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Postby RedWingFan » Sun Feb 06, 2011 6:55 am

S2M wrote:My Package - 38
Steelers - 17

:lol: I hope that final is correct with the Steelers on the short end!!! :lol:

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Postby S2M » Sun Feb 06, 2011 6:58 am

I'm not getting involved in the he said/she said garbage anymore....like I said earlier - I didn't donate money to keep this place open just so a few village idiots can start a testosterone-laden pissing contest.

Staying out of the sports threads...not bothering with the political one either. I have a few friends here, and I'll keep talking to them.
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Postby Melissa » Sun Feb 06, 2011 7:06 am

Oh, well, if you're going to stay out of the political one now too S2M, then I apologize for the other night there calling you an unintelligent stupid ass :lol: Guess that was missed by whomever it is that watches what I say and to whom :roll: :wink:
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Postby WalkInMyShoes » Sun Feb 06, 2011 12:49 pm

Don't care what the score is as long as Green Bay is on top.
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Postby Saint John » Sun Feb 06, 2011 1:24 pm

S2M wrote:I'm not getting involved in the he said/she said garbage anymore....like I said earlier - I didn't donate money to keep this place open just so a few village idiots can start a testosterone-laden pissing contest.

Staying out of the sports threads...not bothering with the political one either. I have a few friends here, and I'll keep talking to them.


You're not gonna stay out of the sports threads, nor should you. Every now and then we have a meltdown and yesterday was one of those days. For what it's worth, I tried to stay out of the fray and keep the peace. That included no voting in the pissing matches and no PMs. I have also mentioned in the past to more than one person that, having met you in person, I can honestly say that you're an average dude just like most of us, were cool to hang with and there was nothing that I found odd, worrisome or out of the ordinary about you. And I think you're all right. :) :)
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Postby Ftloperry » Sun Feb 06, 2011 3:46 pm

Go Pittsburg Go!

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Postby Enigma869 » Mon Feb 07, 2011 3:09 am

Saint John wrote:You're not gonna stay out of the sports threads, nor should you.


I agree with Dan. I'm on record saying that I don't think you're a very good sports fan (and I don't), but I do think you're knowledgeable and bring something to the table when it comes to the sports discussion. If not for the endless blaming of officials for EVERYTHING or the claiming that no Boston sports team has ever once lost a game legitimately, I would rank you up there with the best sports fans we have around these parts.

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Postby Ehwmatt » Mon Feb 07, 2011 3:12 am

Fuck The Steelers!
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Postby RossValoryRocks » Mon Feb 07, 2011 3:28 am

Ehwmatt wrote:Fuck The Steelers!


Typical Clownies fan...get over the endless seasons of losing...the Browns will be back, Holmgren will see to it.

I would root for the Browns if they were in it and the Steelers weren't...so don't be a sour puss!
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Postby Ehwmatt » Mon Feb 07, 2011 4:06 am

RossValoryRocks wrote:
Ehwmatt wrote:Fuck The Steelers!


Typical Clownies fan...get over the endless seasons of losing...the Browns will be back, Holmgren will see to it.

I would root for the Browns if they were in it and the Steelers weren't...so don't be a sour puss!


Forget my hatred for you guys for the moment. Even if that were not the case, I honestly believe I'd be rooting for the Packers today. Here's three reasons why:

1. Great, storied franchise (as are the Steelers, but they have had plenty of glory in the last six years). It would be nice to see them carve out another piece of history in their long tradition.

2. GB is a small/mid sports market: Admittedly, this factor applies to a Pitt win as well, but as I said, Pitt has had its glory the last few years. This match-up is just a great reason why I love the NFL. Two mid-market cities (arguably, GB is a small market but the rabidness of the fans kinda makes up for it in my eyes) are battling it out for all the marbles. It's just nice to see smaller cities take home major sports championships when year after year in the MLB and NBA you see the same old Boston, NY, LA nonsense.

3. Aaron Rodgers: I really think this guy is on the cusp of something special. With a win today, I can see him reaching legendary status with sick numbers and multiple rings. The guy is ALL that is advertised and perhaps more. Unassuming, professional, and really fucking good/talented. Someday, I can see myself telling my kids about watching Aaron Rodgers in his prime.

