AP To Sing The Phil. Nat'l. Anthem @ Pacman/Clottey Fight?

[wednesday's child]

Just like...
Arnel happens to fit at this particular moment, I suppose.

[Chubby321]

Like here the noisiest get more from the government even if majority of the people are not in favor. You cannot definitely say that the people voted the person who spearheaded the coalition to have the US presence remove from the country because US presence was probably the last in their list to worry about.

I learned that the when US left the Philippines, it was not the economy that was deeply affected but the Philippine military. The AFP relied on the US for internal and external assistance. US played a major part in training and equipping our military and a big chunk of the budget came from the US; so when the US withdrew, their budget was drastically cut, causing AFP capabilites to diminish greatly. The same happened to the Philippine Navy. I don't know how true but I read somewhere that at that time, it's the only naval force in the region without any missile capability. They have vessels with limited patrol radius that they're deemed useless. It was recorded that there were significant amount of illegal sea and air incursions but few were apprehended.

[Don]

Like here the noisiest get more from the government even if majority of the people are not in favor. You cannot definitely say that the people voted the person who spearheaded the coalition to have the US presence remove from the country because US presence was probably the last in their list to worry about.

I learned that the when US left the Philippines, it was not the economy that was deeply affected but the Philippine military. The AFP relied on the US for internal and external assistance. US played a major part in training and equipping our military and a big chunk of the budget came from the US; so when the US withdrew, their budget was drastically cut, causing AFP capabilites to diminish greatly. The same happened to the Philippine Navy. I don't know how true but I read somewhere that at that time, it's the only naval force in the region without any missile capability. They have vessels with limited patrol radius that they're deemed useless. It was recorded that there were significant amount of illegal sea and air incursions but few were apprehended.

China is the big dog in the sea now, especially in the Spratley Islands. While the Philippines has the most legitimate claim to that area, they have weakest ability out of all the claimants to assert their authority in that region of dispute.

Britain and the U.S. have both donated some very decent ships to the Navy but they still need little bit of help.

[Don]

Maybe Arroyo's husband can sell some of that expensive real estate he has in San Francisco and make a nice little donation to the Armed Forces.

[Chubby321]

Like here the noisiest get more from the government even if majority of the people are not in favor. You cannot definitely say that the people voted the person who spearheaded the coalition to have the US presence remove from the country because US presence was probably the last in their list to worry about.

I learned that the when US left the Philippines, it was not the economy that was deeply affected but the Philippine military. The AFP relied on the US for internal and external assistance. US played a major part in training and equipping our military and a big chunk of the budget came from the US; so when the US withdrew, their budget was drastically cut, causing AFP capabilites to diminish greatly. The same happened to the Philippine Navy. I don't know how true but I read somewhere that at that time, it's the only naval force in the region without any missile capability. They have vessels with limited patrol radius that they're deemed useless. It was recorded that there were significant amount of illegal sea and air incursions but few were apprehended.

China is the big dog in the sea now, especially in the Spratley Islands. While the Philippines has the most legitimate claim to that area, they have weakest ability out of all the claimants to assert their authority in that region of dispute.

Britain and the U.S. have both donated some very decent ships to the Navy but they still need little bit of help.

I heard that it has very significant oil reserves and very rich in natural resources. Aside from the Philippines and China, Vitetnam, Brunei,Malaysia and Taiwan are also trying to claim this island.

But is it true that in case of conflict (in Spratley Islands) that US will not be able to help the Philippines because of some treaty?

[Don]

Like here the noisiest get more from the government even if majority of the people are not in favor. You cannot definitely say that the people voted the person who spearheaded the coalition to have the US presence remove from the country because US presence was probably the last in their list to worry about.

I learned that the when US left the Philippines, it was not the economy that was deeply affected but the Philippine military. The AFP relied on the US for internal and external assistance. US played a major part in training and equipping our military and a big chunk of the budget came from the US; so when the US withdrew, their budget was drastically cut, causing AFP capabilites to diminish greatly. The same happened to the Philippine Navy. I don't know how true but I read somewhere that at that time, it's the only naval force in the region without any missile capability. They have vessels with limited patrol radius that they're deemed useless. It was recorded that there were significant amount of illegal sea and air incursions but few were apprehended.

