Journey Press Conference - Sweden Rock + AWYWI Video

[Don]

Sounds like One More and I'll be alright without you made the setlist in Norway.

Deen is getting a lot of props too, now.

This is no longer a one vocalist band.

[fightingilliniJRNY]

Sounds like One More and I'll be alright without you made the setlist in Norway.

Deen is getting a lot of props too, now.

This is no longer a one vocalist band.

I need a bootleg or two from this European Tour.

[PowerChords]

I think that's the first time I've ever heard Arnel say "confusion" properly. He usually pronounced it "confushion." Well done. They sound great.

Agreed. His english is getting better. Unless he was trying to reference Confucius, then we are sadly back to square one.

[stevew2]

I think that's the first time I've ever heard Arnel say "confusion" properly. He usually pronounced it "confushion." Well done. They sound great.

Agreed. His english is getting better. Unless he was trying to reference Confucius, then we are sadly back to square one.

Maybe thats what happened to Carridine, how got confused and should only hung his crank

[JRNYFan]

Sounds like One More and I'll be alright without you made the setlist in Norway.

Deen is getting a lot of props too, now.

This is no longer a one vocalist band.

We gotta find "One More" on youtube. I hope somebody taped it.

[Chubby321]

Stone In Love
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2IPfCEcE ... re=related


Neal's guitar playing is so mesmerizing. I was holding my breath while watching and at awe. Brilliant !!

Enjoy.

[fredinator]

I wish Neal or one of the guys would feel comfortable enough posting here to answer questions re: the rock/heavy metal concerts they are playing this summer in Europe. One of them is called "Bang Your Head" lol. I would love to know if they are nervous about playing these; what is going to be the set list for each; stuff like that--are they going to play "Open Arms" LOL. I am REALLY looking forward to the vids that will be posted...

[marco17]

Coinciding with the band's return to its "legacy sound", looks like Ross has re-grown his cookieduster 'stache.

Rather than bob and weave and all-around spin like a dervish, Neal's new tact when it comes to the dismissals of Augeri and Jeff is to simply say: "shit happens."
A subtle tip of the hat in acknowledgment of the fuck-ups of the past 8 years.
Beats blaming your internal conflicts on “drunk fans”, I guess.

Neal and the band risks giving hostage to fortune labeling Arnel as “the missing ingredient since Perry”.
That’s a tall order, and one that’s been leveled twice already.
I guess only the new album will tell for sure.

Video clips sound good.

There has never been any bob and weave when it came to the reason SA is no longer in the band. He got sick, could not sing and everyone knows this. Frankly, I like JSS, but he was not a great fit for Journey. While I don't agree with the way his termination went down, I do agree that it was the right decision. And, it seems that Journey was already courting Arnel when JSS got let go, but had not been hired yet. That makes me think that Neal pretty much had it figured out that he was getting Arnel or would enlist Jeremey for the job. Arnel is the best thing since SP...I totally agree, but don't believe me. It's written all over the fans when they play a gig. Arnel has great command of the audiance and superb stage presence.

There was bobbing and weaving re Steve Augeri's alleged lip-synching during tour b/f it was reported and all of a sudden he left the tour b/c of vocal problems.

I've always been an Augeri supporter, but I didn't think they were dissing him. Sweden Rock was where everything started to blow up for them with the recorded vocals/Lipping thing, so I am sure they were trying to be tactful. John basically said, he was was sick, had vocal issues, which he did, and just couldn't sing to that level anymore. Maybe Steve can now, he sounded good when I saw him a couple weeks back, but he certainly isn't singing the dirty dozen 4-5 nights a week, so there is no way to know if he could hold up now after healing. They did dismiss Jeff, but that has been consistent since day one. Also, everyone has their favorite Journey singer, but they are going to kiss Arnel's ass and make it sound like he's the best thing since sliced bread because he is the current flavor of the month, and you wouldn't/shouldn't expect them to be any different. Neal's "Shit happens" comment...is typical Neal, trying to be funny, but coming across like "oh well."

