AP not to perform Journey tunes in RP without band

[Blueskies]

No one cares what you think about the band.

And everyone cares what you think about the band? Anyone cares how Red13 feels, or Andrew? Are we now at the stage here at MR, where there is no discussion allowed by a dissenting opinion? It seems you nice, positive Journey fans are all collected in a cacoon and don't want any dissenting argument to be heard....well, go fuck yourself Robbie. You too steve.

Very true. If people can't deal with someone disagreeing with their opinion on something then why come on a message board and enter a discussion. Also ...if they can't debate their rationals to their opinions in manner to the points that are being discussed without having to resort to something like " no one cares what you think" then they shouldn't enter a discussion either. Bring an argument to the issue...if you can't then leave out comments that have nothing to do with whats being discussed and only serve to prove you can't come up with a good counter argument to points made.

Thanks for that Phyliss, but I just woke up and thought that it made no real sense to post my thoughts here. They probably just brought everyone down who does happen to be a fan and that was not my objective. While I may despise these ratfucks, I don't want to be the pisser and downer to the fans who still get off on the band and the music. I think I do bring a valid argument to the table, but some here would rather not want to hear it and I get that. I am sorry to all in this thread except steveo or whatever his fruity assed name is and that real fruit Robbie G- you are a real cocksucker. Go spin Happy to Give and ram a 12 inch phallus up your butthole and smile for hours on end, all the while peering out into the Tennessee Valley and hoping some hot Cowboy will ride up to you and sweep you away and take you for the bareback ride of your life. Oh what fun!

A dissenting opinion is almost close to not allowed here any more and that is a very dangerous thing- it's approaching that never before thought of land of Back talk. All positive all the time, no opposing view points allowed. So, yeah Robbie, I get it. Journey all the time, always great, never tainted.

It does make sense to post your opinions here...you have the same right to speak to yours as anyone else does. This is MR not communistic controlled BT. Before I joined here I had read a little of BT...then I read MR. I chose MR because you were allowed to have a dissenting opinion. Criminy..at BT they didn't even want you to mention Perry's name let alone discuss his tenure with the band. Sure...I have never cared for a lot of the vulgarness and degrading that goes on here and I have argued against it many times..but I have never said no one has the right to say what they want. Everyone has the right to but they have to expect others not to agree with them on it...and that whatever they say or do can be and sometimes should be debated.

Thats a big mis-perception of me...that I may think I'm " better" ...no, I don't think I'm better or worse then anyone else...and that I think everyone should agree with whatever I say..I don't... I just have my own opinions of things ...just like everyone does....and I don't think that anyone has to agree with mine when I state them. I only think that I have the same right to my views and that if I state what I think, then debate me on what I said...give a reasoned argument in return....if what is said in return has merit then I will consider it. If it's a good argument that makes sense then I will take it into consideration.

This is a forum for discussion so everything is up for discussion. The main topic of this board is supposed to be Journey so if you can't discuss the band here then why should it be a Journey board? This whole idea that some have that you, I or anyone else who disagrees with them should just go away or keep our mouths shut and not say anything is a load of crap. Sorry folks but everyone doesn't and shouldn't have to agree on everything you say and do. As I said...if someone can't handle anyone disagreeing with them then they shouldn't post here. You are not pissing on someones parade if you state your own thoughts.

MR is not a communist country where everyone is told what they are allowed to think. If someone supports the band then fine..and if someone else has their own thoughts on it then they should discuss it....and any other topic as well. What the heck? Are we to be robots and stand in line? Think and speak for yourself...it's allowed...and others can agree or disagree. The problem here is when a think alike group gets together and tries to silence a dissenting opinion....you don't have to and should not let that happen. Speak your mind when and wherever you wish...what would this forum be without descent? BT. Well it's not BT so everyone has a place here.

[la michelona]

Gotta tell ya Red13, was at Springsteen's shows last week and a couple fans and I were talking about the landscape of rock n roll. A number of bands came up but when someone mentioned Journey, everyone laughed out loud. They aren't taken seriously by a good percentage of rock fans and certainly not by their peers.

