Top 10 Bands That Should Be in the RRHoF - Journey

[jrny84]

I still can't believe Chicago isn't in. If they can be overlooked, I'm not surprised by anyone who's NOT in.

Yeah me either. Thats just a joke in itself. Chicago was one of the most successful rock bands of the 60s, 70s, and 80s...even had some hits into the 90s. The use of the horn section seperated them from anyother group of that time period.

Also if Kiss gets in, then the Hall has definetly lost all crediblity. I mean yes there still very popular, but to take them seriously as pioneers in rock music?? No way. They put on good shows and definetly sell their merchandise well, but as far as vocal talent, song ability, and stuff like that. The induction of REM and blondie was bad enough.

[Ehwmatt]

I still can't believe Chicago isn't in. If they can be overlooked, I'm not surprised by anyone who's NOT in.

Yeah me either. Thats just a joke in itself. Chicago was one of the most successful rock bands of the 60s, 70s, and 80s...even had some hits into the 90s. The use of the horn section seperated them from anyother group of that time period.

Also if Kiss gets in, then the Hall has definetly lost all crediblity. I mean yes there still very popular, but to take them seriously as pioneers in rock music?? No way. They put on good shows and definetly sell their merchandise well, but as far as vocal talent, song ability, and stuff like that. The induction of REM and blondie was bad enough.

Ironically enough, I think Chicago would have gotten in a long time ago if they had stopped making music before the (great) Champlin/Cetera/and later Scheff ballad era.

[Michigan Girl]

I still can't believe Chicago isn't in. If they can be overlooked, I'm not surprised by anyone who's NOT in.

Yeah me either. Thats just a joke in itself. Chicago was one of the most successful rock bands of the 60s, 70s, and 80s...even had some hits into the 90s. The use of the horn section seperated them from anyother group of that time period.

Also if Kiss gets in, then the Hall has definetly lost all crediblity. I mean yes there still very popular, but to take them seriously as pioneers in rock music?? No way. They put on good shows and definetly sell their merchandise well, but as far as vocal talent, song ability, and stuff like that. The induction of REM and blondie was bad enough.

You're insane, you need to go to your room w/Deano and a couple of others ...no dinner!!! :evil:

[Jeremey]

I still can't believe Chicago isn't in. If they can be overlooked, I'm not surprised by anyone who's NOT in.

Yeah me either. Thats just a joke in itself. Chicago was one of the most successful rock bands of the 60s, 70s, and 80s...even had some hits into the 90s. The use of the horn section seperated them from anyother group of that time period.

Also if Kiss gets in, then the Hall has definetly lost all crediblity. I mean yes there still very popular, but to take them seriously as pioneers in rock music?? No way. They put on good shows and definetly sell their merchandise well, but as far as vocal talent, song ability, and stuff like that. The induction of REM and blondie was bad enough.

I don't know you and I'm not making any personal critique of your musical tastes, I swear....But I do think if you feel that Chicago deserves to be in the RRHOF before Blondie or REM, you're probably going to be in disagreement with 99% of the inductions and oversights of the HOF.

[steveo777]

I still can't believe Chicago isn't in. If they can be overlooked, I'm not surprised by anyone who's NOT in.

Yeah me either. Thats just a joke in itself. Chicago was one of the most successful rock bands of the 60s, 70s, and 80s...even had some hits into the 90s. The use of the horn section seperated them from anyother group of that time period.

Also if Kiss gets in, then the Hall has definetly lost all crediblity. I mean yes there still very popular, but to take them seriously as pioneers in rock music?? No way. They put on good shows and definetly sell their merchandise well, but as far as vocal talent, song ability, and stuff like that. The induction of REM and blondie was bad enough.

You're insane, you need to go to your room w/Deano and a couple of others ...no dinner!!! :evil:

Gene's tongue alone should have gotten them in. KISS was always about the showmanship as much as the music.

[Ehwmatt]

I still can't believe Chicago isn't in. If they can be overlooked, I'm not surprised by anyone who's NOT in.

Yeah me either. Thats just a joke in itself. Chicago was one of the most successful rock bands of the 60s, 70s, and 80s...even had some hits into the 90s. The use of the horn section seperated them from anyother group of that time period.

Also if Kiss gets in, then the Hall has definetly lost all crediblity. I mean yes there still very popular, but to take them seriously as pioneers in rock music?? No way. They put on good shows and definetly sell their merchandise well, but as far as vocal talent, song ability, and stuff like that. The induction of REM and blondie was bad enough.

