President Barack Obama - Term 1 and 2 Thread

[The_Noble_Cause]

Funny how Fox isn't considered trustworthy except when myrmidons like yourself are able to finally fit something from them into your well-crafted, neat little box. Be careful when opening, though, those paper cuts can hurt like hell.

Don’t know what you’re talking about, I've always held Shepard Smith in the highest regard.
Perhaps the only dispassionate shoe-leather journalist on the Fox News payroll.
Sad thing is, if he were doing the same astute job on any other network he would be branded part of the oogidy-boogidy liberal media.

Together with Geraldo, they make up the two non-liars of Fox News.

Crying over something minor that wouldn't move anyone to tears is one thing but being moved to tears over something a person feels passionate about is quite another. EVERY time Beck has shed tears on television has been when discussing something he is passionate about (the country, our soldiers, his family, etc.). EVERY one. The only thing it's proof of is that unfeeling imbeciles like yourself see ANY tears shed by a man to be somehow less than masculine, which just goes to lend additional evidence to my longstanding charge that you're one of the most homophobic users on this board (Tito notwithstanding).

Dude, you're a ballwashing apologist stooge.
It doesn’t matter how sensitive the topic is, it’s the hair trigger emotional response that’s been cause for Beck’s own colleagues to page the men in the funny white coats.
What’s another word for someone not being in control of their emotions?
Oh right - unstable.
I know the Bush regime was big on “creating their own reality”, but you’d be hard pressed to convince even the emotionally attuned Oprah book crowd that crying randomly, sometimes repeatedly, over the course of 44 minutes is anything less than cracked.

I encourage everyone to watch this and laugh till you shit.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rM4xqnukQrM

[The_Noble_Cause]

Wow, why am I not surprised that Shep and Jerry Rivers are your 2 Fox Faves?

Shep the mascara wearing drama queen, and Whorealdo who gives out troop movements over the air live. What's not for you to like?

I suppose you prefer the hard hitting style of Dick "piggly wiggly" Morris, or Bill "Butt Plug" O'Reilly.
Speaking of which, you got any journalists over there that aren't into bizarro fetish fucking?

[Deacon]

Wow, why am I not surprised that Shep and Jerry Rivers are your 2 Fox Faves?

Shep the mascara wearing drama queen, and Whorealdo who gives out troop movements over the air live. What's not for you to like?

I suppose you prefer the hard hitting style of Dick "piggly wiggly" Morris, or Bill "Butt Plug" O'Reilly.
Speaking of which, you got any journalists over there that aren't into bizarro fetish fucking?

1) Dick Morris is a moron who, incidentally, doesn't work for Fox. He isn't a journalist, merely a contributor.
2) Bill O'Reilly isn't a journalist -- he is an "editorialist." He runs an opinion show, not factual, hard news such as Shepard Smith.

At least get your facts straight if you're going to insult someone.

[conversationpc]

That's because Obama and his administration are saying the same things now about the "strong fundamentals of the economy" that McCain was pilloried for back during the election season.

No he isn't. Obama stated:

"But if we are -- if we are keeping focused on all the fundamentally sound aspects of our economy, all the outstanding companies, workers, all the innovation and dynamism in this economy, then we're going to get through this. And I'm very confident about that."

McCain, on the other hand, spoke of the economy in the abstract.
He didn't come out and clarify that he was specifically speaking about the entrepreneur and average blue-collar worker until Wall Street had already nosedived.
His last minute attempt to put a Rosie the Riveter, populist face on it rang as false then, as it does when you lie about it now.
Combined with the "nation of whiners" comment by his own Treasury Secretary and his inability to keep count of his own homes, McCain came off looking as if he'd be more at home playing shuffleboard at a Boca Raton hospice.

Wrong once again...McCain clarified his remarks, mentioning the American worker specifically.

[conversationpc]

Together with Geraldo, they make up the two non-liars of Fox News.

Geraldo? The guy who calls everyone a racist when they don't agree with him on immigration?

Dude, you're a ballwashing apologist stooge.
It doesn’t matter how sensitive the topic is, it’s the hair trigger emotional response that’s been cause for Beck’s own colleagues to page the men in the funny white coats.
What’s another word for someone not being in control of their emotions?
Oh right - unstable.

