Worst DSB Performance by Steve Augeri.

[The_Noble_Cause]

I know this was his last night and all, but I have heard him worse than this.
On one early boot from Japan he sounded like Michael McDonald.

[Michigan Girl]

Normally I'd say slow newsday on the MR boards but it's "Isla's" first post and its an Augeri's "Worst DSB performance". A newbie's ignorance or an agenda? Not quite sure.

I'm not sure either, but I'm glad I'm not the only one who saw and thought about that. Coming in, guns blazing, on post number one is either just a really dumb move or meant for nothing more than stirring folks up which in turn is, a really dumb move.

The thread topic sucks a pig's ass.

-wech

+1
Hey Wech!!! How are you?
I like that other term you use much more!!!

[PowerChords]

I know this was his last night and all, but I have heard him worse than this.
On one early boot from Japan he sounded like Michael McDonald.

At that point, they should have broken out to "What a fool believes" and "Keep forgettin'". Hm, come to think of it, they probably should have done a Doobie Brothers set instead. It probably would have extended Augeri's tenure with them for a couple more years...

[4everkop]

I actually kinda wanna hear that, i love michael mcdonald.

[Don]

That will probably be Arnel in a few years. Augeri lasted a good 5 years before his voice betrayed him. Arnel started slipping a little after only 4 months. Props to Augeri for surviving as long as he did.

There is no comparison between the two. Augieri had a slightly above average voice.

Arnel is one in a million.

No one's denying that.

I am.
Arnel has a great voice, but he aint one in a million.
Steve Perry was 'One in a million'.

I was saying no one is denying the difference in vocal types between Augeri and Arnel. Augeri has more time with Journey then Perry if you subtract SP's jaunts into hermitsville, so it was only natural that his voice would suffer with that catalogue. I was annoyed that this first post was done a s a negative, which tells me this person is not a Journey fan, maybe an Arnel fan, but not a Journey fan.

[Michigan Girl]

That will probably be Arnel in a few years. Augeri lasted a good 5 years before his voice betrayed him. Arnel started slipping a little after only 4 months. Props to Augeri for surviving as long as he did.

There is no comparison between the two. Augieri had a slightly above average voice.

Arnel is one in a million.

No one's denying that.

I am.
Arnel has a great voice, but he aint one in a million.
Steve Perry was 'One in a million'.

I was saying no one is denying the difference in vocal types between Augeri and Arnel. Augeri has more time with Journey then Perry if you subtract SP's jaunts into hermitsville, so it was only natural that his voice would suffer with that catalogue. I was annoyed that this first post was done a s a negative, which tells me this person is not a Journey fan, maybe an Arnel fan, but not a Journey fan.

+1.....very well stated!! You too, WS!!!

[Enigma869]

I was saying no one is denying the difference in vocal types between Augeri and Arnel. Augeri has more time with Journey then Perry if you subtract SP's jaunts into hermitsville

Right, and Priest Holmes had a longer career than Jim Brown! Guess which one is in the Hall of Fame? Longevity means absolutely NOTHING! I'll take brilliance over mediocrity 100 out of 100 times, even if it's for a shorter duration!

. I was annoyed that this first post was done a s a negative, which tells me this person is not a Journey fan, maybe an Arnel fan, but not a Journey fan.

This position has always annoyed me, because Jackass Talk was built around the premise that if you're remotely critical about ANY member of "Journey", then you can't possibly be a fan. That is total bullshit! I was always critical of Augeri, and turned out of be proven correct. That doesn't make me any less of a fan than someone who is diddling themselves to the dude's red leather pants or getting starry eyes over his Jheri curls!


John from Boston

[Don]

I was saying no one is denying the difference in vocal types between Augeri and Arnel. Augeri has more time with Journey then Perry if you subtract SP's jaunts into hermitsville

Right, and Priest Holmes had a longer career than Jim Brown! Guess which one is in the Hall of Fame? Longevity means absolutely NOTHING! I'll take brilliance over mediocrity 100 out of 100 times, even if it's for a shorter duration!