I don't know you and I'm not making any personal critique of your musical tastes, I swear....But I do think if you feel that Chicago deserves to be in the RRHOF before Blondie or REM, you're probably going to be in disagreement with 99% of the inductions and oversights of the HOF.

Please god don't tell me you'd prefer to listen to REM or Blondie over Chicago. Chicago is a legendary band... Blondie is horrendous and REM is a decent enough band, but certainly no legend.

[Jeremey]

I still can't believe Chicago isn't in. If they can be overlooked, I'm not surprised by anyone who's NOT in.

Yeah me either. Thats just a joke in itself. Chicago was one of the most successful rock bands of the 60s, 70s, and 80s...even had some hits into the 90s. The use of the horn section seperated them from anyother group of that time period.

Also if Kiss gets in, then the Hall has definetly lost all crediblity. I mean yes there still very popular, but to take them seriously as pioneers in rock music?? No way. They put on good shows and definetly sell their merchandise well, but as far as vocal talent, song ability, and stuff like that. The induction of REM and blondie was bad enough.

I don't know you and I'm not making any personal critique of your musical tastes, I swear....But I do think if you feel that Chicago deserves to be in the RRHOF before Blondie or REM, you're probably going to be in disagreement with 99% of the inductions and oversights of the HOF.

Please god don't tell me you'd prefer to listen to REM or Blondie over Chicago. Chicago is a legendary band... Blondie is horrendous and REM is a decent enough band, but certainly no legend.

Well.....no, not at all, but what I meant was I believe that musical way of thinking appears to be the opposite of the RRHOF.

That said I do think REM deserves to be in.

[Ehwmatt]

I still can't believe Chicago isn't in. If they can be overlooked, I'm not surprised by anyone who's NOT in.

Yeah me either. Thats just a joke in itself. Chicago was one of the most successful rock bands of the 60s, 70s, and 80s...even had some hits into the 90s. The use of the horn section seperated them from anyother group of that time period.

Also if Kiss gets in, then the Hall has definetly lost all crediblity. I mean yes there still very popular, but to take them seriously as pioneers in rock music?? No way. They put on good shows and definetly sell their merchandise well, but as far as vocal talent, song ability, and stuff like that. The induction of REM and blondie was bad enough.

I don't know you and I'm not making any personal critique of your musical tastes, I swear....But I do think if you feel that Chicago deserves to be in the RRHOF before Blondie or REM, you're probably going to be in disagreement with 99% of the inductions and oversights of the HOF.

Please god don't tell me you'd prefer to listen to REM or Blondie over Chicago. Chicago is a legendary band... Blondie is horrendous and REM is a decent enough band, but certainly no legend.

Well.....no, not at all, but what I meant was I believe that musical way of thinking appears to be the opposite of the RRHOF.

That said I do think REM deserves to be in.

That's what I thought you meant, just making sure.

I'm ok with REM being in, but I'm not exactly sure they were incredibly deserving.

[Jana]

why isn't depeche mode nominated? They were in the forefront and innovative in their music genre and keep writing great new music and selling out at concerts. no love for depeche mode?

[Ehwmatt]

why isn't depeche mode nominated? They were in the forefront and innovative in their music genre and keep writing great new music and selling out at concerts. no love for depeche mode?

I'm sure they'll be considered some day and probably should be.

[Michigan Girl]

I still can't believe Chicago isn't in. If they can be overlooked, I'm not surprised by anyone who's NOT in.

Yeah me either. Thats just a joke in itself. Chicago was one of the most successful rock bands of the 60s, 70s, and 80s...even had some hits into the 90s. The use of the horn section seperated them from anyother group of that time period.

Also if Kiss gets in, then the Hall has definetly lost all crediblity. I mean yes there still very popular, but to take them seriously as pioneers in rock music?? No way. They put on good shows and definetly sell their merchandise well, but as far as vocal talent, song ability, and stuff like that. The induction of REM and blondie was bad enough.

You're insane, you need to go to your room w/Deano and a couple of others ...no dinner!!! :evil:

Gene's tongue alone should have gotten them in. KISS was always about the showmanship as much as the music.

Who helped you w/this?!?! You almost seem somewhat similar to a person owning a brain cell!!

[7 Wishes]

That Blondie and the Mamas and Papas are in the RRHOF is reason enough for me to pray Journey and Def Leppard never even get nominated.