Damn, at least the media there asked them some "decent" questions. I was listenting to the Europe press conference, and it was a joke. I don't think I've ever heard so many stupid questions in my life. I feel for the band having to sit through that 20 minute BS session. It was painful to listen to.

[stevew2]

Coinciding with the band's return to its "legacy sound", looks like Ross has re-grown his cookieduster 'stache.

Rather than bob and weave and all-around spin like a dervish, Neal's new tact when it comes to the dismissals of Augeri and Jeff is to simply say: "shit happens."
A subtle tip of the hat in acknowledgment of the fuck-ups of the past 8 years.
Beats blaming your internal conflicts on “drunk fans”, I guess.

Neal and the band risks giving hostage to fortune labeling Arnel as “the missing ingredient since Perry”.
That’s a tall order, and one that’s been leveled twice already.
I guess only the new album will tell for sure.

Video clips sound good.

There has never been any bob and weave when it came to the reason SA is no longer in the band. He got sick, could not sing and everyone knows this. Frankly, I like JSS, but he was not a great fit for Journey. While I don't agree with the way his termination went down, I do agree that it was the right decision. And, it seems that Journey was already courting Arnel when JSS got let go, but had not been hired yet. That makes me think that Neal pretty much had it figured out that he was getting Arnel or would enlist Jeremey for the job. Arnel is the best thing since SP...I totally agree, but don't believe me. It's written all over the fans when they play a gig. Arnel has great command of the audiance and superb stage presence.

There was bobbing and weaving re Steve Augeri's alleged lip-synching during tour b/f it was reported and all of a sudden he left the tour b/c of vocal problems.

I've always been an Augeri supporter, but I didn't think they were dissing him. Sweden Rock was where everything started to blow up for them with the recorded vocals/Lipping thing, so I am sure they were trying to be tactful. John basically said, he was was sick, had vocal issues, which he did, and just couldn't sing to that level anymore. Maybe Steve can now, he sounded good when I saw him a couple weeks back, but he certainly isn't singing the dirty dozen 4-5 nights a week, so there is no way to know if he could hold up now after healing. They did dismiss Jeff, but that has been consistent since day one. Also, everyone has their favorite Journey singer, but they are going to kiss Arnel's ass and make it sound like he's the best thing since sliced bread because he is the current flavor of the month, and you wouldn't/shouldn't expect them to be any different. Neal's "Shit happens" comment...is typical Neal, trying to be funny, but coming across like "oh well."

Damn, at least the media there asked them some "decent" questions. I was listenting to the Europe press conference, and it was a joke. I don't think I've ever heard so many stupid questions in my life. I feel for the band having to sit through that 20 minute BS session. It was painful to listen to.

Neal is a dick,great guitar player thats all. The only thing i liked about the interveiw was that hot blond chick that kept bending over in front of the camera

[Gideon]

I really don't see what, in that interview, made Jon and Neal seem like dicks.

[stevew2]

I really don't see what, in that interview, made Jon and Neal seem like dicks.

It s half truths

[Don]

In all fairnes if they did come out and say they lipped, would they be on the hook for refunds? That's probably quite a bit of change that would have to go out, courtesy of Azoff Music. Honesty may have a hefty pricetag.

[stevew2]

In all fairnes if they did come out and say they lipped, would they be on the hook for refunds? That's probably quite a bit of change that would have to go out, courtesy of Azoff Music. Honesty may have a hefty pricetag.

No comment would be honest, but they denied it all along, so it wouldnt make sense to start being honest now.The comment about jeff wasnt nessisary espeically the way they dumped him

[Gideon]

In all fairnes if they did come out and say they lipped, would they be on the hook for refunds? That's probably quite a bit of change that would have to go out, courtesy of Azoff Music. Honesty may have a hefty pricetag.

No comment would be honest, but they denied it all along, so it wouldnt make sense to start being honest now.The comment about jeff wasnt nessisary espeically the way they dumped him

You mean the "shit happens" comment?

[stevew2]

In all fairnes if they did come out and say they lipped, would they be on the hook for refunds? That's probably quite a bit of change that would have to go out, courtesy of Azoff Music. Honesty may have a hefty pricetag.