China is the big dog in the sea now, especially in the Spratley Islands. While the Philippines has the most legitimate claim to that area, they have weakest ability out of all the claimants to assert their authority in that region of dispute.

Britain and the U.S. have both donated some very decent ships to the Navy but they still need little bit of help.

I heard that it has very significant oil reserves and very rich in natural resources. Aside from the Philippines and China, Vitetnam, Brunei,Malaysia and Taiwan are also trying to claim this island.

But is it true that in case of conflict (in Spratley Islands) that US will not be able to help Philippines because of some treaty?

There are overlapping treaties from ASEAN and the United Nations that the U.S. probably feels would frown in American involvement, not to mention there are multiple parties involved in the case, and up to this point, Neither the U.N. nor ASEAN recognize any part of the Spratleys as Philippine territory, the criteria needed for the U.S. invoke its commitments under the U.S./RP mutual defense treaty.

[Chubby321]

Like here the noisiest get more from the government even if majority of the people are not in favor. You cannot definitely say that the people voted the person who spearheaded the coalition to have the US presence remove from the country because US presence was probably the last in their list to worry about.

I learned that the when US left the Philippines, it was not the economy that was deeply affected but the Philippine military. The AFP relied on the US for internal and external assistance. US played a major part in training and equipping our military and a big chunk of the budget came from the US; so when the US withdrew, their budget was drastically cut, causing AFP capabilites to diminish greatly. The same happened to the Philippine Navy. I don't know how true but I read somewhere that at that time, it's the only naval force in the region without any missile capability. They have vessels with limited patrol radius that they're deemed useless. It was recorded that there were significant amount of illegal sea and air incursions but few were apprehended.

China is the big dog in the sea now, especially in the Spratley Islands. While the Philippines has the most legitimate claim to that area, they have weakest ability out of all the claimants to assert their authority in that region of dispute.

Britain and the U.S. have both donated some very decent ships to the Navy but they still need little bit of help.

I heard that it has very significant oil reserves and very rich in natural resources. Aside from the Philippines and China, Vitetnam, Brunei,Malaysia and Taiwan are also trying to claim this island.

But is it true that in case of conflict (in Spratley Islands) that US will not be able to help Philippines because of some treaty?

There are overlapping treaties from ASEAN and the United Nations that restrict American involvement because there are mutiple parties involved in the case, and up to this point, Neither the U.N. nor ASEAN recognize any part of the Spratleys as Philippine territory, the criteria needed for the U.S. invoke its commitments under the U.S./RP mutual defense treaty.

So up to now this issue is still up in the air. Oh my. But I think right now we are closely working with the US again. I think they are once again training our military and providing more funds? Yes?

[Don]

Like here the noisiest get more from the government even if majority of the people are not in favor. You cannot definitely say that the people voted the person who spearheaded the coalition to have the US presence remove from the country because US presence was probably the last in their list to worry about.

I learned that the when US left the Philippines, it was not the economy that was deeply affected but the Philippine military. The AFP relied on the US for internal and external assistance. US played a major part in training and equipping our military and a big chunk of the budget came from the US; so when the US withdrew, their budget was drastically cut, causing AFP capabilites to diminish greatly. The same happened to the Philippine Navy. I don't know how true but I read somewhere that at that time, it's the only naval force in the region without any missile capability. They have vessels with limited patrol radius that they're deemed useless. It was recorded that there were significant amount of illegal sea and air incursions but few were apprehended.

China is the big dog in the sea now, especially in the Spratley Islands. While the Philippines has the most legitimate claim to that area, they have weakest ability out of all the claimants to assert their authority in that region of dispute.

Britain and the U.S. have both donated some very decent ships to the Navy but they still need little bit of help.

