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Postby Jana » Sun Nov 29, 2009 10:25 am

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Jana wrote:I think the Sopranos is what really set DSB in motion for all of this popularity on other shows. A lot of people mention that song now in relation to hearing it on the ending scene of the finale show of the series or hearing about it after the fact. I'm sure it was still being played by others before, but the Sopranos really kickstarted all this.


Cain is on record as saying the ChiSox deal is what got it kickstarted.

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/st ... las/090901

But while Cain agrees that the song's use in "The Sopranos" "certainly helped make it hip and less campy," he feels the true date of rebirth should be traced to a South Side Chicago bar in August 2005.

"It was the White Sox thing that really knocked it out of the park," Cain said.


You're right. I forgot about that.
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Postby SusieP » Sun Nov 29, 2009 10:22 pm

So who is the guy in the video Gunbot posted for me? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xIoSTbPt_PI
Whats his story?


I'm strangely fascinated by this video.
Whats up with me???????????????????????????????
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Postby SusieP » Sun Nov 29, 2009 10:55 pm

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SusieP wrote:And now a cover version of it may be Christmas number 1 if Simon Cowell has his way.

It's looking like the kid who sang it on XFactor may end up winning the contest [he is the only one out of that sorry bunch who has managed to sing every song in tune all the way through] - so Simon is currently dealing with the legalities of getting permission for the X Factor winner to record and release the song.

Since X Factor began every winner has reached number one with their 'winners single.'
It is usually a song which Simon's company owns all the rights to, however.
This time.... DSB isn't Simon's.

So will he be given permission to record it or will permission be denied?


Is the guy better than Sam Tsui? :lol:


The XFactor guy's is way too antiseptic. I would rather have Sam's. :lol:


He has zero emotion in his voice, face or eyes. A REEEEEEAL singer feels the music and what they are singing about. He's the type of person who would sing a song about losing his favourite pet with a big cheesy grin on his face. After raping DST and being a general Charismatic discharge of a human being who is going through the 'Cowell machine', he deserves every bad fortune that comes his way!! God hopes I meet him so I can punch that grinning mush of his to oblivion...There I have said it. I'm usually so nice on here but this whole thing makes my blood boil. As a musician and a Journey fan!



Ha ha haaaaa
LOVE it!

And he is the only singer who can stay in tune in the whole bloody show!
That says it all.

I think Simon Cowell is probably a nice bloke underneath it all, but I'm sick & tired of the pap he is forcing onto us.

Sick and bloody tired.
And there is no escape from his shows.
Every tv show, radio show, newspaper, magazine is crammed full of him and his crap "music."


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Postby Don » Mon Nov 30, 2009 6:41 am

SusieP wrote:So who is the guy in the video Gunbot posted for me? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xIoSTbPt_PI
Whats his story?


I'm strangely fascinated by this video.
Whats up with me???????????????????????????????


He's just a college student having fun. His friend Kurt is the one that puts all the video work together. I think they were just having fun with it at first but its morphed into something bigger now.

This one kills the DSB Cover.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R12QVtuB0_Q
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Postby SusieP » Mon Nov 30, 2009 10:16 pm

Gunbot wrote:
SusieP wrote:So who is the guy in the video Gunbot posted for me? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xIoSTbPt_PI
Whats his story?


I'm strangely fascinated by this video.
Whats up with me???????????????????????????????


He's just a college student having fun. His friend Kurt is the one that puts all the video work together. I think they were just having fun with it at first but its morphed into something bigger now.

This one kills the DSB Cover.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R12QVtuB0_Q




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Postby Don » Mon Dec 14, 2009 10:14 am

Joey, the guy who sang the Don't Stop Believin' and Open Arms Covers has won this season's X-Factor. Contrary to earlier suggestions, his rendition of DSB will not be released as the show's annual Christmas single. McElderry's version of the Miley Cyrus track The Climb will be this year's X Factor single and may very well be a Christmas number one on the UK charts.
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Postby SusieP » Mon Dec 14, 2009 9:28 pm

Wonder if SP blocked them releasing DSB?
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Postby Don » Tue Dec 15, 2009 3:44 am

SusieP wrote:Wonder if SP blocked them releasing DSB?


