Arnel sang DSB in afternoon TV show 11/29/08

[knox]

Had to chime in on this.

That was a lackluster performance that could be seen in any karaoke bar by anyone with half a decent voice.

Nothing spectacular at all, and certainly not worthy of the song he was singing.

[Don]

Arnel's accent never really went away.
Listen to ALL of his US performances and you'll find it.
...especially if finding it is what you care most about.


Man, I can't believe this is still an issue.
Pigf.....

There seems to be a monitor lag affecting his performance (pacing-wise) in the vid.
I agree he has more rasp in his voice, but its still more like an option, one he can
trot out if/when he wants.

wech

Only because this Karaoke type clip made it on to here. I saw Arnel live and was impressed so I know he had overcome that problem for a time. You don't have to look for the accent here though, it jumps out right at you. i just think because he is home, he is lapsing back into his regular speech pattern. I'll go ahead and chalk up what I call a subpar performance to the type of show he was on but I just see it as too cheesey. What next, a live performance at ShoeMart? Anyway he got his through his freshman season alright but I'm expecting a steller effort this time from the whole group with at least 12 new songs (and I mean new as in never been sang by anyone before).

What's wrong with performing at the 3rd biggest mall in the world? Surely if it's good enough for Alicia Keys, it's good enough for Arnel Pineda.

Arnel Pineda is a Pinoy and when he is in the Philippines, he will sing whatever song and wherever the Pinoys damn well please. Fair enough you want to wait for Steve Perry's work; as for me, I'll just listen to Arnel because he still wants to sing for his fans.

I laughed when I read this. I think you misunderstood the sarcasm in what I said earlier about Perry. Arnel loon , Perry loon, it doesn't matter. I'm an equal opportunity offender.

[POOWIE]

Had to chime in on this.

That was a lackluster performance that could be seen in any karaoke bar by anyone with half a decent voice.

Nothing spectacular at all, and certainly not worthy of the song he was singing.

Well, as much as i like Arnel , this kind of performance really iritates the heck out of me because i root for him. Dude, be a freakin' rock star...thats all i can say. Be it and live it.

[mdaemon]

Had to chime in on this.

That was a lackluster performance that could be seen in any karaoke bar by anyone with half a decent voice.

Nothing spectacular at all, and certainly not worthy of the song he was singing.

Well, as much as i like Arnel , this kind of performance really iritates the heck out of me because i root for him. Dude, be a freakin' rock star...thats all i can say. Be it and live it.

Arnel isn't your ordinary rockstar. I find it a welcome change though.

[zigzag]

Well, as much as i like Arnel , this kind of performance really iritates the heck out of me because i root for him. Dude, be a freakin' rock star...thats all i can say. Be it and live it.

Same here, but we can't blame the guy trying to make a few here and there.

zz

[wildcat75]

Had to chime in on this.

That was a lackluster performance that could be seen in any karaoke bar by anyone with half a decent voice.

Nothing spectacular at all, and certainly not worthy of the song he was singing.

Well, as much as i like Arnel , this kind of performance really iritates the heck out of me because i root for him. Dude, be a freakin' rock star...thats all i can say. Be it and live it.

SInce you seems to know what is best for Arnel's career maybe you can ask him to be his manager instead of Bert De Leon and i can't wait to see how he transform himself to a Rockstar you want him to be.

[Saint John]

Arnel isn't a rockstar. He's the lead singer for Journey and that's all he wants to be.

[wildcat75]

Arnel isn't a rockstar. He's the lead singer for Journey and that's all he wants to be.

My sentiments exactly, Arnel doesn't want to be called a Rockstar and as a simple guy himself it reflected w/ his personality, so working w/ Journey is just a part of his job ,nothing more.

[RocknRoll]

Arnel isn't a rockstar. He's the lead singer for Journey and that's all he wants to be.

I understand what you're saying, but lately it sure seems like all Arnel wants to be is a solo star in the Phillipines and the lead singer of the ZOO in the Phillipines.

[Onestepper]

Arnel isn't a rockstar. He's the lead singer for Journey and that's all he wants to be.

I understand what you're saying, but lately it sure seems like all Arnel wants to be is a solo star in the Phillipines and the lead singer of the ZOO in the Phillipines.

Keep in mind that the media over there in his homeland have not really had any access to him since joining Journey. Except for a few quick interviews, he was in a world wind that kept him in the states. I think what you are seeing now is him just catching up with the avalanche of requests he received from the P-media. While I'm not a fan of this specific appearance, I don't think it means more than what is surface level. I also agree that he has demonstrated he doesn't want to be a rock star. He's living his dream, while remaining grounded around the people that matter most to him.