I heard that it has very significant oil reserves and very rich in natural resources. Aside from the Philippines and China, Vitetnam, Brunei,Malaysia and Taiwan are also trying to claim this island.

But is it true that in case of conflict (in Spratley Islands) that US will not be able to help Philippines because of some treaty?

There are overlapping treaties from ASEAN and the United Nations that restrict American involvement because there are mutiple parties involved in the case, and up to this point, Neither the U.N. nor ASEAN recognize any part of the Spratleys as Philippine territory, the criteria needed for the U.S. invoke its commitments under the U.S./RP mutual defense treaty.

So up to now this issue is still up in the air. Oh my. But I think right now we are closely working with the US again. I think they are once again training our military and providing more funds? Yes?

In a very limited capacity. Maybe 10 to 20% of what they used to.

[Chubby321]

Like here the noisiest get more from the government even if majority of the people are not in favor. You cannot definitely say that the people voted the person who spearheaded the coalition to have the US presence remove from the country because US presence was probably the last in their list to worry about.

I learned that the when US left the Philippines, it was not the economy that was deeply affected but the Philippine military. The AFP relied on the US for internal and external assistance. US played a major part in training and equipping our military and a big chunk of the budget came from the US; so when the US withdrew, their budget was drastically cut, causing AFP capabilites to diminish greatly. The same happened to the Philippine Navy. I don't know how true but I read somewhere that at that time, it's the only naval force in the region without any missile capability. They have vessels with limited patrol radius that they're deemed useless. It was recorded that there were significant amount of illegal sea and air incursions but few were apprehended.

China is the big dog in the sea now, especially in the Spratley Islands. While the Philippines has the most legitimate claim to that area, they have weakest ability out of all the claimants to assert their authority in that region of dispute.

Britain and the U.S. have both donated some very decent ships to the Navy but they still need little bit of help.

I heard that it has very significant oil reserves and very rich in natural resources. Aside from the Philippines and China, Vitetnam, Brunei,Malaysia and Taiwan are also trying to claim this island.

But is it true that in case of conflict (in Spratley Islands) that US will not be able to help Philippines because of some treaty?

There are overlapping treaties from ASEAN and the United Nations that restrict American involvement because there are mutiple parties involved in the case, and up to this point, Neither the U.N. nor ASEAN recognize any part of the Spratleys as Philippine territory, the criteria needed for the U.S. invoke its commitments under the U.S./RP mutual defense treaty.

So up to now this issue is still up in the air. Oh my. But I think right now we are closely working with the US again. I think they are once again training our military and providing more funds? Yes?

In a very limited capacity. Maybe 10 to 20% of what they used to.

I think before more than 60% the operating funds of the APF and/or Philippine Navy came from the US and that's very significant. That means Philippine Army and Navy are still not well-equipped. It will be very hard for them to deal with external threats without the support of the region and without the assistance of the US.

I just hope for the best.

[Chubby321]

Re AP's version of Philippine National Anthem:

Somebody from AP' site mentioned that the media is feeding NHI and DOJ to make this a bigger issue. And that even though AP already made a public apology that this might not be enough. She also mentioned that if further reports are to be believed, AP might be on his way to jail.

I hope this is not true.

[steveo777]

Re AP's version of Philippine National Anthem:

Somebody from AP' site mentioned that the media is feeding NHI and DOJ to make this a bigger issue. And that even though AP already made a public apology that this might not be enough. She also mentioned that if further reports are to be believed, AP might be on his way to jail.

I hope this is not true.

Some people need to find better things to do with their time. AP is an entertainer, not jail material and what he allegedly did did not even occur on Philippine soil. In the end this will be an attempt to extort his money, you watch. I think he should get the hell out of there.

The real danger is that the people who should be proud of his accomplishments as a Pinoy are too jealous and rather than be supportive of him, they aim to break his back.

[Saint John]

AP might be on his way to jail.

Uncle Irving will take care of this. This organization is extremely loyal to the members that do their job and remain in good standing, and he certainly falls under that category. Quit worrying.