On the other hand, whether Consentlessberger loses today or goes on to win his third today and even if he goes beyond that, I can't see myself reminiscing to my kids about the times I saw some fat, ugly, bearded alleged rapist playing a utilitarian game, relying on his defense/run game, evading a few tackles here and there on account of his fat ass, and maybe orchestrating one impressive drive at the end of the game after his defense and running game do the bulk of the work to win. The guy is just not that impressive game to game and play to play like the true QB legends are. I don't believe history is going to treat him that kindly, even if he wins 3+ rings starting today. Don't get me wrong, the guy's team WINS, and his part in that is not to be taken lightly. I'd kill to have a QB like that play for my team. But, as a fan of the game, I just want to watch a monster talent in Rodgers consummate his abilities today. It's just the sexier outcome for me, even if I were a totally neutral fan.
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Postby YoungJRNY » Mon Feb 07, 2011 4:18 am

RossValoryRocks wrote:
Ehwmatt wrote:Fuck The Steelers!


Typical Clownies fan...get over the endless seasons of losing...the Browns will be back, Holmgren will see to it.

I would root for the Browns if they were in it and the Steelers weren't...so don't be a sour puss!


Redact your Steelers pride, Stu. Rooting for the Browns in the Super Bowl? Are you out of your fucking mind? Well, I guess it's easy to say that since the Browns have been playing at the pee-wee level since 1964! I almost feel sorry about those turds givin on how loyal they are to one of the worst ran franchise's in the NFL. I mean, their own owner said the hell with them and left town and THEN won a Super Bowl in Baltimore! There is no worse tormented sports city than Cleveland and to watch them lose a Super Bowl would be even MORE priceless and appropriate to that city. Fuck Cleveland and everything about those smelly rejects.

Matt's probably the coolest thing ever to come out of that shit-hole. Maybe he's adopted? :lol:
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Postby S2M » Mon Feb 07, 2011 4:37 am

2 weeks of complete and utter ballwashing...I don't think I have the faculties left to even watch this game. Plus, I don't think I could even understand the commentators with Troy's, Ben's, and Ward's cocks in their mouths.... :lol:

....just a drive-by, don't get excited.
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Postby whirlwind » Mon Feb 07, 2011 4:46 am

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Postby RossValoryRocks » Mon Feb 07, 2011 5:00 am

YoungJRNY wrote:
RossValoryRocks wrote:
Ehwmatt wrote:Fuck The Steelers!


Typical Clownies fan...get over the endless seasons of losing...the Browns will be back, Holmgren will see to it.

I would root for the Browns if they were in it and the Steelers weren't...so don't be a sour puss!


Redact your Steelers pride, Stu. Rooting for the Browns in the Super Bowl? Are you out of your fucking mind? Well, I guess it's easy to say that since the Browns have been playing at the pee-wee level since 1964! I almost feel sorry about those turds givin on how loyal they are to one of the worst ran franchise's in the NFL. I mean, their own owner said the hell with them and left town and THEN won a Super Bowl in Baltimore! There is no worse tormented sports city than Cleveland and to watch them lose a Super Bowl would be even MORE priceless and appropriate to that city. Fuck Cleveland and everything about those smelly rejects.

Matt's probably the coolest thing ever to come out of that shit-hole. Maybe he's adopted? :lol:


No No No...If the Steelers didn't make the playoff/Super Bowl I would root for any of the AFC North teams to win(Exception: Ravens, I can't stand them), provided they make it that far. I lived just outside of Cleveland, and in Columbus so I have a soft spot for Cincy and the Browns, except when they play the Steelers.

There once was a time, and Trav you are too young to remember, when it was the AFC Central that the Browns, Steelers, Houston and Cincy were POWERHOUSE teams and ONE of them was going to be in the AFC championship game. It made football more exciting to watch, and the rivalry with each of those teams made it special.
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Postby RossValoryRocks » Mon Feb 07, 2011 5:01 am

Ehwmatt wrote:
RossValoryRocks wrote:
Ehwmatt wrote:Fuck The Steelers!


Typical Clownies fan...get over the endless seasons of losing...the Browns will be back, Holmgren will see to it.

I would root for the Browns if they were in it and the Steelers weren't...so don't be a sour puss!