No comment would be honest, but they denied it all along, so it wouldnt make sense to start being honest now.The comment about jeff wasnt nessisary espeically the way they dumped him

You mean the "shit happens" comment?

That and the personallity conflicts

[Gideon]

In all fairnes if they did come out and say they lipped, would they be on the hook for refunds? That's probably quite a bit of change that would have to go out, courtesy of Azoff Music. Honesty may have a hefty pricetag.

No comment would be honest, but they denied it all along, so it wouldnt make sense to start being honest now.The comment about jeff wasnt nessisary espeically the way they dumped him

You mean the "shit happens" comment?

That and the personallity conflicts

That may have been the case [personality conflicts]. He didn't try to pin it on Jeff, though, which was nice.

[portland]

In all fairnes if they did come out and say they lipped, would they be on the hook for refunds? That's probably quite a bit of change that would have to go out, courtesy of Azoff Music. Honesty may have a hefty pricetag.

No comment would be honest, but they denied it all along, so it wouldnt make sense to start being honest now.The comment about jeff wasnt nessisary espeically the way they dumped him

You mean the "shit happens" comment?

That and the personallity conflicts

Leave it to Neal - he always knows just what to say.............like were done so fuck him!! that ones my favorite!

[Gideon]

In all fairnes if they did come out and say they lipped, would they be on the hook for refunds? That's probably quite a bit of change that would have to go out, courtesy of Azoff Music. Honesty may have a hefty pricetag.

No comment would be honest, but they denied it all along, so it wouldnt make sense to start being honest now.The comment about jeff wasnt nessisary espeically the way they dumped him

You mean the "shit happens" comment?

That and the personallity conflicts

Leave it to Neal - he always knows just what to say.............like were done so fuck him!! that ones my favorite!

Not eloquent, but that particular statement captures the essence of the situation beautifully. If Neal is to be believed, he's tried over the years to patch things up with Perry and has gone on record wanting to hear his voice again. If anything, Neal can not only be as charitable as Perry, but he's actively taken steps to rekindle the relationship, to no avail.

It's Perry's fault, so it's not Neal's job to extend the olive branch.

[portland]

In all fairnes if they did come out and say they lipped, would they be on the hook for refunds? That's probably quite a bit of change that would have to go out, courtesy of Azoff Music. Honesty may have a hefty pricetag.

No comment would be honest, but they denied it all along, so it wouldnt make sense to start being honest now.The comment about jeff wasnt nessisary espeically the way they dumped him

You mean the "shit happens" comment?

That and the personallity conflicts

Leave it to Neal - he always knows just what to say.............like were done so fuck him!! that ones my favorite!

Not eloquent, but that particular statement captures the essence of the situation beautifully. If Neal is to be believed, he's tried over the years to patch things up with Perry and has gone on record wanting to hear his voice again. If anything, Neal can not only be as charitable as Perry, but he's actively taken steps to rekindle the relationship, to no avail.

It's Perry's fault, so it's not Neal's job to extend the olive branch.

I just don't think that comment is or was necessary....at least Perry keeps it to himself...

[Gideon]

I just don't think that comment is or was necessary....at least Perry keeps it to himself...

Well, take my $0.02 for what they're worth, but personally? I find that it's in Perry's best interest to keep his comments to himself. You'll notice, ever since Behind the Music came out, little gems like "lul i never felt like i was part of teh band" are no longer in circulation; he fucked up, plain and simple. The truth is Neal's very much right, to some extent. Perry fractured the band long before TBF came along. Neal has the facts on his side and while Perry is enough to cloud objectivity in a large percentage of middle aged women around the planet, it's not enough for him to bank on winning a PR battle with Neal.

He keeps it to himself because when he opens his mouth and says things like the aforementioned "never felt like I was part of the band" comment -- he becomes a cosmic laughing stock to everyone in the know. Lest we forget, Behind the Music, which devoted a great deal of time to Perry's side and perspective, finished with a montage of a series of humiliating rebuttals to that particular comment: Herbie, Neal, Jon, Ross, and even Smith -- the guy who supposedly left the band because Perry was gone -- all thought it was the dumbest fucking words ever uttered.

