Well, it looks like Neal meant it this time!

[jrnyman28]

Unless we get news about the departure of Cain in the next few days, I seriously doubt it.

Instead of mentioning the solid rock album I initially was going to post something about Cain's demise...

[Jana]

So, is that 12 tracks? Doesn't seem like they took more time with this release then with any of their others. And now we wait until the first of the year, di ba?

Yeah, what was all this hooplah that it was going to take until the end of June. What the hell is AP gonna do now, go back to PI and sing Bryan Adams and Bon Jovi songs in bars until his gigs in July?

Just because they are done with the basic tracks of the songs does not mean the work is done. There will certainly be overdubs, layering, BGVox, effects added. And the largest amount of time needs to be placed on this period where the songs are truly crafted. They need to SOUND fantastic, which is something the band has struggled with in the post-Perry era until Revelation.

What I find interesting is EVERY post Neal made about the songs was that they rocked. He never mentioned one "ballad". So I would guess "rocked" just means he is pleased with them. OR did he really pull off a solid ROCK album? Doubtful...

Unless we get news about the departure of Cain in the next few days, I seriously doubt it.

Me too.

Dora!

I can't think of any band that doesn't put out a great ballad or two on an album. Look at what all the JSS fans are swooning to on W.E.T., the ballads. They're a necessary emotional component needed to balance a great rock album. Without a few great rock ballads on an album, I'm not interested.

[jrnyman28]

I can't think of any band that doesn't put out a great ballad or two on an album. Look at what all the JSS fans are swooning to on W.E.T., the ballads. They're a necessary emotional component needed to balance a great rock album. Without a few great rock ballads on an album, I'm not interested.

There was a time, but it has long since passed. Although could you say AC/DC has any ballads??

[JRNYFan]

5/21

The Last track scheduled for our next album was cut today, and what a SMOKIN Track!!!!! With the majority of my guitar work done I can relaxxxxxxx...and enjoy...)))~~~~~~~... Cheers and have a Great weekend Everybody!!!!

[Saint John]

The faster they're done with the actual recording of the album the better. Just like the old days. Focus, create magic and get the fuck out, and let it be produced (a huge key to a great album). Historically, the longer Journey is in the studio the shittier the product. Fuck, Generations must have been locked in a time capsule.

[Don]

The faster they're done with the actual recording of the album the better. Just like the old days. Focus, create magic and get the fuck out, and let it be produced (a huge key to a great album). Historically, the longer Journey is in the studio the shittier the product. Fuck, Generations must have been locked in a time capsule.

I agree with this, If it isn't coming naturally and you start tinkering around with shit and grasping for ideas, you get something like Generations.

[Rick]

The faster they're done with the actual recording of the album the better. Just like the old days. Focus, create magic and get the fuck out, and let it be produced (a huge key to a great album). Historically, the longer Journey is in the studio the shittier the product. Fuck, Generations must have been locked in a time capsule.

I agree with this, If it isn't coming naturally and you start tinkering around with shit and grasping for ideas, you get something like Generations.

It seems like they're banging this out in record time, so hopefully, it'll be alright. I just want some great rockers. I know those fuckers have it in them.

[Don]

The faster they're done with the actual recording of the album the better. Just like the old days. Focus, create magic and get the fuck out, and let it be produced (a huge key to a great album). Historically, the longer Journey is in the studio the shittier the product. Fuck, Generations must have been locked in a time capsule.

I agree with this, If it isn't coming naturally and you start tinkering around with shit and grasping for ideas, you get something like Generations.

It seems like they're banging this out in record time, so hopefully, it'll be alright. I just want some great rockers. I know those fuckers have it in them.

According to Neal, they're just using the same three chords over and over again. How hard can it be?

[Saint John]

The faster they're done with the actual recording of the album the better. Just like the old days. Focus, create magic and get the fuck out, and let it be produced (a huge key to a great album). Historically, the longer Journey is in the studio the shittier the product. Fuck, Generations must have been locked in a time capsule.