[steveo777]

I still can't believe Chicago isn't in. If they can be overlooked, I'm not surprised by anyone who's NOT in.

Yeah me either. Thats just a joke in itself. Chicago was one of the most successful rock bands of the 60s, 70s, and 80s...even had some hits into the 90s. The use of the horn section seperated them from anyother group of that time period.

Also if Kiss gets in, then the Hall has definetly lost all crediblity. I mean yes there still very popular, but to take them seriously as pioneers in rock music?? No way. They put on good shows and definetly sell their merchandise well, but as far as vocal talent, song ability, and stuff like that. The induction of REM and blondie was bad enough.

You're insane, you need to go to your room w/Deano and a couple of others ...no dinner!!! :evil:

Gene's tongue alone should have gotten them in. KISS was always about the showmanship as much as the music.

Who helped you w/this?!?! You almost seem somewhat similar to a person owning a brain cell!!

And you thought I was just one of them pin heads!!!

[Deb]

Out of those you have....EM and The Pretenders maybe....Chrissy Hind was a rock chic.

Thread ninja.... Sorry, couldn't help myself.....

[Rockindeano]

I still can't believe Chicago isn't in. If they can be overlooked, I'm not surprised by anyone who's NOT in.

Yeah me either. Thats just a joke in itself. Chicago was one of the most successful rock bands of the 60s, 70s, and 80s...even had some hits into the 90s. The use of the horn section seperated them from anyother group of that time period.

Also if Kiss gets in, then the Hall has definetly lost all crediblity. I mean yes there still very popular, but to take them seriously as pioneers in rock music?? No way. They put on good shows and definetly sell their merchandise well, but as far as vocal talent, song ability, and stuff like that. The induction of REM and blondie was bad enough.

I don't know you and I'm not making any personal critique of your musical tastes, I swear....But I do think if you feel that Chicago deserves to be in the RRHOF before Blondie or REM, you're probably going to be in disagreement with 99% of the inductions and oversights of the HOF.

Jer, are you being sarcastic? Are you saying Chicago shouldn't be in? Sorry, had about a dozen too many percocets.

Thanks in advance

[steveo777]

I still can't believe Chicago isn't in. If they can be overlooked, I'm not surprised by anyone who's NOT in.

Yeah me either. Thats just a joke in itself. Chicago was one of the most successful rock bands of the 60s, 70s, and 80s...even had some hits into the 90s. The use of the horn section seperated them from anyother group of that time period.

Also if Kiss gets in, then the Hall has definetly lost all crediblity. I mean yes there still very popular, but to take them seriously as pioneers in rock music?? No way. They put on good shows and definetly sell their merchandise well, but as far as vocal talent, song ability, and stuff like that. The induction of REM and blondie was bad enough.

I don't know you and I'm not making any personal critique of your musical tastes, I swear....But I do think if you feel that Chicago deserves to be in the RRHOF before Blondie or REM, you're probably going to be in disagreement with 99% of the inductions and oversights of the HOF.

Jer, are you being sarcastic? Are you saying Chicago shouldn't be in? Sorry, had about a dozen too many percocets.

Thanks in advance

He Dean, I know you're probably gonna tell me to fuck off, but be careful of the pills. If you have a dozen too many, tolerance is being built. I have an uncle all fucked up because of those innocent little pills that he could finally take about 100 of.

[Rockindeano]

I still can't believe Chicago isn't in. If they can be overlooked, I'm not surprised by anyone who's NOT in.

Yeah me either. Thats just a joke in itself. Chicago was one of the most successful rock bands of the 60s, 70s, and 80s...even had some hits into the 90s. The use of the horn section seperated them from anyother group of that time period.

Also if Kiss gets in, then the Hall has definetly lost all crediblity. I mean yes there still very popular, but to take them seriously as pioneers in rock music?? No way. They put on good shows and definetly sell their merchandise well, but as far as vocal talent, song ability, and stuff like that. The induction of REM and blondie was bad enough.

I don't know you and I'm not making any personal critique of your musical tastes, I swear....But I do think if you feel that Chicago deserves to be in the RRHOF before Blondie or REM, you're probably going to be in disagreement with 99% of the inductions and oversights of the HOF.

Jer, are you being sarcastic? Are you saying Chicago shouldn't be in? Sorry, had about a dozen too many percocets.

Thanks in advance

He Dean, I know you're probably gonna tell me to fuck off, but be careful of the pills. If you have a dozen too many, tolerance is being built. I have an uncle all fucked up because of those innocent little pills that he could finally take about 100 of.

