New Album

[Monker]

Now they want to move into some weird Hindu music, I wonder how all of these new Arnel fans are going to respond to that...Hindu inspired concept albums is not exactly what Arnel has been singing in the past. Are there any clips on YouTube of Arnel singing Kashmir? I doubt it.

Monker...how the fuck do you know how this new album will sound? "Hindu inspired"? That's laughable!

cuz I read a quote from Neal or Jonathan in one of these forums that is the style of music they are writing.

And, yes, it IS laughable.

So Neal's trading his guitar for a sitar?

Here's the link:

http://forums.melodicrock.com/phpBB/vie ... du&start=0

Read the note that Don posted. Toward the bottom Jonathan is quoted as saying they are writing a concept album using ancient Hindu inspired music. Bleh.

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When he's in Marin, Jonathan and Journey are in Berkeley's Fantasy Studios, working on a new concept album with what he describes as an "Eastern ancient Hindu spiritual theme."

"It's a big departure from anything we've done in the past," he said.

[fightingilliniJRNY]

Monker...how the fuck do you know how this new album will sound? "Hindu inspired"? That's laughable!

Jonathan Cain said in an interview that they are working with an "eastern ancient Hindu spiritual theme" for this upcoming album. Take that for what it's worth...

[Since 78]

Monker...how the fuck do you know how this new album will sound? "Hindu inspired"? That's laughable!

Jonathan Cain said in an interview that they are working with an "eastern ancient Hindu spiritual theme" for this upcoming album. Take that for what it's worth...

Well, make up your mind people! A new direction not the "legacy sound" was OK when it was JSS, although I don't really think things would have changed much, except less DD, because there would have been vocal issues shortly.
Now they're trying something different and the same people are complaining.

[Rick]

Now they want to move into some weird Hindu music, I wonder how all of these new Arnel fans are going to respond to that...Hindu inspired concept albums is not exactly what Arnel has been singing in the past. Are there any clips on YouTube of Arnel singing Kashmir? I doubt it.

Monker...how the fuck do you know how this new album will sound? "Hindu inspired"? That's laughable!

cuz I read a quote from Neal or Jonathan in one of these forums that is the style of music they are writing.

And, yes, it IS laughable.

So Neal's trading his guitar for a sitar?

Here's the link:

http://forums.melodicrock.com/phpBB/vie ... du&start=0

Read the note that Don posted. Toward the bottom Jonathan is quoted as saying they are writing a concept album using ancient Hindu inspired music. Bleh.

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When he's in Marin, Jonathan and Journey are in Berkeley's Fantasy Studios, working on a new concept album with what he describes as an "Eastern ancient Hindu spiritual theme."

"It's a big departure from anything we've done in the past," he said.

Damn. Sitars, pan flutes and thumbas then.

[Saint John]

I think Neal was talking about the album title and some of the artwork.

[Eric]

popular as '86? I know this is a joke...lol!

Revelation tour was equally successful as the ROR tour.....

In terms of?!?!
Don't insult me w/something like body count or I'll be LMAO all afternoon!!

Look at type of venues, number of dates and attendance. Also, the quality of it was better than that rushed pop piece of shit ROR.

I'd rather have a 'rushed pop piece of shit' then a piece of shit attempting to mimic their sound from up to 30yrs ago, including the piece of shit of ROR.

Which is more of a piece of shit? The piece of shit, or the piece of shit that follows and mimics it?

I'd take Revelation over ROR all day everyday.....

Some of you are bitter because you predicted the demise of Journey because they pissed you off in some way, yet they have gotten better and more popular over the last 12 years....

I was pissed when they shitcanned JSS and rambled angry sarcastic posts about them too. But I then admitted I was wrong when they came out with an entirely new album and had 2 great tours.

[steveo777]

popular as '86? I know this is a joke...lol!

Revelation tour was equally successful as the ROR tour.....

In terms of?!?!
Don't insult me w/something like body count or I'll be LMAO all afternoon!!

Look at type of venues, number of dates and attendance. Also, the quality of it was better than that rushed pop piece of shit ROR.

I'd rather have a 'rushed pop piece of shit' then a piece of shit attempting to mimic their sound from up to 30yrs ago, including the piece of shit of ROR.