So, following your logic, the millions of American men who don't cry at all or very little must also be emotionally unstable?

I know the Bush regime was big on “creating their own reality”, but you’d be hard pressed to convince even the emotionally attuned Oprah book crowd that crying randomly, sometimes repeatedly, over the course of 44 minutes is anything less than cracked.

I encourage everyone to watch this and laugh till you shit.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rM4xqnukQrM

As explained previously, it's not been random. Watching that, I see a guy who is passionate about his country, not just randomly balling about nothing in particular. He's talking about the post 9-11 mentality and how we felt back then. It's really pathetic your attempt to paint someone as "mentally ill" for heartfelt emotion.

BTW...Most normal people would say that it's wrong to make fun of people who TRULY ARE mentall ill. What does that say about you?

[The_Noble_Cause]

That's because Obama and his administration are saying the same things now about the "strong fundamentals of the economy" that McCain was pilloried for back during the election season.

No he isn't. Obama stated:

"But if we are -- if we are keeping focused on all the fundamentally sound aspects of our economy, all the outstanding companies, workers, all the innovation and dynamism in this economy, then we're going to get through this. And I'm very confident about that."

McCain, on the other hand, spoke of the economy in the abstract.
He didn't come out and clarify that he was specifically speaking about the entrepreneur and average blue-collar worker until Wall Street had already nosedived.
His last minute attempt to put a Rosie the Riveter, populist face on it rang as false then, as it does when you lie about it now.
Combined with the "nation of whiners" comment by his own Treasury Secretary and his inability to keep count of his own homes, McCain came off looking as if he'd be more at home playing shuffleboard at a Boca Raton hospice.

Wrong once again...McCain clarified his remarks, mentioning the American worker specifically.

As mentioned in the very post you're now quoting (tho apparently didn't read), McCain clarified his remarks only after Rome started to turn white hot.

[Rockindeano]

That's because Obama and his administration are saying the same things now about the "strong fundamentals of the economy" that McCain was pilloried for back during the election season.

No he isn't. Obama stated:

"But if we are -- if we are keeping focused on all the fundamentally sound aspects of our economy, all the outstanding companies, workers, all the innovation and dynamism in this economy, then we're going to get through this. And I'm very confident about that."

McCain, on the other hand, spoke of the economy in the abstract.
He didn't come out and clarify that he was specifically speaking about the entrepreneur and average blue-collar worker until Wall Street had already nosedived.
His last minute attempt to put a Rosie the Riveter, populist face on it rang as false then, as it does when you lie about it now.
Combined with the "nation of whiners" comment by his own Treasury Secretary and his inability to keep count of his own homes, McCain came off looking as if he'd be more at home playing shuffleboard at a Boca Raton hospice.

Wrong once again...McCain clarified his remarks, mentioning the American worker specifically.

As mentioned in the very post you're now quoting (tho apparently didn't read), McCain clarified his remarks only after Rome started to turn white hot.

No kidding. It wasn't until Gramps got back to the Washington Marriot, when a campaign director ushered him over and they wrote up a slight deviation of the words McCain had said. Happens all the time- covering your ass with some muddy verbiage.

Yes, Rome was getting hot, white hot, and the campaign had already started melting before Grandpa got back to his hotel that evening.

[The_Noble_Cause]

1) Dick Morris is a moron who, incidentally, doesn't work for Fox. He isn't a journalist, merely a contributor.

As a paid contributor whose presence can be seen across the FOX News spectrum (including appearances on both O'Reilly and Hannity) Morris is a fixture on the FOX News rogues gallery.
So yes, he does work for FOX.
As for the use of the word "journalist", you are being too technical.
In one of the earlier posts I did try to differentiate a journalist like Shep Smith from a pundit like Geraldo, but in this case "journalist" just means talking head.

2) Bill O'Reilly isn't a journalist -- he is an "editorialist." He runs an opinion show, not factual, hard news such as Shepard Smith.

While technically you are correct, Bill O'Reilly has referred to himself as a journalist on numerous occassions.
Who am I to overrule the almighty King of the loofahs?