Fuck off.

I know all about the tolerance dude. Been taking them for years. I joke here. I don't do it to get high. I really have bad knees..bone on bone in both, torn ligaments in both; torn meniscus in both; removed cartilage in both. ACL repair in left; it really is a necessity. Thanks for the genuine concern though and the advice, I appreciate that Steve.

Once I have been off of them for a week or two, then the tolerance is all but gone, and taking less rather than more is effective. However, you do need to take more like you said when the inevitable tolerance builds up. It's a real problem for me, because a person needs to walk, be active and live a normal life to keep the weight off and keep in semi decent shape. I was 290lbs 2 years ago. I was diagnosed with type 2 diabetes. Went on diabetic medication, ate right and started exercising. This year in January, right before surgery #1, I was at 238. Now since I have been off work for 50 days, I am back up to 255. I have 3 weeks to go to I can hopefully return to work. If I can walk, I can lose it all again pretty easy; however, I have to be able to walk. Right now, I am lame, to put it bluntly. While off work, I have become lazy and have not eaten well, hence the weight gain.

Thanks again Stevie.

Fuck off.

[steveo777]

I still can't believe Chicago isn't in. If they can be overlooked, I'm not surprised by anyone who's NOT in.

Yeah me either. Thats just a joke in itself. Chicago was one of the most successful rock bands of the 60s, 70s, and 80s...even had some hits into the 90s. The use of the horn section seperated them from anyother group of that time period.

Also if Kiss gets in, then the Hall has definetly lost all crediblity. I mean yes there still very popular, but to take them seriously as pioneers in rock music?? No way. They put on good shows and definetly sell their merchandise well, but as far as vocal talent, song ability, and stuff like that. The induction of REM and blondie was bad enough.

I don't know you and I'm not making any personal critique of your musical tastes, I swear....But I do think if you feel that Chicago deserves to be in the RRHOF before Blondie or REM, you're probably going to be in disagreement with 99% of the inductions and oversights of the HOF.

Jer, are you being sarcastic? Are you saying Chicago shouldn't be in? Sorry, had about a dozen too many percocets.

Thanks in advance

He Dean, I know you're probably gonna tell me to fuck off, but be careful of the pills. If you have a dozen too many, tolerance is being built. I have an uncle all fucked up because of those innocent little pills that he could finally take about 100 of.

Fuck off.

I know all about the tolerance dude. Been taking them for years. I joke here. I don't do it to get high. I really have bad knees..bone on bone in both, torn ligaments in both; torn meniscus in both; removed cartilage in both. ACL repair in left; it really is a necessity. Thanks for the genuine concern though and the advice, I appreciate that Steve.

Once I have been off of them for a week or two, then the tolerance is all but gone, and taking less rather than more is effective. However, you do need to take more like you said when the inevitable tolerance builds up. It's a real problem for me, because a person needs to walk, be active and live a normal life to keep the weight off and keep in semi decent shape. I was 290lbs 2 years ago. I was diagnosed with type 2 diabetes. Went on diabetic medication, ate right and started exercising. This year in January, right before surgery #1, I was at 238. Now since I have been off work for 50 days, I am back up to 255. I have 3 weeks to go to I can hopefully return to work. If I can walk, I can lose it all again pretty easy; however, I have to be able to walk. Right now, I am lame, to put it bluntly. While off work, I have become lazy and have not eaten well, hence the weight gain.

Thanks again Stevie.

Fuck off.

No problem, buddy. Be well.

[hoagiepete]

Not sure whether to call it a joke, but the Rock n Roll Hall of Fame is meaningless. Who cares. Just an excuse to give Cleveland some pub. Glancing through a Hard Rock Cafe while having a cold one is fine by me.

Fuckin a Pete, this isn't just you, but this is at least the fourth time here I've seen Cleveland incorrectly being mentioned in connection with the Rock Hall problems. I'm gonna say it real nice, slow, and big for all of you fuckin people to get this unfortunate fact through your thick fuckin skulls:



CLEVELAND, THE CITY, AND THE PEOPLE IN CHARGE OF CLEVELAND-SIDE ROCK HALL ADMINISTRATION HAVE ABSOLUTELY NOTHING TO DO WITH WHO GETS INDUCTED TO THE HALL. NOTHING. ZILCH. ZERO. NADA.

WHERE'S THE INDUCTION CONCERT NEARLY EVERY YEAR? NEW YORK.