Which is more of a piece of shit? The piece of shit, or the piece of shit that follows and mimics it?

I'd take Revelation over ROR all day everyday.....

Some of you are bitter because you predicted the demise of Journey because they pissed you off in some way, yet they have gotten better and more popular over the last 12 years....

I was pissed when they shitcanned JSS and rambled angry sarcastic posts about them too. But I then admitted I was wrong when they came out with an entirely new album and had 2 great tours.

Half new

[SF-Dano]

Monker...how the fuck do you know how this new album will sound? "Hindu inspired"? That's laughable!

Jonathan Cain said in an interview that they are working with an "eastern ancient Hindu spiritual theme" for this upcoming album. Take that for what it's worth...

Well, make up your mind people! A new direction not the "legacy sound" was OK when it was JSS, although I don't really think things would have changed much, except less DD, because there would have been vocal issues shortly.
Now they're trying something different and the same people are complaining.

Exactly. And even if the new music has an eastern "feel", it could still be good music. When it comes to the music, this band has not made that many mistakes. They just don't do what some fans want/expect and these fans don't let go and grill them for everything and anything for freakin' ever.

You know I haven't liked Metallica's music since "And Justice for All", but you won't find me on one of their boards, years later, still bashing the band because of their changes in personnel or musical direction.

[fredinator]

I'll Cover You and We Will Meet Again both have an eastern flavor to them; either Neal or someone else played a sitar in one or both of them or something that certainly sounds like a sitar. That's why WWMA is one of my top 5--reminds me of George Harrison when he played his sitar--just a phenomenal sound, beautiful and other-worldly...

[swataz]

Ross is a bass player. For what Journey is, he's fine.

I agree with this. He is more than adequate for Journey. Actually, his playing may have regressed a bit from the pre-Perry years. But for the style of music they play now, he is fine. But it would be interesting to see what a player like an Entwistle, La Rue, or even Lee would sound like in this band.

Personally? I'd say 'out of place'!

[steveo777]

I'll Cover You and We Will Meet Again both have an eastern flavor to them; either Neal or someone else played a sitar in one or both of them or something that certainly sounds like a sitar. That's why WWMA is one of my top 5--reminds me of George Harrison when he played his sitar--just a phenomenal sound, beautiful and other-worldly...

Some of that going on in the extended version of What I Needed that they played in Manila and Hawaii.

[The_Noble_Cause]

From all accounts, the next album is a rocker. I thought the Hindu theme refered only to the story of the concept album, and NOT the actual music. And even if it does, I really doubt Neal would throw the baby out with the bathwater. Y'know, State of Grace features middle eastern chords, but it's still Journey.

[Andrew]

From all accounts, the next album is a rocker.

But with 2 Arnel written ballads already confirmed + the "must have" JCain ballads.... 4 out of 12 tracks is about as rocking as they always promise then never deliver.

I'm anticipating the album though...loved the last one.

[The_Noble_Cause]

From all accounts, the next album is a rocker.

But with 2 Arnel written ballads already confirmed + the "must have" JCain ballads.... 4 out of 12 tracks is about as rocking as they always promise then never deliver.

I'm anticipating the album though...loved the last one.

True, true. And just how much continuity can there be with the album’s concept/storyline, with Arnel off writing songs in his homeland? Judging by the generic titles of his contributions, “To Whom It May Concern” and “She's A Mystery” , the material sounds like more standard issue Journey pop to me. My guess - by the time the cds are ready to be pressed, the whole concept idea will be dropped.

[Monker]

I'd take Revelation over ROR all day everyday.....

They are both mediocre pop crap. The only real difference is one was the original and one was following that 'legacy'.

[Monker]

From all accounts, the next album is a rocker. I thought the Hindu theme refered only to the story of the concept album, and NOT the actual music. And even if it does, I really doubt Neal would throw the baby out with the bathwater. Y'know, State of Grace features middle eastern chords, but it's still Journey.

"One More" on TBF is more in line with what I would think of as "Hindu music". I *LIKE* "One More"...a lot, actually. But an entire album of that style is overwhelming...We are not talking about Page and Plant who can get away with that style. I don't see how it can work...especially when so many Arnel fans are used to him crooning the crooning tunes of others, and Journey's recent propping up of the 'legacy sound'. It's not what people in general are going to expect...unless they follow this band closely - and most of the people who bought Revelation and tickets do not...they are in it for the nostalgia and the legacy sound.

