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Postby Art Vandelay » Tue Jun 29, 2010 7:12 am

Jana wrote:
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Jana wrote:B/c Journey/Perry was perferable. But if that didn't happen, solo Perry vs. Journey with Rolie/Chalfant is a different story re venues, corporate backing, etc.


I'm not so sure about that....Perry and Journey were still synonymous at the time. I really don't think a Perry-less tour would have sold arenas...not after the band being gone for eight years. They toured the same small theaters with Augeri that Perry played AFTER TBF was released and they were back in the public eye.


Rolie back with them and maybe Chalfant b/c of Storm's success would have been different. And Steve Smith would have been with them. I think a much better draw than with Augeri, and they might have drawn bigger venues.


No doubt bigger than Augeri's tour. My wish at the time was to have seen solo Perry and the Rolie line-up. Best of both worlds!

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Postby Don » Tue Jun 29, 2010 7:12 am

Depends when the material would have come out. During the last year of grunge or right after it, like TBF.
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Postby Monker » Tue Jun 29, 2010 7:14 am

Art Vandelay wrote:
AlteredDNA wrote:
Art Vandelay wrote:
Monker wrote:
Art Vandelay wrote:
Art Vandelay wrote:
Jana wrote:
portland wrote:
Art Vandelay wrote:Just for shits & giggles...

David Lee Roth performed VH material on his solo tours (so did/does Sammy).

Dianna Ross performed Supremes material on her solo tours.

Dennis DeYoung performed Styx material on his solo tours.

Stevie Nicks did it minus the Mac. Don Henley did it without the Eagles.

Michael McDonald performs Doobie Brothers material on his solo tours.

So does Dion (minus the Belmonts) and Frankie Valli (minus the Four Seasons).

Anyone ever heard of Paul McCartney, for Christ's sake???

Phil Collins made the decision to not cross his material with Genesis material while on tour. His solo career was just as successful, so there was no need.

Why should Perry get blasted for performing material live that he's mostly known for?




Cause it made Neal mad......???????????????


Mostly Neal was mad and said F'ck Him b/c Perry said they were cracking the stone when Perry left them high and dry and they were moving on, when, in reality, here Perry was the one out there playing Journey music all alone first on his solo tour. Read your history, Princess of Darkness.


Ok, but what does that mean? Did he cost them any money or time for this? Were they all not performing and touring at some capacity at this point (Bad English, The Storm, Hardline, Vital Information)?


And if you really want to read into history, keep in mind that FTLOSM came out just when Journey was planning to reform with Chalfant on vocals. WOrd of this started around '92-'93. Perry addresses this on the Much Music interview (which unfortunately is no longer available on Youtube). He wishes them well. Now let's all step back in time here...Journey and SP haven't been heard from in 8 years. Had the new Journey decided to go out on tour at this time, who do you think the general public would pay to see? The VOICE of Journey, or the original band with someone who sounds like the VOICE. Make sense now why Neal was so pissed?


This is so lame.

How can you predict AT ALL who 'the public' would come to see back in 1995? Keep in mind that Journey was reforming with Chalfant AND Rolie, basicaly combining the Storm with Journey. Asuuming that Perry would outsell that lineup is a HUGE guess...and I don't think a very accurate one. Perry was selling theaters. Journey sells to arenas. Journey would get more corporate backing from the name alone...and more radio time because of the history - and recent success of the Storm.

You are all also taking an article from 1995 and relating it to a Neal interview from 2008 where he is STILL angry about Perry's BTM comments from 2000...and saying it is because Perry went on tour and performed a Journey set. Neal was pissed because of Perry's comments in the BTM and people still giving it some kind of credit that is not due. Perry had no right to tell Journey what to do - he took a seat on the bench. When you do that, don't expect the rest of the team to listen to you.


So why didn't they? Where was the Sony love?


Because there was no tour? Image


Thank you, Captain Obvious :wink:


Are people in this forum so ignorant about the band nowadays?