GUESS WHO RUNS THE ROCK HALL AND EVERYTHING TO DO WITH WHO GETS IN? THAT BUTTFUCKING COCKSUCKING FAG JANN WENNER, HIS HIPPIE ROLLING STONE CRONIES, AND A FEW OTHER RICH NEW YORK SOCIALITES. CLEVELAND HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH IT AND IT SURE AS SHIT DOESN'T GET MUCH "PUB" FROM HAVING THE HALL HERE CONSIDERING ANY BIG ROCK HALL EVENT IS ALMOST ALWAYS CONNECTED TO NEW YORK.

Now, I hope that clears up the misconception.

I did not mean to imply the nice folks in Cleveland were anyway responsible. I meant that the only real purpose the Hall served was to give people a reason to go to Cleveland. Whoops, that didn't sound right either. I did not mean that is the "only" reason to go to Cleveland. Oh well.

[xflajrnylvr]

Why is that? Everyone in there deserves to be there.

Yea...right.

Name me one band who doesn't.

MAdonna

[Ehwmatt]

Not sure whether to call it a joke, but the Rock n Roll Hall of Fame is meaningless. Who cares. Just an excuse to give Cleveland some pub. Glancing through a Hard Rock Cafe while having a cold one is fine by me.

Fuckin a Pete, this isn't just you, but this is at least the fourth time here I've seen Cleveland incorrectly being mentioned in connection with the Rock Hall problems. I'm gonna say it real nice, slow, and big for all of you fuckin people to get this unfortunate fact through your thick fuckin skulls:



CLEVELAND, THE CITY, AND THE PEOPLE IN CHARGE OF CLEVELAND-SIDE ROCK HALL ADMINISTRATION HAVE ABSOLUTELY NOTHING TO DO WITH WHO GETS INDUCTED TO THE HALL. NOTHING. ZILCH. ZERO. NADA.

WHERE'S THE INDUCTION CONCERT NEARLY EVERY YEAR? NEW YORK.

GUESS WHO RUNS THE ROCK HALL AND EVERYTHING TO DO WITH WHO GETS IN? THAT BUTTFUCKING COCKSUCKING FAG JANN WENNER, HIS HIPPIE ROLLING STONE CRONIES, AND A FEW OTHER RICH NEW YORK SOCIALITES. CLEVELAND HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH IT AND IT SURE AS SHIT DOESN'T GET MUCH "PUB" FROM HAVING THE HALL HERE CONSIDERING ANY BIG ROCK HALL EVENT IS ALMOST ALWAYS CONNECTED TO NEW YORK.

Now, I hope that clears up the misconception.

I did not mean to imply the nice folks in Cleveland were anyway responsible. I meant that the only real purpose the Hall served was to give people a reason to go to Cleveland. Whoops, that didn't sound right either. I did not mean that is the "only" reason to go to Cleveland. Oh well.

lol, I'm all for people coming to Cleveland. I doubt the Rock Hall draws too many people on its own though ;(

Hell, I've only been there once in the past several years - and that was to see Kasim Sulton [Todd Rundgren, Utopia, Meat Loaf etc.] play an acoustic set!

[Jana]

Why is that? Everyone in there deserves to be there.

Yea...right.

Name me one band who doesn't.

MAdonna

I'm a huge Madonna fan and I didn't get that at all. Not an ounce of rock in her, all pop, especially above so many in-the-forefront rock bands not in there.

[Rockwriter]

Not sure whether to call it a joke, but the Rock n Roll Hall of Fame is meaningless. Who cares. Just an excuse to give Cleveland some pub. Glancing through a Hard Rock Cafe while having a cold one is fine by me.

Fuckin a Pete, this isn't just you, but this is at least the fourth time here I've seen Cleveland incorrectly being mentioned in connection with the Rock Hall problems. I'm gonna say it real nice, slow, and big for all of you fuckin people to get this unfortunate fact through your thick fuckin skulls:



CLEVELAND, THE CITY, AND THE PEOPLE IN CHARGE OF CLEVELAND-SIDE ROCK HALL ADMINISTRATION HAVE ABSOLUTELY NOTHING TO DO WITH WHO GETS INDUCTED TO THE HALL. NOTHING. ZILCH. ZERO. NADA.

WHERE'S THE INDUCTION CONCERT NEARLY EVERY YEAR? NEW YORK.