I agree with this, If it isn't coming naturally and you start tinkering around with shit and grasping for ideas, you get something like Generations.

It seems like they're banging this out in record time, so hopefully, it'll be alright. I just want some great rockers. I know those fuckers have it in them.

According to Neal, they're just using the same three chords over and over again. How hard can it be?

Honestly, Journey music has never been intricate/out-of-the-box arrangements, with the exception of a few great songs (Mother, Father and When You Love A Woman immediately come to mind). Just let it rip and live with the creative results. Stone In Love is a perfect example of that.

[The_Noble_Cause]

I agree with this, If it isn't coming naturally and you start tinkering around with shit and grasping for ideas, you get something like Generations.

Eh, it always seemed to me that Generations was the result of Neal's 'one take and done' mentality. Shirley's the guy who's always asking them to try new things, or rehearse before they record.

[Saint John]

I agree with this, If it isn't coming naturally and you start tinkering around with shit and grasping for ideas, you get something like Generations.

Eh, it always seemed to me that Generations was the result of Neal's 'one take and done' mentality. Shirley's the guy who's always asking them to try new things, or rehearse before they record.

That may very well be true, but I'm sure it was hard to dig deep into the creative bucket knowing your lead singer would probably never be able to perform the songs live. Escape, if I remember correctly, was done in 3 short weeks. Think about ROR and TBF, FTLOSM and Against The Wall ... longer projects that turned out to be absolute snooze fests. But, then again, they don't have a "crooner" worried about making sappy ballads and reggae chants deciding the band's direction anymore.

[The_Noble_Cause]

That may very well be true, but I'm sure it was hard to dig deep into the creative bucket knowing your lead singer would probably never be able to perform the songs live.

Yea, in addition to Augeri's toasted vox, I think they also stopped caring once Arrival flopped. Remember, at one point Cain even said the band was done releasing full albums and would only put out EPs from then on. If Revelation hadn't done well, the same creative apathy probably would've taken hold.

[Saint John]

Remember, at one point Cain even said the band was done releasing full albums and would only put out EPs from then on.

I totally forgot about that. Nice flashback.

If Revelation hadn't done well, the same creative apathy probably would've taken hold.

Probably. But Journey had a lot of things working against them for quite some time. Being the person that grabbed the baton from Perry's hand as he reluctantly entered his career's grave, he (Augeri) had the dubious and unfair comparisons of having every note, movement, lyric and mannerism scrutinized. Pineda, being the second singer since Perry quit, has time and talent on his side. Add to that the rebirth of 80's music and Arnel's built-in fanbase, and you have a level playing field. And that's something Augeri was never really afforded ... regardless of whether or not he really had the chops to sing lead for the band. For the record, I really don't think he ever did. But a nicer guy you'll never meet.

[Andrew]

I agree with this, If it isn't coming naturally and you start tinkering around with shit and grasping for ideas, you get something like Generations.

Eh, it always seemed to me that Generations was the result of Neal's 'one take and done' mentality. Shirley's the guy who's always asking them to try new things, or rehearse before they record.

Generations was the result of needing to cover for their lead singer at the time. No disrespect to Steve, as we know what he was going thru and I've told him so, but the rest of the guys only sang to minimize the work Steve A had to do to get the album done.

[steveo777]

I agree with this, If it isn't coming naturally and you start tinkering around with shit and grasping for ideas, you get something like Generations.

Eh, it always seemed to me that Generations was the result of Neal's 'one take and done' mentality. Shirley's the guy who's always asking them to try new things, or rehearse before they record.

Generations was the result of needing to cover for their lead singer at the time. No disrespect to Steve, as we know what he was going thru and I've told him so, but the rest of the guys only sang to minimize the work Steve A had to do to get the album done.

Translation: Steve #2 was toast.

[jrnyman28]

I agree with this, If it isn't coming naturally and you start tinkering around with shit and grasping for ideas, you get something like Generations.

