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kgdjpubs wrote:I think what you are asking is "what are the chances Perry returns to Journey", because the aforementioned scenario is the ONLY way I can see co-writing between those two taking place ever again.
Jana wrote:It should be the opposite. Steve Perry needs Jon to help him on his upcoming solo album.
Don wrote:Jana wrote:It should be the opposite. Steve Perry needs Jon to help him on his upcoming solo album.
Perry had six top 40 hits outside of Journey without Cain. (A solo career of two albums, with one released at the height of the grunge movement. In comaparison, Escape and Frontiers had 8 top 40 hits combined). Granted, the only one he wrote the majority of lyrics for by himself was 'Don't Fight It' but he has proven that he can collaborate with others OUTSIDE of Journey and have some success. Jon hasn't really done that, has he?
I'm talking about Perry bringing something back to the table to help Journey. Neal and Jon by themselves seem to have hit the repeat button, soundwise. I think the third wheel of Perry, where he is not the one singing can bring some new energry into what they are doing.
Saint John wrote:kgdjpubs wrote:I think what you are asking is "what are the chances Perry returns to Journey", because the aforementioned scenario is the ONLY way I can see co-writing between those two taking place ever again.
Fair assessment.
Ligzig wrote:Don wrote:Jana wrote:It should be the opposite. Steve Perry needs Jon to help him on his upcoming solo album.
Perry had six top 40 hits outside of Journey without Cain. (A solo career of two albums, with one released at the height of the grunge movement. In comaparison, Escape and Frontiers had 8 top 40 hits combined). Granted, the only one he wrote the majority of lyrics for by himself was 'Don't Fight It' but he has proven that he can collaborate with others OUTSIDE of Journey and have some success. Jon hasn't really done that, has he?
I'm talking about Perry bringing something back to the table to help Journey. Neal and Jon by themselves seem to have hit the repeat button, soundwise. I think the third wheel of Perry, where he is not the one singing can bring some new energry into what they are doing.
I disagree with that. His songs outside of Journey either sounded a lot like Journey or stayed in the field of love and heartache. Not a very foreign subject for Journey. What he COULD do though, was take a simple few lines of lyrics and add his cookisms to it and turn it into magic with soaring vocals. That can't really be accomplished from the sidelines.
It's up to Arnel to show his own style and input, IMO.
Don wrote:AP teaming up with Neal rather than Jon doesn't instill much confidence in me either.
Saint John wrote:Don wrote:AP teaming up with Neal rather than Jon doesn't instill much confidence in me either.
I tend to agree with you on this. Jonathan Cain has always been Journey's main songwriter and melody creator. Without him, I'm hearing Red13 all over again, and that was simply a heap of shit. Cain gave the songs melody, Schon gave them life, Perry made them feel real and Ross and Smitty gave them backbone.
If he's not putting his voice to the song ...it's a complete waste of time, for me!! It'sDon wrote:If Perry collaborated with Jon on songs to be used on a Journey Album, would this be acceptable to most of you?
Only as a song writer; no singing, performing or anything like that. Arnel would still be the work mule in that department.
Would that work for many of you? Or do you think that Journey should sink or swim with what they have now as far as song writing contributions from the current lineup.
Don wrote:I get that it's a silly question but doesn't most of the stuff we post here fall under the same catagory?
It's 2010. 3.5 albums post Perry and the only Journey song getting pub is DSB. If people are going to continue to go to Perry for interviews, despite his being out of the band since forever, why not have him do something that shines a little light on the current state of the band? He get's paid like a motherfucker, right? Why not use Perry to the band's advantage?
Don wrote:I get that it's a silly question but doesn't most of the stuff we post here fall under the same catagory?
It's 2010. 3.5 albums post Perry and the only Journey song getting pub is DSB. If people are going to continue to go to Perry for interviews, despite his being out of the band since forever, why not have him do something that shines a little light on the current state of the band? He get's paid like a motherfucker, right? Why not use Perry to the band's advantage?
kgdjpubs wrote:Don wrote:I get that it's a silly question but doesn't most of the stuff we post here fall under the same catagory?
It's 2010. 3.5 albums post Perry and the only Journey song getting pub is DSB. If people are going to continue to go to Perry for interviews, despite his being out of the band since forever, why not have him do something that shines a little light on the current state of the band? He get's paid like a motherfucker, right? Why not use Perry to the band's advantage?
if Perry won't or can't do anything for his own career (ie new album, tour), what possible incentive does he have to help Journey succeed without him? It's a bitter enough wound as is--no need to throw salt on it.
Don wrote:I get that it's a silly question but doesn't most of the stuff we post here fall under the same category?
Don wrote:Saint John wrote:Don wrote:I get that it's a silly question but doesn't most of the stuff we post here fall under the same category?
If not worse!![]()
I saw that.
Saint John wrote:Don wrote:Saint John wrote:Don wrote:I get that it's a silly question but doesn't most of the stuff we post here fall under the same category?
If not worse!![]()
I saw that.
Saw what?![]()
Don wrote:Saint John wrote:Don wrote:Saint John wrote:Don wrote:I get that it's a silly question but doesn't most of the stuff we post here fall under the same category?
If not worse!![]()
I saw that.
Saw what?![]()
My grammar/spelling is complete shit today. It's usually bad but this morning I need a fix of school house rock in the worse way.
Jana wrote:Don wrote:I get that it's a silly question but doesn't most of the stuff we post here fall under the same catagory?
It's 2010. 3.5 albums post Perry and the only Journey song getting pub is DSB. If people are going to continue to go to Perry for interviews, despite his being out of the band since forever, why not have him do something that shines a little light on the current state of the band? He get's paid like a motherfucker, right? Why not use Perry to the band's advantage?
He sounds too depressed. He just said the "Dodgers saved him in a way" in an interview. I don't know what kind of music he can bring to be in a state that a baseball team can save him just by including him.
slucero wrote:Maybe.. just maybe... Perry is quite happy with where his "career" is... (or isn't)
Saint John wrote:slucero wrote:Maybe.. just maybe... Perry is quite happy with where his "career" is... (or isn't)
Yeah, the perpetual all-black clothing line, crying on consoles while mixing DVDs and avoiding any question on the condition of his voice paints the picture of a really "happy" guy.
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RedWingFan wrote:Saint John wrote:slucero wrote:Maybe.. just maybe... Perry is quite happy with where his "career" is... (or isn't)
Yeah, the perpetual all-black clothing line, crying on consoles while mixing DVDs and avoiding any question on the condition of his voice paints the picture of a really "happy" guy.
I have a hell of alot more respect for him doing that rather than collecting the gate, rolling tape and miming for 2 hours. If Neil's band were men they would have offered refunds after they got called out.
Did they? No, they played it off and played shuffling singers and making a joke out of the band. Stone shattered!
Honestly they remind me of watching poor fat Ali getting his ass beat by Larry Holmes on Wide World of Sports in 1978.
Sad.
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