[Monker]

My guess - by the time the cds are ready to be pressed, the whole concept idea will be dropped.

I don't think so...Neal has talked about doing a concept album all the way back to shortly after Arrival. It's probably something he's been stewing over for a long time.

[The_Noble_Cause]

I don't think so...Neal has talked about doing a concept album all the way back to shortly after Arrival. It's probably something he's been stewing over for a long time.

And each time, it has fallen to the wayside, just like so many of his ideas since re-forming. Why would this time be any different?

[Andrew]

I don't think so...Neal has talked about doing a concept album all the way back to shortly after Arrival. It's probably something he's been stewing over for a long time.

And each time, it has fallen to the wayside, just like so many of his ideas since re-forming. Why would this time be any different?

I love the mood of One More. Would love to hear a dark, moody, rocking concept album. Here's hoping.

[Chubby321]

I don't think so...Neal has talked about doing a concept album all the way back to shortly after Arrival. It's probably something he's been stewing over for a long time.

And each time, it has fallen to the wayside, just like so many of his ideas since re-forming. Why would this time be any different?

I love the mood of One More. Would love to hear a dark, moody, rocking concept album. Here's hoping.

I really like that song. One of the best Journey songs in my book.

[SF-Dano]

I don't think so...Neal has talked about doing a concept album all the way back to shortly after Arrival. It's probably something he's been stewing over for a long time.

And each time, it has fallen to the wayside, just like so many of his ideas since re-forming. Why would this time be any different?

I love the mood of One More. Would love to hear a dark, moody, rocking concept album. Here's hoping.

I really like that song. One of the best Journey songs in my book.

+1 on One More. Real cool drums from Smitty on that one too.

[Eric]

I thought the Hindu theme referred only to the story of the concept album

That was my initial thought upon hearing that as well.....

[Eric]

I don't think so...Neal has talked about doing a concept album all the way back to shortly after Arrival. It's probably something he's been stewing over for a long time.

And each time, it has fallen to the wayside, just like so many of his ideas since re-forming. Why would this time be any different?

I love the mood of One More. Would love to hear a dark, moody, rocking concept album. Here's hoping.

I like the song, but I don't want a whole album of dark moody songs.....that's NOT Journey. Journey is positive, hopeful music. The 90's and grunge was the dark and moody vibe that I hope is gone. How to be positive and hopeful without re-hashing old stuff and being cheesy is difficult, but I hope they can achieve it.

[Eric]

But an entire album of that style is overwhelming...

Agreed.

It's not what people in general are going to expect...unless they follow this band closely - and most of the people who bought Revelation and tickets do not...they are in it for the nostalgia and the legacy sound.

Plus, Journey does a good job of creating a tour sound that matches the album, maybe not so much so as during the Escape and Frontiers tours..but still...how do you take the feel good conquer the world happy sound of DSB and fit it in with a dark and moody vibe sound?

[Eric]

I'd take Revelation over ROR all day everyday.....

They are both mediocre pop crap. The only real difference is one was the original and one was following that 'legacy'.

That is an opinion, albeit one shared by the vast majority. However, my original point was that Journey's Revelation tour was as successful as their ROR was - and I stand by that. (And I do realize that says more about the ROR tour being a steep fall from Escape and Frontiers than it says Revelation was asteep climb from Arrival Red13 and Generations.

I guess the thing is, my thinking is that because we're talking about their 4th post-Perry album and now their yet to be released 5th post-Perry album, that in itself is proof they have moved on and are an active entity. AND THAT, was all I cared about happening back in the mid 90's when I dreamed of new Journey music on your board, Monker. They have 50+ new songs since they came back....and its going to end up close to 100 I think. Not shabby.

[Art Vandelay]

I'd take Revelation over ROR all day everyday.....

They are both mediocre pop crap. The only real difference is one was the original and one was following that 'legacy'.

That is an opinion, albeit one shared by the vast majority. However, my original point was that Journey's Revelation tour was as successful as their ROR was - and I stand by that. (And I do realize that says more about the ROR tour being a steep fall from Escape and Frontiers than it says Revelation was asteep climb from Arrival Red13 and Generations.