Never have gotten any respect though.....

So true. If I mention Journey to anyone I know who love 70s and 80s rock, no matter the age, they don't own any Journey. They consider it light rock.
Think about Perry on ESPN with A.J. discussing how DSB became their song, and he says 15 guys were at the bar and Journey was requested. Then he goes on that they won't admit they listen to Journey. What's that about? Journey wasn't cool enough, I guess. But that was rude with Steve right there as part of the interview and the voice of those songs.

Jana,

Journey was never "cool" but from 1977 to 1986 they were good enough that it didn't matter. My friends always made fun of me for being a fan and I had to hide my cd's and never wore t shirts etc. After awhile, I think, their legacy started to shine through in the ways of jukeboxs across this land in bars everywhere and commercials and movies, etc. They had a concrete legacy and I for one was proud to be a fan and thought they should definitely be in the HOF based on that body of work (77-86) alone. From there on out though, IMHO, the legacy doesn't even exist any longer, and well, I don't want to be negative so I will just end this now.

This seems to vary by region. In Michigan, during that time period, Journey was the soundtrack to the high school years. Some may call it cheesy, but every graduating class in my high school chose a Journey song as their class song, even though our overall tastes would be categorized as leaning towards hard rock/heavy metal.

That's cuz the guys were too cool to vote in the election for class song ...

but you know they still thought Neal was cool

Everybody was okay with Neal, it was the chick sing those sappy ballads that did the band in.

LOL

indeed ... and the metrosexual guy on the keyboard ... (back before we had that term)

and LOL:!:

ohoh, edit time. I sure screwed the pooch on that one.

[StoneCold]

It's not the band it was in '78, '81, '83 and never will be. It wasn't with Augeri or JSS either. As to whether they shouldn't have done the re-recs, you all know it was part of the deal. Its a throwaway so I don't sweat it.

Red13 is right that they gambled by going with only one retailer. Multiply that since they went with the least respected..

Are they creatively anywhere near '83? No, of course not. I doubt their next album will be as successful as Revs but its not out of the question. With AP they got an extension, what they do with it is anybody's guess. They may tour Revs into infinity and call it a day.

But to expect them to be viable today is a major stretch. If Perry had stayed on (and toured) through late 80's, 90's and so on, maybe. Aerosmith managed to hold on for a while thanks to Tyler.

But look at REO, Foreigner and all those guys from the same era. Except for Springsteen, no one from that time is still strong.

[Rockindeano]

Just so you all don't think I only bash Journey, I am all over Bruce on one of his sites right now. He is definitely taking some right now.

[la michelona]

Just so you all don't think I only bash Journey, I am all over Bruce on one of his sites right now. He is definitely taking some right now.

I can appreciate an equal-opportunity offender.

[Ehwmatt]

Just so you all don't think I only bash Journey, I am all over Bruce on one of his sites right now. He is definitely taking some right now.

Why? What's he done?

[Vocalsmanvocals]

"I don't know where they're getting this second rate performance crap from. The Manila show was the only one they didn't tune down on so far this year. "

GB, they're not referring to the Manila concert. They're referring to one of the Manila TV performances of Arnel singing Journey songs without the band that were uploaded to YouTube and that were second rate. That's the way I took it anyway. Hence, no more Journey songs alone. They're probably grabbing that "second rate performance" from YouTube remarks. Not exactly what I would call journalism.

I think this youtube stuff is what got him in trouble in the first place. Everything he does goes straight to video. The tale of the tape will be if these Philippine TV shows still want him to perform if Journey material is not on the setlist.

How ironic. Live by the YouTube, die by the YouTube....

Touche' LOL

[madsplash]

Just so you all don't think I only bash Journey, I am all over Bruce on one of his sites right now. He is definitely taking some right now.

Hey Deano, what's your biggest beef with Bruce? I'm not a huge fan of his, but I'm always interested to hear what you're pissed off at an artist about.