Forget my hatred for you guys for the moment. Even if that were not the case, I honestly believe I'd be rooting for the Packers today. Here's three reasons why:

1. Great, storied franchise (as are the Steelers, but they have had plenty of glory in the last six years). It would be nice to see them carve out another piece of history in their long tradition.

2. GB is a small/mid sports market: Admittedly, this factor applies to a Pitt win as well, but as I said, Pitt has had its glory the last few years. This match-up is just a great reason why I love the NFL. Two mid-market cities (arguably, GB is a small market but the rabidness of the fans kinda makes up for it in my eyes) are battling it out for all the marbles. It's just nice to see smaller cities take home major sports championships when year after year in the MLB and NBA you see the same old Boston, NY, LA nonsense.

3. Aaron Rodgers: I really think this guy is on the cusp of something special. With a win today, I can see him reaching legendary status with sick numbers and multiple rings. The guy is ALL that is advertised and perhaps more. Unassuming, professional, and really fucking good/talented. Someday, I can see myself telling my kids about watching Aaron Rodgers in his prime.

On the other hand, whether Consentlessberger loses today or goes on to win his third today and even if he goes beyond that, I can't see myself reminiscing to my kids about the times I saw some fat, ugly, bearded alleged rapist playing a utilitarian game, relying on his defense/run game, evading a few tackles here and there on account of his fat ass, and maybe orchestrating one impressive drive at the end of the game after his defense and running game do the bulk of the work to win. The guy is just not that impressive game to game and play to play like the true QB legends are. I don't believe history is going to treat him that kindly, even if he wins 3+ rings starting today. Don't get me wrong, the guy's team WINS, and his part in that is not to be taken lightly. I'd kill to have a QB like that play for my team. But, as a fan of the game, I just want to watch a monster talent in Rodgers consummate his abilities today. It's just the sexier outcome for me, even if I were a totally neutral fan.


Now all of that makes sense and I can support you rooting for the Pack based on that. "Fuck the Steelers" doesn't makes sense, what you said here does.
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Postby YoungJRNY » Mon Feb 07, 2011 5:05 am

S2M wrote:2 weeks of complete and utter ballwashing...I don't think I have the faculties left to even watch this game. Plus, I don't think I could even understand the commentators with Troy's, Ben's, and Ward's cocks in their mouths.... :lol:

....just a drive-by, don't get excited.


The only ballwashing I've EVER heard for 2 weeks is how much Aaron Rodgers is going to destroy and how Hall of Fame worthy he is. On ESPN NFL Countdown, only 3 guys picked the Steelers to win the game: Jaws, Carter and Keesh, other than that, the whole entire ESPN panel took the Packers. The vote was like 10-3, which I expected a long time ago. The Steelers are the underdogs here, just as I've always liked them in these key games. Should be a great Super Bowl no matter the outcome, can't wait.
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Postby YoungJRNY » Mon Feb 07, 2011 5:06 am

RossValoryRocks wrote:
YoungJRNY wrote:
RossValoryRocks wrote:
Ehwmatt wrote:Fuck The Steelers!


Typical Clownies fan...get over the endless seasons of losing...the Browns will be back, Holmgren will see to it.

I would root for the Browns if they were in it and the Steelers weren't...so don't be a sour puss!


Redact your Steelers pride, Stu. Rooting for the Browns in the Super Bowl? Are you out of your fucking mind? Well, I guess it's easy to say that since the Browns have been playing at the pee-wee level since 1964! I almost feel sorry about those turds givin on how loyal they are to one of the worst ran franchise's in the NFL. I mean, their own owner said the hell with them and left town and THEN won a Super Bowl in Baltimore! There is no worse tormented sports city than Cleveland and to watch them lose a Super Bowl would be even MORE priceless and appropriate to that city. Fuck Cleveland and everything about those smelly rejects.

Matt's probably the coolest thing ever to come out of that shit-hole. Maybe he's adopted? :lol:


No No No...If the Steelers didn't make the playoff/Super Bowl I would root for any of the AFC North teams to win(Exception: Ravens, I can't stand them), provided they make it that far. I lived just outside of Cleveland, and in Columbus so I have a soft spot for Cincy and the Browns, except when they play the Steelers.

There once was a time, and Trav you are too young to remember, when it was the AFC Central that the Browns, Steelers, Houston and Cincy were POWERHOUSE teams and ONE of them was going to be in the AFC championship game. It made football more exciting to watch, and the rivalry with each of those teams made it special.