Eh, it always seemed to me that Generations was the result of Neal's 'one take and done' mentality. Shirley's the guy who's always asking them to try new things, or rehearse before they record.

Generations was the result of needing to cover for their lead singer at the time. No disrespect to Steve, as we know what he was going thru and I've told him so, but the rest of the guys only sang to minimize the work Steve A had to do to get the album done.

While that has long been the speculation, that is (I think) the first time I have seen this in print by anyone of any sort of authority on the situation.

Beating the dead horse: It is obvious Generations was not a cohesive unit but an amalgamation of parts. Very little care and creativity...

[Since 78]

I agree with this, If it isn't coming naturally and you start tinkering around with shit and grasping for ideas, you get something like Generations.

Eh, it always seemed to me that Generations was the result of Neal's 'one take and done' mentality. Shirley's the guy who's always asking them to try new things, or rehearse before they record.

Generations was the result of needing to cover for their lead singer at the time. No disrespect to Steve, as we know what he was going thru and I've told him so, but the rest of the guys only sang to minimize the work Steve A had to do to get the album done.

While that has long been the speculation, that is (I think) the first time I have seen this in print by anyone of any sort of authority on the situation.

Beating the dead horse: It is obvious Generations was not a cohesive unit but an amalgamation of parts. Very little care and creativity...

I agree with the above from Andrew, however, it may have something to do with the lack of success with red 13 also. they put out something very un Journey and very good in my opinion, got negative feedback and viola we have sappy Generations. Hopefully Neal will ignore everyone this time.

[Red13JoePa]

I don't think you can call Generations sappy with songs like the original FITH, TPIYH, OOHW, all among the best rock work they've done.

It's a fine album, degraded (mostly after the fact, especially HERE) by speculation masquerading as gospel about Augeri. I guess he (somehow) lipped all his vocals on Generations too.

[Since 78]

I don't think you can call Generations sappy with songs like the original FITH, TPIYH, OOHW, all among the best rock work they've done.

It's a fine album, degraded (mostly after the fact, especially HERE) by speculation masquerading as gospel about Augeri. I guess he (somehow) lipped all his vocals on Generations too.

Oh, there are some great songs there, I like the album. Just saying it was back to "The same formula" and the first song mentioned is usually Butterfly.

[Red13JoePa]

That's fine but EVERY Journey (and rock album for that matter) has sap or you're ACDC or pre- 5150 Van Halen.
Butterfly's no sappier than City Of The Angels ("Walking And Talking And Laughing About... ), and given the important subject matter I'd say a BETTER Journey sappy song.

[The_Noble_Cause]

Generations was the result of needing to cover for their lead singer at the time. No disrespect to Steve, as we know what he was going thru and I've told him so, but the rest of the guys only sang to minimize the work Steve A had to do to get the album done.

Fans assumed as much on this very forum. Neal then went out of his way to flatly deny this in a subsequent interview, dissing internet whiners, and saying that each member took turns singing because they genuinely wanted to. Of course, it was apparent what was really going on.

In the end, the use of multiple vocalists is the least of Generations' flaws. It all comes down to song choice. Aside from a handful of strong tracks (FITH, TPIYH, OOHW, BTC), the cd doesn't measure up - especially after four years of waiting post-Arrival.

[Jana]

That's fine but EVERY Journey (and rock album for that matter) has sap or you're ACDC or pre- 5150 Van Halen.
Butterfly's no sappier than City Of The Angels ("Walking And Talking And Laughing About... ), and given the important subject matter I'd say a BETTER Journey sappy song.

I love Perry's delivery (one of my favorites songs), but how about these lyrics. Sappy gets a bad rap on here.

Oo, I'm cryin', tears are fallin' down.
I'm cryin' the lonely tears of clowns.
I'm tryin' to wear a smilin' face.
It was just yesterday things then they felt okay.
Now that has all gone away.


