MEET AND GREET AT SAN DIEGO CONCERT

[EightyRock]

He looks overwhelmed by those people getting so close and touchy feely. What the hell is wrong with people? They even bring their little kids backstage and have him get down at face level to get a picture. I see a throat infection looming for the dude. Not too bright on anybody's part.

[wildone]

He looks overwhelmed by those people getting so close and touchy feely. What the hell is wrong with people? They even bring their little kids backstage and have him get down at face level to get a picture. I see a throat infection looming for the dude. Not too bright on anybody's part.

Come on the $$$$ signs are in the way of neils senses as usual...he knows he can find another fill in on youtube hell it's like WALMART to him!!!hahahaha

[SusieP]

He looks overwhelmed by those people getting so close and touchy feely. What the hell is wrong with people? They even bring their little kids backstage and have him get down at face level to get a picture. I see a throat infection looming for the dude. Not too bright on anybody's part.

I couldn't believe how people behave. Those clips have opened my eyes.
He seems such a nice guy, and it's a shame his good nature is being taken advantage of like that.

I hate it when someone invades my space.
And yes it's part of his job to meet and greet, but ewwww, get out of his face woman!

[oakley_reef]

im from nowhere island
i have no good english, so go easy with me lol

Thats cool buddy, stick with me, ill show you all the ropes. Before you know it, you ll be quoting, spelling, and talking good slang just like me, Ill throw in some Friga talk , cause i like your honesty. You already got a good start with your Aviatar {picture} You re okay dude, we will be a fucking team.Rock On from that reef you are from

your fucking cool dude lol so you are my idol now.
would you like to allow me to use ur friga word b'cause i really like it lol
im fucking crzy with your avatar dude i love it!lol

[oakley_reef]

You forgot to ask if Reef is allergic to cats, specifically pink kittens.

dude im not allergic with pink kittens only pussy-cats lol

[Saint John]

These Meet and Greets are completely fucking bogus. They should be limited to far fewer people and there should be an absolutely "No Touching" rule that is strictly enforced. Mauling and fawning all over people is unacceptable. Journey's security sucks and should be reconsidered immediately. Toomey should be in charge of keeping people away from Arnel. He's probably the only guy with the balls to heave people out of the Meet and Greet if they touch him. They should use the fact that the guy is a prick to their advantage for once. I would cut out Meet and Greets immediately. I'm sure they could find another way to make up the income. They're giving fans far too much access and it's got to be overbearing, invasive, annoying and repetitive to a guy that just wants to sing and take care of his voice. I now see why Perry ducked out of these things. Good for him.

[EightyRock]

They're giving fans far too much access and it's got to be overbearing, invasive, annoying and repetitive to a guy that just wants to sing and take care of his voice. I now see why Perry ducked out of these things. Good for him.

Ya think? Two or three fans mauling Arnel is nothing, zip, nada, compared to what Perry dealt with people trying to rip his hair out and get all over him. Geez, the dude had chics in a hotel elevator where they stayed that were hot on his trail. He was in that same elevator in a disguise listening to what they'd do to him if they found him. We have no idea what he went through, nor do the rest of Journey, since they weren't hounded by chics or the press in the same way. It's part of the reason he isolated himself.

Just look at Arnel. He's got a few people in his face and he looks overwhelmed. Now maybe you can see how much Journey gives a shit about their singers. They are a disposable commodity. Perry became a hardass becauses he had to survive. Nobody was gonna protect his voice, unless he did it himself. With the tour schedule they had all those years, it's not that tough to see why he wasn't at every meet & greet and took it upon himself to protect his money maker....Journey's money maker! Reclusive and not fan friendly? No. Smart as hell? Yep.

Arnel needs to grow a set, sort his priorities and protect his voice, or he 'll be another one of their disposable vocalists.

[Tito]

These Meet and Greets are completely fucking bogus. They should be limited to far fewer people and there should be an absolutely "No Touching" rule that is strictly enforced. Mauling and fawning all over people is unacceptable. Journey's security sucks and should be reconsidered immediately. Toomey should be in charge of keeping people away from Arnel. He's probably the only guy with the balls to heave people out of the Meet and Greet if they touch him. They should use the fact that the guy is a prick to their advantage for once. I would cut out Meet and Greets immediately. I'm sure they could find another way to make up the income. They're giving fans far too much access and it's got to be overbearing, invasive, annoying and repetitive to a guy that just wants to sing and take care of his voice. I now see why Perry ducked out of these things. Good for him.