The AFC North didn't come into existence until 2002. The AFC Central was as STACKED as it came. Houston/Tennessee, Jacksonville, Cleveland Cincy and Pittsburgh. Atleast 3 teams during that time were all within rivalries and at each others THROATS since most of those teams played football the way it was supposed to be played: TOUGH and PHYSICAL.
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Postby RossValoryRocks » Mon Feb 07, 2011 5:31 am

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RossValoryRocks wrote:
YoungJRNY wrote:
RossValoryRocks wrote:
Ehwmatt wrote:Fuck The Steelers!


Typical Clownies fan...get over the endless seasons of losing...the Browns will be back, Holmgren will see to it.

I would root for the Browns if they were in it and the Steelers weren't...so don't be a sour puss!


Redact your Steelers pride, Stu. Rooting for the Browns in the Super Bowl? Are you out of your fucking mind? Well, I guess it's easy to say that since the Browns have been playing at the pee-wee level since 1964! I almost feel sorry about those turds givin on how loyal they are to one of the worst ran franchise's in the NFL. I mean, their own owner said the hell with them and left town and THEN won a Super Bowl in Baltimore! There is no worse tormented sports city than Cleveland and to watch them lose a Super Bowl would be even MORE priceless and appropriate to that city. Fuck Cleveland and everything about those smelly rejects.

Matt's probably the coolest thing ever to come out of that shit-hole. Maybe he's adopted? :lol:


No No No...If the Steelers didn't make the playoff/Super Bowl I would root for any of the AFC North teams to win(Exception: Ravens, I can't stand them), provided they make it that far. I lived just outside of Cleveland, and in Columbus so I have a soft spot for Cincy and the Browns, except when they play the Steelers.

There once was a time, and Trav you are too young to remember, when it was the AFC Central that the Browns, Steelers, Houston and Cincy were POWERHOUSE teams and ONE of them was going to be in the AFC championship game. It made football more exciting to watch, and the rivalry with each of those teams made it special.


The AFC North didn't come into existence until 2002. The AFC Central was as STACKED as it came. Houston/Tennessee, Jacksonville, Cleveland Cincy and Pittsburgh. Atleast 3 teams during that time were all within rivalries and at each others THROATS since most of those teams played football the way it was supposed to be played: TOUGH and PHYSICAL.


I am talking late 70's through the 80's...TERRIFIC time for football...buy the Mid-90's it was pretty much a Steelers only show...
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Postby Enigma869 » Mon Feb 07, 2011 5:53 am

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Forget my hatred for you guys for the moment. Even if that were not the case, I honestly believe I'd be rooting for the Packers today. Here's three reasons why:

1. Great, storied franchise (as are the Steelers, but they have had plenty of glory in the last six years). It would be nice to see them carve out another piece of history in their long tradition.

2. GB is a small/mid sports market: Admittedly, this factor applies to a Pitt win as well, but as I said, Pitt has had its glory the last few years. This match-up is just a great reason why I love the NFL. Two mid-market cities (arguably, GB is a small market but the rabidness of the fans kinda makes up for it in my eyes) are battling it out for all the marbles. It's just nice to see smaller cities take home major sports championships when year after year in the MLB and NBA you see the same old Boston, NY, LA nonsense.

3. Aaron Rodgers: I really think this guy is on the cusp of something special. With a win today, I can see him reaching legendary status with sick numbers and multiple rings. The guy is ALL that is advertised and perhaps more. Unassuming, professional, and really fucking good/talented. Someday, I can see myself telling my kids about watching Aaron Rodgers in his prime.

On the other hand, whether Consentlessberger loses today or goes on to win his third today and even if he goes beyond that, I can't see myself reminiscing to my kids about the times I saw some fat, ugly, bearded alleged rapist playing a utilitarian game, relying on his defense/run game, evading a few tackles here and there on account of his fat ass, and maybe orchestrating one impressive drive at the end of the game after his defense and running game do the bulk of the work to win. The guy is just not that impressive game to game and play to play like the true QB legends are. I don't believe history is going to treat him that kindly, even if he wins 3+ rings starting today. Don't get me wrong, the guy's team WINS, and his part in that is not to be taken lightly. I'd kill to have a QB like that play for my team. But, as a fan of the game, I just want to watch a monster talent in Rodgers consummate his abilities today. It's just the sexier outcome for me, even if I were a totally neutral fan.


