Looks like Luke "gets it".

[Tomulator]

Whatever you say, buttercup. I can't tell you what I love to eat on a family-oriented board like this, though.

"Buttercup"? That sounds sort of feminine...are you a "feminine" type of person?

[Tomulator]

The following are excerpts from the most recent Steve Lukather (ex-Toto) interview. Is he referring to "Journey"?

Hmmm...


"Jeb: Do you think you will be accused of being self-indulgent?

Steve: I see it as just the opposite. If I was going to be self-indulgent then I would hire some guy who sounds just like Bobby and play the hits. Maybe other people want to do that sort of thing but I am trying to separate myself from it all. "


He goes on to say,


"...I don’t want to end up a bunch of washed up cats sucking the marrow out of whatever is left of the legacy."


Says it all.

Sounds like he's talking about Journey to me.

He did say legacy so he sure aint talking about Toto.

You're one of the ignorant idiots he talks about in the interview...you don't even know Toto's work I bet...just Roseanna and Africa. If you did actually LISTEN to them, you wouldn't cut on them liek that.

[Tomulator]

Neal craps bigger than Lukather. Toto couldn't fill a 1,000 seat venue on its last tour. IF they were drawing 3,000 let alone 15 to 20,000, don't kid yourself he would still be touring with Toto. The market told him Toto was dead, not himself. This is total spin.

Also, why does he need someone to sound like Bobby when he has Bobby? What's he saying there? Didn't somebody have a nickname for Lukather awhile ago?

Don't comment on things you have no knowledge on.

Toto do bigger business in Europe and Asia than they do in the USA. Has ben that way for years.

Thanks Andrew.

Would appreciate numbers if you can dig them up...might shut up a few "uninformed" posters on here.

[Tomulator]

This is NOT a Toto vs Journey issue and Luke would be the first to state that. Any one trying to turn this topic into that has no clue and no life.

Ditto.

I love both "classic" incarnations of the bands...wasn't trying to start a war over who's more commercially successful or who has the superior guitarist...that stuff is stupid.

[Tomulator]

Well, I LOVE Toto and would put their catalogue up against Journey on most days.

Toto had no fan base in the States because of their label, and could only tour in Europe. That wasn't their fault. I actually saw them in Amsterdam a number of years ago, and they were incredible.

That being said, I can guarantee if Journey had played throughout Europe during the same period, they would have sold much larger venues than Toto. It's a simple supply/demand issue. Journey has sold something like 90 million records worldwide compared to about 15 million for Toto. That's all. I am out.

How many of the 90 million were sold in the USA?

[Tomulator]

Neal craps bigger than Lukather. Toto couldn't fill a 1,000 seat venue on its last tour. IF they were drawing 3,000 let alone 15 to 20,000, don't kid yourself he would still be touring with Toto. The market told him Toto was dead, not himself. This is total spin.

Also, why does he need someone to sound like Bobby when he has Bobby? What's he saying there? Didn't somebody have a nickname for Lukather awhile ago?

Don't comment on things you have no knowledge on.

Toto do bigger business in Europe and Asia than they do in the USA. Has ben that way for years.

Also, I read the whole interview on the Classicrockrevisited site, and it's clear that Luke is talking about his SOLO tour, not TOTO. He's saying this in reference to the fact that on his solo tour HE'S playing rarities, instead of the hits. (Thus, if he WANTED to do the hits. he'd just hire a Bobby sound alike)
It's really a shot at Bobby, as he says later that Bobby'll be playing HOLD THE LINE till he's 90 (or something like that) implying that Kimball has nothing else interesting to play! So the shot is NOT at Journey, but (I think) at an old bandmate.

Interesting take on it...you may be right.

[Saint John]

wasn't trying to start a war over who's more commercially successful

How could you?!?!

or who has the superior guitarist

See above.

...that stuff is stupid.

That's probably more a matter of "convenience" than it is "stupid."

[Eric]

Eric Dear Sir, far as your half successful remark goes....
Toto has tons of talent that I would pay to see before some others performing live now.
Do believe they have a Grammy under their belt.....Journey, not even.
I don't think you get it.

Didn't say they didn't have talent? I love Toto and they have a monster catalog. But they aren't as successful as Journey is, and in my opinion if they were they'd still be around no matter what.

I also didn't say Lukather was referring to Journey...I said I don't know if he is or isn't.

[Moon Beam]

I love Toto and they have a monster catalog. But they aren't as successful as Journey is, and in my opinion if they were they'd still be around no matter what.