Toomey probably lost his fire inside when his appreciation thread got shut down. He is human too.

Why do you hate Southwest Airlines? They lose a bag or something?

[Michigan Girl]

Toomey probably lost his fire inside when his appreciation thread got shut down. He is human too.

[Saint John]

Why do you hate Southwest Airlines? They lose a bag or something?

No, but they charged me $163 to change my fucking flight. Ultimately, I am the asshole that booked the wrong flight, though. I just think that amount was a bit too much. Doesn't matter though because I won enough money that my entire Vegas vacation was free anyway. And the front row seats absolutely rocked. Funny how some 5 star Journey people were behind me. They paid like $450 for those seats!!! I guess the extra $300 is worth it because they get to meet the band. Not worth it to me. Join the Heart fan club and you actually get the ticket prices at a discounted rate and you get great seats. Journey's 5 star package is a complete ripoff. Personally, I would limit Meet and Greets to 1 time per person per tour. There is no way the guys want to see the same fucking mugs backstage more than once per tour!!!

[CatEyes]

All that mauling will end the SECOND any one of them gets a sniffle, or sneezes.

I believe I read some where that this was the reason Perry did not always participate in the meet and greets - he needed to stay away from the germ carriers to keep his voice ready for the next night.

Cat

[brywool]

hard to watch. People just have this "it's all about me" 'tude going on... ugh...

Arnel is really good sport about it. That'd drive me crazy.

[Arkansas]

... that this is a pretty normal practice in the Philippines---and socially accceptable. They said fans do these kind of stuff with popular Filipino singers, actors, actresses, politicians, etc. In other words it's cultural! That is, it may be considered inappropriate in the U.S. and elsewhere, but it's almost like a tradition in the Philippines! (I'm not sure though if this is true in other Asian countries).
...

I don't believe it's cultural. I believe it's evolutionary. If the Philippines had the rock-n-roll history that America does, then I'm sure their fans would have evolved/matured. Think about the way we mobbed Elvis & The Beatles 40 yrs ago, not to mention every big country & pop star throughout last century. If there were as many 'rock stars' in the Philippines, all the money associated with it, the huge entertainment industry, and all the life-long careers on the line, then I'm sure they'd required meet & greets to be more guarded. But there are no real icons over there. They're not larger-than-life international stars, they're basically just local celebrities. Mobbing a celebrity isn't culture, it's just a form of early childhood development.


later~

[southtexan]

... that this is a pretty normal practice in the Philippines---and socially accceptable. They said fans do these kind of stuff with popular Filipino singers, actors, actresses, politicians, etc. In other words it's cultural! That is, it may be considered inappropriate in the U.S. and elsewhere, but it's almost like a tradition in the Philippines! (I'm not sure though if this is true in other Asian countries).
...

I don't believe it's cultural. I believe it's evolutionary. If the Philippines had the rock-n-roll history that America does, then I'm sure their fans would have evolved/matured. Think about the way we mobbed Elvis & The Beatles 40 yrs ago, not to mention every big country & pop star throughout last century. If there were as many 'rock stars' in the Philippines, all the money associated with it, the huge entertainment industry, and all the life-long careers on the line, then I'm sure they'd required meet & greets to be more guarded. But there are no real icons over there. They're not larger-than-life international stars, they're basically just local celebrities. Mobbing a celebrity isn't culture, it's just a form of early childhood development.


later~

i believe the lady that was all over pineda is one of my chicano folks...
she has waited for that moment since chile gig. her time has come. whatever that means to her, she was enjoying her moment.

[Natalie]

Ultimately, I am the asshole.

Yes, yes you are.

[edcha]

... that this is a pretty normal practice in the Philippines---and socially accceptable. They said fans do these kind of stuff with popular Filipino singers, actors, actresses, politicians, etc. In other words it's cultural! That is, it may be considered inappropriate in the U.S. and elsewhere, but it's almost like a tradition in the Philippines! (I'm not sure though if this is true in other Asian countries).
...