No real need to defend your position Matt. A Browns fan rooting for the Steelers to ever win anything would be like a Red Sox fan rooting for the Yankees, and I promise you that would NEVER fucking happen...EVER! By the way, your assessment of Ben is spot on and win or not, Rapelisberger isn't Elway, Montana or Brady! I'll certainly give Ben props for winning, but it doesn't change the eyeball test for me and it doesn't change the fact that in his first Super Bowl, he had the worst performance EVER by a QB in the big game. I could have been the QB during Ben's first Super Bowl and the Steelers were still winning that game!
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Postby Ehwmatt » Mon Feb 07, 2011 6:19 am

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Ehwmatt wrote:
Forget my hatred for you guys for the moment. Even if that were not the case, I honestly believe I'd be rooting for the Packers today. Here's three reasons why:

1. Great, storied franchise (as are the Steelers, but they have had plenty of glory in the last six years). It would be nice to see them carve out another piece of history in their long tradition.

2. GB is a small/mid sports market: Admittedly, this factor applies to a Pitt win as well, but as I said, Pitt has had its glory the last few years. This match-up is just a great reason why I love the NFL. Two mid-market cities (arguably, GB is a small market but the rabidness of the fans kinda makes up for it in my eyes) are battling it out for all the marbles. It's just nice to see smaller cities take home major sports championships when year after year in the MLB and NBA you see the same old Boston, NY, LA nonsense.

3. Aaron Rodgers: I really think this guy is on the cusp of something special. With a win today, I can see him reaching legendary status with sick numbers and multiple rings. The guy is ALL that is advertised and perhaps more. Unassuming, professional, and really fucking good/talented. Someday, I can see myself telling my kids about watching Aaron Rodgers in his prime.

On the other hand, whether Consentlessberger loses today or goes on to win his third today and even if he goes beyond that, I can't see myself reminiscing to my kids about the times I saw some fat, ugly, bearded alleged rapist playing a utilitarian game, relying on his defense/run game, evading a few tackles here and there on account of his fat ass, and maybe orchestrating one impressive drive at the end of the game after his defense and running game do the bulk of the work to win. The guy is just not that impressive game to game and play to play like the true QB legends are. I don't believe history is going to treat him that kindly, even if he wins 3+ rings starting today. Don't get me wrong, the guy's team WINS, and his part in that is not to be taken lightly. I'd kill to have a QB like that play for my team. But, as a fan of the game, I just want to watch a monster talent in Rodgers consummate his abilities today. It's just the sexier outcome for me, even if I were a totally neutral fan.


No real need to defend your position Matt. A Browns fan rooting for the Steelers to ever win anything would be like a Red Sox fan rooting for the Yankees, and I promise you that would NEVER fucking happen...EVER! By the way, your assessment of Ben is spot on and win or not, Rapelisberger isn't Elway, Montana or Brady! I'll certainly give Ben props for winning, but it doesn't change the eyeball test for me and it doesn't change the fact that in his first Super Bowl, he had the worst performance EVER by a QB in the big game. I could have been the QB during Ben's first Super Bowl and the Steelers were still winning that game!


Ya, I'd never root for the Steelers, just so I'm clear. But, I definitely wanted to make my point about why I think a GB/Rodgers win today could be really special. Any true sports fan appreciates seeing the potential for greatness consummated on the field/court after the hype and regular season hoopla passes.

It's kinda like when Roger Federer was first winning majors over some of my favorite childhood players like Agassi. Sure, I wanted Agassi to win at the time, but I appreciated that I was possibly getting to see greatness unfold before my eyes. That's not something you see every season/tournament/game/match (whatever the sport contest format happens to be).
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Postby artist4perry » Mon Feb 07, 2011 6:23 am

Question for Packers fans............who was the genius who thought a wedge of cheese was a fashion statement for football?