[conversationpc]

As mentioned in the very post you're now quoting (tho apparently didn't read), McCain clarified his remarks only after Rome started to turn white hot.

I did read it but regardless of the fact that your retort was cleverly couched in language that would make any response seem less than adequate doesn't change the fact that is what he was really talking about. McCain is dumb but he's not quite THAT dumb.

[Deacon]

As a paid contributor whose presence can be seen across the FOX News spectrum (including appearances on both O'Reilly and Hannity) Morris is a fixture on the FOX News rogues gallery.
So yes, he does work for FOX.
As for the use of the word "journalist", you are being too technical.
In one of the earlier posts I did try to differentiate a journalist like Shep Smith from a pundit like Geraldo, but in this case "journalist" just means talking head.

Or maybe you're being too lax in your description of a journalist. Literally, Dick Morris is NOT a journalist. He is a pundit and a contributor.

While technically you are correct, Bill O'Reilly has referred to himself as a journalist on numerous occassions.
Who am I to overrule the almighty King of the loofahs?

The only two things I have seen Bill O'Reilly describe himself as are a) an editorialist, and b) your humble correspondent. I am open to visuals if you can provide them.

[conversationpc]

Wow, why am I not surprised that Shep and Jerry Rivers are your 2 Fox Faves?

Shep the mascara wearing drama queen, and Whorealdo who gives out troop movements over the air live. What's not for you to like?

I suppose you prefer the hard hitting style of Dick "piggly wiggly" Morris, or Bill "Butt Plug" O'Reilly.
Speaking of which, you got any journalists over there that aren't into bizarro fetish fucking?

You mean like Maddow, or others, like you, who might wish to be paid by the pound?












Sorry Dave, he had it coming with that one.

No need to apologize to me.

[conversationpc]

The only two things I have seen Bill O'Reilly describe himself as are a) an editorialist, and b) your humble correspondent. I am open to visuals if you can provide them.

I've heard him describe himself as a journalist several times and, I believe, he actually is a journalist, isn't he? He's certainly a blowhard and full of himself but that doesn't mean he isn't a journalist...Not that that term really carries any amount of respect anymore anyway.

[Gideon]

You and your gay lover gideon can team up on me and suck Pineda dry, and I can still defeat you douchebags.

[The_Noble_Cause]

I did read it but regardless of the fact that your retort was cleverly couched in language that would make any response seem less than adequate doesn't change the fact that is what he was really talking about. McCain is dumb but he's not quite THAT dumb.

Considering the MO of his campaign up until then had been to pretend the economy was doing just peachy ("nation of whiners"), I highly doubt it.

[conversationpc]

I did read it but regardless of the fact that your retort was cleverly couched in language that would make any response seem less than adequate doesn't change the fact that is what he was really talking about. McCain is dumb but he's not quite THAT dumb.

Considering the MO of his campaign up until then had been to pretend the economy was doing just peachy ("nation of whiners"), I highly doubt it.

What else COULD he have been talking about? It doesn't make sense unless he was referring to what we've already discussed.

[The_Noble_Cause]

The only two things I have seen Bill O'Reilly describe himself as are a) an editorialist, and b) your humble correspondent. I am open to visuals if you can provide them.

I've heard him describe himself as a journalist several times and, I believe, he actually is a journalist, isn't he? He's certainly a blowhard and full of himself but that doesn't mean he isn't a journalist...Not that that term really carries any amount of respect anymore anyway.

He also favors calling himself a "traditionalist."
Tho I have to wonder how foreign object assplay would strike the good folks of Peoria, Ill.
Sounds more like traditional San Francisco values to me.

[The_Noble_Cause]

What else COULD he have been talking about? It doesn't make sense unless he was referring to what we've already discussed.

Given that McCain was already on record saying he never had a strong grasp on the economy, and the fact that his treasury sec was blase about the economy's downturn, it appeared (rightly or wrongly) that he was talking about the state of the economy in general.
During an earlier primary debate, McCain employed the same line:

“I don’t believe we’re headed into a recession...I believe the fundamentals of this economy are strong and I believe they will remain strong.”

Call me crazy, but I doubt he meant the plight of the low level wage earner back then either.

