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Postby Melissa » Tue Mar 15, 2011 10:42 pm

StevePerryHair wrote:
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bluejeangirl76 wrote:Kinda funny that we're all worried about radiation wafting over from Japan... we didn't worry about in '45 when we bombed the crap out of them. :shock: :?


Let's hope it's not karma sending it back.

:!:
Except NO ONE will suffer the effects of this the way the people in Japan will. They are the ones who will suffer. Not our country, whose exposure will be minimal. That's not karma. It's just sad.


Exactly, and I think the way they are handling it is astonishing. Those workers, hundreds of them, are busting their asses to do everything they know how to try and keep the worst from happening, and exposing themselves in the process. They know the whole plant is completely done either way since pumping seawater in there. And while it may be worse than Three Mile Island, which was a partial meltdown, it will be nowhere near Chernobyl, since Chernobyl had no containment like the Japanese ones do, and was a fully operating reactor, but the ones in Japan shut down automatically when the earthquake hit. And the way most of the people, hundreds of thousands of them, have followed warnings and either evacuated or stayed indoors when and where they can is amazing too.
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Postby bluejeangirl76 » Wed Mar 16, 2011 2:50 am

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bluejeangirl76 wrote:Kinda funny that we're all worried about radiation wafting over from Japan... we didn't worry about in '45 when we bombed the crap out of them. :shock: :?


Let's hope it's not karma sending it back.

:!:


If anything, the US being affected could be karma sending it back for Pearl Harbor being a false flag on our part and for us sticking it to Japan in '45.

But no, it isn't "karma". It's just the planet doing what it has always done and will continue to do. Our actions on the planet are not withstanding. The planet will continue to quake and shake. The after-effects, such as buildings crumbling and power plants leaking nuclear material, are human-induced. We put them there, so when the planet does it's thing, shit will go down.

This could have just as easily been our coast and one of our plants, and one day, it probably will be, when the Cascadia subduction starts quaking.
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Postby StevePerryHair » Wed Mar 16, 2011 4:39 am

I really think events like this remind us how small we really are. We can build governments, buildings, power and money, and all of it is reduced to mean nothing in the blink of an eye. The earth humbles us, really.
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Postby steveo777 » Wed Mar 16, 2011 4:42 am

StevePerryHair wrote:I really think events like this remind us how small we really are. We can build governments, buildings, power and money, and all of it is reduced to mean nothing in the blink of an eye. The earth humbles us, really.


We might just be a small bug in someone else's large world. Scary, huh? :shock:
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Postby Journey Mom » Wed Mar 16, 2011 4:53 am

The quake was upgraded to a 9.0 yesterday. My friend got out of Tokyo. She said that getting a plane ticket to leave the country is almost impossible to find. She went to the train station and got on the first train headed south. She said it's nice to not have to ground contantly shaking. She also said the the Japanese government isn't telling people much about what's going on with the nuclear plant and is just appealing to the people to stay calm. She's getting all her information from CNN. She's very frustrated and scared.
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Postby Saint John » Wed Mar 16, 2011 4:55 am

StevePerryHair wrote:I really think events like this remind us how small we really are.


Is this a veiled shot at Neal? :lol: :? :twisted:
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Postby S2M » Wed Mar 16, 2011 5:28 am

Journey Mom wrote:The quake was upgraded to a 9.0 yesterday. My friend got out of Tokyo. She said that getting a plane ticket to leave the country is almost impossible to find. She went to the train station and got on the first train headed south. She said it's nice to not have to ground contantly shaking. She also said the the Japanese government isn't telling people much about what's going on with the nuclear plant and is just appealing to the people to stay calm. She's getting all her information from CNN. She's very frustrated and scared.


It's the old Media fear-mongering trick again. You know how many people died at 3-Mile Island? ZERO. The quake/Tsunami is a nice bit of escape for the media to drag attention away from the real problem - the collapse of the U.S. Dollar/Bonds. How many people are going to die if the dollar collapses? I wouldn't worry about any nuclear fallout. I'd worry about stashing cash and food.
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Postby Michigan Girl » Wed Mar 16, 2011 5:39 am

S2M wrote:
Journey Mom wrote:The quake was upgraded to a 9.0 yesterday. My friend got out of Tokyo. She said that getting a plane ticket to leave the country is almost impossible to find. She went to the train station and got on the first train headed south. She said it's nice to not have to ground contantly shaking. She also said the the Japanese government isn't telling people much about what's going on with the nuclear plant and is just appealing to the people to stay calm. She's getting all her information from CNN. She's very frustrated and scared.


