Might Cain retire after this tour?

[Ritchie]

Cain looks bored as fuck, but there's a reason why both he and Neal cling to Journey like a life raft in the ocean. Post-ROR, while Journey was on hiatus, their careers somewhat floundered. Bad English's success was short-lived. They helped launch Michael Bolton's career with The Hunger (a great almost Journeyish album), and then that partnership dissolved. Without Journey, what exactly does Cain have? Like Andrew said, he's not going anywhere.

Cain's looked bored since Frontiers. But rest assured.... Journey's a well-oiled machine, and he's the grease.

More bull~pooh!! Utter ridiculousness ...YOU may have been, he was still rockin' that
smile and those twinkling eyes for the ROR tour ...which I loved!!
Can't speak for the Augeri era, folks ...how was his smile for that?!?

Cain is the glue,cement,grease,oil,sauce and the swiss army knife of Journey but don`t expect him to put on faces like Neal or run or jump like Pineda...hey the man has his dignity.

[SF-Dano]

I started to notice Cain's stage demeanor become substantially more subdued right around the time that tapegate broke or maybe the tour just before. He seemed his old usual self prior to that, at least from the times I saw them live and on the 2001 DVD. But no doubt you can tell the difference on the Revelation DVD and the Manila one. I think "Bored as Fuck" is an accurate description of his performance on the major part of both those DVDs.

[Michigan Girl]

I started to notice Cain's stage demeanor become substantially more subdued right around the time that tapegate broke or maybe the tour just before. He seemed his old usual self prior to that, at least from the times I saw them live and on the 2001 DVD. But no doubt you can tell the difference on the Revelation DVD and the Manila one. I think "Bored as Fuck" is an accurate description of his performance on the major part of both those DVDs.

Thank you!!
Someone can admit he is changed ...Had no clue about this, but yeah, it's so obvious something affected him
in a major way ...sad, would love to have the ol' guy back!!

[steveo777]

I started to notice Cain's stage demeanor become substantially more subdued right around the time that tapegate broke or maybe the tour just before. He seemed his old usual self prior to that, at least from the times I saw them live and on the 2001 DVD. But no doubt you can tell the difference on the Revelation DVD and the Manila one. I think "Bored as Fuck" is an accurate description of his performance on the major part of both those DVDs.

Thank you!!
Someone can admit he is changed ...Had no clue about this, but yeah, it's so obvious something affected him
in a major way ...sad, would love to have the ol' guy back!!

Shame.

But he still has to make a living and Journey is the bulk of his indentity.

[RedWingFan]

The first part isn't boredom at all. Just be around the guy at any time and you instantly realize that he's a pretty shy guy, and I've seen that look at meet and greets Even when Tito and I met walking down the street in downtown Milwaukee he seemed pretty shy. That "look" isn't only seen on stage.

Whoa, whoa, whoa.... Mr. "I have no desire to hang with the band, it's all about the music to me" goes to meet and greets?

What did Cain agree to plug in his keytar and play you a private version of Faithfully to lure you there for the music?

Hell dude, I remember being right there with you and teasing Dean about being some kind of groupie to the band. Now you're qualified to make statements like this? "Just be around the guy at any time and you instantly realize that he's a pretty shy guy"

You've become all that you made fun of Rockin'St. Johno.

[Don]

I don't totally buy into the consensus that Jon can really find success writing music outside of Journey. He's had a few semi- decent tunes sang by outside artists but for the most part his time away from Journey has been very mediocre. 10 solo albums and yet has anyone ever heard anything from them? The guy is like Perry and Schon, without the other two pieces there is definitely a lack of magic.
I do think if Schon tries to continue down the path of a harder edge Journey and Jon feels he's being sidelined on the next album, then Cain may say he's had enough.

If people think he looks bored now, imagine how he'll be when he feels his creative partnership is no longer 50/50 or greater like it has been since 1981. Then, I think you'll see a guy truly going through the motions.

