Arrival or Revelation

[Gideon]

Yeah, it is for a lot of people. I think Perry sounded good on it, but I think he was in a transitional stage going from superfuckingtenor to regularfuckingtenor to lowbutstillfuckingamazingtenor, and there were times he sounded extremely theatrical and whiney. Was it bad? No, it was pretty great, but it's the sort of shit that, when taken to extremes, produces shit singers like Axl Rose. I don't know. There was just something missing that I didn't sense until his work from '83 - '94.

[Voyager]

HOLY SHIT - we're actually talking about Journey Music!!

Yeah... news on the octuplets is slow today.

[Blueskies]

Arrival

[slucero]

Evolushun.

[Red13JoePa]

Revelation D1's tighter than Arrival.

[Rick]

Revelation D1's tighter than Arrival.

You took heat in the "Ficticious Threads by real MR members..." thread.

Attack my good man, attack.

[separate_wayz]

Hmm...tough call.
'Revelation' is more consistent.
'Arrival' is an album of peaks and valleys, but it's high points really soar.
'Arrival' also shows a band unafraid of forging ahead, whereas 'Revelation' seems to have been carefully calculated to sound like the past.
For example, can you imagine the contemplative 'Livin to Do' on there? - I can't.

I'll go with 'Revelation' just because I can't find a bad track on it, but 'Arrival' is stronger in many respects.
Not the least of which is a vocalist devoid of diction problems.

Took the words out of my mouth. I completely agree.

Much has been said of the rockers vs. the ballads on Arrival. But I think the real battle on Arrival, it seems, was between "classic Journey" and "contemporary Journey". Arrival attempted to balance the two -- respect to the past, while looking to the future -- and gave us some songs completely beyond the classic Journey sound: All The Things, Live and Breathe, Kiss Me Softly.

The comments on here are curious. I wonder if Arrival has gained some respect since Revelations ......

[StoneCold]

Good comments for each disc but Revs takes if for me. Not 'cause of Pineda either.

When I think of Journey tunes I can remember just about all of 'em 'cept Arrival. Why? 'cause its bloated. Can't remember what World Gone Wild sounds like, same for We'll Meet Again although WMA is a good tune.

Should've shorn off 5 tracks and moved them onto Red13 or saved for Gens.

Revs is more in the tradition of a regular Journey album. Complete save the one flaw of having FITH repeated on D1.

[Vladan]

Revelation

[maverick218]

Tough call- when Arrival came out, it was the only thing that I listened to for about a month (probably since it had been so long without new material). Revelation is great, but there are a few songs that I don't like that much. Probably have to give a very slight edge to Arrival.

[xflajrnylvr]

Arrival Hands Down ONly 2 songs from Revelation i like

[Gin and Tonic Sky]

Hmm...tough call.
'Revelation' is more consistent.
'Arrival' is an album of peaks and valleys, but it's high points really soar.
'Arrival' also shows a band unafraid of forging ahead, whereas 'Revelation' seems to have been carefully calculated to sound like the past.
For example, can you imagine the contemplative 'Livin to Do' on there? - I can't.

I'll go with 'Revelation' just because I can't find a bad track on it, but 'Arrival' is stronger in many respects.
Not the least of which is a vocalist devoid of diction problems.

I think this post hits the nail on the head 100%. I agree completely.

[marco17]

I can listen to Arrival all the time. Something about Revelation... after once of twice through I skip to the tracks I like.

[alesson]

Arrival by a nose...Revelation got the spunk but in opinion lose the steam at the homestretch...

[Jana]

Even though I liked Arrival and a couple of my favorite songs are on it, I assumed I would be choosing Revelation strictly on Arnel's voice alone. But now I don't know. It depends on my mood. I really like Revelation and love many songs on it and absolutely love Arnel's voice. Where Steve Augeri's voice doesn't knock me out like Perry's or Arnel's, he makes up for it in other ways. I played this album today several times and I absolutely love it. I haven't played it in its entirety for a while really paying attention to every song and not distracted. Melodically Arrival has so many songs I connect with emotionally and it flows nicely song to song. They could have cut out about two songs. I love the contemplative tone of the songs about life and love and actually in some ways the serenity of the album, if that makes any sense, not huge vocals.