And I don't exclude the notion that Perry might simply have mellowed and no longer feels the need to say such things. But realistically? It's in his best interest to keep his mouth shut.

[Don]

I just don't think that comment is or was necessary....at least Perry keeps it to himself...

Well, take my $0.02 for what they're worth, but personally? I find that it's in Perry's best interest to keep his comments to himself. You'll notice, ever since Behind the Music came out, little gems like "lul i never felt like i was part of teh band" are no longer in circulation; he fucked up, plain and simple. The truth is Neal's very much right, to some extent. Perry fractured the band long before TBF came along. Neal has the facts on his side and while Perry is enough to cloud objectivity in a large percentage of middle aged women around the planet, it's not enough for him to bank on winning a PR battle with Neal.

He keeps it to himself because when he opens his mouth and says things like the aforementioned "never felt like I was part of the band" comment -- he becomes a cosmic laughing stock to everyone in the know. Lest we forget, Behind the Music, which devoted a great deal of time to Perry's side and perspective, finished with a montage of a series of humiliating rebuttals to that particular comment: Herbie, Neal, Jon, Ross, and even Smith -- the guy who supposedly left the band because Perry was gone -- all thought it was the dumbest fucking words ever uttered.

And I don't exclude the notion that Perry might simply have mellowed and no longer feels the need to say such things. But realistically? It's in his best interest to keep his mouth shut.

I agree with this. As for Neal's comments, I think people love interviewing him because it's easy to push his buttons and he can be manipulated to say shit he wouldn't otherwise. Once it comes out, Neal isn't the type to take it back, which I can admire in a way.
He's like a permanent drunk, get him going and the truth will come out whether it wants to or not.

[Gideon]

I agree with this. As for Neal's comments, I think people love interviewing him because it's easy to push his buttons and he can be manipulated to say shit he wouldn't otherwise. Once it comes out, Neal isn't the type to take it back, which I can admire in a way.
He's like a permanent drunk, get him going and the truth will come out whether it wants to or not.

I don't think that's the case. In interviews, Neal has been blunt and candid. I don't think interviewers "push his buttons." The situation with Perry is different from the situation with Jeff; Neal is completely in the right about what happened with Perry, which is why he volunteers such information without manipulation.

[portland]

I just don't think that comment is or was necessary....at least Perry keeps it to himself...

Well, take my $0.02 for what they're worth, but personally? I find that it's in Perry's best interest to keep his comments to himself. You'll notice, ever since Behind the Music came out, little gems like "lul i never felt like i was part of teh band" are no longer in circulation; he fucked up, plain and simple. The truth is Neal's very much right, to some extent. Perry fractured the band long before TBF came along. Neal has the facts on his side and while Perry is enough to cloud objectivity in a large percentage of middle aged women around the planet, it's not enough for him to bank on winning a PR battle with Neal.

He keeps it to himself because when he opens his mouth and says things like the aforementioned "never felt like I was part of the band" comment -- he becomes a cosmic laughing stock to everyone in the know. Lest we forget, Behind the Music, which devoted a great deal of time to Perry's side and perspective, finished with a montage of a series of humiliating rebuttals to that particular comment: Herbie, Neal, Jon, Ross, and even Smith -- the guy who supposedly left the band because Perry was gone -- all thought it was the dumbest fucking words ever uttered.

And I don't exclude the notion that Perry might simply have mellowed and no longer feels the need to say such things. But realistically? It's in his best interest to keep his mouth shut.

Hey I think that was a comment that was not necessary either...but and by the way I have not reached middle age as of yet, but have lived enough to know what to say when....and what not to say...and the montage at the end was at best meant to stir things up...and if you can't see that then maybe you need a few more years under your belt!

[Gideon]

Hey I think that was a comment that was not necessary either...

You're damn right it wasn't.

but and by the way I have not reached middle age as of yet,

That wasn't a reference to you specifically.

but have lived enough to know what to say when....and what not to say...