You are talking about yet a THIRD thing...Journey with Augeri. You are now comparing Perry solo to Journey with Chalfant/Rolie and basing your opinion on what happened with Journey with Augeri. You are comparing apples to lemons to pears. Quite honestly, you look clueless and have no idea what you are talking about.

Again, for those who are so ignorant. Journey was basically DISBANDED after TBF. They REFORMED with Augeri and Deen. They had to prove themselves ALL OVER AGAIN before Sony would release an album. They did that with TWO tours. THAT is a totally different situation then 1995 where Journey was moving forward without Perry...and then Perry decides he wants to join the band again.

Also, again for the ignorant, corporate sponsorship does not = Sony. For Journey, that equals a company like Budweiser.
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Postby Don » Tue Jun 29, 2010 7:18 am

So, has it ever come out how they broke the news to Rolie, Chalfant and eventually Herbie that theirs services were not needed?
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Postby Art Vandelay » Tue Jun 29, 2010 7:21 am

Monker wrote:
Art Vandelay wrote:
AlteredDNA wrote:
Art Vandelay wrote:
Monker wrote:
Art Vandelay wrote:
Art Vandelay wrote:
Jana wrote:
portland wrote:
Art Vandelay wrote:Just for shits & giggles...

David Lee Roth performed VH material on his solo tours (so did/does Sammy).

Dianna Ross performed Supremes material on her solo tours.

Dennis DeYoung performed Styx material on his solo tours.

Stevie Nicks did it minus the Mac. Don Henley did it without the Eagles.

Michael McDonald performs Doobie Brothers material on his solo tours.

So does Dion (minus the Belmonts) and Frankie Valli (minus the Four Seasons).

Anyone ever heard of Paul McCartney, for Christ's sake???

Phil Collins made the decision to not cross his material with Genesis material while on tour. His solo career was just as successful, so there was no need.

Why should Perry get blasted for performing material live that he's mostly known for?




Cause it made Neal mad......???????????????


Mostly Neal was mad and said F'ck Him b/c Perry said they were cracking the stone when Perry left them high and dry and they were moving on, when, in reality, here Perry was the one out there playing Journey music all alone first on his solo tour. Read your history, Princess of Darkness.


Ok, but what does that mean? Did he cost them any money or time for this? Were they all not performing and touring at some capacity at this point (Bad English, The Storm, Hardline, Vital Information)?


And if you really want to read into history, keep in mind that FTLOSM came out just when Journey was planning to reform with Chalfant on vocals. WOrd of this started around '92-'93. Perry addresses this on the Much Music interview (which unfortunately is no longer available on Youtube). He wishes them well. Now let's all step back in time here...Journey and SP haven't been heard from in 8 years. Had the new Journey decided to go out on tour at this time, who do you think the general public would pay to see? The VOICE of Journey, or the original band with someone who sounds like the VOICE. Make sense now why Neal was so pissed?


This is so lame.

How can you predict AT ALL who 'the public' would come to see back in 1995? Keep in mind that Journey was reforming with Chalfant AND Rolie, basicaly combining the Storm with Journey. Asuuming that Perry would outsell that lineup is a HUGE guess...and I don't think a very accurate one. Perry was selling theaters. Journey sells to arenas. Journey would get more corporate backing from the name alone...and more radio time because of the history - and recent success of the Storm.

You are all also taking an article from 1995 and relating it to a Neal interview from 2008 where he is STILL angry about Perry's BTM comments from 2000...and saying it is because Perry went on tour and performed a Journey set. Neal was pissed because of Perry's comments in the BTM and people still giving it some kind of credit that is not due. Perry had no right to tell Journey what to do - he took a seat on the bench. When you do that, don't expect the rest of the team to listen to you.


So why didn't they? Where was the Sony love?


Because there was no tour? Image


Thank you, Captain Obvious :wink:


Are people in this forum so ignorant about the band nowadays?