Then again I am from Arkansas....................
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Postby Rip Rokken » Mon Feb 07, 2011 7:25 am

S2M wrote:Enjoy the game.... :wink: :lol:


This may really come in handy so you don't have to miss a play:

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Postby RossValoryRocks » Mon Feb 07, 2011 7:29 am

Enigma869 wrote:
Ehwmatt wrote:
Forget my hatred for you guys for the moment. Even if that were not the case, I honestly believe I'd be rooting for the Packers today. Here's three reasons why:

1. Great, storied franchise (as are the Steelers, but they have had plenty of glory in the last six years). It would be nice to see them carve out another piece of history in their long tradition.

2. GB is a small/mid sports market: Admittedly, this factor applies to a Pitt win as well, but as I said, Pitt has had its glory the last few years. This match-up is just a great reason why I love the NFL. Two mid-market cities (arguably, GB is a small market but the rabidness of the fans kinda makes up for it in my eyes) are battling it out for all the marbles. It's just nice to see smaller cities take home major sports championships when year after year in the MLB and NBA you see the same old Boston, NY, LA nonsense.

3. Aaron Rodgers: I really think this guy is on the cusp of something special. With a win today, I can see him reaching legendary status with sick numbers and multiple rings. The guy is ALL that is advertised and perhaps more. Unassuming, professional, and really fucking good/talented. Someday, I can see myself telling my kids about watching Aaron Rodgers in his prime.

On the other hand, whether Consentlessberger loses today or goes on to win his third today and even if he goes beyond that, I can't see myself reminiscing to my kids about the times I saw some fat, ugly, bearded alleged rapist playing a utilitarian game, relying on his defense/run game, evading a few tackles here and there on account of his fat ass, and maybe orchestrating one impressive drive at the end of the game after his defense and running game do the bulk of the work to win. The guy is just not that impressive game to game and play to play like the true QB legends are. I don't believe history is going to treat him that kindly, even if he wins 3+ rings starting today. Don't get me wrong, the guy's team WINS, and his part in that is not to be taken lightly. I'd kill to have a QB like that play for my team. But, as a fan of the game, I just want to watch a monster talent in Rodgers consummate his abilities today. It's just the sexier outcome for me, even if I were a totally neutral fan.


No real need to defend your position Matt. A Browns fan rooting for the Steelers to ever win anything would be like a Red Sox fan rooting for the Yankees, and I promise you that would NEVER fucking happen...EVER! By the way, your assessment of Ben is spot on and win or not, Rapelisberger isn't Elway, Montana or Brady! I'll certainly give Ben props for winning, but it doesn't change the eyeball test for me and it doesn't change the fact that in his first Super Bowl, he had the worst performance EVER by a QB in the big game. I could have been the QB during Ben's first Super Bowl and the Steelers were still winning that game!


Kinda like what's his face for the Ravens in 2000?? Ben isn't EVER going to throw up the numbers Brady or Manning do, but you have to admit he has a knack for making big plays when the Steelers need it. And his performance in his last Super Bowl was pretty damn good.

You use of Rapelisberger tells me you aren't being objective, which is unusual for you when you don't have a dog in the fight. He was (is?) a pretty dispicable human being, but there is not denying that he is trying to change the kind of person he was to something better. In many ways that is a far more compelling story than Aaron Rogers stepping out of Brett Favre's shadow.
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Postby Ehwmatt » Mon Feb 07, 2011 7:36 am

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Forget my hatred for you guys for the moment. Even if that were not the case, I honestly believe I'd be rooting for the Packers today. Here's three reasons why:

1. Great, storied franchise (as are the Steelers, but they have had plenty of glory in the last six years). It would be nice to see them carve out another piece of history in their long tradition.

2. GB is a small/mid sports market: Admittedly, this factor applies to a Pitt win as well, but as I said, Pitt has had its glory the last few years. This match-up is just a great reason why I love the NFL. Two mid-market cities (arguably, GB is a small market but the rabidness of the fans kinda makes up for it in my eyes) are battling it out for all the marbles. It's just nice to see smaller cities take home major sports championships when year after year in the MLB and NBA you see the same old Boston, NY, LA nonsense.

3. Aaron Rodgers: I really think this guy is on the cusp of something special. With a win today, I can see him reaching legendary status with sick numbers and multiple rings. The guy is ALL that is advertised and perhaps more. Unassuming, professional, and really fucking good/talented. Someday, I can see myself telling my kids about watching Aaron Rodgers in his prime.