I don't believe it's cultural. I believe it's evolutionary..... Mobbing a celebrity isn't culture, it's just a form of early childhood development.

later~

I’m not an expert on evolution as you are. But I believe insinuating that people in the Philippines are 40 years behind in the music evolution timeline is a product of an overstretched imagination of some sort—and I can say that right off the bat---even without consulting first with my Filipino friends on what they think.

BTW, I’m not sure where you got your seemingly mixed up “expert” opinion, but my reliable professional sources said that childhood development is dependent on culture! It's cultural!!! contrary to your belief!

http://www.ucsc.edu/currents/02-03/03-2 ... pment.html

http://www.questia.com/googleScholar.qs ... d=77006595 (pls. copy & paste on your browser including the end numbers)

That's why Asians beat us, Americans, in math! Our math evolution timeline is obviously way behind our Asian counterparts (although of course, that's another story...)

[Don]

... that this is a pretty normal practice in the Philippines---and socially accceptable. They said fans do these kind of stuff with popular Filipino singers, actors, actresses, politicians, etc. In other words it's cultural! That is, it may be considered inappropriate in the U.S. and elsewhere, but it's almost like a tradition in the Philippines! (I'm not sure though if this is true in other Asian countries).
...

I don't believe it's cultural. I believe it's evolutionary..... Mobbing a celebrity isn't culture, it's just a form of early childhood development.

later~

I’m not an expert on evolution as you are. But I believe insinuating that people in the Philippines are 40 years behind in the music evolution timeline is a product of an overstretched imagination of some sort—and I can say that right off the bat---even without consulting first with my Filipino friends on what they think.

BTW, I’m not sure where you got your seemingly mixed up “expert” opinion, but my reliable professional source said that childhood development is dependent on culture! It's cultural!!! contrary to your belief!

http://www.ucsc.edu/currents/02-03/03-2 ... pment.html

I believe his point was, if the Philippines had more international superstars, the mentality would be different, Local celebrities can handle the occasional mobs, but when you become an international commodity worth millions of dollars to your investors, obviously your well being becomes of paramount importance from the business stand point that you are now an asset that must be protected so as not to be come damaged goods and devalued. I believe Lea Salonga handles her meet and greets a little differently since she won a Tony award, compared to some of the other local stars who haven't really tasted success beyond the Pacific rim besides playing a few venues in Vegas or L.A. to predominately Filipino and Asian audiences.

[Lora]

Ya think? Two or three fans mauling Arnel is nothing, zip, nada, compared to what Perry dealt with people trying to rip his hair out and get all over him. We have no idea what he went through, nor do the rest of Journey, since they weren't hounded by chics or the press in the same way. It's part of the reason he isolated himself.

So very true. I witnessed it first hand. When they were touring, the band would register in hotels under assumed names but fans would still find them. I remember one time Cyndy and I were in Texas in 1986 doing an interview with Steve for Journey Force. We couldn't get the interview done at the venue so went back to the hotel after the show. Girls were calling his room so much he had to have the switch board operator shut down the phone. Girls were knocking on his door and trying to turn the door knob. I've seen people grab him, hug him, try and kiss him, touch his hair - all totally inappropriate.

Getting excited around a celebrity or someone you admire is understandable, but there are limits. That's why a good security person is key. Then the artist doesn't have to be the bad guy and tell the fan to back off. Someone else can.

[Deb]

Getting excited around a celebrity or someone you admire is understandable, but there are limits. That's why a good security person is key. Then the artist doesn't have to be the bad guy and tell the fan to back off. Someone else can.

Annnnnd some of us just freeze. Me and L from Burbank were so shocked when we met him, we actually started backing up when he approached. If he hadn't reached out for the hugs I would never have even dreamed of invading his personal space for one. I have to laugh at Cyndy and I a few weeks ago, we were both being so damn shy and polite about invading Jeff's space, we actually had to drag each other over for pictures. What was up with that?

[edcha]

... that this is a pretty normal practice in the Philippines---and socially accceptable. They said fans do these kind of stuff with popular Filipino singers, actors, actresses, politicians, etc. In other words it's cultural! That is, it may be considered inappropriate in the U.S. and elsewhere, but it's almost like a tradition in the Philippines! (I'm not sure though if this is true in other Asian countries).
...