Good to see you enjoy em, so do I.

Here is where I felt you did say they weren't successful......

I will say that if Toto were 1/2 as successful as Journey that he'd still be playing Toto.

But they are in other parts of the world aren't they?


I don't think Mr Lukather would be with em now regardless.
Feelings I have tell me that he would be out at this point no matter
how well the group was doing.....who knows, maybe they still will be around, would be great if they continue
on in the future.
Thanks for the polite reply post Eric, always nice.

[Deb]

Good to see you enjoy em, so do I.

Me too! Sorry Moonie, couldn't pass that one up.

[Moon Beam]

'Respect' and 'shutting up' are two concepts out of reach I think.

Something I sometimes lose a grasp on, ain't proud of it when it happens either.
Sorry if I made waves Wombat, I'll try to behave betterly.

[Eric]

Moon Beam:

Yeah...in other parts of the world they are equal and even possibly more successful.... I guess my thinking was if Toto had a platinum album and was headlining a tour of big sold-out amphitheatres there is no way he could pull himself away. However, as I typed this I recall Rolie did just that in 1980...so.....

[brandonx76]

While there are some interesting discussion points brought up, many of them were done at the expense of cutting the nuts off Luke, for no good reason. This was not about Journey. Any attempts to paint Luke's comments to be critical of Journey are completely misguided, and done for the sake of creating Limbaugh'esque controversy. Everyone who's a fan or friend, send some good vibes to the man... he's been out sick and had to cancel 3 of his US shows this week(Dr's orders).

BTW - Journey's done a HELL of a job finding a suitable replacement and carrying on.

- Brandon

[Don]

The following are excerpts from the most recent Steve Lukather (ex-Toto) interview. Is he referring to "Journey"?

Hmmm...


"...I don’t want to end up a bunch of washed up cats sucking the marrow out of whatever is left of the legacy."


Says it all.

This is how you began the thread, implying that he is bagging on Journey, but when we respond in defense ( this a Journey forum of course ) You start pouting that we are picking on Lukather. Get out of the kitchen if you can't stand the heat or don't try to instigate shit and cry about it later. You have your opinion, I and some others here have ours. I'm not ignorant about Toto's music, I just don't care for it. At the same time I have enough respect for Steve lukather not to take a comment he made where he may have been referring to Bobby or another Toto member, and twist it around to try to inflame another band's fans.

[Moon Beam]

He is gonna be in Michigan on the 21rst and I am trying with all my might to be there.
Love and laughter largely I have for Lukather, I so wanna hear his new stuff live!
Anyone from around here going to The Magic Bag next week?

Schon and the boys are doing finely, I'm sure they won't mind
if I spend my few coppers on Steve.


Thanks Eric, gotta say that your one of the few here that
spelled my name rightly.
Most go with Moonbeam when I've seen.

Deb nice catch lady, always got Mr Martin on the brain eh?

[Deb]

Deb nice catch lady, always got Mr Martin on the brain eh?

Among others. Just no escaping those soulful smoky vocals. How's your summer going Moonie? Ya getting some good weather? Going to be smokin' hot here this weekend.

[Don]

I went with friends, and saw Toto two different times back in the 80's. They were very good but, besides a few songs, just not my cup of tea. If Lukather is still true to form, I'm sure you guys will enjoy seeing him.

[Moon Beam]

Summer is sliding by ever so quickly and I HATE that but
I have been enjoying it dandily Deb.
Lots of tent sleeps and campfires under the stars.
The Moon here last night was in all her glory...not quite full
but fabulously beautiful none the less.

Thanks for asking lady, hope your Summer season is going sweetly.
What concerts are next on deck for you?

[Moon Beam]

I went with friends, and saw Toto two different times back in the 80's. They were very good but, besides a few songs, just not my cup of tea. If Lukather is still true to form, I'm sure you guys will enjoy seeing him.

Songs you enjoyed the most from those shows Sir?

[Smoothie]

The following are excerpts from the most recent Steve Lukather (ex-Toto) interview. Is he referring to "Journey"?

Hmmm...


"Jeb: Do you think you will be accused of being self-indulgent?

Steve: I see it as just the opposite. If I was going to be self-indulgent then I would hire some guy who sounds just like Bobby and play the hits. Maybe other people want to do that sort of thing but I am trying to separate myself from it all. "


He goes on to say,


"...I don’t want to end up a bunch of washed up cats sucking the marrow out of whatever is left of the legacy."


Says it all.

