Against The Wall/(Better Late Than Never)-Do We Have It All?

[Red13JoePa]

Calling Loons and Heads for perry expertise.

Was perusing the solo albums this week and got wondering about the shelved Against The Wall perry solo record from '88.

If anyone can help, what is the lineup for those tracks? I'm thinking Landau played guitar on at least most as he has some cowrites.

Near as I can tell, we now have 10 tracks spread across 2 albums now including the original 7 that ran on GH when it was still called GH+5 and now 3 more on FTLOSM including an improvement over the demo on GH finished beefed up If You Need Me Call Me and the fantastic tracks Can't Stop and Friends Of Mine (like these 2 a LOT) making 10. Is that all there are or are there more out there?
To me Perry seems to hint in the FTLOSM liner notes that we have the full album now spread out across his solo work and he sarcastically retitles it Better Late Than Never.

OhSherrie, Deb, Shania, Matto, PF, Linus, Nora, HOTS (whoops, not anymore ), DonnaPlease, Canseco, Enigma, StevieF, Suzer (Whoops, see "HOTS" )I know you're all out there and can help me.

[StoneCold]

I've wondered this too. Curious if Sony'll ever let him release it on its own.

[Red13JoePa]

I've wondered this too. Curious if Sony'll ever let him release it on its own.

Who knows but I think he figures it's out there now, even if posthumously in a defacto way.

[larryfromnextdoor]

i can not believe the ladies and few dudes havent jumped on this thread yet!! red.. they may be leary..

[Rip Rokken]

Was perusing the solo albums this week and got wondering about the shelved Against The Wall perry solo record from '88.

Wow, I'd never even heard of it! I learn something new here everyday.

[larryfromnextdoor]

Was perusing the solo albums this week and got wondering about the shelved Against The Wall perry solo record from '88.

Wow, I'd never even heard of it! I learn something new here everyday.

you have most of it though.. i can see why the record label was scared of it.. its not what anyone would have suspected.. GREAT musicians,, but pretty low in the mix..

[StoneCold]

I've wondered this too. Curious if Sony'll ever let him release it on its own.

Who knows but I think he figures it's out there now, even if posthumously in a defacto way.

Good point.

Here's another "What If".

1988, Perry releases ATW and its a big hit. Would he have toured solo or would've been the impetus to get back with the boys and crank out another Journey record? That's what happened right after FTLOSM if only for the recording of TBF.

ATW was the critical turning point in both his and Journey's futures.

[Red13JoePa]

Yep and here's ANOTHER "what if."

What if in 1988 the rest of Journey, who he told one year earlier that he was "toast and just didn't want to do it anymore" got wind of the fact that he had ripped off at least 10 more brand new tracks without them?
Heads might be a scratchin'.

[StoneCold]

:shock: i can not believe the ladies and few dudes havent jumped on this thread yet!! red.. they may be leary..

LeeryFromNextDoor

What we gotta be leery of?

[StoneCold]

Yep and here's ANOTHER "what if."

What if in 1988 the rest of Journey, who he told one year earlier that he was "toast and just didn't want to do it anymore" got wind of the fact that he had ripped off at least 10 more brand new tracks without them?
Heads might be a scratchin'.

They probably heard and went all Bad English on him.

[larryfromnextdoor]

:shock: i can not believe the ladies and few dudes havent jumped on this thread yet!! red.. they may be leary..

LeeryFromNextDoor

What we gotta be leery of?

oh ,, that red started a perry thread..

[Red13JoePa]

:shock: i can not believe the ladies and few dudes havent jumped on this thread yet!! red.. they may be leary..

LeeryFromNextDoor

What we gotta be leery of?

oh ,, that red started a perry thread..

Jesus, Larry keep it quiet.
If NoMoreTails and NealIsGod find out, I'm DONE.

[*Laura]

If anyone can help, what is the lineup for those tracks? I'm thinking Landau played guitar on at least most as he has some cowrites.

Against The Wall was recorded with session musicians.Some of them were Steve's friends,some others were found in the LA area where Steve was living at the time.
Most of these musicians were the same ones who worked with Perry on Street Talk.

Being the fact that Against The Wall was put together throughout 1988-1989,I guess different session musicians were brought in whenever Perry felt like writing/recording.There are unfamiliar names like John Leo,Adrian Gurvitz,Billy Steel,etc.,however a few of them were constantly in his team.
These are the important ones.

Guitarists:
Michael Landau - LA session guitarist
Robert "Waddy" Wachtel - he's an LA session guitarist and producer (he co-wrote and co-produced Keith Richards' Main Offender among other things)

Keyboardists:
Randy Goodrum - he also co-produced Against The Wall
Bill Cuomo - he was a session keyboard player for years,co-wrote some of the songs,too

Drummers:
Craig Krampf - studio drummer (he's from Nashville)
Larrie Londin - awesome drummer (he recorded the drums on Street Talk & ROR too)

Bassists:
Bob Glaub - L.A. session bass player
Randy Jackson (the pink polka-dotted bass player,yep )




p.s. ~ I don't respond to "Shania" anylonger.

[Red13JoePa]

You're Shania for better or worse, I don't roll with the changes.