I'd say candid testimony is always valid.

and the montage at the end was at best meant to stir things up...and if you can't see that

What's your point? Does that somehow mean that Ross, Jon, Neal, and Smith's apparent disbelief, outrage, and skepticism at Perry's crowning moment of retardation isn't valid? No. For all of his talent, Perry's career with Journey has shown him to be a notorious egomaniac with a sense of revisionist history that is unparalleled. He usurped creative control over the band and began to dominate it. And then he has the gall to pop off "I never really felt like I was part of the band"? Neal's response was telling, and it pierced the heart of Perry's lapse into stupidity: "How can you not feel a part of something of what which you are almost completely controlling?"

Ross and Steve Smith, who were cordial and fair to Perry even though he shitcanned them for ROR -- Smith himself apparently left the band after Perry was ousted (suggesting some measure of loyalty and deep appreciation) -- even thought the comment was bullshit.

Perry kicked his own ass that day and that, my friend, is likely why he keeps his mouth shut now.

then maybe you need a few more years under your belt!

Yes, thank you for that nugget of ageism. Because old people are always smarter than young ones.

[Deb]

I just don't think that comment is or was necessary....at least Perry keeps it to himself...

Well, take my $0.02 for what they're worth, but personally? I find that it's in Perry's best interest to keep his comments to himself. You'll notice, ever since Behind the Music came out, little gems like "lul i never felt like i was part of teh band" are no longer in circulation; he fucked up, plain and simple. The truth is Neal's very much right, to some extent. Perry fractured the band long before TBF came along. Neal has the facts on his side and while Perry is enough to cloud objectivity in a large percentage of middle aged women around the planet, it's not enough for him to bank on winning a PR battle with Neal.

That one sentence was also taken out of context. Lora has mentioned that too. And pretty sure Lora, who was part of the show, would know a little more about it than us grunts dissecting it. And also read Perry say in an interview that it was part of what he was saying. It was part of him talking about when he first joined the band and how they were such a tight brotherhood to crack in to.

[Gideon]

I just don't think that comment is or was necessary....at least Perry keeps it to himself...

Well, take my $0.02 for what they're worth, but personally? I find that it's in Perry's best interest to keep his comments to himself. You'll notice, ever since Behind the Music came out, little gems like "lul i never felt like i was part of teh band" are no longer in circulation; he fucked up, plain and simple. The truth is Neal's very much right, to some extent. Perry fractured the band long before TBF came along. Neal has the facts on his side and while Perry is enough to cloud objectivity in a large percentage of middle aged women around the planet, it's not enough for him to bank on winning a PR battle with Neal.

That one sentence was also taken out of context. Lora has mentioned that too. And also read Perry say in an interview that it was part of what he was saying. It was part of him talking about when he first joined the band and how they were such a tight brotherhood to crack in to.

I read the subsequent interview. GQ, right? He said that he never felt like he was part of the band, that he felt the need to prove himself to Neal and Gregg and Jon and Herbie and Jesus and so on.

I can understand the initial reservations. After all, Neal and Gregg didn't want a lead singer. Perry was forced upon them. But the fact that he would later assume control in a manner that conjures images of the Emperor in Star Wars would suggest that those feelings died.

But, of course, he didn't say that.

[steveo777]

I just don't think that comment is or was necessary....at least Perry keeps it to himself...

Well, take my $0.02 for what they're worth, but personally? I find that it's in Perry's best interest to keep his comments to himself. You'll notice, ever since Behind the Music came out, little gems like "lul i never felt like i was part of teh band" are no longer in circulation; he fucked up, plain and simple. The truth is Neal's very much right, to some extent. Perry fractured the band long before TBF came along. Neal has the facts on his side and while Perry is enough to cloud objectivity in a large percentage of middle aged women around the planet, it's not enough for him to bank on winning a PR battle with Neal.

That one sentence was also taken out of context. Lora has mentioned that too. And pretty sure Lora, who was part of the show, would know a little more about it than us grunts dissecting it. And also read Perry say in an interview that it was part of what he was saying. It was part of him talking about when he first joined the band and how they were such a tight brotherhood to crack in to.