I guess the thing is, my thinking is that because we're talking about their 4th post-Perry album and now their yet to be released 5th post-Perry album, that in itself is proof they have moved on and are an active entity. AND THAT, was all I cared about happening back in the mid 90's when I dreamed of new Journey music on your board, Monker. They have 50+ new songs since they came back....and its going to end up close to 100 I think. Not shabby.

So why did they need to dust off 15 old songs to help push the new stuff?

[Eric]

I'd take Revelation over ROR all day everyday.....

They are both mediocre pop crap. The only real difference is one was the original and one was following that 'legacy'.

That is an opinion, albeit one shared by the vast majority. However, my original point was that Journey's Revelation tour was as successful as their ROR was - and I stand by that. (And I do realize that says more about the ROR tour being a steep fall from Escape and Frontiers than it says Revelation was asteep climb from Arrival Red13 and Generations.

I guess the thing is, my thinking is that because we're talking about their 4th post-Perry album and now their yet to be released 5th post-Perry album, that in itself is proof they have moved on and are an active entity. AND THAT, was all I cared about happening back in the mid 90's when I dreamed of new Journey music on your board, Monker. They have 50+ new songs since they came back....and its going to end up close to 100 I think. Not shabby.

So why did they need to dust off 15 old songs to help push the new stuff?

Because they are like almost every other classic rock outfit....they compete with their own greatest hits. You think if Perry came back they'd have a double platinum album on its own and they would play any more than 3-4 new songs?

[Art Vandelay]

I'd take Revelation over ROR all day everyday.....

They are both mediocre pop crap. The only real difference is one was the original and one was following that 'legacy'.

That is an opinion, albeit one shared by the vast majority. However, my original point was that Journey's Revelation tour was as successful as their ROR was - and I stand by that. (And I do realize that says more about the ROR tour being a steep fall from Escape and Frontiers than it says Revelation was asteep climb from Arrival Red13 and Generations.

I guess the thing is, my thinking is that because we're talking about their 4th post-Perry album and now their yet to be released 5th post-Perry album, that in itself is proof they have moved on and are an active entity. AND THAT, was all I cared about happening back in the mid 90's when I dreamed of new Journey music on your board, Monker. They have 50+ new songs since they came back....and its going to end up close to 100 I think. Not shabby.

So why did they need to dust off 15 old songs to help push the new stuff?

Because they are like almost every other classic rock outfit....they compete with their own greatest hits. You think if Perry came back they'd have a double platinum album on its own and they would play any more than 3-4 new songs?

I'm talking about re-recording, not playing live. The dirty dozen is their bread and butter. I know they wouldn't re-record the old stuff with Perry. Not unless they did something creative with it like an unplugged set. Just sayin'.

[Since 78]

I'd take Revelation over ROR all day everyday.....

They are both mediocre pop crap. The only real difference is one was the original and one was following that 'legacy'.

That is an opinion, albeit one shared by the vast majority. However, my original point was that Journey's Revelation tour was as successful as their ROR was - and I stand by that. (And I do realize that says more about the ROR tour being a steep fall from Escape and Frontiers than it says Revelation was asteep climb from Arrival Red13 and Generations.

I guess the thing is, my thinking is that because we're talking about their 4th post-Perry album and now their yet to be released 5th post-Perry album, that in itself is proof they have moved on and are an active entity. AND THAT, was all I cared about happening back in the mid 90's when I dreamed of new Journey music on your board, Monker. They have 50+ new songs since they came back....and its going to end up close to 100 I think. Not shabby.

So why did they need to dust off 15 old songs to help push the new stuff?

Because they are like almost every other classic rock outfit....they compete with their own greatest hits. You think if Perry came back they'd have a double platinum album on its own and they would play any more than 3-4 new songs?

They would have to play new songs, does anyone really think Perry could do the DD still? And there go the fans.

[brywool]

Well, make up your mind people! A new direction not the "legacy sound" was OK when it was JSS, although I don't really think things would have changed much, except less DD, because there would have been vocal issues shortly.
Now they're trying something different and the same people are complaining.

YUP. It's the MR.Rock Journey Group in a nutshell. They're damned if they do, damned if they don't.