[Rockindeano]

Just so you all don't think I only bash Journey, I am all over Bruce on one of his sites right now. He is definitely taking some right now.

Why? What's he done?

You live in Pennsylvania, close to NJ/NY and you have to ask?

I take it none of you slugs read the newspapers? Seems Brucey got confused as to which vagina his lil Boss was supposed to park itself in. Yeah, another red head, but um, yeah, he is in deep shit. Patti was a no show in LA last week.

Can you imagine the alimony she is going to get if this is true and she is pissed off enough? It will make Neal's alimony payments look like the tip on a Happy Meal compared to Bruce's pay out.- if this is true,.

[Ehwmatt]

Just so you all don't think I only bash Journey, I am all over Bruce on one of his sites right now. He is definitely taking some right now.

Why? What's he done?

You live in Pennsylvania, close to NJ/NY and you have to ask?

I take it none of you slugs read the newspapers? Seems Brucey got confused as to which vagina his lil Boss was supposed to park itself in. Yeah, another red head, but um, yeah, he is in deep shit. Patti was a no show in LA last week.

LOL. I'm in Northwest PA, nowhere near NY/NJ and don't frequent the entertainment news sites too often. Still surprised I didn't hear about this though.

[Ehwmatt]

Just so you all don't think I only bash Journey, I am all over Bruce on one of his sites right now. He is definitely taking some right now.

Why? What's he done?

You live in Pennsylvania, close to NJ/NY and you have to ask?

I take it none of you slugs read the newspapers? Seems Brucey got confused as to which vagina his lil Boss was supposed to park itself in. Yeah, another red head, but um, yeah, he is in deep shit. Patti was a no show in LA last week.

Can you imagine the alimony she is going to get if this is true and she is pissed off enough? It will make Neal's alimony payments look like the tip on a Happy Meal compared to Bruce's pay out.- if this is true,.

I guess this other broad won't be his lucky day huh

[Rockindeano]

Just so you all don't think I only bash Journey, I am all over Bruce on one of his sites right now. He is definitely taking some right now.

Hey Deano, what's your biggest beef with Bruce? I'm not a huge fan of his, but I'm always interested to hear what you're pissed off at an artist about.

I flat out love the guy, but I live by the code of smacking your own when they fuck up. I would go to war for Bruce and not question why. hell, I named my son after him. But damned to Hell if this is true, I will be disappointed; until he takes the stage again in LA.

[Rockindeano]

Just so you all don't think I only bash Journey, I am all over Bruce on one of his sites right now. He is definitely taking some right now.

Why? What's he done?

You live in Pennsylvania, close to NJ/NY and you have to ask?

I take it none of you slugs read the newspapers? Seems Brucey got confused as to which vagina his lil Boss was supposed to park itself in. Yeah, another red head, but um, yeah, he is in deep shit. Patti was a no show in LA last week.

LOL. I'm in Northwest PA, nowhere near NY/NJ and don't frequent the entertainment news sites too often. Still surprised I didn't hear about this though.

Just go to the NY Post, and input "Springsteen." They have a daily running chart on the poor fucker. That is a Murdoch owned paper and i am guessing he doesn't like liberal Mr. Springsteen too much.

[PowerChords]

Just so you all don't think I only bash Journey, I am all over Bruce on one of his sites right now. He is definitely taking some right now.

Why? What's he done?

You live in Pennsylvania, close to NJ/NY and you have to ask?

I take it none of you slugs read the newspapers? Seems Brucey got confused as to which vagina his lil Boss was supposed to park itself in. Yeah, another red head, but um, yeah, he is in deep shit. Patti was a no show in LA last week.

LOL. I'm in Northwest PA, nowhere near NY/NJ and don't frequent the entertainment news sites too often. Still surprised I didn't hear about this though.

Just go to the NY Post, and input "Springsteen." They have a daily running chart on the poor fucker. That is a Murdoch owned paper and i am guessing he doesn't like liberal Mr. Springsteen too much.