GUESS WHO RUNS THE ROCK HALL AND EVERYTHING TO DO WITH WHO GETS IN? THAT BUTTFUCKING COCKSUCKING FAG JANN WENNER, HIS HIPPIE ROLLING STONE CRONIES, AND A FEW OTHER RICH NEW YORK SOCIALITES. CLEVELAND HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH IT AND IT SURE AS SHIT DOESN'T GET MUCH "PUB" FROM HAVING THE HALL HERE CONSIDERING ANY BIG ROCK HALL EVENT IS ALMOST ALWAYS CONNECTED TO NEW YORK.

Now, I hope that clears up the misconception.

That's exactly right; as a matter of fact that's why I wanted to have Charlie Brusco on. He not only manages Styx, he's on the board in Cleveland, and part of what we talked about with him is how the Museum in Cleveland actually wants to include popular bands, because they are trying to run a museum that they want people to pay to visit. Which display sells more tickets, Patti Smith, or KISS? It's a no-brainer. It is the tastes of the New York board that decide who gets into the Hall of Fame. The Cleveland board decides what exhibits to put in the Museum. The two boards rarely even meet together.

Sterling

[Rockindeano]

Why is that? Everyone in there deserves to be there.

Yea...right.

Name me one band who doesn't.

MAdonna

She absolutely does. That woman is multi talented. Writes her own materia, plays every instrument, is still relevant, she has done it all. She may be a weird kinky bitch, but who cares? You have to give it up for people who are just talented. There is NO question she belongs.

[steveo777]

Why is that? Everyone in there deserves to be there.

Yea...right.

Name me one band who doesn't.

MAdonna

She absolutely does. That woman is multi talented. Writes her own materia, plays every instrument, is still relevant, she has done it all. She may be a weird kinky bitch, but who cares? You have to give it up for people who are just talented. There is NO question she belongs.

I hate to have to agee, but I do.

[Tomulator]

I still can't believe Chicago isn't in. If they can be overlooked, I'm not surprised by anyone who's NOT in.

Yeah me either. Thats just a joke in itself. Chicago was one of the most successful rock bands of the 60s, 70s, and 80s...even had some hits into the 90s. The use of the horn section seperated them from anyother group of that time period.

Also if Kiss gets in, then the Hall has definetly lost all crediblity. I mean yes there still very popular, but to take them seriously as pioneers in rock music?? No way. They put on good shows and definetly sell their merchandise well, but as far as vocal talent, song ability, and stuff like that. The induction of REM and blondie was bad enough.

I don't know you and I'm not making any personal critique of your musical tastes, I swear....But I do think if you feel that Chicago deserves to be in the RRHOF before Blondie or REM, you're probably going to be in disagreement with 99% of the inductions and oversights of the HOF.

Jer, are you being sarcastic? Are you saying Chicago shouldn't be in? Sorry, had about a dozen too many percocets.

Thanks in advance

He Dean, I know you're probably gonna tell me to fuck off, but be careful of the pills. If you have a dozen too many, tolerance is being built. I have an uncle all fucked up because of those innocent little pills that he could finally take about 100 of.

Fuck off.

I know all about the tolerance dude. Been taking them for years. I joke here. I don't do it to get high. I really have bad knees..bone on bone in both, torn ligaments in both; torn meniscus in both; removed cartilage in both. ACL repair in left; it really is a necessity. Thanks for the genuine concern though and the advice, I appreciate that Steve.

Once I have been off of them for a week or two, then the tolerance is all but gone, and taking less rather than more is effective. However, you do need to take more like you said when the inevitable tolerance builds up. It's a real problem for me, because a person needs to walk, be active and live a normal life to keep the weight off and keep in semi decent shape. I was 290lbs 2 years ago. I was diagnosed with type 2 diabetes. Went on diabetic medication, ate right and started exercising. This year in January, right before surgery #1, I was at 238. Now since I have been off work for 50 days, I am back up to 255. I have 3 weeks to go to I can hopefully return to work. If I can walk, I can lose it all again pretty easy; however, I have to be able to walk. Right now, I am lame, to put it bluntly. While off work, I have become lazy and have not eaten well, hence the weight gain.

Thanks again Stevie.

Fuck off.

Dean,

In hindsight, would you recommend getting the ACL repair vs. simply "rehabbing" it and living with it (e.g., using a knee brace when needed, etc.)? I have a relative with a recent ACL tear and he is trying to decide which way to go...

Thx.

[Rockindeano]

Dean,

In hindsight, would you recommend getting the ACL repair vs. simply "rehabbing" it and living with it (e.g., using a knee brace when needed, etc.)? I have a relative with a recent ACL tear and he is trying to decide which way to go...

