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Postby bluejeangirl76 » Wed Feb 18, 2009 11:19 pm

The general idea of this article (for those who don't have time or don't want to read it) is that this woman worked at a hotel and is sharing her corner-cutting secrets for cleaning rooms so that she can get them done faster and scrape a half an hour or more of actual work time off of her shift.


http://travel.yahoo.com/p-interests-25303242


Not too much of this article surprised me... but the last line really ticked me off:

But if housekeepers were paid more than minimum wage—and the tips were a bit better—
I might have cleaned your toilet rather than just flushed it.


Really? If you had cleaned the toilet rather than just flushing it, I might have tipped you.

Just this past weekend, I stayed at an Intercontinental. This is a really upscale place...
I should NOT have found gross black hairs (plural!) in the bathroom sink. But I did. :evil:

But I guess if that housekeeper had been tipped by the previous guest, she might have cleaned up those hairs, huh? :roll:
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Postby Arianddu » Wed Feb 18, 2009 11:52 pm

Another example why hospitality staff should be paid decently, and tips should be discouraged. Do your flipping job properly, and get paid for it properly - or don't do your job properly and get fired. But enough with the bullshit 'tips are wages' or worse 'tips are expected' thinking.
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Postby Ehwmatt » Thu Feb 19, 2009 12:01 am

Arianddu wrote:Another eaxample why hospitality staff should be paid decently, and tips should be discouraged. Do your flipping job properly, and get paid for it properly - or don't do your job properly and get fired. But enough with the bullshit 'tips are wages' or worse 'tips are expected' thinking.


Yes, but until then, people ought to be decent and pay a good tip for anything even approaching satisfactory/courteous service. I've had friends that come out to my favorite restaurant here and leave 0 tip. We are talking about a place that sees me come in and brings me the exact drink I want and can probably recite my debit card number at this point. That's embarrassing. Tipping is the custom in America (what about Australia?) and I really don't ever see that changing. But it's unfortunate that many service workers are at the mercy of cheap people leaving them 1 quarter for a $15 bill. They're supposed to live off of those tips.
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Postby KenTheDude » Thu Feb 19, 2009 12:19 am

I've never heard of tipping a hotel maid. Now I have to "bribe" them to actually clean my room?? :roll:
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Postby Ehwmatt » Thu Feb 19, 2009 12:20 am

KenTheDude wrote:I've never heard of tipping a hotel maid. Now I have to "bribe" them to actually clean my room?? :roll:


Yeah, to be fair to my last post, I gotta qualify it with this too. Hell, I'm either checked out or out of my room when they come 99.9% of the time.
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Postby Suzanne » Thu Feb 19, 2009 12:22 am

Most maids wore rubber gloves when they worked, but mine were too big, so I discarded them. Unsurprisingly, I got the flu twice.


It's a shame she's too dumb to go buy gloves that fit. (They come in three sizes) I'm surprised that's all she caught. :shock:
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Postby Arianddu » Thu Feb 19, 2009 12:27 am

Ehwmatt wrote:
Arianddu wrote:Another eaxample why hospitality staff should be paid decently, and tips should be discouraged. Do your flipping job properly, and get paid for it properly - or don't do your job properly and get fired. But enough with the bullshit 'tips are wages' or worse 'tips are expected' thinking.


Yes, but until then, people ought to be decent and pay a good tip for anything even approaching satisfactory/courteous service. I've had friends that come out to my favorite restaurant here and leave 0 tip. We are talking about a place that sees me come in and brings me the exact drink I want and can probably recite my debit card number at this point. That's embarrassing. Tipping is the custom in America (what about Australia?) and I really don't ever see that changing. But it's unfortunate that many service workers are at the mercy of cheap people leaving them 1 quarter for a $15 bill. They're supposed to live off of those tips.


