President Barack Obama - Term 1 and 2 Thread

[Ehwmatt]

The first one was a response to your comment that the attempt to get them to viably demonstrate their assertions about the healthcare plan was "Nazi-esque". Mainly, that's because it's all part of a propagandist campaign to smear the truth, and it's mainly being done by Fox and its cronies.

If that's what you want to call elected government officials exercising draconian power over your business by forcing you to disclose communications among corporate officers and trying to force you to personally appear on Capitol Hill just because you exercised your right to free speech in speaking out against a government policy, then that's your prerogative. I just feel bad for you. You do realize they aren't asking these officers to do these things out of the goodness of the corporate officers hearts, don't you? They can jail you over this shit if they want.

It's got nothing to do with Fox news or propaganda.

My company received the same bullshit types of "disclosure requests" and thinly veiled threats from Gestapo Waxman last summer... and my company isn't even a public or national company.

[conversationpc]

The first one was a response to your comment that the attempt to get them to viably demonstrate their assertions about the healthcare plan was "Nazi-esque". Mainly, that's because it's all part of a propagandist campaign to smear the truth, and it's mainly being done by Fox and its cronies.

If that's what you want to call elected government officials exercising draconian power over your business by forcing you to disclose communications among corporate officers and trying to force you to personally appear on Capitol Hill just because you exercised your right to free speech in speaking out against a government policy, then that's your prerogative. I just feel bad for you. You do realize they aren't asking these officers to do these things out of the goodness of the corporate officers hearts, don't you? They can jail you over this shit if they want.

It's got nothing to do with Fox news or propaganda.

My company received the same bullshit types of "disclosure requests" and thinly veiled threats from Gestapo Waxman last summer... and my company isn't even a public or national company.

The government has no business asking for communications from business leaders to their employees. If it's a criminal matter, it should be first handled by the police. Since this isn't what that's about, it's only purely an exercise in draconian power.

[Ehwmatt]

The first one was a response to your comment that the attempt to get them to viably demonstrate their assertions about the healthcare plan was "Nazi-esque". Mainly, that's because it's all part of a propagandist campaign to smear the truth, and it's mainly being done by Fox and its cronies.

If that's what you want to call elected government officials exercising draconian power over your business by forcing you to disclose communications among corporate officers and trying to force you to personally appear on Capitol Hill just because you exercised your right to free speech in speaking out against a government policy, then that's your prerogative. I just feel bad for you. You do realize they aren't asking these officers to do these things out of the goodness of the corporate officers hearts, don't you? They can jail you over this shit if they want.

It's got nothing to do with Fox news or propaganda.

My company received the same bullshit types of "disclosure requests" and thinly veiled threats from Gestapo Waxman last summer... and my company isn't even a public or national company.

The government has no business asking for communications from business leaders to their employees. If it's a criminal matter, it should be first handled by the police. Since this isn't what that's about, it's only purely an exercise in draconian power.

Exactly Dave. If these guys don't even raise an eyebrow at this notion, I truly give up.

[Behshad]

OK , so Matt gave up. Who's next ?!

[RossValoryRocks]

And I mean it...nothing is better for troop morale than the Command-In-Chief coming to visit.

Good job to Obama for this one.

[RedWingFan]

And I mean it...nothing is better for troop morale than the Command-In-Chief coming to visit.

Good job to Obama for this one.

Even if he's coming to take a bunch of jets, tanks and rifles to pay for his bs healthcare plan?

[7 Wishes]

Wow. Talk about irrelevance.

How is he "failing" to "invest in America's long-term securities [and]...confront her enemies on the world stage"? That's just ridiculous. We're still at war in Iraq (although we never should have been) and he's escalated Afghanistan. Unlike Bush, the 9/11 terrorists will be tried in military, as opposed to civil, courts.

This fanatical cutting-and-pasting of articles written by misinformed ultra-conservative neo-cons is laughable.

And you have yet to address the GOP's forcing through the 2003 Part D Medicare Act via reconciliation (and the ill-advised tax cuts for the rich) that cost more (and was entirely defecit-funded). No surprise there.

[conversationpc]

And you have yet to address the GOP's forcing through the 2003 Part D Medicare Act via reconciliation (and the ill-advised tax cuts for the rich) that cost more (and was entirely defecit-funded). No surprise there.

So what does the Republicans using that tactic have to do with anything? If it was wrong then, it should be wrong now, correct? My understanding is it's only intended to be used for budgets and budget-related items. Besides that, the whole Medicare Prescription drug thing has been a fiasco, costing the country perhaps billions of dollars, a mere shadow of things to come with the healthcare bill, in my opinion.

[steveo777]

Who campaigned on the following?

Supports a National Health Insurance program for people who do not have employer-provided health care and do not qualify for other existing federal programs. Would mandate health insurance coverage for children but not for adults.