[Jana]

Re AP's version of Philippine National Anthem:

Somebody from AP' site mentioned that the media is feeding NHI and DOJ to make this a bigger issue. And that even though AP already made a public apology that this might not be enough. She also mentioned that if further reports are to be believed, AP might be on his way to jail.

I hope this is not true.

It will never happen b/c Charice nor Martin went to jail for the same thing. Plus, if they did something like that, internationally, b/c he's with Journey and the hype that went with him getting hired, it would take on a life of its own over here and make the Philippines look like idiots not supporting him, especially someone who is loyal to his country and does so much good with his charity and the hurricaine relief. No worries.

[Don]

Pineda's not going to Jail. All this proves is that Arnel's post Journey career lies here in the state's rather than in that screwed up place. Where is all the support from his entertainment peers over this issue? Dude is better off playing Vegas then working in the RP Music Biz. Fuck 'em.

[Saint John]

Your avatar cracks me up, GB.

[Don]

Your avatar cracks me up, GB.

It's fucking Benihana on a bender.

[steveo777]

Pineda's not going to Jail. All this proves is that Arnel's post Journey career lies here in the state's rather than in that screwed up place. Where is all the support from his entertainment peers over this issue? Dude is better off playing Vegas then working in the RP Music Biz. Fuck 'em.

Well, Wayne Newton has been considering retirement..........

[Don]

Pineda's not going to Jail. All this proves is that Arnel's post Journey career lies here in the state's rather than in that screwed up place. Where is all the support from his entertainment peers over this issue? Dude is better off playing Vegas then working in the RP Music Biz. Fuck 'em.

Well, Wayne Newton has been considering retirement..........

Vegas is the the Pinnacle of achievement for Filipino entertainers. Lea Salonga really being the exception as she has a Tony Award from Broadway, has starred in films here (with people like John Lithgow and Jeff Daniels) and been closely associated with Disney. For the other 99%, Las Vega is the Holy Grail.

Since Charice has an identity that isn't part of a group (Journey) but based solely on her own name, I see her really taking that next step to international stardom like Lea did.

[Chubby321]

AP might be on his way to jail.

Uncle Irving will take care of this. This organization is extremely loyal to the members that do their job and remain in good standing, and he certainly falls under that category. Quit worrying.

Nice to know. Thanks.

[Chubby321]

Pineda's not going to Jail. All this proves is that Arnel's post Journey career lies here in the state's rather than in that screwed up place. Where is all the support from his entertainment peers over this issue? Dude is better off playing Vegas then working in the RP Music Biz. Fuck 'em.

So far I know of only three celebrities that voiced their opinion in favor of AP, Martin, Charice and Aiza.

I agree that he's better off here.

[Chubby321]

Re AP's version of Philippine National Anthem:

Somebody from AP' site mentioned that the media is feeding NHI and DOJ to make this a bigger issue. And that even though AP already made a public apology that this might not be enough. She also mentioned that if further reports are to be believed, AP might be on his way to jail.

I hope this is not true.

Some people need to find better things to do with their time. AP is an entertainer, not jail material and what he allegedly did did not even occur on Philippine soil. In the end this will be an attempt to extort his money, you watch. I think he should get the hell out of there.

The real danger is that the people who should be proud of his accomplishments as a Pinoy are too jealous and rather than be supportive of him, they aim to break his back.

Believe Gunny when he said Arnel fronting an American band is a big no no to some.

[Chubby321]

Re AP's version of Philippine National Anthem:

Somebody from AP' site mentioned that the media is feeding NHI and DOJ to make this a bigger issue. And that even though AP already made a public apology that this might not be enough. She also mentioned that if further reports are to be believed, AP might be on his way to jail.

I hope this is not true.

It will never happen b/c Charice nor Martin went to jail for the same thing. Plus, if they did something like that, internationally, b/c he's with Journey and the hype that went with him getting hired, it would take on a life of its own over here and make the Philippines look like idiots not supporting him, especially someone who is loyal to his country and does so much good with his charity and the hurricaine relief. No worries.