He can't block a cover song being released. I think only if the song is being used in film or as a promotional piece does the songwriter have the ability to block it. If they were going to use the song as an anthem for X-Factor, then he probably has a say in that.


I think The Climb is a better song for a X-Mas release anyway.
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Postby SusieP » Tue Dec 15, 2009 5:39 am

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SusieP wrote:Wonder if SP blocked them releasing DSB?


He can't block a cover song being released. I think only if the song is being used in film or as a promotional piece does the songwriter have the ability to block it. If they were going to use the song as an anthem for X-Factor, then he probably has a say in that.


I think The Climb is a better song for a X-Mas release anyway.


Simon Cowell said in the British papers that DSB would be the winner's song if he could 'iron out some legal issues' - so SOMETHING blocked it.


Some Brits have a campaign going to try and stop the X Factor winners song getting to number one in the charts for Christmas!
They are so sick of X Factor's monopoly over the charts in the last four years that over seven hundred thousand people have pledged on an internet site to download a single by Rage Against The Machine this week so it beats X Factor boy to the number one spot.


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Postby Don » Tue Dec 15, 2009 6:22 am

SusieP wrote:
Gunbot wrote:
SusieP wrote:Wonder if SP blocked them releasing DSB?


He can't block a cover song being released. I think only if the song is being used in film or as a promotional piece does the songwriter have the ability to block it. If they were going to use the song as an anthem for X-Factor, then he probably has a say in that.


I think The Climb is a better song for a X-Mas release anyway.


Simon Cowell said in the British papers that DSB would be the winner's song if he could 'iron out some legal issues' - so SOMETHING blocked it.


Some Brits have a campaign going to try and stop the X Factor winners song getting to number one in the charts for Christmas!
They are so sick of X Factor's monopoly over the charts in the last four years that over seven hundred thousand people have pledged on an internet site to download a single by Rage Against The Machine this week so it beats X Factor boy to the number one spot.


:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:


Didn't they try to do that with Millennium Prayer by Cliff Richard a few years back, where the radio refused to play it? It still hit #1 though.
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Postby SusieP » Thu Dec 17, 2009 6:08 am

dunno about the Cliff Richard song but they tried to block last year's X Factor winner getting to number one with Leonard Cohen's "Hallelujia" by downloading Jeff Buckley's version instead.

They got it to number 2.

So they have upped the campaign this year.

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Postby Don » Thu Dec 17, 2009 6:09 am

SusieP wrote:dunno about the Cliff Richard song but they tried to block last year's X Factor winner getting to number one with Leonard Cohen's "Hallelujia" by downloading Jeff Buckley's version instead.

They got it to number 2.

So they have upped the campaign this year.

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:


It appears to be working so far but there is still a lot of time left.
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Postby SusieP » Fri Dec 18, 2009 4:41 am

Both acts are with Sony BMG so I don't see how it makes a difference who gets to number one TBH.

And I'm not keen on either song.

I am interested to see if the campaign succeeds though.
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Postby Don » Mon Dec 21, 2009 5:19 pm

SusieP wrote:Both acts are with Sony BMG so I don't see how it makes a difference who gets to number one TBH.

And I'm not keen on either song.

I am interested to see if the campaign succeeds though.


Rock band Rage Against The Machine has won the most competitive battle in years for the Christmas number one.

The band's single, Killing In The Name, sold 500,000 downloads beating X Factor winner Joe McElderry's The Climb by 50,000 copies to clinch the top spot.


http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/entertainment/8423340.stm



The last big Christmas battle on a similar scale was between the Spice Girls' Goodbye and South Park character Chef's Chocolate Salty Balls in 1998. The Spice Girls won with 380,000 to their rival's 375,000.

