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[Matthew]

It wasn't 100% clear. At no point did Perry definitively rule out a return to touring.

Oh, come on! Perry had an established history of sabotaging tours. The members of Journey most likely saw the writing on the proverbial wall at that point.

An established history of "sabotaging" tours? Well..he delivered brilliant and consistent performances on five out of the six Journey tours before the reunion. And he completed most of the ROR tour in any case. They'd been on the road from August 1986 until February 1987.

Plus he didn't "sabotage" final stage of the tour. He burnt out. Big, big difference.

As for writing on the wall in 1998...sure, but a hunch is hardly 100% proof Tito spoke of is it?

With past history and the fact he wasn't healthy yet to tour at that stage and wasn't getting any better = 100% he wasn't touring.

It was highly likely but it wasn't certain. We'll never know and it's preposterous for you or anyone else on this board to claim they do know.

[Matthew]

???? WTF has he done the last 12 years? Name one tour/show, one NEW CD released? He hasn't toured in 14 years! Or recorded anything new in 12 years! The writing was and is on the wall.

Don't take something you discovered in HINDSIGHT and place it in the context of the late 1990s....

Time has proven it to be true. It is a fact.

And therefore you admit there was an element of doubt before it was proven...

[Don]

It wasn't 100% clear. At no point did Perry definitively rule out a return to touring.

Oh, come on! Perry had an established history of sabotaging tours. The members of Journey most likely saw the writing on the proverbial wall at that point.

An established history of "sabotaging" tours? Well..he delivered brilliant and consistent performances on five out of the six Journey tours before the reunion. And he completed most of the ROR tour in any case. They'd been on the road from August 1986 until February 1987.

Plus he didn't "sabotage" final stage of the tour. He burnt out. Big, big difference.

As for writing on the wall in 1998...sure, but a hunch is hardly 100% proof Tito spoke of is it?

With past history and the fact he wasn't healthy yet to tour at that stage and wasn't getting any better = 100% he wasn't touring.

Did he not tour because he wasn't healthy or because he was working on "Against the wall"? And did Sony screw up his plans when they bought Columbia?

[Tito]

It wasn't 100% clear. At no point did Perry definitively rule out a return to touring.

Oh, come on! Perry had an established history of sabotaging tours. The members of Journey most likely saw the writing on the proverbial wall at that point.

An established history of "sabotaging" tours? Well..he delivered brilliant and consistent performances on five out of the six Journey tours before the reunion. And he completed most of the ROR tour in any case. They'd been on the road from August 1986 until February 1987.

Plus he didn't "sabotage" final stage of the tour. He burnt out. Big, big difference.

As for writing on the wall in 1998...sure, but a hunch is hardly 100% proof Tito spoke of is it?

With past history and the fact he wasn't healthy yet to tour at that stage and wasn't getting any better = 100% he wasn't touring.

Did he not tour because he wasn't healthy or because he was working on "Against the wall"? And did Sony screw up his plans when they bought Columbia?

No, Against the Wall was in '88, when he was burnt out , he hasn't done shit since '96 TBF.

[Matthew]

It wasn't 100% clear. At no point did Perry definitively rule out a return to touring.

Oh, come on! Perry had an established history of sabotaging tours. The members of Journey most likely saw the writing on the proverbial wall at that point.

An established history of "sabotaging" tours? Well..he delivered brilliant and consistent performances on five out of the six Journey tours before the reunion. And he completed most of the ROR tour in any case. They'd been on the road from August 1986 until February 1987.

Plus he didn't "sabotage" final stage of the tour. He burnt out. Big, big difference.

As for writing on the wall in 1998...sure, but a hunch is hardly 100% proof Tito spoke of is it?

With past history and the fact he wasn't healthy yet to tour at that stage and wasn't getting any better = 100% he wasn't touring.

Did he not tour because he wasn't healthy or because he was working on "Against the wall"? And did Sony screw up his plans when they bought Columbia?

He wasn't working on "Against The Wall" in early '87 was he?

[Tito]

It wasn't 100% clear. At no point did Perry definitively rule out a return to touring.

Oh, come on! Perry had an established history of sabotaging tours. The members of Journey most likely saw the writing on the proverbial wall at that point.

An established history of "sabotaging" tours? Well..he delivered brilliant and consistent performances on five out of the six Journey tours before the reunion. And he completed most of the ROR tour in any case. They'd been on the road from August 1986 until February 1987.

Plus he didn't "sabotage" final stage of the tour. He burnt out. Big, big difference.

As for writing on the wall in 1998...sure, but a hunch is hardly 100% proof Tito spoke of is it?

With past history and the fact he wasn't healthy yet to tour at that stage and wasn't getting any better = 100% he wasn't touring.

Did he not tour because he wasn't healthy or because he was working on "Against the wall"? And did Sony screw up his plans when they bought Columbia?

No, Against the Wall was in '88, when he was burnt out , he hasn't done shit since '96 TBF.

[Tito]

???? WTF has he done the last 12 years? Name one tour/show, one NEW CD released? He hasn't toured in 14 years! Or recorded anything new in 12 years! The writing was and is on the wall.

Don't take something you discovered in HINDSIGHT and place it in the context of the late 1990s....

Time has proven it to be true. It is a fact.

And therefore you admit there was an element of doubt before it was proven...

Alright you got me. They were 90+% sure he wasn't going to tour, the last 12 years has proven them to be 100% correct.

[Don]

So when you gys are talking about health issues you are referring to the hip problem? I probably missed something, my bad.

[Matthew]

No, Against the Wall was in '88, when he was burnt out

Why do you think Perry called a halt to the ROR tour, Tito? Just curious...

he hasn't done shit since '96 TBF.

Am I right in thinking Arnel has ony two CD's to his name? If I am...do you hold him in the same contempt for 'lack of activity'?

[Tito]

No, Against the Wall was in '88, when he was burnt out

Why do you think Perry called a halt to the ROR tour, Tito? Just curious...

he hasn't done shit since '96 TBF.

Am I right in thinking Arnel has ony two CD's to his name? If I am...do you hold him in the same contempt for 'lack of activity'?

No, he wasn't a superstar like Perry. There wasn't any interest in him at the time.

[slucero]

wow has this gotten off topic...

[ProgRocker53]

wow has this gotten off topic...

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