I don't believe it's cultural. I believe it's evolutionary..... Mobbing a celebrity isn't culture, it's just a form of early childhood development.

later~

I’m not an expert on evolution as you are. But I believe insinuating that people in the Philippines are 40 years behind in the music evolution timeline is a product of an overstretched imagination of some sort—and I can say that right off the bat---even without consulting first with my Filipino friends on what they think.

BTW, I’m not sure where you got your seemingly mixed up “expert” opinion, but my reliable professional source said that childhood development is dependent on culture! It's cultural!!! contrary to your belief!

http://www.ucsc.edu/currents/02-03/03-2 ... pment.html

I believe his point was, if the Philippines had more international superstars, the mentality would be different, Local celebrities can handle the occasional mobs, but when you become an international commodity worth millions of dollars to your investors, obviously your well being becomes of paramount importance from the business stand point that you are now an asset that must be protected so as not to be come damaged goods and devalued. I believe Lea Salonga handles her meet and greets a little differently since she won a Tony award, compared to some of the other local stars who haven't really tasted success beyond the Pacific rim besides playing a few venues in Vegas or L.A. to predominately Filipino and Asian audiences.

Gunbot, of course I understood his (Arkansas') point! I just did not accept his premise.

[edcha]

Ya think? Two or three fans mauling Arnel is nothing, zip, nada, compared to what Perry dealt with people trying to rip his hair out and get all over him. We have no idea what he went through, nor do the rest of Journey, since they weren't hounded by chics or the press in the same way. It's part of the reason he isolated himself.

So very true. I witnessed it first hand. When they were touring, the band would register in hotels under assumed names but fans would still find them. I remember one time Cyndy and I were in Texas in 1986 doing an interview with Steve for Journey Force. We couldn't get the interview done at the venue so went back to the hotel after the show. Girls were calling his room so much he had to have the switch board operator shut down the phone. Girls were knocking on his door and trying to turn the door knob. I've seen people grab him, hug him, try and kiss him, touch his hair - all totally inappropriate...

Arkansas wrote earlier..."If the Philippines had the rock-n-roll history that America does, then I'm sure their fans would have evolved/matured..."

Lora, I guess your actual experience proves to me that even we, Americans, have not "evolved/matured" as fast as Arkansas would like to believe!
Or maybe, this proves that the behavior is not evolutionary nor is it cultural! Perhaps it's just plain personal!

[tammy]

Getting excited around a celebrity or someone you admire is understandable, but there are limits. That's why a good security person is key. Then the artist doesn't have to be the bad guy and tell the fan to back off. Someone else can.

Annnnnd some of us just freeze. Me and L from Burbank were so shocked when we met him, we actually started backing up when he approached. If he hadn't reached out for the hugs I would never have even dreamed of invading his personal space for one. I have to laugh at Cyndy and I a few weeks ago, we were both being so damn shy and polite about invading Jeff's space, we actually had to drag each other over for pictures. What was up with that?

I did the same thing at the WOF ceremony...I was too frickin' polite and didn't even ask to shake his hand! lol. I was so overwhelmed by seeing him right in front of me - I could also sense he was too, by all these arms flying at him to sign this & that...and, that security guy was giving the evil eye...funny, I swear I saw that bodyguard in some English movie a few months later. I'm not a pushy demanding person so I could never go invading someone's space....but, I'm still sad that I didn't get to 'touch him' oh, well...I was in Visalia this weekend and I always feel kinda close to SP there since it's not far from his hometown...btw, where is the ROR radio station ...SP said it was off Hwy 198 and it was weird that I thought of it right as we were picking up my sister's MIL for lunch...at the end of her street I saw a 'tower' and an old little white squarish building with glass block windows, that had a medical or dental sign on it ...it was on Walnut near Mooney. Lora, do you know where the ROR station is exactly?

[Arkansas]

Expert? No, far from.
Premise? Nope, just preliminary speculation.
I just like to try to think about things from different angles.
I assure you. I am nobody. I like it that way.



later~

[edcha]

Expert? No, far from.
Premise? Nope, just preliminary speculation.
I just like to try to think about things from different angles.
I assure you. I am nobody. I like it that way.



later~

When you wrote "I'm sure" twice in your piece---I thought that's pretty firm and authoritative...definitely not speculation. At any rate, no harm done...p-e-a-c-e!