Would require employers that do not provide health coverage for employees to to pay into his proposed National Health Insurance program.

The $50 Billion to $65 Billion price tag would be paid for by discontinuing Bushs tax cuts for those earning more than $250,000 a year.

You guessed it...The Won..guess Joe Wilson was right...he lies...

http://www.uschambermagazine.com/sites/ ... thcare.pdf



So now everyone is mandated for coverage, the tax increases are going to hit everyone not just the +$250K crowd, and the price tag is just shy (if you believe the estimates) of $1 Trillion Dollars.

This is a far far cry from $50 to $65 Billion my friends.

Lets see B deny that.

Since I was never known for my intellect, I'll sum this one up in two words. We're fucked!

[donnaplease]

This health bill is all fucked up guys...6 ways from Sunday.

They actually forgot to put the kids in the bill... (I'm not laughing at kids folks)

This is what happens when no one understands or has read the law being written. Oh my sides!!!!

To insurance companies, the language of the law is not so clear.

Insurers agree that if they provide insurance for a child, they must cover pre-existing conditions. But, they say, the law does not require them to write insurance for the child and it does not guarantee the “availability of coverage” for all until 2014.

William G. Schiffbauer, a lawyer whose clients include employers and insurance companies, said: “The fine print differs from the larger political message. If a company sells insurance, it will have to cover pre-existing conditions for children covered by the policy. But it does not have to sell to somebody with a pre-existing condition. And the insurer could increase premiums to cover the additional cost.”

Congressional Democrats were furious when they learned that some insurers disagreed with their interpretation of the law.

Heard about this driving into work this AM. Could get really dicey...

[7 Wishes]

This is predictable. Of course they're going to attempt to weasel out of it any way they can. This, too, will blow over - no way does this happen. The courts will throw it out if it goes that far. Lawmakers know more about the semantics and nuances of phraseology than overpaid corporate attorneys.

[7 Wishes]

Even if he's coming to take a bunch of jets, tanks and rifles to pay for his bs healthcare plan?

Another typical GOP smear. Funding towards those projects has not been cut. Blah blah blah, RWF. It just goes on and on and on.

[hoagiepete]

This is predictable. Of course they're going to attempt to weasel out of it any way they can. This, too, will blow over - no way does this happen. The courts will throw it out if it goes that far. Lawmakers know more about the semantics and nuances of phraseology than overpaid corporate attorneys.

Our country would be a better place if they threw them all out...lawmakers AND attorneys. Lawmakers don't come to DC and become good at writing laws for the people, they become good at screwing the other party. Throw em out and start over.

[conversationpc]

This is predictable. Of course they're going to attempt to weasel out of it any way they can. This, too, will blow over - no way does this happen. The courts will throw it out if it goes that far. Lawmakers know more about the semantics and nuances of phraseology than overpaid corporate attorneys.

Unfortunately for lawmakers, it's lawyers and judges (mostly former attorneys) who are responsible for interpreting it and determining whether it passes constitutional muster or not. In the meantime, hopefully it will be either defunded or rendered obsolete by individual state laws.

[RedWingFan]

Even if he's coming to take a bunch of jets, tanks and rifles to pay for his bs healthcare plan?

Another typical GOP smear. Funding towards those projects has not been cut. Blah blah blah, RWF. It just goes on and on and on.

He still has another 3 years. Stay awhile and watch, Professor Jones!

[7 Wishes]

Actually, Congress will dictate the particularities of the bill. It's part of the legislative process. So, people NOT elected to public office will have very little impact on the language of the final law.

[Saint John]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SQf20ep5 ... re=related

[7 Wishes]

You guys realize the Bush family coddled the Bin Laden family right after 9/11, right?

[7 Wishes]

Not that they would have had any information on his whereabouts, or anything.

[Behshad]

"At the time, 1996, he had committed no crime against America, so I did not bring him here because we had no basis on which to hold him." __Bill Clnton

Glad you copy and paste for us too and save us from looking up answers


Funny how you defend the great old Bin Laden daddy but had 9/11 happened during Clintons time on office you wouldve totally changed your tone.

[Behshad]

Not that they would have had any information on his whereabouts, or anything.

Clinton didn't kill him.

Bush Sr couldn't kill Saddam you're weak Alan. What happened ?!

[conversationpc]

You guys realize the Bush family coddled the Bin Laden family right after 9/11, right?

Another crap assertion that was answered long ago...It's well known that most of the members of the Bin Laden family were estranged from Osama and do/did not condone his actions. I don't blame anyone for allowing/helping them to leave considering they have the same last name as the terrorist who was behind the attacks on 9/11.

[conversationpc]

"At the time, 1996, he had committed no crime against America, so I did not bring him here because we had no basis on which to hold him." __Bill Clnton

Glad you copy and paste for us too and save us from looking up answers


Funny how you defend the great old Bin Laden daddy but had 9/11 happened during Clintons time on office you wouldve totally changed your tone.