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Postby SusieP » Wed Dec 23, 2009 8:01 pm

To me the RATM song is just a bloody noise.
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Postby WykkedSensation » Thu Dec 24, 2009 9:18 am

Read in the newspaper today that 'Don't Stop Believin' looks on course for #5 or #6 on Sunday's singles chart
''I Swear I Will Never Play Another Fuckin Diane Warren Song''.....Neal Schon On Bad English....
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Postby Don » Sat Jan 16, 2010 6:37 am

I think Cowell is waiting for the Classic Version of DSB to clear the charts so it doesn't cannibalize sales when McElderry releases his version.

http://www.digitalspy.com/xfactor/news/ ... -ntas.html

X Factor winner Joe McElderry is to perform Journey's 'Don't Stop Believin' at the National TV Awards next week, according to a report.

Simon Cowell picked the 1981 classic for McElderry after deciding that he should not sing debut single 'The Climb' at the event, The Sun claims.

Sources have suggested that Cowell also wants McElderry to release 'Don't Stop Believin' as his second single later this year.

The 18-year-old star is expected to appear as the opening act at Wednesday night's NTAs, which honour the best TV programmes and personalities of the past year.

McElderry previously sang 'Don't Stop Believin' in The X Factor's Rock Week, prompting the hit to return to the charts. The song was later tipped as a possible winner's single, but Cowell eventually opted for 'The Climb' instead.
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Postby Since 78 » Sat Jan 16, 2010 6:56 am

Gunbot wrote:I think Cowell is waiting for the Classic Version of DSB to clear the charts so it doesn't cannibalize sales when McElderry releases his version.

http://www.digitalspy.com/xfactor/news/ ... -ntas.html

X Factor winner Joe McElderry is to perform Journey's 'Don't Stop Believin' at the National TV Awards next week, according to a report.

Simon Cowell picked the 1981 classic for McElderry after deciding that he should not sing debut single 'The Climb' at the event, The Sun claims.

Sources have suggested that Cowell also wants McElderry to release 'Don't Stop Believin' as his second single later this year.

The 18-year-old star is expected to appear as the opening act at Wednesday night's NTAs, which honour the best TV programmes and personalities of the past year.

McElderry previously sang 'Don't Stop Believin' in The X Factor's Rock Week, prompting the hit to return to the charts. The song was later tipped as a possible winner's single, but Cowell eventually opted for 'The Climb' instead.


Ridiculous, first Glee now this! The song is now ruined completely.
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Postby Michigan Girl » Sat Jan 16, 2010 7:04 am

Since 78 wrote:
Gunbot wrote:I think Cowell is waiting for the Classic Version of DSB to clear the charts so it doesn't cannibalize sales when McElderry releases his version.

http://www.digitalspy.com/xfactor/news/ ... -ntas.html

X Factor winner Joe McElderry is to perform Journey's 'Don't Stop Believin' at the National TV Awards next week, according to a report.

Simon Cowell picked the 1981 classic for McElderry after deciding that he should not sing debut single 'The Climb' at the event, The Sun claims.

Sources have suggested that Cowell also wants McElderry to release 'Don't Stop Believin' as his second single later this year.

The 18-year-old star is expected to appear as the opening act at Wednesday night's NTAs, which honour the best TV programmes and personalities of the past year.

McElderry previously sang 'Don't Stop Believin' in The X Factor's Rock Week, prompting the hit to return to the charts. The song was later tipped as a possible winner's single, but Cowell eventually opted for 'The Climb' instead.


Ridiculous, first Glee now this! The song is now ruined completely.


Why?!?...
let everyone have a shot!! Don't be so closed minded, are you afraid
someone will sing it better than Arnel?!?! :lol: :evil: :wink:
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Postby Since 78 » Sat Jan 16, 2010 7:09 am

Michigan Girl wrote:
Since 78 wrote:
Gunbot wrote:I think Cowell is waiting for the Classic Version of DSB to clear the charts so it doesn't cannibalize sales when McElderry releases his version.

http://www.digitalspy.com/xfactor/news/ ... -ntas.html

X Factor winner Joe McElderry is to perform Journey's 'Don't Stop Believin' at the National TV Awards next week, according to a report.

Simon Cowell picked the 1981 classic for McElderry after deciding that he should not sing debut single 'The Climb' at the event, The Sun claims.