[stevew2]

Even though I liked Arrival and a couple of my favorite songs are on it, I assumed I would be choosing Revelation strictly on Arnel's voice alone. But now I don't know. It depends on my mood. I really like Revelation and love many songs on it and absolutely love Arnel's voice. Where Steve Augeri's voice doesn't knock me out like Perry's or Arnel's, he makes up for it in other ways. I played this album today several times and I absolutely love it. I haven't played it in its entirety for a while really paying attention to every song and not distracted. Melodically Arrival has so many songs I connect with emotionally and it flows nicely song to song. They could have cut out about two songs. I love the contemplative tone of the songs about life and love and actually in some ways the serenity of the album, if that makes any sense, not huge vocals.

It wasnt thrown together,like Rev.which was where they added tunes from old projects

[Jana]

Even though I liked Arrival and a couple of my favorite songs are on it, I assumed I would be choosing Revelation strictly on Arnel's voice alone. But now I don't know. It depends on my mood. I really like Revelation and love many songs on it and absolutely love Arnel's voice. Where Steve Augeri's voice doesn't knock me out like Perry's or Arnel's, he makes up for it in other ways. I played this album today several times and I absolutely love it. I haven't played it in its entirety for a while really paying attention to every song and not distracted. Melodically Arrival has so many songs I connect with emotionally and it flows nicely song to song. They could have cut out about two songs. I love the contemplative tone of the songs about life and love and actually in some ways the serenity of the album, if that makes any sense, not huge vocals.

It wasnt thrown together,like Rev.which was where they added tunes from old projects

I really like Revelation. There's only about one song I skip on it.

[stevew2]

Even though I liked Arrival and a couple of my favorite songs are on it, I assumed I would be choosing Revelation strictly on Arnel's voice alone. But now I don't know. It depends on my mood. I really like Revelation and love many songs on it and absolutely love Arnel's voice. Where Steve Augeri's voice doesn't knock me out like Perry's or Arnel's, he makes up for it in other ways. I played this album today several times and I absolutely love it. I haven't played it in its entirety for a while really paying attention to every song and not distracted. Melodically Arrival has so many songs I connect with emotionally and it flows nicely song to song. They could have cut out about two songs. I love the contemplative tone of the songs about life and love and actually in some ways the serenity of the album, if that makes any sense, not huge vocals.

It wasnt thrown together,like Rev.which was where they added tunes from old projects

I really like Revelation. There's only about one song I skip on it.[/quoteSunshawa or faith in the heartland again...........

[Deacon]

I personally liked "Revelations" better.

I thought that it had a better ratio of rock to ballad songs, and I especially enjoyed Arnel's vocal rendition of some of the classics such as "BGTY."

[Jana]

Even though I liked Arrival and a couple of my favorite songs are on it, I assumed I would be choosing Revelation strictly on Arnel's voice alone. But now I don't know. It depends on my mood. I really like Revelation and love many songs on it and absolutely love Arnel's voice. Where Steve Augeri's voice doesn't knock me out like Perry's or Arnel's, he makes up for it in other ways. I played this album today several times and I absolutely love it. I haven't played it in its entirety for a while really paying attention to every song and not distracted. Melodically Arrival has so many songs I connect with emotionally and it flows nicely song to song. They could have cut out about two songs. I love the contemplative tone of the songs about life and love and actually in some ways the serenity of the album, if that makes any sense, not huge vocals.

It wasnt thrown together,like Rev.which was where they added tunes from old projects

I really like Revelation. There's only about one song I skip on it.[/quoteSunshawa or faith in the heartland again...........

I never ever skip Like a Sunshower. I love that song and Arnel's tone on it.

[sniper16]

first off i really liked revelation
although it sounds like they tried to recreate past songs
but if you took the us and jap releases of arrival combined all the songs and
cut out the 5 filler mellow tunes arrival would have been great.
to be alive again is a pure journey masterpiece

[The_Noble_Cause]

I personally liked "Revelations" better.

I thought that it had a better ratio of rock to ballad songs, and I especially enjoyed Arnel's vocal rendition of some of the classics such as "BGTY."