Tipping isn't customary, and wait staff get paid over the minimum wage (in some cases, such as those trained in silver service or licenced to work on gambling premises, quite a bit over the minimum wage). Tipping here is strictly for exceptional service. There isn't a hard and set rule about percentages either, it's usually round the bill up to the nearest 10, 20 or 50, depending on how good the service was, how flush you are and how many people were eating.

The result is - shock horror! - staff actually really, genuinely appreciate tips! And they do their job properly, whether or not you tipped them last time. I remember an American friend being quite shocked that a young waitress in a cafe chased out after us to give him his change that he had left behind. The flattered-but-astonished look on the girl's face (she was probably around 17) was a pleasure to see when he explained he had left it as a tip. He couldn't get over how pleased and grateful she was by it and he still talks about it as a highlight of his holiday 15 years later. To me, well, she was inexperienced and naive, but the being flattered and pleased by a tip is pretty standard.

The bullshit call is directed at employers, btw.
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Postby Ehwmatt » Thu Feb 19, 2009 12:33 am

Arianddu wrote:
Ehwmatt wrote:
Arianddu wrote:Another eaxample why hospitality staff should be paid decently, and tips should be discouraged. Do your flipping job properly, and get paid for it properly - or don't do your job properly and get fired. But enough with the bullshit 'tips are wages' or worse 'tips are expected' thinking.


Yes, but until then, people ought to be decent and pay a good tip for anything even approaching satisfactory/courteous service. I've had friends that come out to my favorite restaurant here and leave 0 tip. We are talking about a place that sees me come in and brings me the exact drink I want and can probably recite my debit card number at this point. That's embarrassing. Tipping is the custom in America (what about Australia?) and I really don't ever see that changing. But it's unfortunate that many service workers are at the mercy of cheap people leaving them 1 quarter for a $15 bill. They're supposed to live off of those tips.


Tipping isn't customary, and wait staff get paid over the minimum wage (in some cases, such as those trained in silver service or licenced to work on gambling premises, quite a bit over the minimum wage). Tipping here is strictly for exceptional service. There isn't a hard and set rule about percentages either, it's usually round the bill up to the nearest 10, 20 or 50, depending on how good the service was, how flush you are and how many people were eating.

The result is - shock horror! - staff actually really, genuinely appreciate tips! And they do their job properly, whether or not you tipped them last time. I remember an American friend being quite shocked that a young waitress in a cafe chased out after us to give him his change that he had left behind. The flattered-but-astonished look on the girl's face (she was probably around 17) was a pleasure to see when he explained he had left it as a tip. He couldn't get over how pleased and grateful she was by it and he still talks about it as a highlight of his holiday 15 years later. To me, well, she was inexperienced and naive, but the being flattered and pleased by a tip is pretty standard.


Most service people do a pretty good job here too, even with our wage/tip system. I'm always real polite, some eye contact when they come to the table and introduce themselves, please/thank you for everything, and 95% of the time I'm happy with the service I get. I know it's a tough job. I don't expect them to be perfect, they might be new or at the end of a long 10 hour shift or whatever else. All I expect is the same politeness/courtesy that I give sent back. In the last 12 months, I've had one night of just horrific service at a Damon's - this guy was just a complete bozo. Couldn't get anything right, took him 10 minutes at a time to get drinks, brought me an Amstel when I ordered a Newcastle, screwed up food orders. Even then, the poor guy was nice and self-deprecating. He was just a complete moron. So I still tipped him 15%
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Postby Ehwmatt » Thu Feb 19, 2009 12:35 am

Arianddu wrote:The bullshit call is directed at employers, btw.


I agree. I think in upscale restaurants/places, people are generally going to leave a generous tip more often than not. But my girlfriend worked at Bob Evans a few years ago as a waitress and it was horrendous. She literally had people leave her a dime or two for a family of four. Unreal. If you can't afford to pay the bill and leave a decent tip, you shouldn't be dining out.
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Postby bluejeangirl76 » Thu Feb 19, 2009 12:43 am

My whole annoyance with this runs on the same level as the discussions we've had here about restaurant staff. Tips should not be handed out automatically, in my book. If you don't do your job, you have no right to expect a scooby snack.