Sources have suggested that Cowell also wants McElderry to release 'Don't Stop Believin' as his second single later this year.

The 18-year-old star is expected to appear as the opening act at Wednesday night's NTAs, which honour the best TV programmes and personalities of the past year.

McElderry previously sang 'Don't Stop Believin' in The X Factor's Rock Week, prompting the hit to return to the charts. The song was later tipped as a possible winner's single, but Cowell eventually opted for 'The Climb' instead.


Ridiculous, first Glee now this! The song is now ruined completely.


Why?!?...
let everyone have a shot!! Don't be so closed minded, are you afraid
someone will sing it better than Arnel?!?! :lol: :evil: :wink:


No, no one sings it better than Perry, he needs to put a stop to this. Seriously!
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Postby Don » Sat Jan 16, 2010 7:10 am

Michigan Girl wrote:
Since 78 wrote:
Gunbot wrote:I think Cowell is waiting for the Classic Version of DSB to clear the charts so it doesn't cannibalize sales when McElderry releases his version.

http://www.digitalspy.com/xfactor/news/ ... -ntas.html

X Factor winner Joe McElderry is to perform Journey's 'Don't Stop Believin' at the National TV Awards next week, according to a report.

Simon Cowell picked the 1981 classic for McElderry after deciding that he should not sing debut single 'The Climb' at the event, The Sun claims.

Sources have suggested that Cowell also wants McElderry to release 'Don't Stop Believin' as his second single later this year.

The 18-year-old star is expected to appear as the opening act at Wednesday night's NTAs, which honour the best TV programmes and personalities of the past year.

McElderry previously sang 'Don't Stop Believin' in The X Factor's Rock Week, prompting the hit to return to the charts. The song was later tipped as a possible winner's single, but Cowell eventually opted for 'The Climb' instead.


Ridiculous, first Glee now this! The song is now ruined completely.


Why?!?...
let everyone have a shot!! Don't be so closed minded, are you afraid
someone will sing it better than Arnel?!?! :lol: :evil: :wink:


Forget that. Arnel's version can't even get on the radio. If they had changed it up a bit or extended it, perhaps it would make sense to release it but the way it was done, a lot of people who aren't fans wouldn't even know it was a different version.

It does make me wonder though, if Neal had named Revelation "Journey's Greatest Hits +11", would that album be the one still on the charts instead of Sony's release? Sometimes something as simple as including the word "Greatest" in the title can change everything.
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Postby Don » Sat Jan 16, 2010 7:15 am

Since 78 wrote:
Michigan Girl wrote:
Since 78 wrote:
Gunbot wrote:I think Cowell is waiting for the Classic Version of DSB to clear the charts so it doesn't cannibalize sales when McElderry releases his version.

http://www.digitalspy.com/xfactor/news/ ... -ntas.html

X Factor winner Joe McElderry is to perform Journey's 'Don't Stop Believin' at the National TV Awards next week, according to a report.

Simon Cowell picked the 1981 classic for McElderry after deciding that he should not sing debut single 'The Climb' at the event, The Sun claims.

Sources have suggested that Cowell also wants McElderry to release 'Don't Stop Believin' as his second single later this year.

The 18-year-old star is expected to appear as the opening act at Wednesday night's NTAs, which honour the best TV programmes and personalities of the past year.

McElderry previously sang 'Don't Stop Believin' in The X Factor's Rock Week, prompting the hit to return to the charts. The song was later tipped as a possible winner's single, but Cowell eventually opted for 'The Climb' instead.


Ridiculous, first Glee now this! The song is now ruined completely.


Why?!?...
let everyone have a shot!! Don't be so closed minded, are you afraid
someone will sing it better than Arnel?!?! :lol: :evil: :wink:


No, no one sings it better than Perry, he needs to put a stop to this. Seriously!


