Idea for Escape 30th Celebration

[RobbieG]

Absolutely true. This is Journey's last studio album.

Utter rubbish.

You are correct Andrew, they have plenty more albums.

[conversationpc]

Absolutely true. This is Journey's last studio album.

Utter rubbish.

You are correct Andrew, they have plenty more albums.

I've said it before, and I like "Eclipse"...I don't think they will want to go out on this note, i.e. an album viewed as different from much of the rest of their catalog.

[Monker]

Again, I have to say...while some may be stuck on numbers and base that as their opinion that this album is a flop...I don't see it as a flop at all. Its an artistic achievement in my ears. and many others who have heard it. I can paint something that is only seen by few and feel I achieved what I tried to convey if only a few like it. Some of y'all are only looking at a big scale measurement of what is successful in your eyes only. This genre of music isn't the most popular in the mainstream and hasn't been for a long time....but that doesn't mean artists of this genre aren't having success's, they are,...just at a different scale then the genre had in the past and many still having some success during trying times... so measurements of "success" should be adjusted accordingly.

Is your art mass produced? I didn't think so. Apples and Oranges.

If I made prints of the originals, it would be.

That's now how it works. Somebody would buy the rights to make prints of the originals and then sell them. If they bought the rights and thought they would sell 500,000 copies at $10, but only sold 100,000...and the result was a huge loss...I doubt they would ever make a deal to distribute your art again.

I don't mass distribute my art, I don't even make any prints at all of the originals at this point in time. If I did start making prints I would not sell the rights to someone else. I would pay a printer of course, but I would retain my copyright. I could also print them myself.

Anyway, I completely understand what you are talking about as I have just spoken to some of it. I know how it all works. You aren't getting what I mean though in how one chooses to measure success with something they've done. Oh, and you may not be aware of it but most artists have a private collection of some of their work. Some things they may keep to themselves....not because they feel it isn't good in all cases...but often it's a piece(s) that is meaningful to them in some way and they don't want to put up for sale. Therefore it has a value other than money to them and more than money and they measure the success of the piece in a whole different way. With that said...if the work put out is liked by one other person as well as the creator, it is a success if the artist is looking for approval. If they expose the piece to more and more like it then thats further approval. Depends on how much the artist wants and is expecting. To you the album is not a success if it doesn't meet your measurement of success. Measurements vary depending on who is looking at them and success can be defined in different ways.

Someone who invests their money in a project measures "success" by the return they receive on the investment... meaning profit.

That is what Don meant. And its what JC meant when he even said they only reason they got to do Eclipse was the success of Revelation.... so either they intentionally jumped the shark or this is an unintentional commercial flop...

I don't think it was intentional. This is the type of album Neal has wanted to do from the time of Arrival. It was a do or die album, and it died.

[Monker]

Again, I have to say...while some may be stuck on numbers and base that as their opinion that this album is a flop...I don't see it as a flop at all. Its an artistic achievement in my ears. and many others who have heard it. I can paint something that is only seen by few and feel I achieved what I tried to convey if only a few like it. Some of y'all are only looking at a big scale measurement of what is successful in your eyes only. This genre of music isn't the most popular in the mainstream and hasn't been for a long time....but that doesn't mean artists of this genre aren't having success's, they are,...just at a different scale then the genre had in the past and many still having some success during trying times... so measurements of "success" should be adjusted accordingly.

Is your art mass produced? I didn't think so. Apples and Oranges.

If I made prints of the originals, it would be.

That's now how it works. Somebody would buy the rights to make prints of the originals and then sell them. If they bought the rights and thought they would sell 500,000 copies at $10, but only sold 100,000...and the result was a huge loss...I doubt they would ever make a deal to distribute your art again.

I don't mass distribute my art, I don't even make any prints at all of the originals at this point in time. If I did start making prints I would not sell the rights to someone else. I would pay a printer of course, but I would retain my copyright. I could also print them myself.