On the other hand, whether Consentlessberger loses today or goes on to win his third today and even if he goes beyond that, I can't see myself reminiscing to my kids about the times I saw some fat, ugly, bearded alleged rapist playing a utilitarian game, relying on his defense/run game, evading a few tackles here and there on account of his fat ass, and maybe orchestrating one impressive drive at the end of the game after his defense and running game do the bulk of the work to win. The guy is just not that impressive game to game and play to play like the true QB legends are. I don't believe history is going to treat him that kindly, even if he wins 3+ rings starting today. Don't get me wrong, the guy's team WINS, and his part in that is not to be taken lightly. I'd kill to have a QB like that play for my team. But, as a fan of the game, I just want to watch a monster talent in Rodgers consummate his abilities today. It's just the sexier outcome for me, even if I were a totally neutral fan.


No real need to defend your position Matt. A Browns fan rooting for the Steelers to ever win anything would be like a Red Sox fan rooting for the Yankees, and I promise you that would NEVER fucking happen...EVER! By the way, your assessment of Ben is spot on and win or not, Rapelisberger isn't Elway, Montana or Brady! I'll certainly give Ben props for winning, but it doesn't change the eyeball test for me and it doesn't change the fact that in his first Super Bowl, he had the worst performance EVER by a QB in the big game. I could have been the QB during Ben's first Super Bowl and the Steelers were still winning that game!


Kinda like what's his face for the Ravens in 2000?? Ben isn't EVER going to throw up the numbers Brady or Manning do, but you have to admit he has a knack for making big plays when the Steelers need it. And his performance in his last Super Bowl was pretty damn good.

You use of Rapelisberger tells me you aren't being objective, which is unusual for you when you don't have a dog in the fight. He was (is?) a pretty dispicable human being, but there is not denying that he is trying to change the kind of person he was to something better. In many ways that is a far more compelling story than Aaron Rogers stepping out of Brett Favre's shadow.


I may not be objective towards the Steelers in general, but looking at this objectively, I don't see how this is a compelling story at all in terms of the game's outcome tonight. Winning might make the public forget, but it does not erase past bad deeds. Win or lose, Ben will rehabilitate his image in my eyes by staying the fuck out of trouble. Furthermore, I haven't seen that much evidence that he's better at all. People like that generally don't change, especially not overnight. Finally, even if he is on the fast track towards ultimate redemption and is about to become the next saint, from a sports perspective, it is still not nearly as compelling as a young guy redeeming a franchise whose heart was broken just three short years ago by the face of their team and possibly putting himself on the path towards NFL greatness with a victory tonight (provided he plays better than Ben did in his first SB stinker, at least).

It's not really about stepping out of Brett's shadow. That deepens the Rodgers factor for the game tonight. But, to me, what we have is a guy who shows all the early signs of being a legendary QB and leader. So, for me, the compelling aspect is seeing if this guy can start writing his legend tonight.
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Postby RossValoryRocks » Mon Feb 07, 2011 7:47 am

Ehwmatt wrote:[ it is still not nearly as compelling as a young guy redeeming a franchise whose heart was broken just three short years ago by the face of their team and possibly putting himself on the path towards NFL greatness with a victory tonight (provided he plays better than Ben did in his first SB stinker, at least).

It's not really about stepping out of Brett's shadow. That deepens the Rodgers factor for the game tonight. But, to me, what we have is a guy who shows all the early signs of being a legendary QB and leader. So, for me, the compelling aspect is seeing if this guy can start writing his legend tonight.


Ahhh...lest you forget the Pack tried to put him out to pasture...basically telling him (before he retired) that if he came back he would be sitting behind Rogers and be the elder statesman/mentor for the new kid in town. Favre wouldn't accept that (Would you?), and decided to try and move on because he thought he could still be an elite QB in the NFL. The Packers and their fans have NO ONE but their own organization to blame.
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Postby Ehwmatt » Mon Feb 07, 2011 7:50 am

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Ehwmatt wrote:[ it is still not nearly as compelling as a young guy redeeming a franchise whose heart was broken just three short years ago by the face of their team and possibly putting himself on the path towards NFL greatness with a victory tonight (provided he plays better than Ben did in his first SB stinker, at least).

