New Journey Book

[ebake02]

So I wonder how accurate this "unauthorized story" will be? Will it delve into the private lives of the band members, talk about Neals 4 marriages, Ross's coke problem, Deen's drug rehab, etc? Will the politics be all laid out in the open for all to see? Will the truth as to whether Perry actually had the hip surgery finally be told? Oh, so many questions in the mind of a Journey fan.

I didn't know Ross had a coke problem. Around what time was this? I knew about Deen's stint in rehab but what was it for?

[slucero]

So I wonder how accurate this "unauthorized story" will be? Will it delve into the private lives of the band members, talk about Neals 4 marriages, Ross's coke problem, Deen's drug rehab, etc? Will the politics be all laid out in the open for all to see? Will the truth as to whether Perry actually had the hip surgery finally be told? Oh, so many questions in the mind of a Journey fan.

I didn't know Ross had a coke problem. Around what time was this? I knew about Deen's stint in rehab but what was it for?

Ross used have a Coke problem.. now he drinks Pepsi...

[Saint John]

There are really only 2 ways to write a successful Journey book and have it catch on. The first way would be to establish connections and have the band members open up and give the fan a really comprehensive look into the band and their lives on the road. It would have to include stories from Herbie, Schon, Perry, Rolie, Jackson, Cain and perhaps Pineda. As secondary sources, you could get some stories from Smith, Valory and Augeri. Finally, a few words and insights from Soto, the roadies and a couple of die-hard fans would complete the book. This will never happen.

That leaves us with the second way the book could be successful. This version includes every story, rumor, innuendo or urban legend that has ever been associated with the band. It's a total sleazefest of a book and it pulls no punches. Andrew moves to the Seychelles where he can't be sued or prosecuted, and watches his bank account grow like an Augeri fan's waistline. This, too, won't happen. Expect a very vanilla book, chock full of nothing more than Google searches and an overweighted emphasis on Soto's role as a fill-in. Just a prediction.

[ebake02]

If I were to buy a book like this I don't want the sanitized version that is biased towards the band members. I would rather have an honest and truthful book that give the fans an inside scoop into the inner workings of the band. Unfortunately, with all the skeletons in the closets of some of the people involved with this band, you will never see this happen. Although to be honest, I don't why they won't authorize a no holds barred book. Their skeletons can't be all that bad compared to bands like Motley Crue, Ozzy or Guns N Roses.

[Michigan Girl]

I guess my question would be ... why would a band really open up when
the members can make money writing their own book/s?!? ...if they really wanted to divulge
that information!! SJ, surprisingly enough, you make perfect sense!!

[Michigan Girl]

If I were to buy a book like this I don't want the sanitized version that is biased towards the band members. I would rather have an honest and truthful book that give the fans an inside scoop into the inner workings of the band. Unfortunately, with all the skeletons in the closets of some of the people involved with this band, you will never see this happen. Although to be honest, I don't why they won't authorize a no holds barred book. Their skeletons can't be all that bad compared to bands like Motley Crue, Ozzy or Guns N Roses.

I agree, excellent reading right there ^^^^!!

[Saint John]

I guess my question would be ... why would a band really open up when
the members can make money writing their own book/s?!? ...if they really wanted to divulge
that information!! SJ, surprisingly enough, you make perfect sense!!

Thanks... I think.

[Michigan Girl]

I guess my question would be ... why would a band really open up when
the members can make money writing their own book/s?!? ...if they really wanted to divulge
that information!! SJ, surprisingly enough, you make perfect sense!!

Thanks... I think.

haha ...you're welcome!!

[roycap]

Do we know if Augeri was interviewed for this?

[tanga]

This book will flop from the get go. You've got people writing it who don't know jack shit about Journey...

[Andrew]

There are too many gag orders and confidentially agreements in place to write the perfect Journey in-depth story. No way it will ever happen. I'd start work tomorow on it if I knew everyone would talk, but no point otherwise.

[swepett]

Will Svante Pettersson have a cameo in this book?

FWIW, no one has talked to me.

/Svante

[Michigan Girl]

Will Svante Pettersson have a cameo in this book?

FWIW, no one has talked to me.