I'll bet Londin played drums on Friends Of Mine, that is a MONSTER drum track.

My man Waddy!!!!!

[StoneCold]

~ I don't respond to "Shania" anylonger.

Hey Laura, do you know if all the tracks for ATW are out now?

Thanks again for steppin up.

[*Laura]

Hey Laura, do you know if all the tracks for ATW are out now?

I don't believe they are all out.

Someone asked him about this on Fan Asylum...The answer suggests that there are some songs that were NOT put on the remasters and the GH+5.


Q: Do you think you will ever be able to release Against The Wall as a full and separate album?
SP: It's possible but for now...... the rest of the songs are sprinkled across all my solo work.

[larryfromnextdoor]

Hey Laura, do you know if all the tracks for ATW are out now?

I don't believe they are all out.

Someone asked him about this on Fan Asylum...The answer suggests that there are some songs that were NOT put on the remasters and the GH+5.


Q: Do you think you will ever be able to release Against The Wall as a full and separate album?
SP: It's possible but for now...... the rest of the songs are sprinkled across all my solo work.

so the real truth of the matter is,, we have recieved the best 7 songs off of Against the Wall already .. right? plus what ever songs were left over and used for Strange Medicine?

6. When You're In Love (For The First Time)
7. Against The Wall
8. Forever Right Or Wrong (Love's Like A River)
9. Summer Of Luv
10. Melody
11. Once In A Lifetime, Girl
12. What Was

[larryfromnextdoor]

in the John Travolta movie Phenomenon,, there was a scene getting close to the end...he was outside speaking with his girlfriends 2 children sharing an apple.. there is a song that starts playing and it sounds just like IF YOU NEED ME CALL ME ,, the intro anyway ,,

i dont have that movie ,, did anyone else remember that ??

[*Laura]

so the real truth of the matter is,, we have recieved the best 7 songs off of Against the Wall already .. right? plus what ever songs were left over and used for Strange Medicine?

6. When You're In Love (For The First Time)
7. Against The Wall
8. Forever Right Or Wrong (Love's Like A River)
9. Summer Of Luv
10. Melody
11. Once In A Lifetime, Girl
12. What Was

Yeah,basically there are 9 songs out,7 on GH+5 and 2 more on the FTLOSM remaster.That's far from being a full album.I'm guessing at least 4 or 5 more are hidden in the vaults.

the fantastic tracks Can't Stop and Friends Of Mine

Can't Stop is the coolest. Not only because of the different vocal style approach,but it has an obvious Van Halen-ish sound! (Finish What Ya Started )

[Deb]

the fantastic tracks Can't Stop and Friends Of Mine

Can't Stop is the coolest. Not only because of the different vocal style approach,but it has an obvious Van Halen-ish sound! (Finish What Ya Started )

Thank you Laura! You just put into type something that I've wondered about. Can't Stop reminded me of something and couldn't put my finger on it and that is exactly it! Love both those tunes.

[Blueskies]

in the John Travolta movie Phenomenon,, there was a scene getting close to the end...he was outside speaking with his girlfriends 2 children sharing an apple.. there is a song that starts playing and it sounds just like IF YOU NEED ME CALL ME ,, the intro anyway ,,

i dont have that movie ,, did anyone else remember that ??

here's the soundtrack...but I don't remember any songs here that sound like that one, but I haven't seen it in awhile and don't recall a couple of these...


Soundtracks for
Phenomenon (1996)


"Change The World"
Written by Tommy Sims, Gordon Kennedy and Wayne Kirkpatrick
Performed by Eric Clapton


"Dance With Life"
Written by Bernie Taupin and Martin Page
Performed by Bryan Ferry


"Crazy Love"
Written by Van Morrison
Performed by Aaron Neville


"Corinna"
Written by Taj Mahal and J.E. Davis
Performed by Taj Mahal


"Have A Little Faith In Me"
Written by John Hiatt
Performed by Jewel Kilcher (as Jewel)


"I Have The Touch"
Written by Peter Gabriel
Performed by Peter Gabriel


"Piece Of Clay"
Written by Pamela Sawyer and Gloria Jones
Performed by Marvin Gaye


"Para Donde Vas"
Written by Joe Cabral and Rod Hodges
Performed by The Iguanas


"Misty Blue"
Written by Bob Montgomery
Performed by Dorothy Moore


"A Thing Going On"
Written by J.J. Cale
Performed by J.J. Cale


"The Orchard"
Composed by Thomas Newman


"Everyday is a Winding Road"
Written by Sheryl Crow, Jeff Trott & Brian Macleod
Performed by Sheryl Crow


"Love Child"
Written by R.D. Taylor, E. Wilson, P. Sawyer and Dennis Lussier (as D. Lussier)
Performed by Diana Ross and The Supremes


"Come See About Me"
Written by Eddie Holland (as E. Holland), Lamont Dozier (as L. Dozier) and Brian Holland (as B. Holland)
Performed by The Supremes


"Baby Love"
Written by Eddie Holland (as E. Holland), Lamont Dozier (as L. Dozier) and Brian Holland (as B. Holland)
Performed by The Supremes


"It's All Right"
Written by Curtis Mayfield
Performed by Curtis Mayfield and The Impressions


"No Te Olvidare (I'll Never Forget You)"
Written by Roy Hodges
Performed by The Iguanas


"Touch Me in the Morning"
Written by Ronald Miller and Michael Masser
Performed by Diana Ross



...just as a thought, but.....maybe song similarities are not always done purposely....some are blatant ripoffs, of course...but some are created due to memory of whats been heard and the similaries are repeated but their source from stored thought not remembered so they are not done purposely.....
...many minds through time are bound to repeat similar thoughts and create similar things due to memory....sounds that can be related to or felt and that stay within the mind.