Thx.

I can answer this for you Tom.

But first I would have to ask these of you:

Is the ACL completely severed? 100% severed?
How long has it been severed?
How old is the patient?
How active(sports, etc) is the patient?
Does it give out all the time?

I had my ACL repaired. Back in 1996, it was done like this: They cut some of my Patella tendon out, and used it as as the replacement ligament. A tendon over time turns into a ligament. They used two titanium screws ($400 apiece). The doctor did a fine job, and I just saw pictures of it from last month's knee surgery, and it is still intact. The reason I elected to repair it was I play a lot of sports, and without the ACL, you just have a mushy knee, and NO stability. If I didn't play sports, I wouldn't have done it. After awhile, when the irritation has died down, and the swelling has subsided form the ACL inhury, one can walk fine, usually without pain. Sure, someday's will be better and worse than others, but by and large, if you don't play sports, you don't need to have it repaired.

As for knee braces, I am conflicted on them. I wore one in high school for basketball, after I partially tore my medial collateral ligament(inner side of the knee), and it still managed to tear and rip, even with the brace on. I found that the brace did two things however. 1) it provided some structure, but mostly it kept the knee nice and warm, hot. That made it very pliable and it felt good. I seemed to have better range of motion with it on; 2) it provided a psychological crutch. I am a firm believer that psychology is a BIg factor here. I was always "wondering" when the next time would be, when it would go again. I was afraid to jump at all, because in the bacl of my mind, I remembered that frightening feel and sound when the ligament pops. So here I am playing basketball in college, scared shitless and afraid to jump. I still to this day am afraid to jump, for fear of coming down on someone's foot and snapping the knee.

Today's doctors are so good, and the procedure is so much easier now, that it makes for an easier decision. If I was say between 20 and 45, I would do it, no question; because no one can predict the future, I would hate to see your relative really struggle in his laye 70's and 80's with a cane and unstable knee. If he gets it done, it will hold forever.

Any other questions, please feel free to ask Tommy.

[Ehwmatt]

I can't imagine not playing sports

[Tomulator]

Dean,

In hindsight, would you recommend getting the ACL repair vs. simply "rehabbing" it and living with it (e.g., using a knee brace when needed, etc.)? I have a relative with a recent ACL tear and he is trying to decide which way to go...

Thx.

I can answer this for you Tom.

But first I would have to ask these of you:

Is the ACL completely severed? 100% severed?
How long has it been severed?
How old is the patient?
How active(sports, etc) is the patient?
Does it give out all the time?

I had my ACL repaired. Back in 1996, it was done like this: They cut some of my Patella tendon out, and used it as as the replacement ligament. A tendon over time turns into a ligament. They used two titanium screws ($400 apiece). The doctor did a fine job, and I just saw pictures of it from last month's knee surgery, and it is still intact. The reason I elected to repair it was I play a lot of sports, and without the ACL, you just have a mushy knee, and NO stability. If I didn't play sports, I wouldn't have done it. After awhile, when the irritation has died down, and the swelling has subsided form the ACL inhury, one can walk fine, usually without pain. Sure, someday's will be better and worse than others, but by and large, if you don't play sports, you don't need to have it repaired.

As for knee braces, I am conflicted on them. I wore one in high school for basketball, after I partially tore my medial collateral ligament(inner side of the knee), and it still managed to tear and rip, even with the brace on. I found that the brace did two things however. 1) it provided some structure, but mostly it kept the knee nice and warm, hot. That made it very pliable and it felt good. I seemed to have better range of motion with it on; 2) it provided a psychological crutch. I am a firm believer that psychology is a BIg factor here. I was always "wondering" when the next time would be, when it would go again. I was afraid to jump at all, because in the bacl of my mind, I remembered that frightening feel and sound when the ligament pops. So here I am playing basketball in college, scared shitless and afraid to jump. I still to this day am afraid to jump, for fear of coming down on someone's foot and snapping the knee.

Today's doctors are so good, and the procedure is so much easier now, that it makes for an easier decision. If I was say between 20 and 45, I would do it, no question; because no one can predict the future, I would hate to see your relative really struggle in his laye 70's and 80's with a cane and unstable knee. If he gets it done, it will hold forever.

Any other questions, please feel free to ask Tommy.