If I enter a hotel room and getting the disgusting hair out of the sink becomes my problem, NO ONE is getting a damn thing. So that line in that housekeeper's story really irked me. If I have to do your job, I'm not rewarding you, simple as that. I work for a hotel, and I absolutely can't stand hearing that guests have complained about stuff like that, because we end up apologizing for (and losing business for), our staff being lazy.
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Postby Rhiannon » Thu Feb 19, 2009 12:52 am

I work hard for my money, and therefore anyone "expecting" a tip should as well.

Not my problem what your base pay is, and if you have a sense of entitlement about doing a decent job, I will not be giving you money just because.
True story, I went out to dinner one night with friends and had the worst service... the soup which was brought late because the waitress claimed they had just put on a fresh batch was lukewarm at best. Then one of the sides I asked for with my food wasn't with my food when it came, so I reminded her only to sit for the next 20 minutes and watch her stare off into space back at the kitchen. I eventually got up, walked into the kitchen and asked if she could bring me what I'd asked for. The rest of the meal she was overly apologetic but just as wretched. I didn't tip. However, one time at a meal where I was paying with gift cards (and for some reason I've seen people not tip when they use these), my waitress was amazing. Totally attentive and really on the ball. I left her a $20. So yeah.

Earn it.
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Postby bluejeangirl76 » Thu Feb 19, 2009 12:59 am

Rhiannon wrote:I eventually got up, walked into the kitchen and asked if she could bring me what I'd asked for.


Omg that was funny as hell! I was thinking about that as I was posting.
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Postby Rhiannon » Thu Feb 19, 2009 1:03 am

bluejeangirl76 wrote:
Rhiannon wrote:I eventually got up, walked into the kitchen and asked if she could bring me what I'd asked for.


Omg that was funny as hell! I was thinking about that as I was posting.


Was she not shitting herself until we all left there? :lol:
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Postby hoagiepete » Thu Feb 19, 2009 1:10 am

I'm sure she's getting paid the same as every other maid, so why work harder than the others?

And...if she can't pay her bills...there's help on the way from Uncle Sam.

Ah hell...in today's America...she should get paid as much as the CEO. It's only fair.
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Postby Suzanne » Thu Feb 19, 2009 2:07 am

Rhiannon wrote:I work hard for my money, and therefore anyone "expecting" a tip should as well.

Not my problem what your base pay is, and if you have a sense of entitlement about doing a decent job, I will not be giving you money just because.
True story, I went out to dinner one night with friends and had the worst service... the soup which was brought late because the waitress claimed they had just put on a fresh batch was lukewarm at best. Then one of the sides I asked for with my food wasn't with my food when it came, so I reminded her only to sit for the next 20 minutes and watch her stare off into space back at the kitchen. I eventually got up, walked into the kitchen and asked if she could bring me what I'd asked for. The rest of the meal she was overly apologetic but just as wretched. I didn't tip. However, one time at a meal where I was paying with gift cards (and for some reason I've seen people not tip when they use these), my waitress was amazing. Totally attentive and really on the ball. I left her a $20. So yeah.

Earn it.


I agree. On the other side- We always let the management know when we get great food, service, waitress, etc. PLUS leaving a generous tip. But boy if we get bad service, etc. I ALWAYS get online and and let the company know.
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Postby marco17 » Thu Feb 19, 2009 2:52 am

All right folks... not sure if any of you are in the "Industry" but I was for about 10 years in a hotel management position. I've done everything from working the front desk to being a General Manager, and yeah I've had to clean rooms on occassion. And, not for some independent operator or National Park Attraction hotel the person in this article was. But here's some reaction to the article and some of the posts.

First, this looks like one of those articles where one person says something they did, and now it is how ALL hospitality workers must be doing their jobs, and it starts to spark outrage and concern, much like those 20/20 shows did some years back.