They can't block cover versions. As long as the melody or lyrics aren't altered too much, there is not much Perry, Cain or Schon can do except collect their royalty payments.
I bet if Azoff could have foreseen this, the band would be on the road in England right now, possibly playing Wembley or some soccer stadium. Timing is everything.
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Postby Since 78 » Sat Jan 16, 2010 7:26 am

Gunbot wrote:
Since 78 wrote:
Michigan Girl wrote:
Since 78 wrote:
Gunbot wrote:I think Cowell is waiting for the Classic Version of DSB to clear the charts so it doesn't cannibalize sales when McElderry releases his version.

http://www.digitalspy.com/xfactor/news/ ... -ntas.html

X Factor winner Joe McElderry is to perform Journey's 'Don't Stop Believin' at the National TV Awards next week, according to a report.

Simon Cowell picked the 1981 classic for McElderry after deciding that he should not sing debut single 'The Climb' at the event, The Sun claims.

Sources have suggested that Cowell also wants McElderry to release 'Don't Stop Believin' as his second single later this year.

The 18-year-old star is expected to appear as the opening act at Wednesday night's NTAs, which honour the best TV programmes and personalities of the past year.

McElderry previously sang 'Don't Stop Believin' in The X Factor's Rock Week, prompting the hit to return to the charts. The song was later tipped as a possible winner's single, but Cowell eventually opted for 'The Climb' instead.


Ridiculous, first Glee now this! The song is now ruined completely.


Why?!?...
let everyone have a shot!! Don't be so closed minded, are you afraid
someone will sing it better than Arnel?!?! :lol: :evil: :wink:


No, no one sings it better than Perry, he needs to put a stop to this. Seriously!


They can't block cover versions. As long as the melody or lyrics aren't altered too much, there is not much Perry, Cain or Schon can do except collect their royalty payments.
I bet if Azoff could have foreseen this, the band would be on the road in England right now, possibly playing Wembley or some soccer stadium. Timing is everything.


So, I could go out and release a single of DSB? No permission?
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Postby Don » Sat Jan 16, 2010 7:38 am

Since 78 wrote:
Gunbot wrote:
Since 78 wrote:
Michigan Girl wrote:
Since 78 wrote:
Gunbot wrote:I think Cowell is waiting for the Classic Version of DSB to clear the charts so it doesn't cannibalize sales when McElderry releases his version.

http://www.digitalspy.com/xfactor/news/ ... -ntas.html

X Factor winner Joe McElderry is to perform Journey's 'Don't Stop Believin' at the National TV Awards next week, according to a report.

Simon Cowell picked the 1981 classic for McElderry after deciding that he should not sing debut single 'The Climb' at the event, The Sun claims.

Sources have suggested that Cowell also wants McElderry to release 'Don't Stop Believin' as his second single later this year.

The 18-year-old star is expected to appear as the opening act at Wednesday night's NTAs, which honour the best TV programmes and personalities of the past year.

McElderry previously sang 'Don't Stop Believin' in The X Factor's Rock Week, prompting the hit to return to the charts. The song was later tipped as a possible winner's single, but Cowell eventually opted for 'The Climb' instead.


Ridiculous, first Glee now this! The song is now ruined completely.


Why?!?...
let everyone have a shot!! Don't be so closed minded, are you afraid
someone will sing it better than Arnel?!?! :lol: :evil: :wink:


No, no one sings it better than Perry, he needs to put a stop to this. Seriously!


They can't block cover versions. As long as the melody or lyrics aren't altered too much, there is not much Perry, Cain or Schon can do except collect their royalty payments.
I bet if Azoff could have foreseen this, the band would be on the road in England right now, possibly playing Wembley or some soccer stadium. Timing is everything.


So, I could go out and release a single of DSB? No permission?


I'll do a bit of plagerization here but this is the gist of it.

Once a song has been commercially released by an artist, that artist's song may be re-recorded and released by anyone who chooses to do so. This holds true, provided that the melody/lyric isn't substantially altered in the "cover" version, and that they pay proper fees/royalties directly to the song's copyright holder. (On the flip side, if you release a disc with cover songs on it, then try to obtain proper licensing after the fact, you're no longer eligible—and possibly subject to penalties/prosecution for copyright infringement!)


Here's an example of what you do.