You are talking about yet a THIRD thing...Journey with Augeri. You are now comparing Perry solo to Journey with Chalfant/Rolie and basing your opinion on what happened with Journey with Augeri. You are comparing apples to lemons to pears. Quite honestly, you look clueless and have no idea what you are talking about.

Again, for those who are so ignorant. Journey was basically DISBANDED after TBF. They REFORMED with Augeri and Deen. They had to prove themselves ALL OVER AGAIN before Sony would release an album. They did that with TWO tours. THAT is a totally different situation then 1995 where Journey was moving forward without Perry...and then Perry decides he wants to join the band again.

Also, again for the ignorant, corporate sponsorship does not = Sony. For Journey, that equals a company like Budweiser.


Ignorant? When in Rome, dude. This whole thread stems from an interview saying that Neal wanted Perry back in the band instead of him touring on his own. Contradicts the talk of Perry deciding to re-join on his own:
"Schon says he and other band members feel that Perry - who's been selling out theaters the last year playing Journey's best stuff - should be doing this with the whole band for much more money, and in bigger halls. Considering the reunion fever (and cash) in rock today, who can blame them?"
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Postby Saint John » Tue Jun 29, 2010 7:22 am

Don wrote:
Jana wrote:"Don’t go out and play these songs with someone else and crack the stone. Well, he did the same thing, way before we did! He went out on a solo tour, a solo Steve Perry tour, where none of us were invited…I mean, we’re completely done. I told you about the VH1 thing, which is true, about crackin’ the stone - I’ve been wanting to set that straight for a while. It’s the truth. So fuck him". Neal Schon 2008


Maybe that's why Neal doesn't want Arnel to sing any Journey tunes on his solo tour, besides the fact that Arnel solo will outdraw Neal solo at about 10 to 1, just like Perry did.


Invalid argument. If Neal were to play Journey songs under the band's name (like you're suggesting Pineda would do) Pineda wouldn't outdraw them 10 to 1. You're comparing apples to to dingleberries. :lol:
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Postby Saint John » Tue Jun 29, 2010 7:26 am

Michigan Girl wrote:Cracking the Stone was using the Journey name ...not singing the songs!! :wink:


Yeah, can't imagine why the founding member and the only person to contribute on every Journey song ever made would want to continue on with the band he founded, and has played every Journey live show ever performed. Singer quits so you have to change the name? I say bullshit.
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Postby Don » Tue Jun 29, 2010 7:27 am

Saint John wrote:
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Jana wrote:"Don’t go out and play these songs with someone else and crack the stone. Well, he did the same thing, way before we did! He went out on a solo tour, a solo Steve Perry tour, where none of us were invited…I mean, we’re completely done. I told you about the VH1 thing, which is true, about crackin’ the stone - I’ve been wanting to set that straight for a while. It’s the truth. So fuck him". Neal Schon 2008


Maybe that's why Neal doesn't want Arnel to sing any Journey tunes on his solo tour, besides the fact that Arnel solo will outdraw Neal solo at about 10 to 1, just like Perry did.


Invalid argument. If Neal were to play Journey songs under the band's name (like you're suggesting Pineda would do) Pineda wouldn't outdraw them 10 to 1. You're comparing apples to to dingleberries. :lol:


If Neal would do it under the band's name, then it would be Journey regardless who the singer is. Arnel wouldn't be touring under Journey's name if he performed those songs on his upcoming tour. How did I imply that?
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Postby Jana » Tue Jun 29, 2010 7:27 am

Don wrote:So, has it ever come out how they broke the news to Rolie, Chalfant and eventually Herbie that theirs services were not needed?


Wow. I would love to be a fly on the wall for that. Chalfant would understand better b/c it's a label push, too, and businesswise he would understand. But, especially, I guess b/c Rolie and Herbie could legitimately still assume they would be in the mix with Perry coming on board until . . . . well, they weren't wanted. :wink:
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Postby Jana » Tue Jun 29, 2010 7:28 am

Saint John wrote:
Michigan Girl wrote:Cracking the Stone was using the Journey name ...not singing the songs!! :wink:


Yeah, can't imagine why the founding member and the only person to contribute on every Journey song ever made would want to continue on with the band he founded, and has played every Journey live show ever performed. Singer quits so you have to change the name? I say bullshit.