Both Clinton and Bush had terrorist attacks happen on their watch. Doesn't mean either of them is directly responsible for either incident.

[Behshad]

"At the time, 1996, he had committed no crime against America, so I did not bring him here because we had no basis on which to hold him." __Bill Clnton

Glad you copy and paste for us too and save us from looking up answers


Funny how you defend the great old Bin Laden daddy but had 9/11 happened during Clintons time on office you wouldve totally changed your tone.

Both Clinton and Bush had terrorist attacks happen on their watch. Doesn't mean either of them is directly responsible for either incident.

Youre absolutely correct.
But the attack that happened during Bushs term was of a much bigger caliber. Plus Bush had all the power in his hands to go get Bin Laden. Many other counties wouldve helped him to go full force and find BinLaden. But Bush chose to go to Iraq instead and lost the alliance we had against Bin Laden and true terrorism.

[Behshad]

You guys realize the Bush family coddled the Bin Laden family right after 9/11, right?

Another crap assertion that was answered long ago...It's well known that most of the members of the Bin Laden family were estranged from Osama and do/did not condone his actions. I don't blame anyone for allowing/helping them to leave considering they have the same last name as the terrorist who was behind the attacks on 9/11.

but can you imagine what Rush, RushWingFan and RushFinder wouldve been saying about this , had it been Obama sending relatives of a terrorist home ?! That fat fucker piece of shit , wouldve had a heart attack behind the mic , screaming his tiny nuts of calling Obama a terrorist lover , minutes after Obame wouldve send them home.

[conversationpc]

but can you imagine what Rush, RushWingFan and RushFinder wouldve been saying about this , had it been Obama sending relatives of a terrorist home ?! That fat fucker piece of shit , wouldve had a heart attack behind the mic , screaming his tiny nuts of calling Obama a terrorist lover , minutes after Obame wouldve send them home.

I couldn't care less what they would've said about it.

[Behshad]

but can you imagine what Rush, RushWingFan and RushFinder wouldve been saying about this , had it been Obama sending relatives of a terrorist home ?! That fat fucker piece of shit , wouldve had a heart attack behind the mic , screaming his tiny nuts of calling Obama a terrorist lover , minutes after Obame wouldve send them home.

I couldn't care less what they would've said about it.

You're correct again :)

[RedWingFan]

but can you imagine what Rush, RushWingFan and RushFinder wouldve been saying about this , had it been Obama sending relatives of a terrorist home ?! That fat fucker piece of shit , wouldve had a heart attack behind the mic , screaming his tiny nuts of calling Obama a terrorist lover , minutes after Obame wouldve send them home.

I couldn't care less what they would've said about it.

You're correct again :)

I think Bush should have waterboarded every last one of them along with the detainees we hold. I'm consistent. You're not!

[RedWingFan]

The first good thing Obama has done since he's been in office. If he does end up following through.

http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE62T06520100330

(Reuters) - The Obama administration is expected to announce by Wednesday its updated plan for oil and natural gas drilling in U.S. waters, including whether to allow exploration for the first time along the U.S. East Coast.


The plan could pave the way for a significant new domestic source of energy, helping to reduce U.S. dependence on oil imports and boost supplies of natural gas used to displace coal in power plants as the country works to reduce emissions of climate-changing greenhouse gases.

Last month, Interior Secretary Ken Salazar said he wanted to release the updated drilling plan by the end of March.

Two industry sources said on Monday President Barack Obama was expected to give a speech about energy security on Wednesday, which could include his views on expansion of offshore drilling.

The Interior Department and White House declined comment on Monday on whether Obama would speak to the issue in a speech slated for mid-morning on Wednesday at Andrews Air Force Base in Maryland.

[conversationpc]

The first good thing Obama has done since he's been in office. If he does end up following through.

http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE62T06520100330

(Reuters) - The Obama administration is expected to announce by Wednesday its updated plan for oil and natural gas drilling in U.S. waters, including whether to allow exploration for the first time along the U.S. East Coast.


The plan could pave the way for a significant new domestic source of energy, helping to reduce U.S. dependence on oil imports and boost supplies of natural gas used to displace coal in power plants as the country works to reduce emissions of climate-changing greenhouse gases.

Last month, Interior Secretary Ken Salazar said he wanted to release the updated drilling plan by the end of March.

Two industry sources said on Monday President Barack Obama was expected to give a speech about energy security on Wednesday, which could include his views on expansion of offshore drilling.

The Interior Department and White House declined comment on Monday on whether Obama would speak to the issue in a speech slated for mid-morning on Wednesday at Andrews Air Force Base in Maryland.

Just posted that on Facebook and totally agree.