You send a Notice of Intention to Obtain Compulsory License for Making and Distributing Sound Recordings to the publisher (certified mail, return receipt); upon receipt, they'll ask for you to specify the number of copies you intended to sell. They then send a written agreement for your signature, additionally asking for a check covering the sum of advance royalties paid on 1,000 units. (or however many CDs you are pressing for your initial release) This agreement also provides you with the exact wording for the "publisher/writer credit" you needed to include in your CD's liner notes, and may stipulate that the publisher receive two copies of the disc "as released." (Individual writer/publisher credits for every song you cover need to be included in your CD's liner notes, by the way.) Upon execution of the agreement, you're then granted the license and quickly sent a hard copy for your records.

Remember though, using the song for promotional purposes such as a movie soundtrack, TV program, video release (DVD, VHS, etc.) or Commercial does require permission. You may remember Jeremey mentioning how Journey needed Perry's permission for the Revelation DVD (and probably the Manila and Arrival ones as well) when it pertains to songs he specifically has a writing credit on.
Note: I haven't worked at Warner for a few years but most of this stuff I'm spewing should still be current.
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Postby Since 78 » Sat Jan 16, 2010 8:30 am

Gunbot wrote:
Since 78 wrote:
Gunbot wrote:
Since 78 wrote:
Michigan Girl wrote:
Since 78 wrote:
Gunbot wrote:I think Cowell is waiting for the Classic Version of DSB to clear the charts so it doesn't cannibalize sales when McElderry releases his version.

http://www.digitalspy.com/xfactor/news/ ... -ntas.html

X Factor winner Joe McElderry is to perform Journey's 'Don't Stop Believin' at the National TV Awards next week, according to a report.

Simon Cowell picked the 1981 classic for McElderry after deciding that he should not sing debut single 'The Climb' at the event, The Sun claims.

Sources have suggested that Cowell also wants McElderry to release 'Don't Stop Believin' as his second single later this year.

The 18-year-old star is expected to appear as the opening act at Wednesday night's NTAs, which honour the best TV programmes and personalities of the past year.

McElderry previously sang 'Don't Stop Believin' in The X Factor's Rock Week, prompting the hit to return to the charts. The song was later tipped as a possible winner's single, but Cowell eventually opted for 'The Climb' instead.


Ridiculous, first Glee now this! The song is now ruined completely.


Why?!?...
let everyone have a shot!! Don't be so closed minded, are you afraid
someone will sing it better than Arnel?!?! :lol: :evil: :wink:


No, no one sings it better than Perry, he needs to put a stop to this. Seriously!


They can't block cover versions. As long as the melody or lyrics aren't altered too much, there is not much Perry, Cain or Schon can do except collect their royalty payments.
I bet if Azoff could have foreseen this, the band would be on the road in England right now, possibly playing Wembley or some soccer stadium. Timing is everything.


So, I could go out and release a single of DSB? No permission?


I'll do a bit of plagerization here but this is the gist of it.

Once a song has been commercially released by an artist, that artist's song may be re-recorded and released by anyone who chooses to do so. This holds true, provided that the melody/lyric isn't substantially altered in the "cover" version, and that they pay proper fees/royalties directly to the song's copyright holder. (On the flip side, if you release a disc with cover songs on it, then try to obtain proper licensing after the fact, you're no longer eligible—and possibly subject to penalties/prosecution for copyright infringement!)


Here's an example of what you do.

You send a Notice of Intention to Obtain Compulsory License for Making and Distributing Sound Recordings to the publisher (certified mail, return receipt); upon receipt, they'll ask for you to specify the number of copies you intended to sell. They then send a written agreement for your signature, additionally asking for a check covering the sum of advance royalties paid on 1,000 units. (or however many CDs you are pressing for your initial release) This agreement also provides you with the exact wording for the "publisher/writer credit" you needed to include in your CD's liner notes, and may stipulate that the publisher receive two copies of the disc "as released." (Individual writer/publisher credits for every song you cover need to be included in your CD's liner notes, by the way.) Upon execution of the agreement, you're then granted the license and quickly sent a hard copy for your records.