. I was annoyed that this first post was done a s a negative, which tells me this person is not a Journey fan, maybe an Arnel fan, but not a Journey fan.

This position has always annoyed me, because Jackass Talk was built around the premise that if you're remotely critical about ANY member of "Journey", then you can't possibly be a fan. That is total bullshit! I was always critical of Augeri, and turned out of be proven correct. That doesn't make me any less of a fan than someone who is diddling themselves to the dude's red leather pants or getting starry eyes over his Jheri curls!


John from Boston

I'm not saying he was even half as good as Perry, I'm talking about his voice blowing out because of his length of time singing with the band in a range that wasn't natural for him.
On the second point, I'm not saying don't criticize the band, but if you're first post on the board is slamming one of the lead singers before you have established anything about yourself or why you're attracted to the band wouldn't you expect to get slammed. I mean if my first post to the board was " Hi, I'm new here. Arnel is so much better then Steve Perry, you people need to get over it, look at this performance. Steve just sucks ass" I think I would get fucked over and over by everyone here.

[Michigan Girl]

I was saying no one is denying the difference in vocal types between Augeri and Arnel. Augeri has more time with Journey then Perry if you subtract SP's jaunts into hermitsville

Right, and Priest Holmes had a longer career than Jim Brown! Guess which one is in the Hall of Fame? Longevity means absolutely NOTHING! I'll take brilliance over mediocrity 100 out of 100 times, even if it's for a shorter duration!

. I was annoyed that this first post was done a s a negative, which tells me this person is not a Journey fan, maybe an Arnel fan, but not a Journey fan.

This position has always annoyed me, because Jackass Talk was built around the premise that if you're remotely critical about ANY member of "Journey", then you can't possibly be a fan. That is total bullshit! I was always critical of Augeri, and turned out of be proven correct. That doesn't make me any less of a fan than someone who is diddling themselves to the dude's red leather pants or getting starry eyes over his Jheri curls!


John from Boston

I'm not saying he was even half as good as Perry, I'm talking about his voice blowing out because of his length of time singing with the band in a range that wasn't natural for him.
On the second point, I'm not saying don't criticize the band, but if you're first post on the board is slamming one of the lead singers before you have established anything about yourself or why you're attracted to the band wouldn't you expect to get slammed. I mean if my first post to the board was " Hi, I'm new here. Arnel is so much better then Steve Perry, you people need to get over it, look at this performance. Steve just sucks ass" I think I would get fucked over and over by everyone here.

Yes....and twice by some!!!

*edit.....I see you've already stated over and over.....

[Jana]

He could sing out of his range in the beginning with Journey. He just couldn't compare to Steve Perry vocally. But, boy, when you listen to him singing with his own tone and range he's really good. I luv, luv, luv Kiss Me Softly off of Arrival. I love the vibe he has on it. One of my favorite songs on that album. Talented guy.




"Arnel makes me a better guy just knowing him" - Jonathan Cain

[Onestepper]

I was at a bar last night that was doing Karaoke. Some dumb ass got up there and thought he could sing DSB. It was painful. Why do people do this to themselves, and to the rest of us? The group I was with decided half way through the song it was time to move on to the next place. I think the guy single handily caused the bar to empty by 9pm.

[stargzr210]

I was at a bar last night that was doing Karaoke. Some dumb ass got up there and thought he could sing DSB. It was painful. Why do people do this to themselves, and to the rest of us? The group I was with decided half way through the song it was time to move on to the next place. I think the guy single handily caused the bar to empty by 9pm.

dont know if you guys heard this new version of dsb...by george lamond...it's always being played on the radio stations here in ny/nj.... its like disco well ,they said freestyle..whatever...lol

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6oe_tInmLvI

[Enigma869]

dont know if you guys heard this new version of dsb...by george lamond...it's always being played on the radio stations here in ny/nj.... its like disco well ,they said freestyle..whatever...lol

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6oe_tInmLvI

Holy fuck. I didn't know that George Lamond was still alive The beginning of the song was actually reasonable. When he tried reaching for the "Somewhere in the night"...his voice IMPLODED! That's the verse that separates the singers from the pretenders, on that song! This just reminds me why I hate Journey covers so much! The originals were fucking flawless! Stop trying to re-do material, that simply needs no re-doing!