Yes, you will always run into an employee who will cut corners to get things done quicker and ulitmately not do a good job doing it... those get canned because the housekeeping management checks [or should check] enough rooms a day to know whether they are really cleaning the room properly...including doing more then just flushing the toilet. I knew a lot of housekeepers who had shortcuts to save time, but never compromised the cleanliness of the room. They knew ways to cut a few minutes off the time it took them to do the room because in their 8 hour days, depending on whether it was a full service or limited service hotel, they had to clean somewhere between 12-18 rooms per day. Do the math, it's about 25-30 minutes per room on average, give or take a couple minutes.

All major hotel companies do QA [quality assurance] checks on their hotels at least every 6 months to make sure they are adhering to all the operating standards. If you aren't you have to correct them or risk losing the hotel. Most hotels are not owned by the well known companies, they are owned by real estate companies or property management companies as a couple examples. They are franchise operators that contract with the Marriott's, Hilton's, etc... for the rights to use their name, and must maintain the standards those hotels expect.

As far as tipping... I, as someone in the business never tipped the housekeeping staff when I traveled. I am not sure when that began, but it is not considered common practice. For wait staff... in the vast majority of hotels [that do enough volume in food sales] and resturants, the hourly rate of pay is something like $3.15 [it's been a few years so it probably changed]. Regardless, it is far below minimum wage, and that is allowed because they are going to make minimally the minimum wage amount when they receive their tips. Be smart when you decide you aren't going to give the server a good tip. If you had a problem, was is something within the control of the server? If the food sucked, the server didn't make it, but if they still provided you with good "service" take that into consideration and reach out to the manager, who if they are any good will adjust your bill. Hell yeah, give them a crappy tip if your server is too busy talking on his/her cellphone at the service area, or would rather be outside smoking then be waiting on your table. But, certainly if you tip, tip what you think is fair based on the overall service you were given. And, yes, a server goes into that job knowing that he/she are only getting the small hourly wage because they make all their money on tips.

And just one more point.... this is a true statistic.... it used to be drilled into our heads all the time... The average person who has a good experience will tell one or two people. The person who has a bad experience tells a minimum of 10. So, for those of you who take the time to pass on a good word, trust me, it is appreciated, because we tend to never hear the good things that happened, but always the bad.

Okay, off my soapbox now :D
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Postby bluejeangirl76 » Thu Feb 19, 2009 3:15 am

marco17 wrote:First, this looks like one of those articles where one person says something they did, and now it is how ALL hospitality workers must be doing their jobs, and it starts to spark outrage and concern, much like those 20/20 shows did some years back.


I don't know what might come from an article like that being published, but my point was never about "all hospitality workers" behaving that way. My irritation came from that remark written by the woman in the article, claiming she refuses to bother doing a proper job because the tips suck. Maybe the tips would not suck if you put some effort into your job, same with restaurant staff. I mean, the woman in this article admitted to not doing her job the way it's supposed to be done, and still complained about not being compensated?

And p.s. - if she got the flu twice from the filthiness of the room, let's assume that the next guests in the room she didn't clean properly also got sick. Her sense of entitlement is just unreal.

Of course it shouldn't be assumed that ALL workers are as terrible as the one in the article, nor should it be assumed that the ones who are terrible aren't going to skate by without being caught and fired. But this does go on. I see it for myself both as a hotel employee and as a guest.

The nicer the hotel, the more it pisses me off.
I should not be walking into an Intercon and seeing grossness.
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Postby marco17 » Thu Feb 19, 2009 6:09 am

bluejeangirl76 wrote:
marco17 wrote:First, this looks like one of those articles where one person says something they did, and now it is how ALL hospitality workers must be doing their jobs, and it starts to spark outrage and concern, much like those 20/20 shows did some years back.


I don't know what might come from an article like that being published, but my point was never about "all hospitality workers" behaving that way. My irritation came from that remark written by the woman in the article, claiming she refuses to bother doing a proper job because the tips suck. Maybe the tips would not suck if you put some effort into your job, same with restaurant staff. I mean, the woman in this article admitted to not doing her job the way it's supposed to be done, and still complained about not being compensated?