[The_Noble_Cause]

I think Arnel's once-distracting diction issues have been practically reduced to a non-entity - putting the attention back on the voice.
Lyrics like "Living in a lonely world" are now correctly pronounced "World", no longer "World-duh."
With that out of the way, I can't see what any Journey fan would have to complain about.
DSB hasn't been sung with this much power in ages - and Arnel isn't evn going full bore here.

[RocknRoll]

I thought Arnel was pretty much an unknown in the Phillipines before Journey. This all seems pretty orchestrated to me.

BTW. I do like the guy and have been a big supporter his being selected to front Journey. I do think the lack of visibility for Journey in the states has certainly impacted record sales, etc.

[The_Noble_Cause]

Revelations was a nice album but it wasn't great and not better than any of the first 6 Perry led albums.

If the guiding criteria for an album is how often you find yourself pushing the 'skip' button, I think Revelation is near faultless.
For better or worse, everything on this album is pure commercial AOR.

[Voyager]

Arnel sang DSB in afternoon TV show 11/29/08

Good that he is now promoting the Revelation album

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gvx2opyj1hA

What is sad is that they show the Revelation album cover, then bring Arnel out to sing a Steve Perry/Journey cover song. Why didn't he sing from the Revelation album? The people over there probably don't even know that DSB is not on Revelation. Seems a little misleading if you ask me.

It would be newsworthy if Steve Perry had done it. Arnel was singing Steve Perry/Journey cover songs long before he started singing for Journey. This really isn't newsworthy. As Simon Cowell would say - it wasn't much more than a good karaoke performance.

Don't get me wrong - I think Arnel is a great singer. I just don't think he should be receiving credit for the Steve Perry era of Journey.

[Don]

Arnel sang DSB in afternoon TV show 11/29/08

Good that he is now promoting the Revelation album

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gvx2opyj1hA

What is sad is that they show the Revelation album cover, then bring Arnel out to sing a Steve Perry/Journey cover song. Why didn't he sing from the Revelation album? The people over there probably don't even know that DSB is not on Revelation. Seems a little misleading if you ask me.

It would be newsworthy if Steve Perry had done it. Arnel was singing Steve Perry/Journey cover songs long before he started singing for Journey. This really isn't newsworthy. As Simon Cowell would say - it wasn't much more than a good karaoke performance.

Don't get me wrong - I think Arnel is a great singer. I just don't think he should be receiving credit for the Steve Perry era of Journey.

What makes it worse unfortunately is Perry is benefiting from the royalties off this song while Arnel isn't. He is in essence, as well as the rest of the band, working for Perry when they continue to promote these older tunes.
On the other hand though, I can see the band not letting him perform a new song by himself. it would make the band look like songwriters working for Arnel instead of musicians in a group that he is singing for. Too much of a solo act vibe (shades of Perry).
"After all these years" would have been a great song for him to sing though as it reportedly is tearing up the charts over there, if the info provided by our local Pinoy members is correct.

[hoagiepete]

I just wonder if his back up band used a click track during the performance!

[Don]

I just wonder if his back up band used a click track during the performance!

The quality of the instrumental portion of the performance was poor. Somebody must have ran over to Karaoke King and grabbed a VCD of Journey's greatest hits when the decision was made for him to perform on the show.

[Arianddu]

What makes it worse unfortunately is Perry is benefiting from the royalties off this song while Arnel isn't. He is in essence, as well as the rest of the band, working for Perry when they continue to promote these older tunes.

You know, I'm really getting to hate that tired old chestnut. The entire band make money from playing that god damn song; they don't effing 'work for Perry', they play the songs that they think will pull in the crowds & thus the money. And it's not like Cain and Schon don't get a chunk of the funds from DSB too.

Very few singers perform their own material, but you don't hear anyone saying that Bing Crosby was working for Irving Berlin all those years he was singing 'White Christmas' and both of them raked in the moolah. Hell, Jon Cain gets all the copyright dosh from 'Faithfully' - don't see anyone claiming that he's pushing them to keep that song in the set so he can get a bigger cut of the funds!

I agree that it would be better to see Journey moving forward, promoting the material that Arnel originally recorded, and give him a chance to make his own, unshadowed stamp on their music. But get off this fucking idea that Perry is somehow leeching off them; he wrote/co-wrote the music, he is entitled to the royalties that his songs earn, no matter who performs them.

[Don]

What makes it worse unfortunately is Perry is benefiting from the royalties off this song while Arnel isn't. He is in essence, as well as the rest of the band, working for Perry when they continue to promote these older tunes.