Oo, I'm cryin' the only tears of clowns.
I'm tryin' tryin' and rain's fallin' down.
I'm cryin' and that's a lonely place.
If I could hide the pain, if I could stop the rain,
Then all my cryin' could be gone.


Oo, rain, who will stop the rain, the rain?
Oo, I'm cryin', the tears are fallin' down.
I'm tryin', the rain still beats the ground.
I'm cryin' those lonely tears of clowns.


Lonely, lonely tears,
Lonely, lonely tears

[Since 78]

That's fine but EVERY Journey (and rock album for that matter) has sap or you're ACDC or pre- 5150 Van Halen.
Butterfly's no sappier than City Of The Angels ("Walking And Talking And Laughing About... ), and given the important subject matter I'd say a BETTER Journey sappy song.

Ok, lets change sappy to ballad heavy. My point was that Id rather have a full CD like Red 13. Now, a ballad like WAFTE is something I can live with.

For the record, City of the Angels kills Butterfly.

[ChildInTime]

That's fine but EVERY Journey (and rock album for that matter) has sap or you're ACDC or pre- 5150 Van Halen.
Butterfly's no sappier than City Of The Angels ("Walking And Talking And Laughing About... ), and given the important subject matter I'd say a BETTER Journey sappy song.

I love Perry's delivery (one of my favorites songs), but how about these lyrics. Sappy gets a bad rap on here.

Oo, I'm cryin', tears are fallin' down.
I'm cryin' the lonely tears of clowns.
I'm tryin' to wear a smilin' face.
It was just yesterday things then they felt okay.
Now that has all gone away.


Oo, I'm cryin' the only tears of clowns.
I'm tryin' tryin' and rain's fallin' down.
I'm cryin' and that's a lonely place.
If I could hide the pain, if I could stop the rain,
Then all my cryin' could be gone.


Oo, rain, who will stop the rain, the rain?
Oo, I'm cryin', the tears are fallin' down.
I'm tryin', the rain still beats the ground.
I'm cryin' those lonely tears of clowns.


Lonely, lonely tears,
Lonely, lonely tears

Ouch... O_o

Those lyrics ain't just sappy, they're kinda bad in general. Luckily I really like the vocals and guitar work in that song, too, or else it just wouldn't work out. But seriously. The lyrics are probably the weakest part of Journey (Classic Journey, anyway. Haven't listened to the uber-new stuff yet.). Thankfully everything else makes up for it.

[Red13JoePa]

But what great blues HAD great lyrics, like "I'm Cryin'" they were ALL simpleton lyrics, viewed on paper? Have to hear them in the framework of the tune and I'm Cryin' smolders.
Gotta hear the song, and kudos to Perry for penning the best blues rock # of all time, L, T, S.

[Jana]

But what great blues HAD great lyrics, like "I'm Cryin'" they were ALL simpleton lyrics, viewed on paper? Have to hear them in the framework of the tune and I'm Cryin' smolders.
Gotta hear the song, and kudos to Perry for penning the best blues rock # of all time, L, T, S.

I'm Cryin' is one of the Journey songs that I never tire of and blows me away. Steve Perry at his best in his early years and he took a song with not much in lyrics and simple and was flat-out amazing on his delivery and loved Neal on there.

[ChildInTime]

That's what I was saying, though, that even though the lyrics were eh, the rest was awesome and more than made up for it. I just tend to be a bit overly critical of lyrics at times, I'll be the first to admit it.

[Red13JoePa]

So it seems the 3rd singer's inability to satsify a woman paid off a little for the band

[Chubby321]

Per sb 5/24

According to Arnel, one week more and they're done. He also said and I quote "we are filming today" but he did not elaborate why or what for. Hmmmmm.

[steveo777]

Per sb 5/24

According to Arnel, one week more and they're done. He also said and I quote "we are filming today" but he did not elaborate why or what for. Hmmmmm.

Filming could be for promo purposes OR a final part of the documentary.