I agree Jana, AP is very loyal to his country and that alone should be enough for this issue to go away.

[wednesday's child]

Re AP's version of Philippine National Anthem:

Somebody from AP' site mentioned that the media is feeding NHI and DOJ to make this a bigger issue. And that even though AP already made a public apology that this might not be enough. She also mentioned that if further reports are to be believed, AP might be on his way to jail.

I hope this is not true.

It will never happen b/c Charice nor Martin went to jail for the same thing. Plus, if they did something like that, internationally, b/c he's with Journey and the hype that went with him getting hired, it would take on a life of its own over here and make the Philippines look like idiots not supporting him, especially someone who is loyal to his country and does so much good with his charity and the hurricaine relief. No worries.

I agree Jana, AP is very loyal to his country and that alone should be enough for this issue to go away.

Issue?
It's a legal non-issue.
NHI just wants artists to stop fucking around too much with the national anthem,
and is just making noise to let other artists know it.

Fact remains, Arnel bombed on the anthem, because he treated it as a chance to
showboat, more than as an honor and patriotic privilege; and because his voice
just wasn't up to the task that HE (not the anthem) set out for it.

[Chubby321]

Re AP's version of Philippine National Anthem:

Somebody from AP' site mentioned that the media is feeding NHI and DOJ to make this a bigger issue. And that even though AP already made a public apology that this might not be enough. She also mentioned that if further reports are to be believed, AP might be on his way to jail.

I hope this is not true.

It will never happen b/c Charice nor Martin went to jail for the same thing. Plus, if they did something like that, internationally, b/c he's with Journey and the hype that went with him getting hired, it would take on a life of its own over here and make the Philippines look like idiots not supporting him, especially someone who is loyal to his country and does so much good with his charity and the hurricaine relief. No worries.

I agree Jana, AP is very loyal to his country and that alone should be enough for this issue to go away.

Issue?
It's a legal [b]non-issue.[/b]
NHI just wants artists to stop fucking around too much with the national anthem,
and is just making noise to let other artists know it.

Fact remains, Arnel bombed on the anthem, because he treated it as a chance to
showboat, more than as an honor and patriotic privilege; and because his voice
just wasn't up to the task that HE (not the anthem) set out for it.

Do you know,per Wiki that...
R.A. 8491 specifies that Lupang Hinirang "shall be in accordance with the musical arrangement and composition of Julian Felipe." However, when literally followed, this means that the national anthem should only be performed by a pianist or by a brass band, as these were the only versions that were produced by Julian Felipe.

Fucking too much with national anthem and just making noise? Are you kidding me? Why don't they make noise all the time and not only during high profile events? How about starting with the elected officials and require them to sing the national anthem with "fervor". Then imposed it on everyone and not a selected few. What are they going to do with people singing the laziest version and people who are out of tune from start to finish.

[brywool]

are you kidding me? Go stab your fellow countryman in the back, why don't you?

The National Historical Institute said Sunday it is filing a complaint against Journey lead singer Arnel Pineda for changing the tone and tempo of the Philippine national anthem when he sang it before the Pacquiao-Clottey bout in Texas.

Pineda sang the anthem “Lupang Hinirang" (Beloved Land) during Pacquiao’s successful bout against Joshua Clottey of Ghana on Saturday (Sunday in Manila), his powerful, high-pitched voice filling the Cowboys Stadium in Arlington, Texas.

But Teddy Atienza, chief of the Heraldry Section of the NHI, was not pleased. A “24 Oras" report quoted him as saying that they would file a complaint against Pineda before the Department of Justice for his “wrong" version of the national anthem.

The NHI is the government body tasked to ensure respect for the national anthem, Philippine flag and other national symbols.

Under Section 37 of Republic Act 8491 or the Flag and Heraldic Code, the national anthem must be sung in accordance with the original musical arrangement of composer Julian Felipe, who gave it a marching tempo. Violators may be fined P5,000 to P20,000 or jailed for a year.

