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hoagiepete wrote:Not sure how they rated this, but no way would I put George Harrison, Frank Zappa, Carolos Santana, Alex Lifeson, Billy Gibbons and Kurt Cobain in front of Neal. Keith Richards is another.
Overall, it's a pretty decent list though.
wastingbeerz wrote:And also, the fact that Hetfield is not only in front of Mustaine, but so far in front of him, is disgusting. Mustaine pretty much gave Metallica their riff style to begin with.
SF-Dano wrote:I think the term "complete" is my biggest problem with this list. Factors such as sales, longevity, and influence on industry just don't belong IMO. Those are just ways of getting, as is obvious by some names on the list, players of inferior technical ability onto the list.
My criteria for a "complete" player when compiling a list would only include the items below. Yes, this would cause me to miss good players that I had not heard of, but that is going to happen anyway. I have heard/seen some guys that never made it out of the local club scene that were more "complete" than several guys on the list above. As I am sure there are local guys in everyones area that are incredible players.
What items do you consider to make up a "complete" player? I would be interested to read others thoughts on this.
Mine:
Technical ability - both live and in studio, how many styles and how well can they be played.
Writing - at least for me, there has to be some structure to a piece.
Emotion/Soul/Groove - can they get across the feeling being presented in the song when needed.
conversationpc wrote:wastingbeerz wrote:And also, the fact that Hetfield is not only in front of Mustaine, but so far in front of him, is disgusting. Mustaine pretty much gave Metallica their riff style to begin with.
Mustaine is one of the best rhythm guitarists in the business, in my opinion.
X factor wrote:You know, I've just spent the last two weeks on this board defending the seattle movement...but Kurt Cobain doesn't belong ANYWHERE on this list...much less ahead of MARK FREAKING KNOPHLER!!!!!
...and Warren Haynes in the 70's ? This is why I hate lists like this...
Ehwmatt wrote:Honestly, as soon as I saw Angus Young in the top 10 I just stopped reading. I mean the guy's legendary, but has anyone ever seen him play something besides his SG with the Marshall cranked?
The only incredibly "complete" players can be found in the virtuoso genre - guys like Paul Gilbert, Satch, Petrucci, and even Yngwie can play a ridiculous array of styles even if their work doesn't always show it. Luke might be the most complete commercially successful player out there, really.
Tomulator wrote:Ehwmatt wrote:Honestly, as soon as I saw Angus Young in the top 10 I just stopped reading. I mean the guy's legendary, but has anyone ever seen him play something besides his SG with the Marshall cranked?
The only incredibly "complete" players can be found in the virtuoso genre - guys like Paul Gilbert, Satch, Petrucci, and even Yngwie can play a ridiculous array of styles even if their work doesn't always show it. Luke might be the most complete commercially successful player out there, really.
True Dat
Ehwmatt wrote:Honestly, as soon as I saw Angus Young in the top 10 I just stopped reading. I mean the guy's legendary, but has anyone ever seen him play something besides his SG with the Marshall cranked?
The only incredibly "complete" players can be found in the virtuoso genre - guys like Paul Gilbert, Satch, Petrucci, and even Yngwie can play a ridiculous array of styles even if their work doesn't always show it. Luke might be the most complete commercially successful player out there, really.
StocktontoMalone wrote:Tomulator wrote:Ehwmatt wrote:Honestly, as soon as I saw Angus Young in the top 10 I just stopped reading. I mean the guy's legendary, but has anyone ever seen him play something besides his SG with the Marshall cranked?
The only incredibly "complete" players can be found in the virtuoso genre - guys like Paul Gilbert, Satch, Petrucci, and even Yngwie can play a ridiculous array of styles even if their work doesn't always show it. Luke might be the most complete commercially successful player out there, really.
True Dat
Hmmmm...I don't know. I listen to 'Africa', 'Hold the Line', and 'Rosanna', and the first thing that doesn't come to mind is 'Wow, that Lukather sure is a sweet geetar player!'...
Ehwmatt wrote:StocktontoMalone wrote:Tomulator wrote:Ehwmatt wrote:Honestly, as soon as I saw Angus Young in the top 10 I just stopped reading. I mean the guy's legendary, but has anyone ever seen him play something besides his SG with the Marshall cranked?