[The_Noble_Cause]

You mean like Maddow, or others, like you, who might wish to be paid by the pound?












Sorry Dave, he had it coming with that one.

I don't consider Maddow a journalist.
Olbermann's show was a straight newscast at one point, but has since gone deep into advocacy journalism.
Which is ok, as long as you don't make up facts.
Maddow, unlike Hannity et al, does not lie.

[The_Noble_Cause]

Or maybe you're being too lax in your description of a journalist. Literally, Dick Morris is NOT a journalist. He is a pundit and a contributor.

When referring to a news channel at large, I'm not going to stop and add a separate paragraph to delineate the pundits from the reporters from the guests.
Get a life, dude.

The only two things I have seen Bill O'Reilly describe himself as are a) an editorialist, and b) your humble correspondent. I am open to visuals if you can provide them.

But, as Dave just pointed out, O'Reilly DOES call himself a journalist. Alot.
Like you said, "get your facts straight if you're going to insult someone."
Hypocritical scumbag.

[Gideon]

TNC, you crack me up, lol.

The only two things I have seen Bill O'Reilly describe himself as are a) an editorialist, and b) your humble correspondent. I am open to visuals if you can provide them.

He covered his ass nicely and provided two qualifiers that make it very clear he realizes he could be wrong. Selective vision, much?

[Deacon]

When referring to a news channel at large, I'm not going to stop and add a separate paragraph to delineate the pundits from the reporters from the guests.
Get a life, dude.

LOL. Then don't speak in technical or literal terms and you won't be called out on it.

But, as Dave just pointed out, O'Reilly DOES call himself a journalist. Alot.
Like you said, "get your facts straight if you're going to insult someone."
Hypocritical scumbag.

Again, LOL. I spoke in a theoretical manner. I explicitly stated that is was only what I had heard as of yet and that I was open to correction ergo I am at NO fault here.

I take particular solace in the fact that you a) attack me for it and b) you call me a hypocritical scumbag because of it. If I'm hypocritical because you can't read, then what does that make you?

[RossValoryRocks]

What else COULD he have been talking about? It doesn't make sense unless he was referring to what we've already discussed.

Given that McCain was already on record saying he never had a strong grasp on the economy, and the fact that his treasury sec was blase about the economy's downturn, it appeared (rightly or wrongly) that he was talking about the state of the economy in general.
During an earlier primary debate, McCain employed the same line:

“I don’t believe we’re headed into a recession...I believe the fundamentals of this economy are strong and I believe they will remain strong.”

Call me crazy, but I doubt he meant the plight of the low level wage earner back then either.

Yeah and during the primary EVERYONE thought that the economy was strong. We were only a few months off the RECORD high.

It is very easy to be a 20/20 Eagle Eye and say that in hindsight everything was coming apart, not so easy to do before hand.

Beyond that I think the President has done a lot of good so far, sure I DO NOT like the socalist bent, but that is to be expected. I don't think we have seen enough of the President to make a judgement yet as to whether he will be good or bad.

Hell it's barely two months in.

I was really impressed today when he said he was going to force AIG (which has taken $173 BILLION in bailout money!!!!) to get the executive bonuses back.

[The_Noble_Cause]

LOL. Then don't speak in technical or literal terms and you won't be called out on it.

The thrust of the sentence was that both Morris and O'Reilly (and god knows who else) have freak flags as tall as the Chrysler building.
The thin and increasingly invisible line between Morris being an opinion guy, or the modern day embodiment of Walter Winchell is worthless.
Nobody gives a fuck.

[The_Noble_Cause]

What else COULD he have been talking about? It doesn't make sense unless he was referring to what we've already discussed.

Given that McCain was already on record saying he never had a strong grasp on the economy, and the fact that his treasury sec was blase about the economy's downturn, it appeared (rightly or wrongly) that he was talking about the state of the economy in general.
During an earlier primary debate, McCain employed the same line:

“I don’t believe we’re headed into a recession...I believe the fundamentals of this economy are strong and I believe they will remain strong.”

Call me crazy, but I doubt he meant the plight of the low level wage earner back then either.