Remember though, using the song for promotional purposes such as a movie soundtrack, TV program, video release (DVD, VHS, etc.) or Commercial does require permission. You may remember Jeremey mentioning how Journey needed Perry's permission for the Revelation DVD (and probably the Manila and Arrival ones as well) when it pertains to songs he specifically has a writing credit on.
Note: I haven't worked at Warner for a few years but most of this stuff I'm spewing should still be current.


OK, Thanks! well, at least he could come out and say it Sucks or something instead of promoting this rubbish.

How about we release an MR version?? Bet we could do it better than Glee.
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Postby Jeremey » Sat Jan 16, 2010 8:47 am

A friend of mine in the music business in the UK sent me this earlier today to reflect on the success of DSB on UK Charts and what it means for the state of the music industry....

"FYI: The original version of 'Don't stop believing' just went top 10 here in the UK this week. Journey never had success here in the UK before, even when they were having continuous hits in America. It pretty much the state of play with the industry right now as without the majors force feeding the public (via radio), kids and genuine music fans are discovering some of these great songs from the past 'unsolicited' on the internet. A few people I deal with at radio are telling me horror stories about what's happening now (at radio), as they have started to realize that the labels are pulling back on their investment into new bands (albeit due to a 60% downturn in record sales during 2009). This has obviously created a domino effect and radio is hurting badly. 2010 is going to be a year where genuine talent will outshine all the manufactured artists we've been used to hearing the past 25 years. It's all good and I think real artists with strong songs will now start to get noticed for the right reasons (providing they have access to quality controlled recording)."
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Postby Michigan Girl » Sat Jan 16, 2010 8:51 am

Jeremey wrote:A friend of mine in the music business in the UK sent me this earlier today to reflect on the success of DSB on UK Charts and what it means for the state of the music industry....

"FYI: The original version of 'Don't stop believing' just went top 10 here in the UK this week. Journey never had success here in the UK before, even when they were having continuous hits in America. It pretty much the state of play with the industry right now as without the majors force feeding the public (via radio), kids and genuine music fans are discovering some of these great songs from the past 'unsolicited' on the internet. A few people I deal with at radio are telling me horror stories about what's happening now (at radio), as they have started to realize that the labels are pulling back on their investment into new bands (albeit due to a 60% downturn in record sales during 2009). This has obviously created a domino effect and radio is hurting badly. 2010 is going to be a year where genuine talent will outshine all the manufactured artists we've been used to hearing the past 25 years. It's all good and I think real artists with strong songs will now start to get noticed for the right reasons (providing they have access to quality controlled recording)."

This is FANTASTIC news...Thanks, Jeremey!! :wink:
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Postby Don » Sat Jan 16, 2010 9:00 am

Since 78 wrote:
OK, Thanks! well, at least he could come out and say it Sucks or something instead of promoting this rubbish.

How about we release an MR version?? Bet we could do it better than Glee.


Daryl Hall and Smokey Robinson were talking about people doing covers of their songs and how they love it. One reason is how it makes something you worked on timeless, another reason is money.
A lot of people here hated Mariah Carey's cover of Open Arms. The album it was on sold 20 million copies. That's a lot of reasons for Cain and Perry not to say anything derogatory about her version of it, seeing as they earn royalties off of number of copies pressed, regardless if the song is released as a single or not.
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Postby Ehwmatt » Sat Jan 16, 2010 9:06 am

Jeremey wrote:
It's all good and I think real artists with strong songs will now start to get noticed for the right reasons (providing they have access to quality controlled recording)."


It's about fuckin time this happens. You had to figure something had to give eventually. Quality will always trump image or whatever trendy garbage they try to foist on us in the end.
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Postby Don » Sat Jan 16, 2010 9:11 am

Ehwmatt wrote:
Jeremey wrote:
It's all good and I think real artists with strong songs will now start to get noticed for the right reasons (providing they have access to quality controlled recording)."


It's about fuckin time this happens. You had to figure something had to give eventually. Quality will always trump image or whatever trendy garbage they try to foist on us in the end.


I do expect to see CD sales continuing to dwindle though. With Itunes and Amazon music, It's all about singles instead of complete albums now.
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