You know, I'm really getting to hate that tired old chestnut. The entire band make money from playing that god damn song; they don't effing 'work for Perry', they play the songs that they think will pull in the crowds & thus the money. And it's not like Cain and Schon don't get a chunk of the funds from DSB too.

Very few singers perform their own material, but you don't hear anyone saying that Bing Crosby was working for Irving Berlin all those years he was singing 'White Christmas' and both of them raked in the moolah. Hell, Jon Cain gets all the copyright dosh from 'Faithfully' - don't see anyone claiming that he's pushing them to keep that song in the set so he can get a bigger cut of the funds!

I agree that it would be better to see Journey moving forward, promoting the material that Arnel originally recorded, and give him a chance to make his own, unshadowed stamp on their music. But get off this fucking idea that Perry is somehow leeching off them; he wrote/co-wrote the music, he is entitled to the royalties that his songs earn, no matter who performs them.

My Point was that even though Neal, Jon and possibly Ross are getting royalties from the old catalog, Deen and Arnel are probably not benefiting from this. Push the new stuff if you can, so the whole team gets something out of it. Arnel has another manager that needs to be paid a portion of his cut, unlike the other band members so he has it worse than the rest.
Another thing, you don't think the immediate rise of Escape and Greatest its package in the charts because of Journey's success didn't benefit Perry?
Leeching off them would mean that he had control over what they do which of course he doesn't. I'm not saying Perry is a bad guy, he deserves everything he gets, but really what is the point of a going to a show now if they are only going to play three new songs from the Arnel era. I've seen the old stuff done by Perry already. I was has happy to see Arnel perform but was underwelmed by the setlist. If Heart hadn't been performing I wouldn't have even gone. this should be the New Journey featuring Arnel, but if you don't want to promote your Album in concert why should I buy it, or spend money to see songs that I've seen done twenty years ago by the original?

[Andrew]

What makes it worse unfortunately is Perry is benefiting from the royalties off this song while Arnel isn't. He is in essence, as well as the rest of the band, working for Perry when they continue to promote these older tunes.

If Steve P wrote the songs, then he need to be paid for that and if they are (in this case) legendary, well played tunes...then good luck to him and the other writers!

[Don]

What makes it worse unfortunately is Perry is benefiting from the royalties off this song while Arnel isn't. He is in essence, as well as the rest of the band, working for Perry when they continue to promote these older tunes.

You know, I'm really getting to hate that tired old chestnut. The entire band make money from playing that god damn song; they don't effing 'work for Perry', they play the songs that they think will pull in the crowds & thus the money. And it's not like Cain and Schon don't get a chunk of the funds from DSB too.

Very few singers perform their own material, but you don't hear anyone saying that Bing Crosby was working for Irving Berlin all those years he was singing 'White Christmas' and both of them raked in the moolah. Hell, Jon Cain gets all the copyright dosh from 'Faithfully' - don't see anyone claiming that he's pushing them to keep that song in the set so he can get a bigger cut of the funds!

I agree that it would be better to see Journey moving forward, promoting the material that Arnel originally recorded, and give him a chance to make his own, unshadowed stamp on their music. But get off this fucking idea that Perry is somehow leeching off them; he wrote/co-wrote the music, he is entitled to the royalties that his songs earn, no matter who performs them.

Bing's performance was released as a single and he made mad cash from it. The only one making money off the Journey re-releases is Walmart. You only hear the originals on the radio which means the people who wrote and performed that version benefit from the royalties it creates. The new vocalist who performs the song live and drums up the interest isn't getting his version played on the radio so no mula. It would be cool if Jon and Neal did like Steve did with Sherrie Swafford and gave Arnel the royalties they earn from the song as appreciation for him jump starting the band, but I don't think they are going to do that.

[Don]

What makes it worse unfortunately is Perry is benefiting from the royalties off this song while Arnel isn't. He is in essence, as well as the rest of the band, working for Perry when they continue to promote these older tunes.

If Steve P wrote the songs, then he need to be paid for that and if they are (in this case) legendary, well played tunes...then good luck to him and the other writers!

I don't begrudge Steve a penny, I'm just wishing Arnel could perform the new stuff more often and generate interest in Revelation instead of Journey's greatest hits.
Perry should be their manager, he would probably be able to set them all up financially for life.

[Voyager]

What makes it worse unfortunately is Perry is benefiting from the royalties off this song while Arnel isn't.