Who knows? Maybe the redhead is a Walton. Springsteen screws back those who screwed him. Take that Walmart!

[StoneCold]

I flat out love the guy, but I live by the code of smacking your own when they fuck up. I would go to war for Bruce and not question why. hell, I named my son after him. But damned to Hell if this is true, I will be disappointed; until he takes the stage again in LA.

Heard it on the news a few days ago and to me its not a big deal either way. He was married to Julianne Phillips when Scialfa and he took up together.

In my opinion the cretin here is the supposed other woman's husband. If there's truth to this, he could've gotten a payout and saved the kids the trouble. People fall out of love and people stray. Bruce is human and no one's perfect.

I'm sure Patti's not going anywhere.

[Rockindeano]

If a payout was the easiest and quietest way to handle this, I am sure Bruce would have wrote a 7 figure check, but; the husband is hell bent on making this a noisy affair complete with TV's, reporters, newspapers and a courtroom. Bruce has kids too, so I am sure he wanted it muffled. Again, if this is true. They both deny it, but strangely, Bruce and Patti were singing more intimate duets the last few shows before she was a no show, and during the wrestler, the camera superimposed on his wedding band for a close up to show the crowd. definitely a message being sent from Bruce. To me, that shows an admittance of guilt.

[StoneCold]

If a payout was the easiest and quietest way to handle this, I am sure Bruce would have wrote a 7 figure check, but; the husband is hell bent on making this a noisy affair complete with TV's, reporters, newspapers and a courtroom. Bruce has kids too, so I am sure he wanted it muffled. Again, if this is true. They both deny it, but strangely, Bruce and Patti were singing more intimate duets the last few shows before she was a no show, and during the wrestler, the camera superimposed on his wedding band for a close up to show the crowd. definitely a message being sent from Bruce.

To me, that shows an admittance of guilt.

Maybe so but I'm sure they'll get through it. The Clintons did. Doesn't change my love for his music at all.

[Rockindeano]

If a payout was the easiest and quietest way to handle this, I am sure Bruce would have wrote a 7 figure check, but; the husband is hell bent on making this a noisy affair complete with TV's, reporters, newspapers and a courtroom. Bruce has kids too, so I am sure he wanted it muffled. Again, if this is true. They both deny it, but strangely, Bruce and Patti were singing more intimate duets the last few shows before she was a no show, and during the wrestler, the camera superimposed on his wedding band for a close up to show the crowd. definitely a message being sent from Bruce.

To me, that shows an admittance of guilt.

Maybe so but I'm sure they'll get through it. The Clintons did. Doesn't change my love for his music at all.

Yeah me neither, and this harm does not extend to the fanbase, like lipping does.

[The Sushi Hunter]

But look at REO, Foreigner and all those guys from the same era. Except for Springsteen, no one from that time is still strong.

What did rock in is how the taste of music has changed. Take for example the grunge of the 90's. In 1978 how many people would have listened to grunge, had it been around? However, grunge was very popular in the 90's. I personally think that the only music that is selling big numbers world wide is hip-hop. I can't stand it, but that's what's happening in the music scene. The vast majority don't listen to rock anymore. The mid to late 80's was imo the end of the line for rock as we know it. Some rock bands that have been around for decades can still do music because people will actually want to go and see a band that has existed for 20, 30 years just to see it, not necessarily to listen because they love rock. I had a 20 year old in our office who was stoked to go see an old band a number of years ago. I was a bit shocked cause the kid wasn't even alive during the band's hay day. Yet the kid was all excited to go. I asked him and he said he was just interested to watch them perform together since they've been around for so long. The kid however primarily listened to hip-hop and rap. To most of the younger generation, old bands become oddities rather then makers of music the younger generation likes to hear.

That's what I've experienced anyways from talking with younger folks in the music world.

[RobbieG]

No one cares what you think about the band.