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Postby Don » Tue Jun 29, 2010 7:32 am

So, we can we say in that instance, Neal didn't use his clout as band founder and leader to stand up for Gregg and Herbie? He had a singer already in Chalfant, why didn't he go tell Perry to take a hike?
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Postby Saint John » Tue Jun 29, 2010 7:34 am

Don wrote:So, we can we say in that instance, Neal didn't use his clout as band founder and leader to stand up for Gregg and Herbie? He had a singer already in Chalfant, why didn't he go tell Perry to take a hike?


His goal was to give the fans the most famous lineup and make megabucks. It's a business, first and foremost, and he had very little choice in the matter. In theory, you're raising a valid point, but, in reality, you're not.
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Postby Monker » Tue Jun 29, 2010 7:37 am

Art Vandelay wrote:
Monker wrote:
Art Vandelay wrote:
AlteredDNA wrote:
Art Vandelay wrote:
Monker wrote:
Art Vandelay wrote:
Art Vandelay wrote:
Jana wrote:
portland wrote:
Art Vandelay wrote:Just for shits & giggles...

David Lee Roth performed VH material on his solo tours (so did/does Sammy).

Dianna Ross performed Supremes material on her solo tours.

Dennis DeYoung performed Styx material on his solo tours.

Stevie Nicks did it minus the Mac. Don Henley did it without the Eagles.

Michael McDonald performs Doobie Brothers material on his solo tours.

So does Dion (minus the Belmonts) and Frankie Valli (minus the Four Seasons).

Anyone ever heard of Paul McCartney, for Christ's sake???

Phil Collins made the decision to not cross his material with Genesis material while on tour. His solo career was just as successful, so there was no need.

Why should Perry get blasted for performing material live that he's mostly known for?




Cause it made Neal mad......???????????????


Mostly Neal was mad and said F'ck Him b/c Perry said they were cracking the stone when Perry left them high and dry and they were moving on, when, in reality, here Perry was the one out there playing Journey music all alone first on his solo tour. Read your history, Princess of Darkness.


Ok, but what does that mean? Did he cost them any money or time for this? Were they all not performing and touring at some capacity at this point (Bad English, The Storm, Hardline, Vital Information)?


And if you really want to read into history, keep in mind that FTLOSM came out just when Journey was planning to reform with Chalfant on vocals. WOrd of this started around '92-'93. Perry addresses this on the Much Music interview (which unfortunately is no longer available on Youtube). He wishes them well. Now let's all step back in time here...Journey and SP haven't been heard from in 8 years. Had the new Journey decided to go out on tour at this time, who do you think the general public would pay to see? The VOICE of Journey, or the original band with someone who sounds like the VOICE. Make sense now why Neal was so pissed?


This is so lame.

How can you predict AT ALL who 'the public' would come to see back in 1995? Keep in mind that Journey was reforming with Chalfant AND Rolie, basicaly combining the Storm with Journey. Asuuming that Perry would outsell that lineup is a HUGE guess...and I don't think a very accurate one. Perry was selling theaters. Journey sells to arenas. Journey would get more corporate backing from the name alone...and more radio time because of the history - and recent success of the Storm.

You are all also taking an article from 1995 and relating it to a Neal interview from 2008 where he is STILL angry about Perry's BTM comments from 2000...and saying it is because Perry went on tour and performed a Journey set. Neal was pissed because of Perry's comments in the BTM and people still giving it some kind of credit that is not due. Perry had no right to tell Journey what to do - he took a seat on the bench. When you do that, don't expect the rest of the team to listen to you.


So why didn't they? Where was the Sony love?


Because there was no tour? Image


Thank you, Captain Obvious :wink:


Are people in this forum so ignorant about the band nowadays?