Anyway, I completely understand what you are talking about as I have just spoken to some of it. I know how it all works. You aren't getting what I mean though in how one chooses to measure success with something they've done. Oh, and you may not be aware of it but most artists have a private collection of some of their work. Some things they may keep to themselves....not because they feel it isn't good in all cases...but often it's a piece(s) that is meaningful to them in some way and they don't want to put up for sale. Therefore it has a value other than money to them and more than money and they measure the success of the piece in a whole different way. With that said...if the work put out is liked by one other person as well as the creator, it is a success if the artist is looking for approval. If they expose the piece to more and more like it then thats further approval. Depends on how much the artist wants and is expecting. To you the album is not a success if it doesn't meet your measurement of success. Measurements vary depending on who is looking at them and success can be defined in different ways.

Someone who invests their money in a project measures "success" by the return they receive on the investment... meaning profit.

That is what Don meant. And its what JC meant when he even said they only reason they got to do Eclipse was the success of Revelation.... so either they intentionally jumped the shark or this is an unintentional commercial flop...

I think they just went into it with the mindset of making an album the way they wanted to, by going back to some roots, the foundation records ( the stone, in Perry's words) and bringing that sound and style back in to the music and saying what they wanted to say and just put it out and see how it would do without spending tons in advance to try to sell it, therefore spending whatever profits generated or even more. Obviously there was not a plan in place other then to release it and tour, initially, but Andrew stated that there will be more promotion forthcoming for both the album and the US leg of the tour. If that's true or not, then time will tell. If so, then obviously all party's must have decided to spend some money after all so someone(s) must feel it worthwhile to do so. I was only making the point previously that there are different measurements of success artistically. I'm sure they also, and most especially Irving Azoff, have the bottom line in terms of money as a measurement. As a fan, though, my measurement of success is in my ears alone.

Wow...too late.

All parties? Who? I doubt very, very, very much that Wal-mart is going to do ANYTHING or spend ANY money. This CD is taking up too much shelf space, to much space in store rooms and warehouses. If Wal-mart does anything it will be to deeply discount the CD, or sell off their inventory to some type of discounter...They will want to free up shelf space and storage space for NEW product.

Believing in any new promotion or that this CD is going to move any better then it is right now is just foolish.

Before this CD was released, people here thought it would sell better then Revelation. now you are making excuses and saying the band didn't try. Bullshit. They wanted this CD to sell....and it sold to the fans...but not the masses who only care about a few Journey songs. The masses bought Revelation...only the fans bought Eclipse. Everybody completely confused those two groups and thought they were the same.

[slucero]

Again, I have to say...while some may be stuck on numbers and base that as their opinion that this album is a flop...I don't see it as a flop at all. Its an artistic achievement in my ears. and many others who have heard it. I can paint something that is only seen by few and feel I achieved what I tried to convey if only a few like it. Some of y'all are only looking at a big scale measurement of what is successful in your eyes only. This genre of music isn't the most popular in the mainstream and hasn't been for a long time....but that doesn't mean artists of this genre aren't having success's, they are,...just at a different scale then the genre had in the past and many still having some success during trying times... so measurements of "success" should be adjusted accordingly.

Is your art mass produced? I didn't think so. Apples and Oranges.

If I made prints of the originals, it would be.

That's now how it works. Somebody would buy the rights to make prints of the originals and then sell them. If they bought the rights and thought they would sell 500,000 copies at $10, but only sold 100,000...and the result was a huge loss...I doubt they would ever make a deal to distribute your art again.

I don't mass distribute my art, I don't even make any prints at all of the originals at this point in time. If I did start making prints I would not sell the rights to someone else. I would pay a printer of course, but I would retain my copyright. I could also print them myself.