Out of fairness, I think most people are comparing original material to original material only.
If you want to stack Vegas 2001 up against the Revelation dvd that's a different matter entirely, (and one I'm willing to argue).
Just on the basis of being accent free, Augeri mops the floor with him.

[tammy]

I like Revelation better than Arrival, which I've only listened to a few times (I do like "kiss me softly" & "loved by you" 'tho)...with Revelation I can imagine SP's voice more...damn it - what could've been. (oh, and I'm referring to the orginal songs on Revelation, not the re-recorded classics, which I think I gave to the dog to chew.)

[Rockindeano]

If you want to stack Vegas 2001 up against the Revelation dvd that's a different matter entirely, (and one I'm willing to argue).

Just on the basis of being accent free, Augeri mops the floor with him.

Whoa! Am I reading this correctly?

[YoungJRNY]

Arrival for me.

Since the very first time I listened to it, it had an impact on the way I view music. Higher Place vs Never Walk Away for the opening can rival each other off the get-go, but there is something about Higher Place that I feel is a bit harder and flows more into the emotion to as to say, the weight-room. Revelation is a strong album and I pretty much like every song but CAN do without a few (What I Needed, What It Takes To Win, stand out.) Arrival gets the knock of too many ballads, but the rockers sure KICK ASS. World Gone Wild, Higher Place, To Be Alive Again (One of my favs) sometimes outshine Revelation for me because they seem to have a fresh feel that goes along with a fresh singer. Augeri's vocals were prime also at the time, and he always did have a great studio voice.

For Journey's next album, I'm curious to see the song's creativity to benefit Arnels style of singing and his strengths (since Revelation was written before he was even hired.) High expectations coming from me for the next disc (or discs?)

[The_Noble_Cause]

Whoa! Am I reading this correctly?

Yes.
I will take ducked highs and a lifetime of post-production fixups over Arnel's biscuit gravy thick ching-chong dialect any day.
As far as I'm concerned, the additional 2 discs of Revelation should never have been released.
Not necessarily opposed to the idea of re-releasing the hits...
If anything, the new guitar solos Neal whipped up for the Manilla concert demonstrates just how to make the concept work.
But Revelation's Disc 2 & 3 do not live up to Journey's name, or their usual pristine production standards.

[Rockindeano]

Fair points, but dude, seriously, Pineda is thrice the singer Augeri ever was, but that accent can kill to too I suppose.

I am a bit shocked though, as you and I both know, that Live DVD 2001 was anything but live. That in itself is a bit unfair. I was at that show, and to be fair to Augeri, they never stopped and announced that they "fucked it up" and replayed it, like they did in Vegas.

[Jana]

Interesting to compare these two CDs I listened to them quite a bit, as stated earlier. I couldn't choose. They're both great. Sometimes it's just my mood that dictates what I'm listening to.

But for right now I consider Arrival my favorite album to listen to, period, of any artist. I absolutely love it. It's a gem. Great songs lyrically and melodywise. I like Augeri's smooth vocals on it. It's an album that grabs you emotionally and just flows from song to song seamlessly. I rarely listened to Arrival straight through b/f because I compared him to Perry too much, or I only listened to my favorite songs on it or on my iPod. I missed out.

[youkeepmewaiting]

Whoa! Am I reading this correctly?

Yes.
I will take ducked highs and a lifetime of post-production fixups over Arnel's biscuit gravy thick ching-chong dialect any day.
As far as I'm concerned, the additional 2 discs of Revelation should never have been released.
Not necessarily opposed to the idea of re-releasing the hits...
If anything, the new guitar solos Neal whipped up for the Manilla concert demonstrates just how to make the concept work.
But Revelation's Disc 2 & 3 do not live up to Journey's name, or their usual pristine production standards.

You are a Grade A cock

[Deacon]

I personally liked "Revelations" better.

I thought that it had a better ratio of rock to ballad songs, and I especially enjoyed Arnel's vocal rendition of some of the classics such as "BGTY."

Out of fairness, I think most people are comparing original material to original material only.
If you want to stack Vegas 2001 up against the Revelation dvd that's a different matter entirely, (and one I'm willing to argue).
Just on the basis of being accent free, Augeri mops the floor with him.

That might be true as I haven't had the opportunity to see the Arrival DVD.