...great movie, by the way.....I like the part about interconnectiveness.....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nxIuMZcblYw

.. reminds me of this scene in Powder too....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XQ2Cg6koHPQ

.

[Red13JoePa]

i can see why the record label was scared of it.

Yea, to me the only real standouts are IFNMCM, Can't Stop and Friends Of Mine, though I do know When You're In Love For The First Time got some decent airplay in 98 when it came out.

[TRAGChick]

i can see why the record label was scared of it.

Yea, to me the only real standouts are IFNMCM, Can't Stop and Friends Of Mine, though I do know When You're In Love For The First Time got some decent airplay in 98 when it came out.

Really?

The only place I heard it was in a CT CVS. Seriously.

Once I realized who it was, I went RIGHT TO a Music Store after my shopping.

[larryfromnextdoor]

i can see why the record label was scared of it.

Yea, to me the only real standouts are IFNMCM, Can't Stop and Friends Of Mine, though I do know When You're In Love For The First Time got some decent airplay in 98 when it came out.

Really?

The only place I heard it was in a CT CVS. Seriously.

Once I realized who it was, I went RIGHT TO a Music Store after my shopping.

im with nora here.. i had no idea any of that stuff was played on the radio when Greatest hits + 5 came out.. it was the same way when the I Stand Alone song came out... did this song get airplay??

[larryfromnextdoor]

in the John Travolta movie Phenomenon,, there was a scene getting close to the end...he was outside speaking with his girlfriends 2 children sharing an apple.. there is a song that starts playing and it sounds just like IF YOU NEED ME CALL ME ,, the intro anyway ,,

i dont have that movie ,, did anyone else remember that ??

here's the soundtrack...but I don't remember any songs here that sound like that one, but I haven't seen it in awhile and don't recall a couple of these...


.youtube.com/watch?v=XQ2Cg6koHPQ

.

maybe im thinki9ng of another movie..

[STORY_TELLER]

im with nora here.. i had no idea any of that stuff was played on the radio when Greatest hits + 5 came out.. it was the same way when the I Stand Alone song came out... did this song get airplay??

The song got a little air play on soft rock/adult listening stations. The kind of stations that still play phil collins, etc. Nothing major though.

[annie89509]

I can see why Sony turned down the release of ATW. The songs, while satisfying to the hardcore Perry fans, would not have had mass appeal. So this was to be the follow up to Street Talk (Steve was leaning against the wall on the ST cover), but got talked back for Journey, which turned into ROR album&tour.

He may already had some songs left over from ST and recorded, but I don't believe he started putting ATW together until mid89-90. Steve has said he didn't write or sing a note for 2 yrs, and it was the cameo at the BonJovi concert (Shoreline ‘89) that spurred him back to music. There is an article on FanAsylum where Lora was interviewing SP for JourneyForce newsletter. It started with them talking about the Bay Area earthquake and belated b-day wishes for Steve, and went to discussion about his upcoming album. The time period then must be around Feb 1990. So this album was eventually nixed by the label as not being good enough for release, but Steve has alluded to "outside forces beyond my control that wanted me only for Journey."

Anyway, we know he did get another solo album (FTLOSM 1994) passed Sony for release, but I wondered if it came with a condition that it be in a "band" format and that he had to tour behind it. And how about this hypothesis: He also had to reunite with Journey!

Haha- this would lend credence to the theory put forth and started an argument here awhile back that SP sabotaged the TBF tour to get back at Sony.

Sorry, my posts tend to get long-winded, but Journey stories are fascinating.

[StoneCold]

Great point by RedJoe above. Perry's "toast" in '87 but by '88 has a new album ready to go.

Things that make you go hmmmm.

[Jana]

Yep and here's ANOTHER "what if."

What if in 1988 the rest of Journey, who he told one year earlier that he was "toast and just didn't want to do it anymore" got wind of the fact that he had ripped off at least 10 more brand new tracks without them?
Heads might be a scratchin'.

[annie89509]

I think it’s really unfair that most fans assumed Steve left Neal/Jon hanging once ROR tour ended. I found this interview article archived at Perryville, indicating that Steve did tell them in ’89 (’90?) to go on without him, that (emotionally) he’s not ready to go back to Journey. This is the time Neal & Jon formed Bad English, right?

http://www.perryville.freeservers.com/C ... rview.html

It’s been awhile since I read the article, I believe Jon also alluded to Steve wanting to do another solo album (Off the Wall?) and that they will wait for Steve.