John from Boston

[Saint John]

I wanna hear "Bad Of The Heart" by George Lamond. I think he's the singer of that song. Great tune from back in the day.

[Enigma869]

I wanna hear "Bad Of The Heart" by George Lamond. I think he's the singer of that song. Great tune from back in the day.

That was him...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E5H6OHmSZ94


I always liked this one, too...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M03ycgBfmls


John from Boston

[Saint John]

Good stuff, John. I always liked Cynthia and Johnny O as well. Freestyle was my favorite music for a while.

[The_Noble_Cause]

I actually kinda wanna hear that, i love michael mcdonald.

What I am trying to say is, here Augeri sounds like a limited range tenor with grit on his pipes.
I have heard boots where he's not even in the tenor range....must've had a cold or something.

[S2M]

Oh, now, come on.He put in perhaps the finest vocal performance this side of "Winds of March" on the classic Vinnie Vincent Invasion song, "Invasion".Wow, what a voice.

Yep, he did SO well, that Vinnie replaced him with Marc Slaughter.....  

[Dano]

Steve A. kept the torch alive for Journey even from a flickering distant otherwise there will be no JSS and Arnel.
He fulfilled what was required of him and did it with grace... a talented and a great man.
This video might not do him justice and it pains to see such a good man struggles and gives his last best shot for the fans. He did it anyway..same as Arnel during the last stretch of this 08 Tour..he is struggling but kept on going..flu, acid reflux or what ever it was. That is why we all love and long for Journey..its every mans tenacity and dedication to do his goddamn best everyday and everynight of their performance..no gimmick no fanfare just Journey music from start to finish..
I just hope that the current line up will realized that fans will stick to them no matter what and just learn to slow down a little,,and for Arnel we will understand if he will step it down a half key lower just to preserve his voice and just go on with his natural voice range..
Keep on Rockin..

Agree 100%!! And let's not forget that this is far from a pro-shot clip. I watched clips from the show I saw at the NYS Fair this summer with Arnel the next morning, and it didn't sound anywhere as good as it did live. This is maybe not Augeri's best performance by a long shot, but it's not that bad.

Anyway, I had to speak up to agree with this post. I have said this ad nauseum on this board, but Steve Augeri walked into one of the most unenviable spots in rock and roll, having to fill a legend's shoes, and did so with style and grace. He gave all he had, and was nothing but a class act to every fan he met. I have never heard one negative word from anyone who has met him. And the man has talent. He was tremendous on "Arrival" and for several tours. His voice is back, and I can't wait until TS II finally comes out.

[Michigan Girl]

Steve A. kept the torch alive for Journey even from a flickering distant otherwise there will be no JSS and Arnel.
He fulfilled what was required of him and did it with grace... a talented and a great man.
This video might not do him justice and it pains to see such a good man struggles and gives his last best shot for the fans. He did it anyway..same as Arnel during the last stretch of this 08 Tour..he is struggling but kept on going..flu, acid reflux or what ever it was. That is why we all love and long for Journey..its every mans tenacity and dedication to do his goddamn best everyday and everynight of their performance..no gimmick no fanfare just Journey music from start to finish..
I just hope that the current line up will realized that fans will stick to them no matter what and just learn to slow down a little,,and for Arnel we will understand if he will step it down a half key lower just to preserve his voice and just go on with his natural voice range..
Keep on Rockin..

Agree 100%!! And let's not forget that this is far from a pro-shot clip. I saw clips from the show I saw at the NYS Fair this summer with Arnel the next morning and it didn't sound anywhere as good as it did at the show. This is maybe not Augeri's best performance by a long shot, but it's not that bad.