Why would that be an issue? Are any of the Elvis impersonators making royalties off of Blue Suede Shoes or Jailhouse Rock? Why should Arnel, Steve Augeri, JSS, Hugo, Jeremey, or any other Steve Perry tribute singer make any royalties off of Don't Stop Believin'?

"After all these years" would have been a great song for him to sing though as it reportedly is tearing up the charts over there, if the info provided by our local Pinoy members is correct.

I agree.

[Don]

What makes it worse unfortunately is Perry is benefiting from the royalties off this song while Arnel isn't.

Why would that be an issue? Are any of the Elvis impersonators making royalties off of Blue Suede Shoes or Jailhouse Rock? Why should Arnel, Steve Augeri, JSS, Hugo, Jeremey, or any other Steve Perry tribute singer make any royalties off of Don't Stop Believin'?

No issue other then why promote that song on a TV show when you should be promoting songs that you actually get paid to perform on an album, instead of the songs that transform you into a tribute singer. I now he can't sing the newer songs but it's still silly, He could have just as well sang Survivor or Loggins if he was going to do a Perry cover.

"After all these years" would have been a great song for him to sing though as it reportedly is tearing up the charts over there, if the info provided by our local Pinoy members is correct.

I agree.

I'm not saying Perry is a bad guy. I guess it looks that way though, since this is the third post in regard to that. Yesterday I was a Perry loon and an Arnel basher in this same thread. I guess if I went along with crowd, I could just as well go read a cookbook, it would be that excitng.

[Arianddu]

GB, I don't disagree with you in thinking that Journey needs to play more of the new stuff off Revelation, and I'd love to see Arnel get involved in the writing of the next album, if that's where his skills lie. (I'll point out that Arnel no more makes copyright royalties from music from Revelation than he would from any SP-related songs.) What I do disagree with is this idea that anyone is working for Steve Perry. Every time some one argues that Perry is living off Journey's hard work touring, while he sits back and rakes in the cash, I want to point out with extreme prejudice that they are touring on a catalogue of songs that he wrote/co-wrote and that they are still performing. And let's not get me started on how they've just sold a new album by tying it to re-records of songs SP wrote/co-wrote... who's riding on whose coat tails here, exactly?

The current line-up of Journey are working for themselves, pure and simple, but some of the music they perform means that some royalties need to be paid elsewhere. You could equally argue that they are working for Fleischman when they perform Wheel In The Sky, or for Rolie when they do Just The Same Way or City Of The Angels, but I don't see any implication that somehow those guys are benefitting from anyone else's hard work.

[Carla777]

His sing is better than ever..and he look good and healthy....VIVA ARNEL!!!

[POOWIE]

How many shows are they doing in the RP, one? I'm not seeing any big reason to promote the group there. Album sales? With the piracy there why bother? I just want the guy to rest up for his next big tour. Karaoke performances just looks cheesy to me, especially without the band. Can you imagine Perry, Deyoung or Brad Delp doing that when they were with their bands. Write a hit song for Journey and then you can play karaoke king, but as of now, I don't think he should be doing any Journey covers without the group.

For Marketing side of things, i doubt these appearances really generate any buzz. Arnel should have kept a low profile and wait until the guys show up. Do an interview with the whole crew and then sing one song on national Phil TV. That would be enough. I have a feeling that the ones going to see JOurney concert in Manila have already known JOurney for a while. Those that don't, probably have no buck to spare. Bert de Leon you suck big time. I maintain my position in your ability. A piece of advice to Arnel, get a manager from the West. Phil market is nill for Journey.

[Voyager]

His sing is better than ever..and he look good and healthy....VIVA ARNEL!!!

Yes, I am very happy for Arnel. He is a great singer. Couldn't have happened to someone more deserving. He has paid his dues, and he needed a break. It's a Cinderella story for sure.

[Don]

His sing is better than ever..and he look good and healthy....VIVA ARNEL!!!

Yes, I am very happy for Arnel. He is a great singer. Couldn't have happened to someone more deserving. He has paid his dues, and he needed a break. It's a Cinderella story for sure.

[Carla777]

His sing is better than ever..and he look good and healthy....VIVA ARNEL!!!

Yes, I am very happy for Arnel. He is a great singer. Couldn't have happened to someone more deserving. He has paid his dues, and he needed a break. It's a Cinderella story for sure.

Yeahh he is fantastic Voyager..i agree very much with u..hehe cinderella!

ps. I feel is not right critices this kind of presentation, since Arnel knows what he mean for the Pinoys, he is a very humble and kind guy, he love his people and he seem to enjoy sing and show the love and help others artist like him....and besides if Journey don't say anything about it...i don't see the point here..

ARNEL ROCKS!