It's not really about stepping out of Brett's shadow. That deepens the Rodgers factor for the game tonight. But, to me, what we have is a guy who shows all the early signs of being a legendary QB and leader. So, for me, the compelling aspect is seeing if this guy can start writing his legend tonight.


Ahhh...lest you forget the Pack tried to put him out to pasture...basically telling him (before he retired) that if he came back he would be sitting behind Rogers and be the elder statesman/mentor for the new kid in town. Favre wouldn't accept that (Would you?), and decided to try and move on because he thought he could still be an elite QB in the NFL. The Packers and their fans have NO ONE but their own organization to blame.


Whatever the case may be there (and that's a tired can of worms to re-open today of all days when Favre is relegated to watching the game from home and penis texting), it doesn't change the fact that I'm far more interested in seeing a young exciting talent like Rodgers take the reigns of his legacy and light Cowboy Stadium up rather than seeing a reputed scumbag, reformed or not, win ugly tonight for the 3rd time in 6 years. I suspect most other neutral fans feel the same way.
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Postby RossValoryRocks » Mon Feb 07, 2011 8:02 am

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Ehwmatt wrote:[ it is still not nearly as compelling as a young guy redeeming a franchise whose heart was broken just three short years ago by the face of their team and possibly putting himself on the path towards NFL greatness with a victory tonight (provided he plays better than Ben did in his first SB stinker, at least).

It's not really about stepping out of Brett's shadow. That deepens the Rodgers factor for the game tonight. But, to me, what we have is a guy who shows all the early signs of being a legendary QB and leader. So, for me, the compelling aspect is seeing if this guy can start writing his legend tonight.


Ahhh...lest you forget the Pack tried to put him out to pasture...basically telling him (before he retired) that if he came back he would be sitting behind Rogers and be the elder statesman/mentor for the new kid in town. Favre wouldn't accept that (Would you?), and decided to try and move on because he thought he could still be an elite QB in the NFL. The Packers and their fans have NO ONE but their own organization to blame.


Whatever the case may be there (and that's a tired can of worms to re-open today of all days when Favre is relegated to watching the game from home and penis texting), it doesn't change the fact that I'm far more interested in seeing a young exciting talent like Rodgers take the reigns of his legacy and light Cowboy Stadium up rather than seeing a reputed scumbag, reformed or not, win ugly tonight for the 3rd time in 6 years. I suspect most other neutral fans feel the same way.


Win ugly for the 3rd time? How did Pittsburgh win ugly against the Cards? That was an EPIC game.

Maybe you are right, and maybe I am showing a little homer-ism here, but I think it is a HUGE step for Ben Roethisberger that he even got here. I can't say he is reformed or not, because I don't know what is in his heart, but based on his actions since the whole Georgia incident I would say he is a changed person.

And maybe you are right about people wanting Rogers to win, but to tie it to what Favre did or didn't do is wrong.
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Postby Enigma869 » Mon Feb 07, 2011 8:18 am

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Kinda like what's his face for the Ravens in 2000??


Exactly. With the exception that Dilfer didn't even suck as bad as Ben did and Dilfer was an AWFUL QB!

Ben isn't EVER going to throw up the numbers Brady or Manning do, but you have to admit he has a knack for making big plays when the Steelers need it. And his performance in his last Super Bowl was pretty damn good.

RossValoryRocks wrote:You use of Rapelisberger tells me you aren't being objective, which is unusual for you when you don't have a dog in the fight. He was (is?) a pretty dispicable human being, but there is not denying that he is trying to change the kind of person he was to something better. In many ways that is a far more compelling story than Aaron Rogers stepping out of Brett Favre's shadow.


A couple of points. First and foremost, I consider myself to be a VERY objective sports fan. I make zero secret about the fact that I have zero desire to see the Steelers win. That said, I certainly have acknowledged that they are a good team (and I don't think they're great, at all) and an exceptionally well run organization (one of the best in all of sports and always have been). As for Ben...anything he does on a football field doesn't change what he did to the women he did that to. I know many people believe that to be the case, but I'm not someone who has ever bought into that notion. I promise you that if Ben wins his third ring tonight, the women he sexually assaulted aren't all of a sudden going to think that Ben is the greatest guy ever and that by winning a football game, he has somehow made what he did go away. Life simply doesn't work that way, and shouldn't!
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