Anyway, I had to speak up to agree with this post. I have said this ad nauseum on this board, but Steve Augeri walked into one of the most unenviable spots in rock and roll, having to fill a legend's shoes, and did so with style and grace. He gave all he had, and was nothing but a class act to every fan he met. I have never heard one negative word from anyone who has met him. And the man has talent. He was tremendous on "Arrival" and for several tours. His voice is back, and I can't wait until TS II finally comes out.

Nice!!!

[brywool]

That will probably be Arnel in a few years. Augeri lasted a good 5 years before his voice betrayed him. Arnel started slipping a little after only 4 months. Props to Augeri for surviving as long as he did.

why do you say that? Arnel's got a huge backlog of bar gigs (lasting far longer than any Journey show) and has more now than Augeri did at the beginning of his run with Journey. Hey, I love Augeri. Great guy and I backed him all the way, but Arnel is twice the singer that SA was. I saw Augeri at the Gorge in 98 or 2000 and it was clear then, that Journey's material (particularly DSB) was hard for him. I just saw Arnel when he was up near Seattle and the guy KILLED, I was in the first row and watching every note.

I don't think we'll be seeing the same from Arnel. Maybe, but the guy seems to hold up quite well.

[Don]

That will probably be Arnel in a few years. Augeri lasted a good 5 years before his voice betrayed him. Arnel started slipping a little after only 4 months. Props to Augeri for surviving as long as he did.

why do you say that? Arnel's got a huge backlog of bar gigs (lasting far longer than any Journey show) and has more now than Augeri did at the beginning of his run with Journey. Hey, I love Augeri. Great guy and I backed him all the way, but Arnel is twice the singer that SA was. I saw Augeri at the Gorge in 98 or 2000 and it was clear then, that Journey's material (particularly DSB) was hard for him. I just saw Arnel when he was up near Seattle and the guy KILLED, I was in the first row and watching every note.

I don't think we'll be seeing the same from Arnel.

I saw him at the end of September and he sounded beat, still good but slipping fast. If Arnel doesn't step down his voice, do you really see him doing Journey only material consistently in top form two years from now. I don't even know if he's resting his voice now. Sounds like he's going to do some more singing in the Philippines during his downtime, just not Journey material.

[Tomulator]

Steve A. kept the torch alive for Journey even from a flickering distant otherwise there will be no JSS and Arnel.
He fulfilled what was required of him and did it with grace... a talented and a great man.
This video might not do him justice and it pains to see such a good man struggles and gives his last best shot for the fans. He did it anyway..same as Arnel during the last stretch of this 08 Tour..he is struggling but kept on going..flu, acid reflux or what ever it was. That is why we all love and long for Journey..its every mans tenacity and dedication to do his goddamn best everyday and everynight of their performance..no gimmick no fanfare just Journey music from start to finish..
I just hope that the current line up will realized that fans will stick to them no matter what and just learn to slow down a little,,and for Arnel we will understand if he will step it down a half key lower just to preserve his voice and just go on with his natural voice range..
Keep on Rockin..

No reason to start a cussin' an hollerin' bout this!

[Tomulator]

That will probably be Arnel in a few years. Augeri lasted a good 5 years before his voice betrayed him. Arnel started slipping a little after only 4 months. Props to Augeri for surviving as long as he did.

There is no comparison between the two. Augieri had a slightly above average voice.

Arnel is one in a million.

No one's denying that.

I am.
Arnel has a great voice, but he aint one in a million.
Steve Perry was 'One in a million'.

I'll "second" that.

[Tomulator]

I actually kinda wanna hear that, i love michael mcdonald.

[brywool]

That will probably be Arnel in a few years. Augeri lasted a good 5 years before his voice betrayed him. Arnel started slipping a little after only 4 months. Props to Augeri for surviving as long as he did.

why do you say that? Arnel's got a huge backlog of bar gigs (lasting far longer than any Journey show) and has more now than Augeri did at the beginning of his run with Journey. Hey, I love Augeri. Great guy and I backed him all the way, but Arnel is twice the singer that SA was. I saw Augeri at the Gorge in 98 or 2000 and it was clear then, that Journey's material (particularly DSB) was hard for him. I just saw Arnel when he was up near Seattle and the guy KILLED, I was in the first row and watching every note.