And everyone cares what you think about the band? Anyone cares how Red13 feels, or Andrew? Are we now at the stage here at MR, where there is no discussion allowed by a dissenting opinion? It seems you nice, positive Journey fans are all collected in a cacoon and don't want any dissenting argument to be heard....well, go fuck yourself Robbie. You too steve.

Typical response from Deano. Everyone else opinion does matter other then yours Dean. That all I am saying.

[brywool]

If I were Pineda, I would tell them to go fuck themselves and see who the one holding the cards would be. They wouldn't be able to ply a fucking note without him, unless they wanted to tour behind their first three stellar albums, Next, Journey and whatever the fuck the other one was called.

Now, is it any wonder why Perry left this circus act?

Gotta agree with Deano here. Arnel was TOTALLY promoting Journey doing these things, not to mention those upcoming Manilla shows. It kept Arnel in the limelight, Journey in people's minds, etc. I saw some things that Arnel did with those songs that were really good actually. I probably missed the lame ones, though, I can see that happening. BUT- for the band to kind of come down on him like that and make it public is a pretty classless move.

[brywool]

If I were Pineda, I would tell them to go fuck themselves and see who the one holding the cards would be. They wouldn't be able to ply a fucking note without him, unless they wanted to tour behind their first three stellar albums, Next, Journey and whatever the fuck the other one was called.

Now, is it any wonder why Perry left this circus act?

Gotta agree with Deano here. Arnel was TOTALLY promoting Journey doing these things, not to mention those upcoming Manilla shows. It kept Arnel in the limelight, Journey in people's minds, etc. I saw some things that Arnel did with those songs that were really good actually. I probably missed the lame ones, though, I can see that happening. BUT- for the band to kind of come down on him like that and make it public is a pretty classless move. I sort of agree that they probably should've put a limit on it or some kind of restrictions, but it should not have been made public.

[Don]

If I were Pineda, I would tell them to go fuck themselves and see who the one holding the cards would be. They wouldn't be able to ply a fucking note without him, unless they wanted to tour behind their first three stellar albums, Next, Journey and whatever the fuck the other one was called.

Now, is it any wonder why Perry left this circus act?

Gotta agree with Deano here. Arnel was TOTALLY promoting Journey doing these things, not to mention those upcoming Manilla shows. It kept Arnel in the limelight, Journey in people's minds, etc. I saw some things that Arnel did with those songs that were really good actually. I probably missed the lame ones, though, I can see that happening. BUT- for the band to kind of come down on him like that and make it public is a pretty classless move. I sort of agree that they probably should've put a limit on it or some kind of restrictions, but it should not have been made public.

There were two separate occasions where AP said he, he wasn't to sing songs with out the band. The Sharon Cuneta show where they mentioned contract stipulations, and then later in Guam during his charity shows. Yet after saying he wouldn't sing those during charity events because " those songs are reserved for Journey" he went out the next night and did it anyway. Why say one thing and do another the very next night? That's where I think overzealous fans unintentionally did him a disservice by uploading the videos of his performances to youtube.

Anyway, now it's public. I tend to believe AP does read stuff on the internet about himself and now knows how this incident has become quite a lightning rod for debate.

[Rockindeano]

Anyway, now it's public. I tend to believe AP does read stuff on the internet about himself and now knows how this incident has become quite a lightning rod for debate.

Oh for Christ's Sake, you know damned well Schon has mentioned this place to him. Hell, Schon used to laugh his ass off reading this place on the bus.

And you can hardly blame Pineda's fans. They are getting a taste of semi populism with one of their own. You can't tell them, "please no videos uploaded of this show, k?" They could care less about Journey anyways(Pinoy's). They only care about AP himself.

[lights1961]

someone else said the beginning of the end in an earlier post... yeah I can see that. And it wont be a huge loss... not sold on Arnel...and dont get me started on the remakes.
doesnt do it for me at all.



R

[Don]

Anyway, now it's public. I tend to believe AP does read stuff on the internet about himself and now knows how this incident has become quite a lightning rod for debate.