The only incredibly "complete" players can be found in the virtuoso genre - guys like Paul Gilbert, Satch, Petrucci, and even Yngwie can play a ridiculous array of styles even if their work doesn't always show it. Luke might be the most complete commercially successful player out there, really.
True Dat
Hmmmm...I don't know. I listen to 'Africa', 'Hold the Line', and 'Rosanna', and the first thing that doesn't come to mind is 'Wow, that Lukather sure is a sweet geetar player!'...
Here, your ignorance is not bliss S2M. You've heard Luke play more than you realize. In addition to having incredible guitar work within the Toto canon, (which I hope you haven't heard much of going by your post) you've probably heard more of his solos than you can even imagine. He's one of the premiere session players of all time. He's unbelievable. Just find some live Toto or Luke footage, you'll see. Or just go look up his ridiculous discography.
StocktontoMalone wrote:Ehwmatt wrote:StocktontoMalone wrote:Tomulator wrote:Ehwmatt wrote:Honestly, as soon as I saw Angus Young in the top 10 I just stopped reading. I mean the guy's legendary, but has anyone ever seen him play something besides his SG with the Marshall cranked?
The only incredibly "complete" players can be found in the virtuoso genre - guys like Paul Gilbert, Satch, Petrucci, and even Yngwie can play a ridiculous array of styles even if their work doesn't always show it. Luke might be the most complete commercially successful player out there, really.
True Dat
Hmmmm...I don't know. I listen to 'Africa', 'Hold the Line', and 'Rosanna', and the first thing that doesn't come to mind is 'Wow, that Lukather sure is a sweet geetar player!'...
Here, your ignorance is not bliss S2M. You've heard Luke play more than you realize. In addition to having incredible guitar work within the Toto canon, (which I hope you haven't heard much of going by your post) you've probably heard more of his solos than you can even imagine. He's one of the premiere session players of all time. He's unbelievable. Just find some live Toto or Luke footage, you'll see. Or just go look up his ridiculous discography.
True. I only have the commercial stuff to go by. Perhaps I'll investigate further. Props to you for calling me on my ignorance.....![]()
StocktontoMalone wrote:Tomulator wrote:Ehwmatt wrote:Honestly, as soon as I saw Angus Young in the top 10 I just stopped reading. I mean the guy's legendary, but has anyone ever seen him play something besides his SG with the Marshall cranked?
The only incredibly "complete" players can be found in the virtuoso genre - guys like Paul Gilbert, Satch, Petrucci, and even Yngwie can play a ridiculous array of styles even if their work doesn't always show it. Luke might be the most complete commercially successful player out there, really.
True Dat
Hmmmm...I don't know. I listen to 'Africa', 'Hold the Line', and 'Rosanna', and the first thing that doesn't come to mind is 'Wow, that Lukather sure is a sweet geetar player!'...
Ehwmatt wrote:StocktontoMalone wrote:Tomulator wrote:Ehwmatt wrote:Honestly, as soon as I saw Angus Young in the top 10 I just stopped reading. I mean the guy's legendary, but has anyone ever seen him play something besides his SG with the Marshall cranked?
The only incredibly "complete" players can be found in the virtuoso genre - guys like Paul Gilbert, Satch, Petrucci, and even Yngwie can play a ridiculous array of styles even if their work doesn't always show it. Luke might be the most complete commercially successful player out there, really.
True Dat
Hmmmm...I don't know. I listen to 'Africa', 'Hold the Line', and 'Rosanna', and the first thing that doesn't come to mind is 'Wow, that Lukather sure is a sweet geetar player!'...
Here, your ignorance is not bliss S2M. You've heard Luke play more than you realize. In addition to having incredible guitar work within the Toto canon, (which I hope you haven't heard much of going by your post) you've probably heard more of his solos than you can even imagine. He's one of the premiere session players of all time. He's unbelievable. Just find some live Toto or Luke footage, you'll see. Or just go look up his ridiculous discography.
StocktontoMalone wrote:My initial thoughts: As big of a RUSH fan as I am, I think Lifeson should be lower on this list. His playing is very etheral. Personally I don't like his style. But hey, what do *I* know.