I don't think we'll be seeing the same from Arnel.

I saw him at the end of September and he sounded beat, still good but slipping fast. If Arnel doesn't step down his voice, do you really see him doing Journey only material consistently in top form two years from now. I don't even know if he's resting his voice now. Sounds like he's going to do some more singing in the Philippines during his downtime, just not Journey material.

wow, I saw him September and the guy didn't miss a note. He smoked. We'll see I guess. Augeri, on the other hand ALWAYS ALWAYS had pitch problems. From day one. Not necessarily voice problems, although he did have a hard time with some notes, but his sense of pitch was not great. Perry had a KILLER sense of pitch. Interesting that there were no in ears back then. I know that with in ears, there's a weird phenomenon of singing off pitch with them if they aren't dialed in JUST right. You can hear everything, but you can still get off pitch with them. Might be due to under singing or having your voice just too loud. It's really weird but it happens.

Anyway, we'll see, but I would bet that Arnel will fair better than Augeri.

[brywool]

I actually kinda wanna hear that, i love michael mcdonald.

wow, I actually agree with Tomulator. Did Hell freeze over?

Michael Mcdonald Sucks with a capital S. Turned the Doobies into the Whimpies. Blech!

[Enigma869]

Good stuff, John. I always liked Johnny O as well.

I LOVED Johnny O! I used to be a workout machine (I looked better than 7 wishes) before I discovered Oreos. I always worked out like a fucking madman to Johnny O's self titled CD. Those tunes all had about 140 beats per minute and kept my ass moving at warp speed for hours on end!!!!!!


John from Boston

[Enigma869]

What I am trying to say is, here Augeri sounds like a limited range tenor with grit on his pipes.

Augeri a tenor??? I'm no expert, but perhaps one of our resident singers can weigh in on this. I don't think Augeri was even in the neighborhood of being a tenor! Arnel is clearly a tenor but Augeri wasn't close, which is why he struggled more often than not, when trying to sing in a range that he wasn't cut out to be singing in!

John from Boston

[tj]

Steve A. kept the torch alive for Journey even from a flickering distant otherwise there will be no JSS and Arnel.
He fulfilled what was required of him and did it with grace... a talented and a great man.
This video might not do him justice and it pains to see such a good man struggles and gives his last best shot for the fans. He did it anyway..same as Arnel during the last stretch of this 08 Tour..he is struggling but kept on going..flu, acid reflux or what ever it was. That is why we all love and long for Journey..its every mans tenacity and dedication to do his goddamn best everyday and everynight of their performance..no gimmick no fanfare just Journey music from start to finish..
I just hope that the current line up will realized that fans will stick to them no matter what and just learn to slow down a little,,and for Arnel we will understand if he will step it down a half key lower just to preserve his voice and just go on with his natural voice range..
Keep on Rockin..

Agree 100%!! And let's not forget that this is far from a pro-shot clip. I watched clips from the show I saw at the NYS Fair this summer with Arnel the next morning, and it didn't sound anywhere as good as it did live. This is maybe not Augeri's best performance by a long shot, but it's not that bad.

Anyway, I had to speak up to agree with this post. I have said this ad nauseum on this board, but Steve Augeri walked into one of the most unenviable spots in rock and roll, having to fill a legend's shoes, and did so with style and grace. He gave all he had, and was nothing but a class act to every fan he met. I have never heard one negative word from anyone who has met him. And the man has talent. He was tremendous on "Arrival" and for several tours. His voice is back, and I can't wait until TS II finally comes out.

You see this all of the time in sports. A hall of fame player retires and the guy that replaces him has enourmous shoes to fill. A lot of times, it ends up with the replacement doing a solid job, but not at the level of the legend. After a while, the fans give up on the replacement because he isn't the legend, and somewhere down the road - though it may be years later - a new legend comes along or the fans lower their expectations.