hour show.

[Rick]

I'd like to see Arnel stumble and bumble on 'Liberty'.....

Dude.

[separate_wayz]

Faith in the Heartland- Great song.
The Place in Your Heart- Good song.
Out of Harms Way- Great song.
Never Too Late- Good song.


All four of these tunes could hold up fairly well in a live setting and have qualities that could hook casual listeners easily.

Higher Place, Signs of Life, To Be Alive Again, We Will Meet Again, Livin' to Do, Nothin' Comes Close, World Gone Wild, All the Things, I've Got A Reason....

ALL those songs are at least good, and most of those would be killer live..

Journey's got some great post-Perry songs -- I'd agree with your list, although I'd swap "The Place in Your Heart" with "Faith in the Heartland". The latter is a good song (even a very good song). But TPIYH is a solid rocker -- a great song. If they were to re-record something from 'Generations' for 'Revelation', I had hoped it would be TPIYH instead of FITH. (As it stands, I wasn't enamoured with the re-recording of FITH -- fell flat for me. I think the original captured much more energy.)

I'd like to see Journey start adopting some post-Perry songs as "new classics" -- essentially playing them regularly at almost every concert. Maybe they'll start doing that from this point forward, perhaps with "After All These Years". (If AATY goes into the Top 5 on the Hot AC chart, and certainly if it goes to #1, they better do this.)

As awesome that it is that AATY is charting highly, I would HATE IT if AATY got played at every concert from now on.

The less power ballads played at a concert, the better for me.... keep Faithfully because it's a brilliant song, but seriously, don't sap it up any more than that unless you have at least a 2.5 hour show.

I don't disagree with you. I just think that during a "normal" tour (where Journey headlines and has a longer setlist) they could start working a new "Dirty Half-Dozen" into the setlist. And some -- like AATY -- could substitute for some wellworn classics, like 'Open Arms' or 'Who's Cryin' Now'.

Why not regularly rotate a number of these into the setlist?

Remember Me
Higher Place
Faith in the Heartland
The Place in Your Heart
Never Walk Away
Wildest Dreams
After All These Years

[ProgRocker53]

Faith in the Heartland- Great song.
The Place in Your Heart- Good song.
Out of Harms Way- Great song.
Never Too Late- Good song.


All four of these tunes could hold up fairly well in a live setting and have qualities that could hook casual listeners easily.

Higher Place, Signs of Life, To Be Alive Again, We Will Meet Again, Livin' to Do, Nothin' Comes Close, World Gone Wild, All the Things, I've Got A Reason....

ALL those songs are at least good, and most of those would be killer live..

Journey's got some great post-Perry songs -- I'd agree with your list, although I'd swap "The Place in Your Heart" with "Faith in the Heartland". The latter is a good song (even a very good song). But TPIYH is a solid rocker -- a great song. If they were to re-record something from 'Generations' for 'Revelation', I had hoped it would be TPIYH instead of FITH. (As it stands, I wasn't enamoured with the re-recording of FITH -- fell flat for me. I think the original captured much more energy.)

I'd like to see Journey start adopting some post-Perry songs as "new classics" -- essentially playing them regularly at almost every concert. Maybe they'll start doing that from this point forward, perhaps with "After All These Years". (If AATY goes into the Top 5 on the Hot AC chart, and certainly if it goes to #1, they better do this.)

As awesome that it is that AATY is charting highly, I would HATE IT if AATY got played at every concert from now on.

The less power ballads played at a concert, the better for me.... keep Faithfully because it's a brilliant song, but seriously, don't sap it up any more than that unless you have at least a 2.5 hour show.

I don't disagree with you. I just think that during a "normal" tour (where Journey headlines and has a longer setlist) they could start working a new "Dirty Half-Dozen" into the setlist. And some -- like AATY -- could substitute for some wellworn classics, like 'Open Arms' or 'Who's Cryin' Now'.

Why not regularly rotate a number of these into the setlist?

Remember Me
Higher Place
Faith in the Heartland
The Place in Your Heart
Never Walk Away
Wildest Dreams
After All These Years

Hey I'd like for AATY to be "subbed in" for OA, now there's a good idea. WCN's guitar solo is too awesome to keep it on the bench, however...

Your list of Post-Perry songs include some dang fine tunes and none of them would sound out of place along the normal hits in a Journey setlist... maybe Change for the Better would be a better call than Wildest Dreams, though.

[S2M]

I'd like to see Arnel stumble and bumble on 'Liberty'.....

Dude.

yes?