Typical Luke, talks first, thinks later. Shoots from the hips a lot but needs a lot of target practice, nothing really bad about wanting to be different though. He could be talking about the Stones here and not Journey

[Tomulator]

While there are some interesting discussion points brought up, many of them were done at the expense of cutting the nuts off Luke, for no good reason. This was not about Journey. Any attempts to paint Luke's comments to be critical of Journey are completely misguided, and done for the sake of creating Limbaugh'esque controversy. Everyone who's a fan or friend, send some good vibes to the man... he's been out sick and had to cancel 3 of his US shows this week(Dr's orders).

BTW - Journey's done a HELL of a job finding a suitable replacement and carrying on.

- Brandon

I started this thread.

What are you implying?

[Tomulator]

The following are excerpts from the most recent Steve Lukather (ex-Toto) interview. Is he referring to "Journey"?

Hmmm...


"...I don’t want to end up a bunch of washed up cats sucking the marrow out of whatever is left of the legacy."


Says it all.

This is how you began the thread, implying that he is bagging on Journey, but when we respond in defense ( this a Journey forum of course ) You start pouting that we are picking on Lukather. Get out of the kitchen if you can't stand the heat or don't try to instigate shit and cry about it later. You have your opinion, I and some others here have ours. I'm not ignorant about Toto's music, I just don't care for it. At the same time I have enough respect for Steve lukather not to take a comment he made where he may have been referring to Bobby or another Toto member, and twist it around to try to inflame another band's fans.

Gumdrop,

First, I don't "cry" about anything you could do, got it?

Secondly, you and your unwarranted, innaccurate, BS attacks on TOTO and their "lack" of a legacy are what got you in this. I happen to totally dig BOTH "classic lineups" of BOTH bands. Never said ANYTHING directly negative about "Journey" these days except to agree with the premis that they hired a SP "sound-alike" and are essentially "milking" their back catalog as a main source of income these days (IF that is what Luke was referring to, which I now doubt). BTW, my opinion about the current lineup is one that MANY on here agree with.

Still love NS's playing! Always have, always will! Just wish he'd do something like Luke is currently doing...you know...taking some "risks"!

[Don]

The following are excerpts from the most recent Steve Lukather (ex-Toto) interview. Is he referring to "Journey"?

Hmmm...


"...I don’t want to end up a bunch of washed up cats sucking the marrow out of whatever is left of the legacy."


Says it all.

This is how you began the thread, implying that he is bagging on Journey, but when we respond in defense ( this a Journey forum of course ) You start pouting that we are picking on Lukather. Get out of the kitchen if you can't stand the heat or don't try to instigate shit and cry about it later. You have your opinion, I and some others here have ours. I'm not ignorant about Toto's music, I just don't care for it. At the same time I have enough respect for Steve lukather not to take a comment he made where he may have been referring to Bobby or another Toto member, and twist it around to try to inflame another band's fans.

Gumdrop,

First, I don't "cry" about anything you could do, got it?

Secondly, you and your unwarranted, innaccurate, BS attacks on TOTO and their "lack" of a legacy are what got you in this. I happen to totally dig BOTH "classic lineups" of BOTH bands. Never said ANYTHING directly negative about "Journey" these days except to agree with the premis that they hired a SP "sound-alike" and are essentially "milking" their back catalog as a main source of income these days (IF that is what Luke was referring to, which I now doubt). BTW, my opinion about the current lineup is one that MANY on here agree with.

Still love NS's playing! Always have, always will! Just wish he'd do something like Luke is currently doing...you know...taking some "risks"!

Thanks for clarifying your initial post Tamilator. I've been to a few Toto shows back in the day, and while they're not my cup of tea, I do appreciate them as musicians. Oh, I wouldn't really expect you to cry about anything I would say to you here, cuts received from keyboard warriors don't tend to bleed anyways.

[Smoothie]

The following are excerpts from the most recent Steve Lukather (ex-Toto) interview. Is he referring to "Journey"?

Hmmm...


"...I don’t want to end up a bunch of washed up cats sucking the marrow out of whatever is left of the legacy."


Says it all.

This is how you began the thread, implying that he is bagging on Journey, but when we respond in defense ( this a Journey forum of course ) You start pouting that we are picking on Lukather. Get out of the kitchen if you can't stand the heat or don't try to instigate shit and cry about it later. You have your opinion, I and some others here have ours. I'm not ignorant about Toto's music, I just don't care for it. At the same time I have enough respect for Steve lukather not to take a comment he made where he may have been referring to Bobby or another Toto member, and twist it around to try to inflame another band's fans.