You are talking about yet a THIRD thing...Journey with Augeri. You are now comparing Perry solo to Journey with Chalfant/Rolie and basing your opinion on what happened with Journey with Augeri. You are comparing apples to lemons to pears. Quite honestly, you look clueless and have no idea what you are talking about.

Again, for those who are so ignorant. Journey was basically DISBANDED after TBF. They REFORMED with Augeri and Deen. They had to prove themselves ALL OVER AGAIN before Sony would release an album. They did that with TWO tours. THAT is a totally different situation then 1995 where Journey was moving forward without Perry...and then Perry decides he wants to join the band again.

Also, again for the ignorant, corporate sponsorship does not = Sony. For Journey, that equals a company like Budweiser.


Ignorant? When in Rome, dude. This whole thread stems from an interview saying that Neal wanted Perry back in the band instead of him touring on his own. Contradicts the talk of Perry deciding to re-join on his own:
"Schon says he and other band members feel that Perry - who's been selling out theaters the last year playing Journey's best stuff - should be doing this with the whole band for much more money, and in bigger halls. Considering the reunion fever (and cash) in rock today, who can blame them?"


Whatever, I already pointed this out a few posts ago. Any way you look at it - the fans were lied to by somebody. If you believe Neal, then the BS is coming from the Perry calling Jonathan story. Believe the story in the BTM, then Neal is lying above.

Quite honestly, I think a little of both is true, and neither is telling the full story. Perry knew Journey was going on without him....so it would not surprise me at all if that phone call happened. After that phone call, it would not surprise me at all if Sony and Neal wanted Perry "at all costs". BTW, there is also an interview from back then where Neal says Perry is going to rejoin the band even if they have to hold him down and torture him. Perry's lie is that he initiated the reunion. Neal's lie is exaggerating how much time it took to convince Perry to join the band.

And, finally, if you notice the last bit of the article - it was written AFTER the band meeting took place...So, Neal already knew Perry was in and Gregg/Chalfant were out. They were keeping it a bit quiet and uncertain in these interviews because Perry was canceling and not rescheduling the rest of his tour.
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Postby Don » Tue Jun 29, 2010 7:38 am

Saint John wrote:
Don wrote:So, we can we say in that instance, Neal didn't use his clout as band founder and leader to stand up for Gregg and Herbie? He had a singer already in Chalfant, why didn't he go tell Perry to take a hike?


His goal was to give the fans the most famous lineup and make megabucks. It's a business, first and foremost, and he had very little choice in the matter. In theory, you're raising a valid point, but, in reality, you're not.


I knew the answer would be the money, I just wanted to be validated. Which brings me to the second question. How much money did/ does Perry have, compared to the other members where he could leave a big payday on the table at the last second? Were they all being paid equally from 81 through 86? What was the real split?
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Postby Michigan Girl » Tue Jun 29, 2010 7:39 am

Saint John wrote:
Michigan Girl wrote:Cracking the Stone was using the Journey name ...not singing the songs!! :wink:


Yeah, can't imagine why the founding member and the only person to contribute on every Journey song ever made would want to continue on with the band he founded, and has played every Journey live show ever performed. Singer quits so you have to change the name? I say bullshit.
Hey, I was stating a fact, back off, Bluto!! :wink:

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Postby Monker » Tue Jun 29, 2010 7:41 am

Don wrote:So, we can we say in that instance, Neal didn't use his clout as band founder and leader to stand up for Gregg and Herbie? He had a singer already in Chalfant, why didn't he go tell Perry to take a hike?


Hell no he didn't. He wanted the reunion $'s that Sony which were certain to be a party of a reunion deal with Sony.