It's the old Media fear-mongering trick again. You know how many people died at 3-Mile Island? ZERO. The quake/Tsunami is a nice bit of escape for the media to drag attention away from the real problem - the collapse of the U.S. Dollar/Bonds. How many people are going to die if the dollar collapses? I wouldn't worry about any nuclear fallout. I'd worry about stashing cash and food.
Like we did for the Y2k because the banks
wouldn't be able to access our account inf. and the water co., elec co, gas co and
grocery stores couldn't operate w/out their computerized systems ...
yeah, I had more bottled water than I had room !! :wink:
Will our stashed cash be worth anything?!? :?
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Postby S2M » Wed Mar 16, 2011 5:44 am

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S2M wrote:
Journey Mom wrote:The quake was upgraded to a 9.0 yesterday. My friend got out of Tokyo. She said that getting a plane ticket to leave the country is almost impossible to find. She went to the train station and got on the first train headed south. She said it's nice to not have to ground contantly shaking. She also said the the Japanese government isn't telling people much about what's going on with the nuclear plant and is just appealing to the people to stay calm. She's getting all her information from CNN. She's very frustrated and scared.


It's the old Media fear-mongering trick again. You know how many people died at 3-Mile Island? ZERO. The quake/Tsunami is a nice bit of escape for the media to drag attention away from the real problem - the collapse of the U.S. Dollar/Bonds. How many people are going to die if the dollar collapses? I wouldn't worry about any nuclear fallout. I'd worry about stashing cash and food.
Like we did for the Y2k because the banks
wouldn't be able to access our account inf. and the water co., elec co, gas co and
grocery stores couldn't operate w/out their computerized systems ...
yeah, I had more bottled water than I had room !! :wink:
Will our stashed cash be worth anything?!? :?


Probably not, but gold will. Buy gold. That will be the currency of the future. Gold is it's own backing. Just saying.....
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Postby slucero » Wed Mar 16, 2011 5:57 am

S2M wrote:
Michigan Girl wrote:
S2M wrote:
Journey Mom wrote:The quake was upgraded to a 9.0 yesterday. My friend got out of Tokyo. She said that getting a plane ticket to leave the country is almost impossible to find. She went to the train station and got on the first train headed south. She said it's nice to not have to ground contantly shaking. She also said the the Japanese government isn't telling people much about what's going on with the nuclear plant and is just appealing to the people to stay calm. She's getting all her information from CNN. She's very frustrated and scared.


It's the old Media fear-mongering trick again. You know how many people died at 3-Mile Island? ZERO. The quake/Tsunami is a nice bit of escape for the media to drag attention away from the real problem - the collapse of the U.S. Dollar/Bonds. How many people are going to die if the dollar collapses? I wouldn't worry about any nuclear fallout. I'd worry about stashing cash and food.
Like we did for the Y2k because the banks
wouldn't be able to access our account inf. and the water co., elec co, gas co and
grocery stores couldn't operate w/out their computerized systems ...
yeah, I had more bottled water than I had room !! :wink:
Will our stashed cash be worth anything?!? :?


Probably not, but gold will. Buy gold. That will be the currency of the future. Gold is it's own backing. Just saying.....



I'd buy toilet paper... LOTS of it... you can't wipe your ass with gold... but lots of people will part with their gold to buy toilet paper to wipe their asses...
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Postby StevePerryHair » Wed Mar 16, 2011 6:06 am

Saint John wrote:
StevePerryHair wrote:I really think events like this remind us how small we really are.


Is this a veiled shot at Neal? :lol: :? :twisted:

:lol:
I imagine some feel even smaller! :lol:
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Postby verslibre » Wed Mar 16, 2011 10:33 am

Fact Finder wrote:http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2011/03/15/eveningnews/main20043554.shtml

The Fukushima 50: Not afraid to die

CBS News March 15, 2011
Jim Axelrod


Since the disaster struck in Japan, about 800 workers have been evacuated from the damaged nuclear complex in Fukushima. The radiation danger is that great.

However, CBS News correspondent Jim Axelrod reports that a handful have stayed on the job, risking their lives, to try to save the lives of countless people they don't even know.

Although communication with the workers inside the nuclear plant is nearly impossible, a CBS News consultant spoke to a Japanese official who made contact with one of the 50 inside the control center.

The official said that his friend, one of the Fukushima 50, told him that he was not afraid to die, that that was his job.

Cham Dallas, who led teams responding to the Chernobyl disaster, said that kind of response is not out of the normal for some workers in the nuclear energy sector.

"(In) my experience of people in the action area of nuclear power is much like that," Dallas said.

The 50 are working amid decreasing but still dangerously high levels of radiation.