Third, Ying/Yang Malmsteen is a hack. Guy plays scales, and wicked fast arpeggios. Ohhhhh...big whoop.
Fourth, does every member of Metallica have to be on the fucking list?
No Steve Morse?
Oh, and Ritchie Blackmore should be lower....another guy who wacks off musically. I bought a couple of Rainbow concerts on DVD. There were FIVE songs on them. Ritchie likes to sonically masturbate during songs. That's why I have a concert with a 17 minute, 'Man on the Silver Mountain', and an 8 minute, 'Still I'm Sad'. Gee, thanks guys. I love watching an entire concert for only FIVE songs. However, his playing on the 'Gates of Babylon' is CLASSIC!
conversationpc wrote:StocktontoMalone wrote:No Steve Morse?
Yeah, what up with that? He's probably one of the top 10 guitarists in rock/country rock. The dude smokes almost everyone on this list.
StocktontoMalone wrote:My initial thoughts: As big of a RUSH fan as I am, I think Lifeson should be lower on this list. His playing is very etheral. Personally I don't like his style. But hey, what do *I* know. Second, Scholtz should be WAY higher. Hell, the guy is an engineer, and invented half the shit guitarists use anyway. And I've always loved his tone. Third, Ying/Yang Malmsteen is a hack. Guy plays scales, and wicked fast arpeggios. Ohhhhh...big whoop. Fourth, does every member of Metallica have to be on the fucking list? No Steve Morse? And the BIGGEST omission of all is TFK, or Terry Kath to you...fucking guy was HENDRIX's hero, enough said.
Oh, and Ritchie Blackmore should be lower....another guy who wacks off musically. I bought a couple of Rainbow concerts on DVD. There were FIVE songs on them. Ritchie likes to sonically masturbate during songs. That's why I have a concert with a 17 minute, 'Man on the Silver Mountain', and an 8 minute, 'Still I'm Sad'. Gee, thanks guys. I love watching an entire concert for only FIVE songs. However, his playing on the 'Gates of Babylon' is CLASSIC!
And what about George Lynch? His sound/tone is perhaps the most distinctive of them all. Should be higher....Rip? What say you?
Behshad wrote:StocktontoMalone wrote:My initial thoughts: As big of a RUSH fan as I am, I think Lifeson should be lower on this list. His playing is very etheral. Personally I don't like his style. But hey, what do *I* know. Second, Scholtz should be WAY higher. Hell, the guy is an engineer, and invented half the shit guitarists use anyway. And I've always loved his tone. Third, Ying/Yang Malmsteen is a hack. Guy plays scales, and wicked fast arpeggios. Ohhhhh...big whoop. Fourth, does every member of Metallica have to be on the fucking list? No Steve Morse? And the BIGGEST omission of all is TFK, or Terry Kath to you...fucking guy was HENDRIX's hero, enough said.
Oh, and Ritchie Blackmore should be lower....another guy who wacks off musically. I bought a couple of Rainbow concerts on DVD. There were FIVE songs on them. Ritchie likes to sonically masturbate during songs. That's why I have a concert with a 17 minute, 'Man on the Silver Mountain', and an 8 minute, 'Still I'm Sad'. Gee, thanks guys. I love watching an entire concert for only FIVE songs. However, his playing on the 'Gates of Babylon' is CLASSIC!
And what about George Lynch? His sound/tone is perhaps the most distinctive of them all. Should be higher....Rip? What say you?
In regards to Yngwie,,,,, 1st of,, he is the KING of Neoclassical rock. He brought it here and everyone and their brother tried to copy it.
Also, I am 100% sure you havent listened to any of his albums,,,, his songwritting skills are more than a handfull of arpeggios and licks and scales.... the guy can write some amazing music,, not just the guitar and the bass part,, but also lyrics... I will hook you up with some of his stuff that will make you eat your words! he is the only one of ALL the guitar players mentioned above that wrote a dozen of songs , part by part for every instrument for the Japanese philharmonic orchestra and played those songs with them.... PM me and I will introduce you to the REAL Ynwgie, not just the speed demon who plays the same scales you think he is.....
StocktontoMalone wrote: And the BIGGEST omission of all is TFK, or Terry Kath to you
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