And p.s. - if she got the flu twice from the filthiness of the room, let's assume that the next guests in the room she didn't clean properly also got sick. Her sense of entitlement is just unreal.

Of course it shouldn't be assumed that ALL workers are as terrible as the one in the article, nor should it be assumed that the ones who are terrible aren't going to skate by without being caught and fired. But this does go on. I see it for myself both as a hotel employee and as a guest.

The nicer the hotel, the more it pisses me off.
I should not be walking into an Intercon and seeing grossness.


You are right... it does go on... and it shouldn't. And of course if the nicer the hotel, the more pissed you or anyone else would be to run into such a situation. Oh yeah, this particular lady in the article is quite a gem. I would have fired her @$$ along time ago. :)
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Postby Michigan Girl » Thu Feb 19, 2009 9:04 am

Wow, I've never thought to tip the housekeepers... :shock:
Bellhops, YES, Room Service, YES!!! Does it help that
I pretty much clean up after myself?!? :wink:

I'm starting to feel really bad for the people that stay
after me!!
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Postby SP Fan in Oregon » Thu Feb 19, 2009 9:53 am

KenTheDude wrote:I've never heard of tipping a hotel maid. Now I have to "bribe" them to actually clean my room?? :roll:



WHAT???????????? You must not travel much........... Tipping the maid is common practice. Otherwise, you very well might get pubic hairs on your
drinking glass....... :D

I was in Cabo for Christmas and tipped the maid $4.00 every day............. That would feed a family of 5 for a whole day!
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Postby Michigan Girl » Thu Feb 19, 2009 10:03 am

SP Fan in Oregon wrote:
KenTheDude wrote:I've never heard of tipping a hotel maid. Now I have to "bribe" them to actually clean my room?? :roll:



WHAT???????????? You must not travel much........... Tipping the maid is common practice. Otherwise, you very well might get pubic hairs on your
drinking glass....... :D

I was in Cabo for Christmas and tipped the maid $4.00 every day............. That would feed a family of 5 for a whole day!


Go all inclusive, they advise against tipping extra!!! :wink:
Sometimes you just can't help it!!
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Postby SP Fan in Oregon » Thu Feb 19, 2009 10:09 am

Michigan Girl wrote:
SP Fan in Oregon wrote:
KenTheDude wrote:I've never heard of tipping a hotel maid. Now I have to "bribe" them to actually clean my room?? :roll:



WHAT???????????? You must not travel much........... Tipping the maid is common practice. Otherwise, you very well might get pubic hairs on your
drinking glass....... :D

I was in Cabo for Christmas and tipped the maid $4.00 every day............. That would feed a family of 5 for a whole day!


Go all inclusive, they advise against tipping extra!!! :wink:
Sometimes you just can't help it!!


I was staying at the Hacienda Del Mar........
http://www.haciendadelmar.com.mx/

You can't get much more all inclusive then that.............. :D
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Postby bluejeangirl76 » Thu Feb 19, 2009 10:09 am

SP Fan in Oregon wrote:
KenTheDude wrote:I've never heard of tipping a hotel maid. Now I have to "bribe" them to actually clean my room?? :roll:



WHAT???????????? You must not travel much........... Tipping the maid is common practice. Otherwise, you very well might get pubic hairs on your drinking glass....... :D


Or man splotches on the duvet... saw that not too long ago. Tip? Uh... no.
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Postby Michigan Girl » Thu Feb 19, 2009 10:15 am

bluejeangirl76 wrote:
SP Fan in Oregon wrote:
KenTheDude wrote:I've never heard of tipping a hotel maid. Now I have to "bribe" them to actually clean my room?? :roll:



WHAT???????????? You must not travel much........... Tipping the maid is common practice. Otherwise, you very well might get pubic hairs on your drinking glass....... :D


Or man splotches on the duvet... saw that not too long ago. Tip? Uh... no.