[Jana]

I don't totally buy into the consensus that Jon can really find success writing music outside of Journey. He's had a few semi- decent tunes sang by outside artists but for the most part his time away from Journey has been very mediocre. 10 solo albums and yet has anyone ever heard anything from them? The guy is like Perry and Schon, without the other two pieces there is definitely a lack of magic.
I do think if Schon tries to continue down the path of a harder edge Journey and Jon feels he's being sidelined on the next album, then Cain may say he's had enough.

If people think he looks bored now, imagine how he'll be when he feels his creative partnership is no longer 50/50 or greater like it has been since 1981. Then, I think you'll see a guy truly going through the motions.

I agree. But will there really be another album, anyway? I wonder. I guess if this one sells really well. But Jon will not give in to another Eclipse on the next one or will bail. I agree with you. The next one, if there is one, I would love to see an Arrival feeling intsrumentwise. Loved the balance of keys, guitar and drums on it.

[Vocalsmanvocals]

I don't totally buy into the consensus that Jon can really find success writing music outside of Journey. He's had a few semi- decent tunes sang by outside artists but for the most part his time away from Journey has been very mediocre. 10 solo albums and yet has anyone ever heard anything from them? The guy is like Perry and Schon, without the other two pieces there is definitely a lack of magic.
I do think if Schon tries to continue down the path of a harder edge Journey and Jon feels he's being sidelined on the next album, then Cain may say he's had enough.

If people think he looks bored now, imagine how he'll be when he feels his creative partnership is no longer 50/50 or greater like it has been since 1981. Then, I think you'll see a guy truly going through the motions.

Great post. It would be hard to imagine Journey without Cain because Cain did take them to superstardom with Perry and Schon with his song writing. Jon always rocks that harmonica the last few times they have toured. I am not the biggest fan of that harmonica but he has some skills for sure! I don't think Jon is going anywhere now that he has a soaring tenor lead singer again in Arnel.

[FamilyMan]

Cain looks bored as fuck, but there's a reason why both he and Neal cling to Journey like a life raft in the ocean. Post-ROR, while Journey was on hiatus, their careers somewhat floundered. Bad English's success was short-lived. They helped launch Michael Bolton's career with The Hunger (a great almost Journeyish album), and then that partnership dissolved. Without Journey, what exactly does Cain have? Like Andrew said, he's not going anywhere.

Cain's looked bored since Frontiers. But rest assured.... Journey's a well-oiled machine, and he's the grease.

More bull~pooh!! Utter ridiculousness ...YOU may have been, he was still rockin' that
smile and those twinkling eyes for the ROR tour ...which I loved (-a couple of missing pieces)!!
Can't speak for the Augeri era, folks ...how was his smile for that?!?

My mistake... He did look pretty happy with that keyboard-guitar contraption on ROR.

[Majestic]

I don't totally buy into the consensus that Jon can really find success writing music outside of Journey. He's had a few semi- decent tunes sang by outside artists but for the most part his time away from Journey has been very mediocre. 10 solo albums and yet has anyone ever heard anything from them? The guy is like Perry and Schon, without the other two pieces there is definitely a lack of magic.
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True, but he's never tried his hand at country yet. Even a few of the songs Cain wrote for journey, like 'Loved by You' on Arrival, would make great country songs, and, if performed by the right artist, could be a big hit. I don't think he could ever replicate the huge success he's had in Journey, but the kind of success and recognition he could get i Nashville might be very fulfilling for him as an artist. If you read the article about his move to Nashville over at his website, you can get the feel of how much he likes it there and the kind of projects he's got in the works.

[marco17]

Cain hasn't looked happy for a while. I may be totally off, but I think the whole letting SA go thru Arnel joining took his toll on him emotionally, maybe moreso than other members. Journey is his solid paycheck and likely he'll continue to tour as long as they do. It doesn't mean he's as into doing the dirty dozen every night, and frankly could be very bored, but he knows what keeps him financially secure. But, he is probably thinking what he is going to do post-Journey. I doubt he wants to be 75 rocking DSB everynight.

