I had no idea "Where Did I Lose Your Love" was on

[Tito]

and for some reason you seem to take gross profit on Revelation personally.

Its a valid concern, Rhiannon. Whether or not Jon Cain is going to be able to continue to afford the facial grooming implements required for proper soul-patch upkeep is something I lose sleep over on a bi-weekly basis.

Bite me.

[Don]

No one is arguing the point that Journey made decent coin off the album, right?

[Tito]

No one is arguing the point that Journey made decent coin off the album, right?

I'm not. I think the difference is what Walmart is losing/making. They sure they hell aren't losing $5 a package. Breakeven or a few cents worst case scenario.

[Rhiannon]

I didn't miss anything, I think we're saying the samething on the price of the disc.

Oh, ok. I'm not arguing it wasn't a great deal for Journey and the right way to go with the album, just to be clear. I'm agreeing with Gunbot though that Wal-Mart takes a slight loss on these exclusives they do.

[Tito]

I didn't miss anything, I think we're saying the samething on the price of the disc.

Oh, ok. I'm not arguing it wasn't a great deal for Journey and the right way to go with the album, just to be clear. I'm agreeing with Gunbot though that Wal-Mart takes a slight loss on these exclusives they do.

Slight loss and $5 a package is a big difference. I'm saying it's basically breakeven (making or losing a few cents). If they were planning on losing a little in the beginning, they probably wound up making something when it took off (i.e. the second printings).

[stevew2]

The bigger issue is, Who gives a fuck. All this was, was another attempt to knock Journey. Nevermind, every other artist has to go through the same shit but because Journey was successful, there's a problem. Again, the attempt failed. Try again.

Who are you talking to?
My whole thing was pointing out Walmart's business stratagy and why I don't think Journey will/should use them for their next release ((inventory issues after intial run, no Itunes/Amazon download access).

Shito was talkin to himself as always

I'm talking to everyone.

But making sense to no one

[stevew2]

and for some reason you seem to take gross profit on Revelation personally.

Its a valid concern, Rhiannon. Whether or not Jon Cain is going to be able to continue to afford the facial grooming implements required for proper soul-patch upkeep is something I lose sleep over on a bi-weekly basis.

Bite me.

Oh that was real smart ,what a comeback,what next "I know you are but what am I. Fuckin grow up Friga aint shit and you know it ,and shave thit shit on your upper lip you girl

[Tito]

The bigger issue is, Who gives a fuck. All this was, was another attempt to knock Journey. Nevermind, every other artist has to go through the same shit but because Journey was successful, there's a problem. Again, the attempt failed. Try again.

Who are you talking to?
My whole thing was pointing out Walmart's business stratagy and why I don't think Journey will/should use them for their next release ((inventory issues after intial run, no Itunes/Amazon download access).

Shito was talkin to himself as always

I'm talking to everyone.

But making sense to no one

I make sense to everyone but you - moron.

[Tito]

and for some reason you seem to take gross profit on Revelation personally.

Its a valid concern, Rhiannon. Whether or not Jon Cain is going to be able to continue to afford the facial grooming implements required for proper soul-patch upkeep is something I lose sleep over on a bi-weekly basis.

Bite me.

Oh that was real smart ,what a comeback,what next "I know you are but what am I. Fuckin grow up Friga aint shit and you know it ,and shave thit shit on your upper lip you girl

What about your cheesy mustache.

[stevew2]

The bigger issue is, Who gives a fuck. All this was, was another attempt to knock Journey. Nevermind, every other artist has to go through the same shit but because Journey was successful, there's a problem. Again, the attempt failed. Try again.

Who are you talking to?
My whole thing was pointing out Walmart's business stratagy and why I don't think Journey will/should use them for their next release ((inventory issues after intial run, no Itunes/Amazon download access).

Shito was talkin to himself as always

I'm talking to everyone.

But making sense to no one

I make sense to everyone but you - moron.

the hell you do homo, I took GB s advice and shaved it off when are you goin to shave that chicken shit off your crooked mug?

[jestor92]

They should've released Change For The Better as a single.

[Gideon]

They should've released Change For The Better as a single.

Seconded. One of my favorite Journey songs of all time.

[SherriBerry]

It was a three disc package, walmart loses around two dollars per disc. Theses are known as loss leaders. They know they will lose money on them but the stratagy is the buzz and extra store traffic surrounding the release will bring in people who will end up bying other stuff wich will not only cover the loss but create profit also.

Outdated and inaccurate information. To my surprise, they were losing $2 dollars a disc on major label releases 5 years ago. However, since then they put presure on the major labels to lower their price, which they did. Furthermore, we are arguing apples and oranges because we are not dealing with a major label. The label is Walmart, there is not a middle man. That eliminated a lot of expenses, which makes the product breakeven or even a small profit.

It is advertised and hyped to get you into the store and hopefully gets you to spend money on other items in the store that cost a lot more. Walmart has discussed this at length. Walmart doesn't care if it's in stock now because they already got the initial wave of fans into the store when it released. Just like they did with the Eagles and AC DC. Why would they keep pressing new ones to put in stock after the initial wave, it means nothing to them now.. They've already talked about getting out of selling music cds altogether as they don't need it. It's less than10 percent of their business.

Think about it. Lose a few bucks to make some potentially bigger bucks.

The advertising was minimal. It was nothing more than a very small part of their Sunday flyer. Secondly, it is still in stock and at least three Walmarts I've visited it is still in prevelant places and multiple locations in the CD section. I doubt that is a major traffic driver now. They have talked about getting out of the music selling business, but a major part of that is for negotiating purposes with the record labels. Music sales are roughly 2% of their business.

I saw the ads quite frequently on television, just as Wal-Mart advertised for The Eagles release, and television advertising is not cheap, particularly in prime time.

[stevew2]

They should've released Change For The Better as a single.

i agree, although it was to long for radio,they could cut it down, some ,i dont know where though, it is a great song,best tune Journey has put out since Frontiers

[Arkansas]

Wonder what the sales breakdown is between WM & Sams? Sams sold the disk for about a dollar less that WM, $10.72, I think. Basing total numbers solely on a WM price is wrong.

Also, going after current bands probably wouldn't work because they're already under contract to a label. WM can probably only go after the independents. Besides, I've read where the typical WM demographic is the 35-55 yr old with families, homes, and a wiser eye toward saving money. WM is gonna go after the bands that this demographic listened to in school. Going after today's 18 yr old wouldn't do much for them. (Of course the current recession might affect that a bit.)

And breaking even or losing money wouldn't surprise me a bit. It's the age-old tactic of competition - if your pockets are deep enough, you can force the other guy out of business. Lose a bit now...it'll pay off later.


later~

[maverick218]

It's being played on XM too.