Oh for Christ's Sake, you know damned well Schon has mentioned this place to him. Hell, Schon used to laugh his ass off reading this place on the bus.

And you can hardly blame Pineda's fans. They are getting a taste of semi populism with one of their own. You can't tell them, "please no videos uploaded of this show, k?" They could care less about Journey anyways(Pinoy's). They only care about AP himself.

This place is like a whore house New Orleans. The Journey bus driving by and Neal telling Jr. "Don't look, it's pure garbage" while they're all pressed up against the window, goggling through the glass.

You're right, it''s not the fans fault. He knows he is being filmed and what ever he does will come under the microscope so it's his decision regarding what he displays for public consumption.

[Eric]

Gotta tell ya Red13, was at Springsteen's shows last week and a couple fans and I were talking about the landscape of rock n roll. A number of bands came up but when someone mentioned Journey, everyone laughed out loud. They aren't taken seriously by a good percentage of rock fans and certainly not by their peers.

Never have gotten any respect though.....

So true. If I mention Journey to anyone I know who love 70s and 80s rock, no matter the age, they don't own any Journey. They consider it light rock.
Think about Perry on ESPN with A.J. discussing how DSB became their song, and he says 15 guys were at the bar and Journey was requested. Then he goes on that they won't admit they listen to Journey. What's that about? Journey wasn't cool enough, I guess. But that was rude with Steve right there as part of the interview and the voice of those songs.

Jana,

Journey was never "cool" but from 1977 to 1986 they were good enough that it didn't matter. My friends always made fun of me for being a fan and I had to hide my cd's and never wore t shirts etc. After awhile, I think, their legacy started to shine through in the ways of jukeboxs across this land in bars everywhere and commercials and movies, etc. Their classic pop songs were standing the test of time. People were respecting that. They had a concrete legacy and I for one was proud to be a fan and thought they should definitely be in the HOF based on that body of work (77-86) alone. From there on out though, IMHO, the legacy doesn't even exist any longer, with lip syncing, half assed efforts, and rerecords, and well, and well, I don't want to be negative so I will just end this now.

BUT...their crowds are growing and its more acceptable to be a Journey fan than at any other time since I've been a fan ('88). I got a dozen e-mails about Journey being at Darien Lake in August...before I even knew. I used to be trying find someone to go with me THE DAY of the show.

[Eric]

Just so you all don't think I only bash Journey, I am all over Bruce on one of his sites right now. He is definitely taking some right now.

Why? What's he done?

You live in Pennsylvania, close to NJ/NY and you have to ask?

I take it none of you slugs read the newspapers? Seems Brucey got confused as to which vagina his lil Boss was supposed to park itself in. Yeah, another red head, but um, yeah, he is in deep shit. Patti was a no show in LA last week.

Can you imagine the alimony she is going to get if this is true and she is pissed off enough? It will make Neal's alimony payments look like the tip on a Happy Meal compared to Bruce's pay out.- if this is true,.

How about to Mel Gibson's? Half BUH-BUH-BILLION!

[mdaemon]

Anyway, now it's public. I tend to believe AP does read stuff on the internet about himself and now knows how this incident has become quite a lightning rod for debate.

Oh for Christ's Sake, you know damned well Schon has mentioned this place to him. Hell, Schon used to laugh his ass off reading this place on the bus.

And you can hardly blame Pineda's fans. They are getting a taste of semi populism with one of their own. You can't tell them, "please no videos uploaded of this show, k?" They could care less about Journey anyways(Pinoy's). They only care about AP himself.

This isn't news Deano. We all know how fragmented the Journey fan base is and each one has a preferred vocalist. In fact, the loonest of the Perry loons only want Perry singing for the band and don't care about the other band members much more the other vocalists. Why would the Pinoys be any different?

[Don]

Phil Collins has shelled out for three different ex-wives. The second one, who he dumped by fax was 28 million and the last one was 36 million. I guess Paul and Mel would consider those amounts pocket change.