/Svante

lol ...who are you?!?!

[Don]

Will Svante Pettersson have a cameo in this book?

FWIW, no one has talked to me.

/Svante

lol ...who are you?!?!

I will PM you.

[brywool]

wouldn't that be the "Journey Weirdness" guy?

There's NO WAY this book can be anything but regurgitated stuff that's already been out there. Seriously, unless someone kind of 'rips the lid off' of the band, what's the point?

Neal played with Santanna at 15.
Steve Perry worked on a Turkey Ranch.
Jon Cain was in the Baby's and Greg Rollie hand picked him for his replacement...

blah blah blah

Nothin to see hear folks, move along.

[Michigan Girl]

wouldn't that be the "Journey Weirdness" guy?

There's NO WAY this book can be anything but regurgitated stuff that's already been out there. Seriously, unless someone kind of 'rips the lid off' of the band, what's the point?

Neal played with Santanna at 15.
Steve Perry worked on a Turkey Ranch.
Jon Cain was in the Baby's and Greg Rollie hand picked him for his replacement...

blah blah blah

Nothin to see hear folks, move along.

Some fans, in fact, a lot of fans seem to enjoy that sort of thing!!
There's definitely a market, Beatle~boy ...double~platinum, at least!!

[Saint John]

wouldn't that be the "Journey Weirdness" guy?

There's NO WAY this book can be anything but regurgitated stuff that's already been out there. Seriously, unless someone kind of 'rips the lid off' of the band, what's the point?

Neal played with Santanna at 15.
Steve Perry worked on a Turkey Ranch.
Jon Cain was in the Baby's and Greg Rollie hand picked him for his replacement...

blah blah blah

Nothin to see hear folks, move along.

Some fans, in fact, a lot of fans seem to enjoy that sort of thing!!
There's definitely a market, Beatle~boy ...double~platinum, at least!!

Nobody has been the king of more regurgitated shit than Sony and Perry. Christ, you have Greatest Hits, GH Live, The Essential Journey, Live In Houston, GH DVD, and they're all about the same thing. And Perry's "Greatest Hits + 5" is just laughable! He only recorded 2 solo albums and the second one was complete garbage!

As for Revelation, the very fact that they didn't even take the re-recordings seriously tells me that they had no plans to use them for anything more than to fulfill the request from Walmart. Had they sat there and used the same exact music from the original recordings and simply tried to replace Steve Perry with Arnel Pineda, you might have a point. Hell, they recorded them at Cain's house and let him produce them! I have a feeling they just blazed through them so they could tell Walmart "Here's what you wanted. Now give us the money to record and produce our new album!"

[Michigan Girl]

So you agree?!?

[Saint John]

So you agree?!?

Yes and no. Some people just have to have everything. And that's okay, as it's their money. But I don't think anyone in significant numbers bought Revelation because there were re-recorded songs on there. It was overwhelmingly purchased for the new music.

[brywool]

So you agree?!?

It was overwhelmingly purchased for the new music.

That's why I bought it. Don't need the re-records. Heard em. They were interesting. But I don't play them. I do play the Revelation tracks though. Styx just did a re-records thing. First time I've NOT bought a newly-recorded Styx product since 1977. Live albums? Got em. Greatest Hits stuff? Nah, already have em all. Re-recorded songs with the new band? No. The live albums give you those same arrangements. No point.

As for The Beatles- They were VERY good about NOT re-releasing things. It was only after they broke up that Capitol kind of started messing with repackaging. The Beatles themselves were NOT in favor of it and it was a record-company kind of deal. As far as books- there are a ton of books out there. MANY with stuff not widely known. Many with complete BS in them. There are quite a few "warts and all" books on them. Not so with Journey and there never will be. WHY would anyone want to read stuff they already know? Seems silly to me.

[Don]

You can't use any of the RE-recordings with Perry's name on on the credits for anything really. Movies, Commercials, promotions; he would have to give permission and does anyone seriously think he would if it isn't his voice being used?
Not to mention, most People that want to license music from Journey's back catalog go through Columbia's licensing department as it's part of the established entertainmnet industry. No one is searching for NOMOTA, they just flip over the Greatest Hits case, see the address on the bottom and begin there.