"The longer they stay the more dangerous it becomes for them," said expert Margaret Harding. "I think it is a testament to their guts for them to say, 'We'll stay and if that means we go, we go.'"

If the contamination threat isn't contained in a few weeks, finding enough workers willing to face the risks could become a crucial challenge.

Dallas said he expects that in that scenario, the Japanese energy authorities may have to find volunteers willing to undergo similar dangers, which will be hard to do, but not impossible.

Keep in mind they'd be volunteering to head into a place so potentially dangerous, that anyone within 20 miles of it was just asked to evacuate.


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Postby Don » Wed Mar 16, 2011 10:42 am

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Postby slucero » Wed Mar 16, 2011 1:03 pm

I remember reading about some folks in Chernobyl that were selfless in that way.... amazing...
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Postby RocknRoll » Wed Mar 16, 2011 1:11 pm

slucero wrote:I remember reading about some folk in Chernobyl that where selfless in that way.... amazing...


I heard something about they all died within 3 months of their last effort to save what they could. :cry: I'm thinking thris group is better prepared and certainly wish them the best.
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Postby slucero » Wed Mar 16, 2011 2:03 pm

wow... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nbCcutzXzYg

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chernobyl_ ... _survivors

Fire containment


Shortly after the accident, firefighters arrived to try to extinguish the fires. First on the scene was a Chernobyl Power Station firefighter brigade under the command of Lieutenant Volodymyr Pravik, who died on 9 May 1986 of acute radiation sickness. They were not told how dangerously radioactive the smoke and the debris were, and may not even have known that the accident was anything more than a regular electrical fire: "We didn't know it was the reactor. No one had told us."[27]

Grigorii Khmel, the driver of one of the fire-engines, later described what happened:

We arrived there at 10 or 15 minutes to two in the morning ... We saw graphite scattered about. Misha asked: "What is graphite?" I kicked it away. But one of the fighters on the other truck picked it up. "It's hot," he said. The pieces of graphite were of different sizes, some big, some small enough to pick up ...
We didn't know much about radiation. Even those who worked there had no idea. There was no water left in the trucks. Misha filled the cistern and we aimed the water at the top. Then those boys who died went up to the roof—Vashchik Kolya and others, and Volodya Pravik ... They went up the ladder ... and I never saw them again
.[28]:54


However, Anatoli Zakharov, a fireman stationed in Chernobyl since 1980, offers a different description:

"I remember joking to the others, "There must be an incredible amount of radiation here. We'll be lucky if we're all still alive in the morning."


Twenty years after the disaster, he claimed the firefighters from the Fire Station No. 2 were aware of the risks.

"Of course we knew! If we'd followed regulations, we would never have gone near the reactor. But it was a moral obligation—our duty. We were like kamikaze."[29]


The immediate priority was to extinguish fires on the roof of the station and the area around the building containing Reactor No. 4 to protect No. 3 and keep its core cooling systems intact. The fires were extinguished by 5 a.m., but many firefighters received high doses of radiation. The fire inside Reactor No. 4 continued to burn until 10 May 1986; it is possible that well over half of the graphite burned out.[5]:73 The fire was extinguished by a combined effort of helicopters dropping over 5,000 metric tons of materials like sand, lead, clay, and boron onto the burning reactor and injection of liquid nitrogen. Ukrainian filmmaker Vladimir Shevchenko captured film footage of a Mi-8 helicopter as it collided with a nearby construction crane, causing the helicopter to fall near the damaged reactor building and kill its four-man crew.[30]

From eyewitness accounts of the firefighters involved before they died (as reported on the CBC television series Witness), one described his experience of the radiation as "tasting like metal," and feeling a sensation similar to that of pins and needles all over his face. (This is similar to the description given by Louis Slotin, a Manhattan Project physicist who died days after a fatal radiation overdose from a criticality accident.)[31]

The explosion and fire threw hot particles of the nuclear fuel and also far more dangerous fission products, radioactive isotopes such as caesium-137, iodine-131, strontium-90 and other radionuclides, into the air: the residents of the surrounding area observed the radioactive cloud on the night of the explosion.


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Postby Gin and Tonic Sky » Thu Mar 17, 2011 6:22 am

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I'd buy toilet paper... LOTS of it... you can't wipe your ass with gold... but lots of people will part with their gold to buy toilet paper to wipe their asses...
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Postby Journey Mom » Fri Mar 18, 2011 3:17 am

People getting off planes coming from Japan have set off radiation detectors in both Chicago and Dallas.
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Postby Saint John » Fri Mar 18, 2011 3:22 am

Journey Mom wrote:People getting off planes coming from Japan have set off radiation detectors in both Chicago and Dallas.