Thx man! He gets his MRI to assess the complete damage done but, initial diagnosis is ACL tear...not sure how much yet. He is 50 y/o, plays limited "full-go" sports but, likes to golf, jog, hike, swim, etc. Just normal stuff really.

How bad was your rehab after surgery if you don't mind me asking?

[Rockindeano]

Dean,

In hindsight, would you recommend getting the ACL repair vs. simply "rehabbing" it and living with it (e.g., using a knee brace when needed, etc.)? I have a relative with a recent ACL tear and he is trying to decide which way to go...

Thx.

I can answer this for you Tom.

But first I would have to ask these of you:

Is the ACL completely severed? 100% severed?
How long has it been severed?
How old is the patient?
How active(sports, etc) is the patient?
Does it give out all the time?

I had my ACL repaired. Back in 1996, it was done like this: They cut some of my Patella tendon out, and used it as as the replacement ligament. A tendon over time turns into a ligament. They used two titanium screws ($400 apiece). The doctor did a fine job, and I just saw pictures of it from last month's knee surgery, and it is still intact. The reason I elected to repair it was I play a lot of sports, and without the ACL, you just have a mushy knee, and NO stability. If I didn't play sports, I wouldn't have done it. After awhile, when the irritation has died down, and the swelling has subsided form the ACL inhury, one can walk fine, usually without pain. Sure, someday's will be better and worse than others, but by and large, if you don't play sports, you don't need to have it repaired.

As for knee braces, I am conflicted on them. I wore one in high school for basketball, after I partially tore my medial collateral ligament(inner side of the knee), and it still managed to tear and rip, even with the brace on. I found that the brace did two things however. 1) it provided some structure, but mostly it kept the knee nice and warm, hot. That made it very pliable and it felt good. I seemed to have better range of motion with it on; 2) it provided a psychological crutch. I am a firm believer that psychology is a BIg factor here. I was always "wondering" when the next time would be, when it would go again. I was afraid to jump at all, because in the bacl of my mind, I remembered that frightening feel and sound when the ligament pops. So here I am playing basketball in college, scared shitless and afraid to jump. I still to this day am afraid to jump, for fear of coming down on someone's foot and snapping the knee.

Today's doctors are so good, and the procedure is so much easier now, that it makes for an easier decision. If I was say between 20 and 45, I would do it, no question; because no one can predict the future, I would hate to see your relative really struggle in his laye 70's and 80's with a cane and unstable knee. If he gets it done, it will hold forever.

Any other questions, please feel free to ask Tommy.

Thx man! He gets his MRI to assess the complete damage done but, initial diagnosis is ACL tear...not sure how much yet. He is 50 y/o, plays limited "full-go" sports but, likes to golf, jog, hike, swim, etc. Just normal stuff really.

How bad was your rehab after surgery if you don't mind me asking?

Back in '96, it was I imagine a bit different. I remember waking up in the hospital and my leg/knee was in a continuum motion machine. What it was doing was bending and straightening my leg/knee for me, constantly. They wanted blood flow to the area, and not stiffness.

As for rehab, I went at it hard. I was in pretty good shape then, 6'3" 220. I had to wait two weeks to begin any kind of leg workouts. Workouts are different that exercises. They have doing these light bed oriented exercises the day after surgery now. Anyway, I was riding the bike at two weeks, regaining my lost cardio, and putting some real heat into the knee. I believe I was playing golf a month out of surgery, and was doing the treadmill pretty good at a month out also.

Now you're friend is 50. I assume he isn't strapping on pads and playing 60 minutes of ice hockey or 48 minutes of full court basketball. If he is a golfer, or perhaps a beer league softballer, he'll have no problems doing those two activities. Again Tom, my biggest obstacle, aside from pain, man pain never leaves me, was and is psychological. Don't tell you're friend I am telling you this part. I don't want to plant a seed in his mind needlessly. Hopefully, he won't think twice about it, and won't have that mental block like I do. I was going to ask how he tore it? See, my initial tear was playing basketball, and that was a 20% tear to the medial collateral ligament. What happened next was horrible. Playing hockey, the blade of my skate got caught in a rut in the ice, and my leg twisted all the way around. Other players heard it pop, and they just stopped playing..that is unheard of in hockey. it was pretty bad, and to this day, I still remember it vividly. I hear it too. It haunts me all the time. When I see an athlete on tv go down, I can't watch the replay, that's how bad knee injuries hurt. Hopefully your bud didn't have a graphic episode, and he can get going again quickly.

Keep asking Tom, I'll do my best to answer for you.