[Michigan Girl]

Great, now if we can just get the other hundreds of millions of fans who
have purchased regurgitated crap to respond, we'll have
a story ...Point being, there's always a market ...new fans, fans
who don't hang here, fans of one particular member of a band ...
hell, just say Arnel and all those pinheads will buy the book!!
I must be a bad communicator, although; my caliper profile
evaluation was favorable ...

[Saint John]

You can't use any of the RE-recordings with Perry's name on on the credits for anything really. Movies, Commercials, promotions; he would have to give permission and does anyone seriously think he would if it isn't his voice being used?
Not to mention, most People that want to license music from Journey's back catalog go through Columbia's licensing department as it's part of the established entertainmnet industry. No one is searching for NOMOTA, they just flip over the Greatest Hits case, see the address on the bottom and begin there.

True, but you still won't see the re-recorded versions Faithfully or Wheel In The Sky being used either.

[brywool]

Great, now if we can just get the other hundreds of millions of fans who
have purchased regurgitated crap to respond, we'll have
a story ...Point being, there's always a market ...new fans, fans
who don't hang here, fans of one particular member of a band ...
hell, just say Arnel and all those pinheads will buy the book!!
I must be a bad communicator, although; my caliper profile
evaluation was favorable ...

Well, I've not purchased ANY of the Greatest Hits albums. Why? I have the original albums and they're better there in the context of those albums. As for Perry, I DID buy Greatest Hits Plus 5 or whatever it was. I didn't buy the other one that he put out though. Already had it all. Why buy it again? New Fans- yeah, they'll buy it. But the die hards won't as they've heard it all before.

In fact, the last one where Perry released his greatest hits (gimme a break, he released two solo albums!) I wouldn't touch and it seemed that he was just cashing in on all the latest Journey talk (or Sony was). It smelled like rip off to me.

[Andrew]

Will Svante Pettersson have a cameo in this book?

FWIW, no one has talked to me.

/Svante

Nice to see you posting mate. Glad you are still reading...that subject will never be breached officially. Shame. Would be a great read.

[S2M]

wouldn't that be the "Journey Weirdness" guy?

There's NO WAY this book can be anything but regurgitated stuff that's already been out there. Seriously, unless someone kind of 'rips the lid off' of the band, what's the point?

Neal played with Santanna at 15.
Steve Perry worked on a Turkey Ranch.
Jon Cain was in the Baby's and Greg Rollie hand picked him for his replacement...

blah blah blah

Nothin to see hear folks, move along.

Some fans, in fact, a lot of fans seem to enjoy that sort of thing!!
There's definitely a market, Beatle~boy ...double~platinum, at least!!

Only if it comes in 2 Volumes....

[G.I.Jim]

Will Svante Pettersson have a cameo in this book?

FWIW, no one has talked to me.

/Svante

lol ...who are you?!?!

I will PM you.

Well send me one while you're at it.

[Saint John]

Will Svante Pettersson have a cameo in this book?

FWIW, no one has talked to me.

/Svante

lol ...who are you?!?!

I will PM you.

Well send me one while you're at it.

I'll make it easier for everyone:

Svante is the person that first noticed in concert that Journey was hooked up to tape. He was one of the engineers at a European show and noticed the feed to the truck (the real feed) was terrible, and the feed to the audience (the taped feed) was really good. His account of that day is available on here in full. But that's the gist of it.

[G.I.Jim]

Will Svante Pettersson have a cameo in this book?

FWIW, no one has talked to me.

/Svante

lol ...who are you?!?!

I will PM you.

Well send me one while you're at it.

I'll make it easier for everyone:

Svante is the person that first noticed in concert that Journey was hooked up to tape. He was one of the engineers at a European show and noticed the feed to the truck (the real feed) was terrible, and the feed to the audience (the taped feed) was really good. His account of that day is available on here in full. But that's the gist of it.

Ah... Thanks! Wait, I thought Jeremey and Deano took credit for outing the bands tactics?

[Saint John]

I thought Jeremey and Deano took credit for outing the bands tactics?

Not sure about Jeremey, but Deano has taken credit for things as far back as the wheel being invented.