[RocknRoll]

When they announce a tour with a full Orchestra backing them up for a 4 hour show...THEN it's over...Or so I heard from someone.

Just read where Deep Purple will be touring North America with a full 30 piece orchestra. Although, I really thought they were done years ago.

[ebake02]

His decision will come down to $. He'll make a lot more money touring with journey then what he ever will producing and songwriting in Nashville. He'll never give up the Journey cash cow.

[Saint John]

The first part isn't boredom at all. Just be around the guy at any time and you instantly realize that he's a pretty shy guy, and I've seen that look at meet and greets Even when Tito and I met walking down the street in downtown Milwaukee he seemed pretty shy. That "look" isn't only seen on stage.

Whoa, whoa, whoa.... Mr. "I have no desire to hang with the band, it's all about the music to me" goes to meet and greets?

What did Cain agree to plug in his keytar and play you a private version of Faithfully to lure you there for the music?

Hell dude, I remember being right there with you and teasing Dean about being some kind of groupie to the band. Now you're qualified to make statements like this? "Just be around the guy at any time and you instantly realize that he's a pretty shy guy"

You've become all that you made fun of Rockin'St. Johno.

One meet and greet. Deen came up to our table in Milwaukee and gave them to us. He recognized us from the show. We were in Hooters after the show and the band came in. I have passed up back stage opportunities more than once. Not really my thing. The one I did go to was in 1998. Politely declined when Dean offered tickets and passes a few years back.

[Red13JoePa]

Love the periodic bogus Cain gloom and doom that pops up whenever the band is on another postive precipice.

He looks fired up and intense to me, what the fuck is the guy supposed to go grin and kick up his heels like a Rockette while playing all the time?

He's playing an intense moody rocker like Where Did I Lose Your Love or an intensely musicianed ballad like What I Needed and people try to insinuate that if he doesn't look like Steve Martin doing balloon animals while playing that the band is over.

[G.I.Jim]

Love the periodic bogus Cain gloom and doom that pops up whenever the band is on another postive precipice.

He looks fired up and intense to me, what the fuck is the gus supposed to go grin and kick up his heels like a Rockette while playing all the time?

He's playing an intense moody rocker like Where Did I Lose Your Love or an intensely musicianed ballad like What I Needed and people try to insinuate that if he doesn't look like Steve Martin doing balloon animals while playing that the band is over.

That was hilarious man!

[Michigan Girl]

Love the periodic bogus Cain gloom and doom that pops up whenever the band is on another postive precipice.

He looks fired up and intense to me, what the fuck is the guy supposed to go grin and kick up his heels like a Rockette while playing all the time?

He's playing an intense moody rocker like Where Did I Lose Your Love or an intensely musicianed ballad like What I Needed and people try to insinuate that if he doesn't look like Steve Martin doing balloon animals while playing that the band is over.

I don't know about the gloom and doom, but grin occasionally?!? YES!! Kick up
his heels like a rockette?!? I've seen him do this ...it does nothing for his character/reputation ...
and it takes him to a whole new level of HEEEEHAAAAWW so, NO!!!

[Majestic]

Love the periodic bogus Cain gloom and doom that pops up whenever the band is on another postive precipice.

He looks fired up and intense to me, what the fuck is the guy supposed to go grin and kick up his heels like a Rockette while playing all the time?

He's playing an intense moody rocker like Where Did I Lose Your Love or an intensely musicianed ballad like What I Needed and people try to insinuate that if he doesn't look like Steve Martin doing balloon animals while playing that the band is over.

You're right, this isn't the first time for this type of discussion. But if you read on Cain's website about his recent move, his activities and interests, and considering how long he's been doing the Journey thing, I think it's worth thinking about whether or not he might eventually pursue those interests full time. The bored looks or lack of "Rockette heel kicking" doesn't worry me so much though!