What is this, Faux news? Spin spin spin the story Any Way You Want It.

[Deb]

I just don't think that comment is or was necessary....at least Perry keeps it to himself...

Well, take my $0.02 for what they're worth, but personally? I find that it's in Perry's best interest to keep his comments to himself. You'll notice, ever since Behind the Music came out, little gems like "lul i never felt like i was part of teh band" are no longer in circulation; he fucked up, plain and simple. The truth is Neal's very much right, to some extent. Perry fractured the band long before TBF came along. Neal has the facts on his side and while Perry is enough to cloud objectivity in a large percentage of middle aged women around the planet, it's not enough for him to bank on winning a PR battle with Neal.

That one sentence was also taken out of context. Lora has mentioned that too. And also read Perry say in an interview that it was part of what he was saying. It was part of him talking about when he first joined the band and how they were such a tight brotherhood to crack in to.

I read the subsequent interview. GQ, right? He said that he never felt like he was part of the band, that he felt the need to prove himself to Neal and Gregg and Jon and Herbie and Jesus and so on.

I can understand the initial reservations. After all, Neal and Gregg didn't want a lead singer. Perry was forced upon them. But the fact that he would later assume control in a manner that conjures images of the Emperor in Star Wars would suggest that those feelings died.

But, of course, he didn't say that.

How do we know? Not everything said, was aired.

[Gideon]

I just don't think that comment is or was necessary....at least Perry keeps it to himself...

Well, take my $0.02 for what they're worth, but personally? I find that it's in Perry's best interest to keep his comments to himself. You'll notice, ever since Behind the Music came out, little gems like "lul i never felt like i was part of teh band" are no longer in circulation; he fucked up, plain and simple. The truth is Neal's very much right, to some extent. Perry fractured the band long before TBF came along. Neal has the facts on his side and while Perry is enough to cloud objectivity in a large percentage of middle aged women around the planet, it's not enough for him to bank on winning a PR battle with Neal.

That one sentence was also taken out of context. Lora has mentioned that too. And also read Perry say in an interview that it was part of what he was saying. It was part of him talking about when he first joined the band and how they were such a tight brotherhood to crack in to.

I read the subsequent interview. GQ, right? He said that he never felt like he was part of the band, that he felt the need to prove himself to Neal and Gregg and Jon and Herbie and Jesus and so on.

I can understand the initial reservations. After all, Neal and Gregg didn't want a lead singer. Perry was forced upon them. But the fact that he would later assume control in a manner that conjures images of the Emperor in Star Wars would suggest that those feelings died.

But, of course, he didn't say that.

How do we know? Not everything said, was aired.

He went to GQ and clarified his statement. And it didn't show up even then.

[portland]

I just don't think that comment is or was necessary....at least Perry keeps it to himself...

Well, take my $0.02 for what they're worth, but personally? I find that it's in Perry's best interest to keep his comments to himself. You'll notice, ever since Behind the Music came out, little gems like "lul i never felt like i was part of teh band" are no longer in circulation; he fucked up, plain and simple. The truth is Neal's very much right, to some extent. Perry fractured the band long before TBF came along. Neal has the facts on his side and while Perry is enough to cloud objectivity in a large percentage of middle aged women around the planet, it's not enough for him to bank on winning a PR battle with Neal.

That one sentence was also taken out of context. Lora has mentioned that too. And also read Perry say in an interview that it was part of what he was saying. It was part of him talking about when he first joined the band and how they were such a tight brotherhood to crack in to.

I read the subsequent interview. GQ, right? He said that he never felt like he was part of the band, that he felt the need to prove himself to Neal and Gregg and Jon and Herbie and Jesus and so on.

I can understand the initial reservations. After all, Neal and Gregg didn't want a lead singer. Perry was forced upon them. But the fact that he would later assume control in a manner that conjures images of the Emperor in Star Wars would suggest that those feelings died.

But, of course, he didn't say that.

How do we know? Not everything said, was aired.

He went to GQ and clarified his statement. And it didn't show up even then.

This is another one that we will not ever really know the answer to, as we did not walk in the shoes of those who lived it....