That happens once a week where I work, and that's from people that have had recent stress tests. It doesn't take much to set them off. Nothing to worry about.
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Postby Melissa » Fri Mar 18, 2011 3:29 am

Saint John wrote:
Journey Mom wrote:People getting off planes coming from Japan have set off radiation detectors in both Chicago and Dallas.


That happens once a week where I work, and that's from people that have had recent stress tests. It doesn't take much to set them off. Nothing to worry about.


Exactly, and people who get radioactive dye tests and chemo patients can too. Nothing for people to freak about.
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Postby Saint John » Fri Mar 18, 2011 3:44 am

Melissa wrote:
Saint John wrote:
Journey Mom wrote:People getting off planes coming from Japan have set off radiation detectors in both Chicago and Dallas.


That happens once a week where I work, and that's from people that have had recent stress tests. It doesn't take much to set them off. Nothing to worry about.


Exactly, and people who get radioactive dye tests and chemo patients can too. Nothing for people to freak about.


You're a sick fucker, Mel, so you'll appreciate this story! :lol: :shock: :wink: Our yards screen every truck that comes through for radiation and we often get false readings because of stress tests. It's easy to isolate, though, because we can scan the person him/herself rather easily, and we know to check for that first. Well, a few weeks ago we had a reading consistent with stress test dye so we used the hand held, but didn't find anything. To make a long story short, this guy had a stress test about 10 days prior but hadn't yet cleaned out the pisser//shitter in his truck. :lol: :shock: We isolated the "hot" reading coming from his toilet compartment. :evil: Sick bastard. :lol:
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Postby Melissa » Fri Mar 18, 2011 3:55 am

Saint John wrote:You're a sick fucker, Mel, so you'll appreciate this story! :lol: :shock: :wink: Our yards screen every truck that comes through for radiation and we often get false readings because of stress tests. It's easy to isolate, though, because we can scan the person him/herself rather easily, and we know to check for that first. Well, a few weeks ago we had a reading consistent with stress test dye so we used the hand held, but didn't find anything. To make a long story short, this guy had a stress test about 10 days prior but hadn't yet cleaned out the pisser//shitter in his truck. :lol: :shock: We isolated the "hot" reading coming from his toilet compartment. :evil: Sick bastard. :lol:


No I'm not! :lol: I'm just not a silly girly girl! :lol: But that IS disgusting! EW!! :lol:
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Postby Saint John » Fri Mar 18, 2011 4:00 am

Melissa wrote:
Saint John wrote:You're a sick fucker, Mel, so you'll appreciate this story! :lol: :shock: :wink: Our yards screen every truck that comes through for radiation and we often get false readings because of stress tests. It's easy to isolate, though, because we can scan the person him/herself rather easily, and we know to check for that first. Well, a few weeks ago we had a reading consistent with stress test dye so we used the hand held, but didn't find anything. To make a long story short, this guy had a stress test about 10 days prior but hadn't yet cleaned out the pisser//shitter in his truck. :lol: :shock: We isolated the "hot" reading coming from his toilet compartment. :evil: Sick bastard. :lol:


No I'm not! :lol: I'm just not a silly girly girl! :lol: But that IS disgusting! EW!! :lol:


Well, at least now we know how it works its way out of the body. :wink: Though, I probably could have gone the rest of my life without knowing that. :wink:
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Postby Melissa » Fri Mar 18, 2011 4:14 am

Saint John wrote:Well, at least now we know how it works its way out of the body. :wink: Though, I probably could have gone the rest of my life without knowing that. :wink:


Oh yeah, when I worked Med/Surg in a hospital years ago we had to use special precautions for that :lol:
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Postby Journey Mom » Sun Mar 20, 2011 3:00 am

Looks like food sales from only 1 prefecture have been halted. They got 1 of the reactors stabilized and are hoping to get power to the others soon.
My friend got back to Tokyo last night. She's leaving again today to go to Taiwan.
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Postby verslibre » Sun Mar 20, 2011 4:54 am

Fact Finder wrote:Just when you think you've seen everything there is to see on the internet.....

http://www.ustream.tv/channel/

Live Radiation Monitor in West Los Angeles

8) :)


That's the main page.

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Postby Rick » Mon Mar 28, 2011 9:45 am

They just had a 6.5 magnitude quake off of Japan. That's all they needed. :(

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110327/ap_ ... nami_alert
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Postby Babyblue » Mon Mar 28, 2011 9:55 am

Rick wrote:They just had a 6.5 magnitude quake off of Japan. That's all they needed. :(

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110327/ap_ ... nami_alert




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