Have you not seen that $'s is what motivates this band....much more then music?
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Postby Saint John » Tue Jun 29, 2010 7:41 am

Michigan Girl wrote:
Saint John wrote:
Michigan Girl wrote:Cracking the Stone was using the Journey name ...not singing the songs!! :wink:


Yeah, can't imagine why the founding member and the only person to contribute on every Journey song ever made would want to continue on with the band he founded, and has played every Journey live show ever performed. Singer quits so you have to change the name? I say bullshit.
Hey, I was stating a fact, back off, Bluto!! :wink:

a singer ...lol


I truly believe that if Perry could have used the Journey name he would have. But, he couldn't, so he trumped up this tear jerker of a bogus excuse to line up his militant and predominantly overweight fanbase against the rest of the band. :wink: Bluto? :lol: :evil: :lol: :x
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Postby Michigan Girl » Tue Jun 29, 2010 8:33 am

Saint John wrote:
Michigan Girl wrote:
Saint John wrote:
Michigan Girl wrote:Cracking the Stone was using the Journey name ...not singing the songs!! :wink:


Yeah, can't imagine why the founding member and the only person to contribute on every Journey song ever made would want to continue on with the band he founded, and has played every Journey live show ever performed. Singer quits so you have to change the name? I say bullshit.
Hey, I was stating a fact, back off, Bluto!! :wink:

a singer ...lol


I truly believe that if Perry could have used the Journey name he would have. But, he couldn't, so he trumped up this tear jerker of a bogus excuse to line up his militant and predominantly overweight fanbase against the rest of the band. :wink: Bluto? :lol: :evil: :lol: :x
I can't believe you have even entertained that thought ...are you just trying out new material?!?!
This fat~ass is headed to the gym ...I want to look good on the you-tubey's after this upcoming show!! :D :wink:
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Postby Saint John » Tue Jun 29, 2010 10:36 am

Michigan Girl wrote:
Saint John wrote:
Michigan Girl wrote:
Saint John wrote:
Michigan Girl wrote:Cracking the Stone was using the Journey name ...not singing the songs!! :wink:


Yeah, can't imagine why the founding member and the only person to contribute on every Journey song ever made would want to continue on with the band he founded, and has played every Journey live show ever performed. Singer quits so you have to change the name? I say bullshit.
Hey, I was stating a fact, back off, Bluto!! :wink:

a singer ...lol


I truly believe that if Perry could have used the Journey name he would have. But, he couldn't, so he trumped up this tear jerker of a bogus excuse to line up his militant and predominantly overweight fanbase against the rest of the band. :wink: Bluto? :lol: :evil: :lol: :x
I can't believe you have even entertained that thought ...are you just trying out new material?!?!
This fat~ass is headed to the gym ...I want to look good on the you-tubey's after this upcoming show!! :D :wink:



You're not fat and you know it. And what show are you referring to?
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Postby Michigan Girl » Tue Jun 29, 2010 12:52 pm

lol ...I was being facetious, SJ, based on>>>> ...It is rumored former vocalist Steve Perry recently handed
Kevin Shirley solo material to mix and master.


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Postby Tomulator » Tue Jun 29, 2010 9:21 pm

Don wrote:So, we can we say in that instance, Neal didn't use his clout as band founder and leader to stand up for Gregg and Herbie? He had a singer already in Chalfant, why didn't he go tell Perry to take a hike?


Because Chalfant wasn't one-third the singer/performer Perry was.

Simply put.

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Postby donnaplease » Tue Jun 29, 2010 10:31 pm

Saint John wrote:
Michigan Girl wrote:Cracking the Stone was using the Journey name ...not singing the songs!! :wink:


Yeah, can't imagine why the founding member and the only person to contribute on every Journey song ever made would want to continue on with the band he founded, and has played every Journey live show ever performed. Singer quits so you have to change the name? I say bullshit.


In theory, you're raising a valid point, but, in reality, you're not. :wink:
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Postby Eric » Wed Jun 30, 2010 12:00 am

Don wrote:So, has it ever come out how they broke the news to Rolie, Chalfant and eventually Herbie that theirs services were not needed?


I would love more detail on this. It only comes out in drips and drabs - usually subtlety.
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