[SF-Dano]

Just going by what we have documented on DVD out for public consumption.....it is clear to see that Friga's demeanor is much more dour, sullen, melancholy (you choose the descriptive) on the Revelation (Vegas) DVD and the Manila DVD compared to the 2011 (Vegas) DVD. Whether these were two isolated incindents that found there way to DVD, well I suppose that part is open for debate.

[ebake02]

If any musician has a right to be bored it's Vivian Campbell. He can play Phil Collen under the table but instead he's stuck playing a very quiet rhythm guitar.

[VirgilTheart]

If any musician has a right to be bored it's Vivian Campbell. He can play Phil Collen under the table but instead he's stuck playing a very quiet rhythm guitar.

Fix'd.

But nevertheless, god this is true. I don't listen to much Def Leppard, being honest with myself, but I've listened to plenty of what Vivian himself has done when he was with Dio (RIP btw ) and he's a terrific player.

Didn't Vivian recently join Thin Lizzy?

[SF-Dano]

If any musician has a right to be bored it's Vivian Campbell. He can play Phil Collen under the table but instead he's stuck playing a very quiet rhythm guitar.

Fix'd.

But nevertheless, god this is true. I don't listen to much Def Leppard, being honest with myself, but I've listened to plenty of what Vivian himself has done when he was with Dio (RIP btw ) and he's a terrific player.

Didn't Vivian recently join Thin Lizzy?

Absolutely Vivian is a great player. He kind handcuffed himself with statements like "I don't like playing metal anymore" and then joining and playing second fiddle in Def Leppard. Not sure why he never lasted with Whitesnake. I thought he was back to reforming his band, Riverdogs, I think it was.

His playing while in DIO was stellar though. Far beyond anything I have ever heard Phil Collen play.

[ebake02]

If any musician has a right to be bored it's Vivian Campbell. He can play Phil Collen under the table but instead he's stuck playing a very quiet rhythm guitar.

Fix'd.

But nevertheless, god this is true. I don't listen to much Def Leppard, being honest with myself, but I've listened to plenty of what Vivian himself has done when he was with Dio (RIP btw ) and he's a terrific player.

Didn't Vivian recently join Thin Lizzy?

When I saw them during the Def Leppard/Journey tour, Vivian did play lead very much. When he did though, he made Collen look like a beginner. His solo is Rainbow in the Dark is my favorite.

[Infinity Vocalist 2010]

I have been thinking the same about Friga. Just watch Live in Manila at the end of Any Way You Want It... he looks happy that it's almost over... and then they go back for the encore. Poor guy.

[Babyblue]

Could careless if he stays or goes.

[S2M]

Could careless if he stays or goes.

So you could care even less? It's COULDN'T care less....you've been watching too much AI.

[Babyblue]

Could careless if he stays or goes.

So you could care even less? It's COULDN'T care less....you've been watching too much AI.

You got me.

[RocknRoll]

It looks to me like Jon is controlling things on stage. He's always intently watching both Neal and Arnel. Doesn't he play the keyboards, guitar, the harmonica and control the background vocals. The guy has a lot going on during any show!! He's just busy!!

[steveo777]

It looks to me like Jon is controlling things on stage. He's always intently watching both Neal and Arnel. Doesn't he play the keyboards, guitar, the harmonica and control the background vocals. The guy has a lot going on during any show!! He's just busy!!

Ding Ding Ding....I think we have a winner, here folks!

+ he has the laptop to worry about and the Hammond. He's got a lot of shit going on.

[Seven Wishes2]

Cain's not going to subtly bow out of this Renoir. The last Journey album and tour, which I foresee happening in 8-10 years, will be primed and pumped for all it's worth. Oh, and it's NOT going to include Stunning Steve, who is as retired as Stravinsky and Sonny Bono.