Pineda, for his part, defended his version, saying he sang it with all his heart. He said he would ask his lawyer to deal with the complaint once it is filed.

Pineda, who rose to fame in 2007 when members of the US-based band discovered him on YouTube, belted out before a crowd of almost 51,000 boxing fans his somewhat slow rendition of "Lupang Hinirang".

Is ScarabGator behind this????

[steveo777]

are you kidding me? Go stab your fellow countryman in the back, why don't you?

The National Historical Institute said Sunday it is filing a complaint against Journey lead singer Arnel Pineda for changing the tone and tempo of the Philippine national anthem when he sang it before the Pacquiao-Clottey bout in Texas.

Pineda sang the anthem “Lupang Hinirang" (Beloved Land) during Pacquiao’s successful bout against Joshua Clottey of Ghana on Saturday (Sunday in Manila), his powerful, high-pitched voice filling the Cowboys Stadium in Arlington, Texas.

But Teddy Atienza, chief of the Heraldry Section of the NHI, was not pleased. A “24 Oras" report quoted him as saying that they would file a complaint against Pineda before the Department of Justice for his “wrong" version of the national anthem.

The NHI is the government body tasked to ensure respect for the national anthem, Philippine flag and other national symbols.

Under Section 37 of Republic Act 8491 or the Flag and Heraldic Code, the national anthem must be sung in accordance with the original musical arrangement of composer Julian Felipe, who gave it a marching tempo. Violators may be fined P5,000 to P20,000 or jailed for a year.

Pineda, for his part, defended his version, saying he sang it with all his heart. He said he would ask his lawyer to deal with the complaint once it is filed.

Pineda, who rose to fame in 2007 when members of the US-based band discovered him on YouTube, belted out before a crowd of almost 51,000 boxing fans his somewhat slow rendition of "Lupang Hinirang".

Is ScarabGator behind this????

Scarab probably detected a slight eyeroll when he sang it.

[etcetera]

Issue?
It's a legal non-issue.
NHI just wants artists to stop fucking around too much with the national anthem,
and is just making noise to let other artists know it.

Fact remains, Arnel bombed on the anthem, because he treated it as a chance to
showboat, more than as an honor and patriotic privilege; and because his voice
just wasn't up to the task that HE (not the anthem) set out for it.

Do you know,per Wiki that...

R.A. 8491 specifies that Lupang Hinirang "shall be in accordance with the musical arrangement and composition of Julian Felipe." However, when literally followed, this means that the national anthem should only be performed by a pianist or by a brass band, as these were the only versions that were produced by Julian Felipe.

Fucking too much with national anthem and just making noise? Are you kidding me? Why don't they make noise all the time and not only during high profile events? How about starting with the elected officials and require them to sing the national anthem with "fervor". Then imposed it on everyone and not a selected few. What are they going to do with people singing the laziest version and people who are out of tune from start to finish.

Jail?...What's up with jumping the gun? Rest assured that the issue's been rendered moot and academic.

[Rip Rokken]

Fact remains, Arnel bombed on the anthem, because he treated it as a chance to showboat, more than as an honor and patriotic privilege; and because his voice just wasn't up to the task that HE (not the anthem) set out for it.

Not true, and no one else that was present seemed to think so either. Enough of this wankery, por favor.

[Jana]

Fact remains, Arnel bombed on the anthem, because he treated it as a chance to showboat, more than as an honor and patriotic privilege; and because his voice just wasn't up to the task that HE (not the anthem) set out for it.

Not true, and no one else that was present seemed to think so either. Enough of this wankery, por favor.

great avatar.

[Rip Rokken]

Fact remains, Arnel bombed on the anthem, because he treated it as a chance to showboat, more than as an honor and patriotic privilege; and because his voice just wasn't up to the task that HE (not the anthem) set out for it.

Not true, and no one else that was present seemed to think so either. Enough of this wankery, por favor.

great avatar.

Why, thanks!