[Tito]

So very true. I witnessed it first hand. When they were touring, the band would register in hotels under assumed names but fans would still find them. I remember one time Cyndy and I were in Texas in 1986 doing an interview with Steve for Journey Force. We couldn't get the interview done at the venue so went back to the hotel after the show. Girls were calling his room so much he had to have the switch board operator shut down the phone. Girls were knocking on his door and trying to turn the door knob. I've seen people grab him, hug him, try and kiss him, touch his hair - all totally inappropriate.

Getting excited around a celebrity or someone you admire is understandable, but there are limits. That's why a good security person is key. Then the artist doesn't have to be the bad guy and tell the fan to back off. Someone else can.

I wished I could have done the appreciation thread for you guys. It was deserved.

I did witness him get mobbed leaving the Milwaukee venue during the FTOLSM tour. That was scary. They were grabbing him and everything.

[Arkansas]

Expert? No, far from.
Premise? Nope, just preliminary speculation.
I just like to try to think about things from different angles.
I assure you. I am nobody. I like it that way.



later~

When you wrote "I'm sure" twice in your piece---I thought that's pretty firm and authoritative...definitely not speculation. At any rate, no harm done...p-e-a-c-e!

Do as ye will...harm no one. Namaste.

We should talk some time. I'll tell you about Subic Bay...and you can tell me about the vast Filipino community in NW Arkansas.




later~

[Lora]

Lora, do you know where the ROR station is exactly?

I haven't been there in decades but I believe it is on Hwy 198 near Hanford. The station's call letters used to be KNGS (for Kings County) but by the time I went there, it was a country station. There was a platinum award for ROR on the wall then which I thought was pretty neat. Not sure if the station is still there anymore or not.

[edcha]

Expert? No, far from.
Premise? Nope, just preliminary speculation.
I just like to try to think about things from different angles.
I assure you. I am nobody. I like it that way.



later~

When you wrote "I'm sure" twice in your piece---I thought that's pretty firm and authoritative...definitely not speculation. At any rate, no harm done...p-e-a-c-e!

Do as ye will...harm no one. Namaste.

We should talk some time. I'll tell you about Subic Bay...and you can tell me about the vast Filipino community in NW Arkansas.

later~

Did you serve with the U.S. Navy before? Are you up to date on what has happened to Subic since it was turned over to Phil govt?
BTW, the Filipino community is not vast in NW Arkansas. I believe what is vast is the Hispanic community, followed by the Marshallese community.

[oakley_reef]

So very true. I witnessed it first hand. When they were touring, the band would register in hotels under assumed names but fans would still find them. I remember one time Cyndy and I were in Texas in 1986 doing an interview with Steve for Journey Force. We couldn't get the interview done at the venue so went back to the hotel after the show. Girls were calling his room so much he had to have the switch board operator shut down the phone. Girls were knocking on his door and trying to turn the door knob. I've seen people grab him, hug him, try and kiss him, touch his hair - all totally inappropriate.

Getting excited around a celebrity or someone you admire is understandable, but there are limits. That's why a good security person is key. Then the artist doesn't have to be the bad guy and tell the fan to back off. Someone else can.

I wished I could have done the appreciation thread for you guys. It was deserved.

I did witness him get mobbed leaving the Milwaukee venue during the FTOLSM tour. That was scary. They were grabbing him and everything.

DO YOU MEAN THIS VID?

http://youtube.com/watch?v=c_CAXBT87So

[stevew2]

So very true. I witnessed it first hand. When they were touring, the band would register in hotels under assumed names but fans would still find them. I remember one time Cyndy and I were in Texas in 1986 doing an interview with Steve for Journey Force. We couldn't get the interview done at the venue so went back to the hotel after the show. Girls were calling his room so much he had to have the switch board operator shut down the phone. Girls were knocking on his door and trying to turn the door knob. I've seen people grab him, hug him, try and kiss him, touch his hair - all totally inappropriate.

Getting excited around a celebrity or someone you admire is understandable, but there are limits. That's why a good security person is key. Then the artist doesn't have to be the bad guy and tell the fan to back off. Someone else can.

I wished I could have done the appreciation thread for you guys. It was deserved.

I did witness him get mobbed leaving the Milwaukee venue during the FTOLSM tour. That was scary. They were grabbing him and everything.

Dont you wish you could have been there,you ld be front and center