Gumdrop,

First, I don't "cry" about anything you could do, got it?

Secondly, you and your unwarranted, innaccurate, BS attacks on TOTO and their "lack" of a legacy are what got you in this. I happen to totally dig BOTH "classic lineups" of BOTH bands. Never said ANYTHING directly negative about "Journey" these days except to agree with the premis that they hired a SP "sound-alike" and are essentially "milking" their back catalog as a main source of income these days (IF that is what Luke was referring to, which I now doubt). BTW, my opinion about the current lineup is one that MANY on here agree with.

Still love NS's playing! Always have, always will! Just wish he'd do something like Luke is currently doing...you know...taking some "risks"!

"Just wish he'd do something like Luke is currently doing...you know...taking some "risks"!"
Why? For what reason?

[Don]

I think that the equivalent of taking risks for Neal is all the side projects he did, Bad English, Soul Sirkus. Those groups were outlets for him so he didn't have to tamper with the Journey sound.

[Tomulator]

The following are excerpts from the most recent Steve Lukather (ex-Toto) interview. Is he referring to "Journey"?

Hmmm...


"...I don’t want to end up a bunch of washed up cats sucking the marrow out of whatever is left of the legacy."


Says it all.

This is how you began the thread, implying that he is bagging on Journey, but when we respond in defense ( this a Journey forum of course ) You start pouting that we are picking on Lukather. Get out of the kitchen if you can't stand the heat or don't try to instigate shit and cry about it later. You have your opinion, I and some others here have ours. I'm not ignorant about Toto's music, I just don't care for it. At the same time I have enough respect for Steve lukather not to take a comment he made where he may have been referring to Bobby or another Toto member, and twist it around to try to inflame another band's fans.

Gumdrop,

First, I don't "cry" about anything you could do, got it?

Secondly, you and your unwarranted, innaccurate, BS attacks on TOTO and their "lack" of a legacy are what got you in this. I happen to totally dig BOTH "classic lineups" of BOTH bands. Never said ANYTHING directly negative about "Journey" these days except to agree with the premis that they hired a SP "sound-alike" and are essentially "milking" their back catalog as a main source of income these days (IF that is what Luke was referring to, which I now doubt). BTW, my opinion about the current lineup is one that MANY on here agree with.

Still love NS's playing! Always have, always will! Just wish he'd do something like Luke is currently doing...you know...taking some "risks"!

"Just wish he'd do something like Luke is currently doing...you know...taking some "risks"!"
Why? For what reason?

To actually hear something DIFFERENT than "Journey licks" (as cool as they are) and hear Neal in a totally DIFFERENT setting.

If you love pizza...do you want to eat it EVERY meal from here to eternity? No, it's always good to try OTHER foods as well.

[Tomulator]

I think that the equivalent of taking risks for Neal is all the side projects he did, Bad English, Soul Sirkus. Those groups were outlets for him so he didn't have to tamper with the Journey sound.

Yes, that is true.

Wish he'd continue "expanding" musically into new and different areas.

[Saint John]

I'd like to see neal do something really heavy...like guest on a van Halen tune or something to that effect. neal and Eddie on a song would be greatness.

[Onestepper]

I think that the equivalent of taking risks for Neal is all the side projects he did, Bad English, Soul Sirkus. Those groups were outlets for him so he didn't have to tamper with the Journey sound.

I think I read an interview with him years ago, where he said most of his solo albums were taking risks for him. He seemed pretty proud of the stuff that he kept away from the screaming/heavy guitar riffs.

[kgdjpubs]

Also, I read the whole interview on the Classicrockrevisited site, and it's clear that Luke is talking about his SOLO tour, not TOTO. He's saying this in reference to the fact that on his solo tour HE'S playing rarities, instead of the hits. (Thus, if he WANTED to do the hits. he'd just hire a Bobby sound alike)
It's really a shot at Bobby, as he says later that Bobby'll be playing HOLD THE LINE till he's 90 (or something like that) implying that Kimball has nothing else interesting to play! So the shot is NOT at Journey, but (I think) at an old bandmate.

Interesting take on it...you may be right.

Could be...but from a financial side of things, Bobby has a much higher chance of making money than Luke does at the moment. Full band or not, the music of Toto will draw people. Ever Changing Times won't--mainly because nobody has heard of it. Hopefully, Luke will come towards NC at some point. Would be a fun show at attend.

I'll count myself lucky to have seen Toto when they played in Virginia a few years ago. Despite what they sound like on cd, they knew how to put on a rock concert.