Yeah and during the primary EVERYONE thought that the economy was strong. We were only a few months off the RECORD high.

It is very easy to be a 20/20 Eagle Eye and say that in hindsight everything was coming apart, not so easy to do before hand.

Beyond that I think the President has done a lot of good so far, sure I DO NOT the socalist bent, but that is to be expected. I don't think we have seen enough of the President to make a judgement yet as to whether he will be good or bad.

Hell it's barely two months in.

I was really impressed today when he said he was going to force AIG (which has taken $173 BILLION in bailout money!!!!) to get the executive bonuses back.

Good on ya Stu.
You are a great American.

[Deacon]

The thrust of the sentence was that both Morris and O'Reilly (and god knows who else) have freak flags as tall as the Chrysler building.
The thin and increasingly invisible line between Morris being an opinion guy, or the modern day embodiment of Walter Winchell is worthless.
Nobody gives a fuck.

If it is an irrelevant statement, then why did you add it?

[The_Noble_Cause]

If it is an irrelevant statement, then why did you add it?

Christ, you are annoying.
I merely asked if Fox had any journalists not into kinky sex.
The term "journalist" was meant to cover anyone taking Murdoch's blood money.
Again, pop a qualude, revisit your favorite John Holmes classic, and chill.

[Deacon]

If it is an irrelevant statement, then why did you add it?

Christ, you are annoying.
I merely asked if Fox had any journalists not into kinky sex.
The term "journalist" was meant to cover anyone taking Murdoch's blood money.
Again, pop a qualude, revisit your favorite John Holmes classic, and chill.

Jesus has nothing to do with this conversation; in fact, he would probably be ashamed of the numerous, atrocious comments directed towards me. Nevertheless, if that is your definition for anyone under the Fox News banner, then I pity you because you are not only misguided, you are factually incorrect.

As for being chilled, I can surely tell you that the sweet melodies of "When You Love a Woman" has taken care of that long before you began spewing your belligerence.

[conversationpc]

What else COULD he have been talking about? It doesn't make sense unless he was referring to what we've already discussed.

Given that McCain was already on record saying he never had a strong grasp on the economy, and the fact that his treasury sec was blase about the economy's downturn, it appeared (rightly or wrongly) that he was talking about the state of the economy in general.
During an earlier primary debate, McCain employed the same line:

“I don’t believe we’re headed into a recession...I believe the fundamentals of this economy are strong and I believe they will remain strong.”

Call me crazy, but I doubt he meant the plight of the low level wage earner back then either.

I stand corrected.

[conversationpc]

Beyond that I think the President has done a lot of good so far, sure I DO NOT like the socalist bent, but that is to be expected. I don't think we have seen enough of the President to make a judgement yet as to whether he will be good or bad.

Hell it's barely two months in.

Begrudgingly, I have to agree. I'm not comfortable in his direction but I am still giving him the benefit of the doubt.

I was really impressed today when he said he was going to force AIG (which has taken $173 BILLION in bailout money!!!!) to get the executive bonuses back.

If it were possible and not against the law, I'd even like to see them go Old Testament and make the thieves pay back up to seven times the amount.

[RossValoryRocks]

I was really impressed today when he said he was going to force AIG (which has taken $173 BILLION in bailout money!!!!) to get the executive bonuses back.

He tanked the market with that response...what it is with you fence straddlers? Contracts mean nothing now? Words are no good?

Gonna get a splinter in your balls on the fence.

Pick a side. The grass in your mirror may be greener than it appears.

I am FAR from a fence straddler. I call things as I see them, based on many things, but definately not on some party identity. Go back and look at the epic confrontations TNC, Deano 7Wishes and I had over the years.

He didn't tank the market numbnuts...it was a minor correction, that happens when you get big run ups after a down period.

AIG giving out $165 million to executives when they came begging to the feds because they lost so much money is criminal. It is also fiscally irresponsible for the government to just let it go. Obama did the right thing in this case.

I don't get people who just hang on one side or the other because of some misguided sense of that is where they belong. Right is right, and wrong is wrong, it doesn't matter what political persuasion you are.

So far Obama has done more right than wrong

Yes he has hurt the market with some of his rhetoric, but in this case it was justified.