I have to bring my own blankies because of something like that. Sheets may get
changed, but the rest does not!! :wink:
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Postby SP Fan in Oregon » Thu Feb 19, 2009 10:20 am

Michigan Girl wrote:
bluejeangirl76 wrote:
SP Fan in Oregon wrote:
KenTheDude wrote:I've never heard of tipping a hotel maid. Now I have to "bribe" them to actually clean my room?? :roll:



WHAT???????????? You must not travel much........... Tipping the maid is common practice. Otherwise, you very well might get pubic hairs on your drinking glass....... :D


Or man splotches on the duvet... saw that not too long ago. Tip? Uh... no.


I have to bring my own blankies because of something like that. Sheets may get
changed, but the rest does not!! :wink:


First thing I do in a Hotel Room, is pull the bedspread and blankets off the bed onto the floor and use the
blankets from the lobby closet (special request) that are all cleaned and wrapped in plastic. I also grab plastic cups from
the free coffee bar and use those instead of the glasses by the sink. I know for a fact that maids just rinse out those glasses
and put the little fresh papers to cover the lids, like they are all cleaned.... Most times they just wipe those glasses off with the
same rag they just wiped the toilet seat with.......... NEVER NEVER NEVER drink out of the glasses next to the sink!!!!!! :o
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Postby Jubilee » Thu Feb 19, 2009 10:27 am

This is absolutely terrifying. I may never leave my house again. :shock:
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Postby Michigan Girl » Thu Feb 19, 2009 10:31 am

SP Fan in Oregon wrote:
Michigan Girl wrote:
bluejeangirl76 wrote:
SP Fan in Oregon wrote:
KenTheDude wrote:I've never heard of tipping a hotel maid. Now I have to "bribe" them to actually clean my room?? :roll:



WHAT???????????? You must not travel much........... Tipping the maid is common practice. Otherwise, you very well might get pubic hairs on your drinking glass....... :D


Or man splotches on the duvet... saw that not too long ago. Tip? Uh... no.


I have to bring my own blankies because of something like that. Sheets may get
changed, but the rest does not!! :wink:


First thing I do in a Hotel Room, is pull the bedspread and blankets off the bed onto the floor and use the
blankets from the lobby closet (special request) that are all cleaned and wrapped in plastic. I also grab plastic cups from
the free coffee bar and use those instead of the glasses by the sink. I know for a fact that maids just rinse out those glasses
and put the little fresh papers to cover the lids, like they are all cleaned.... Most times they just wipe those glasses off with the
same rag they just wiped the toilet seat with.......... NEVER NEVER NEVER drink out of the glasses next to the sink
!!!!!! :o


Great advice....except I prefer my blanket and I don't tip for this!!! :wink:
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Postby Michigan Girl » Thu Feb 19, 2009 10:32 am

Jubilee wrote:This is absolutely terrifying. I may never leave my house again. :shock:


Just take your own blanket and a can of Lysol, it'll be ok!!! :wink:
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Postby SP Fan in Oregon » Thu Feb 19, 2009 10:37 am

Jubilee wrote:This is absolutely terrifying. I may never leave my house again. :shock:



I was a biology major in college before I changed to Business and then to law.........Lysol just doesn't cut it.........
Most cleaners do not kill pathogens. The only thing that really worked in our microbiology tests of different cleaners
was CLOROX.. That kills anything.
:D
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Postby Michigan Girl » Thu Feb 19, 2009 10:41 am

SP Fan in Oregon wrote:
Jubilee wrote:This is absolutely terrifying. I may never leave my house again. :shock:



I was a biology major in college before I changed to Business and then to law.........Lysol just doesn't cut it.........
Most cleaners do not kill pathogens. The only thing that really worked in our microbiology tests of different cleaners
was CLOROX.. That kills anything.
:D


Clorox wipes and a blanket!!! :wink:
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