Anyway, I completely understand what you are talking about as I have just spoken to some of it. I know how it all works. You aren't getting what I mean though in how one chooses to measure success with something they've done. Oh, and you may not be aware of it but most artists have a private collection of some of their work. Some things they may keep to themselves....not because they feel it isn't good in all cases...but often it's a piece(s) that is meaningful to them in some way and they don't want to put up for sale. Therefore it has a value other than money to them and more than money and they measure the success of the piece in a whole different way. With that said...if the work put out is liked by one other person as well as the creator, it is a success if the artist is looking for approval. If they expose the piece to more and more like it then thats further approval. Depends on how much the artist wants and is expecting. To you the album is not a success if it doesn't meet your measurement of success. Measurements vary depending on who is looking at them and success can be defined in different ways.

Someone who invests their money in a project measures "success" by the return they receive on the investment... meaning profit.

That is what Don meant. And its what JC meant when he even said they only reason they got to do Eclipse was the success of Revelation.... so either they intentionally jumped the shark or this is an unintentional commercial flop...

I think they just went into it with the mindset of making an album the way they wanted to, by going back to some roots, the foundation records ( the stone, in Perry's words) and bringing that sound and style back in to the music and saying what they wanted to say and just put it out and see how it would do without spending tons in advance to try to sell it, therefore spending whatever profits generated or even more. Obviously there was not a plan in place other then to release it and tour, initially, but Andrew stated that there will be more promotion forthcoming for both the album and the US leg of the tour. If that's true or not, then time will tell. If so, then obviously all party's must have decided to spend some money after all so someone(s) must feel it worthwhile to do so. I was only making the point previously that there are different measurements of success artistically. I'm sure they also, and most especially Irving Azoff, have the bottom line in terms of money as a measurement. As a fan, though, my measurement of success is in my ears alone.

So your "measure of success" isn't quantitative... thats fine... but only meaningful to you...

That measure however is simply not what is used to determine if an artist gets another $300K to go into the studio... because if one used that measure, and continued to fund albums for an artist that weren't commercially successful, they'd eventually run out of money..

I'm not sure if Journey self-funded the recording of Eclipse... but its almost irrelevant as no one likes to invest in a money-loser... and producers don't like to agree to working with bands that create material that doesn't sell.. as the producers get points that never pay off (with sales)...

[Monker]

Absolutely true. This is Journey's last studio album.

Utter rubbish.

That's what I was constantly told 15yrs ago about Steve Perry never touring again.

[conversationpc]

Absolutely true. This is Journey's last studio album.

Utter rubbish.

That's what I was constantly told 15yrs ago about Steve Perry never touring again.

Ummm...Steve Perry HASN'T toured in the last 15 years. His last tour was, what, 17 years ago now.

[steveo777]

Absolutely true. This is Journey's last studio album.

Utter rubbish.

That's what I was constantly told 15yrs ago about Steve Perry never touring again.

I think you're missing a main difference.......Journey is active and Perry is retired. I know where to place my bets.

[Monker]

Again, I have to say...while some may be stuck on numbers and base that as their opinion that this album is a flop...I don't see it as a flop at all. Its an artistic achievement in my ears. and many others who have heard it. I can paint something that is only seen by few and feel I achieved what I tried to convey if only a few like it. Some of y'all are only looking at a big scale measurement of what is successful in your eyes only. This genre of music isn't the most popular in the mainstream and hasn't been for a long time....but that doesn't mean artists of this genre aren't having success's, they are,...just at a different scale then the genre had in the past and many still having some success during trying times... so measurements of "success" should be adjusted accordingly.

Is your art mass produced? I didn't think so. Apples and Oranges.

If I made prints of the originals, it would be.

That's now how it works. Somebody would buy the rights to make prints of the originals and then sell them. If they bought the rights and thought they would sell 500,000 copies at $10, but only sold 100,000...and the result was a huge loss...I doubt they would ever make a deal to distribute your art again.

I don't mass distribute my art, I don't even make any prints at all of the originals at this point in time. If I did start making prints I would not sell the rights to someone else. I would pay a printer of course, but I would retain my copyright. I could also print them myself.

Anyway, I completely understand what you are talking about as I have just spoken to some of it. I know how it all works. You aren't getting what I mean though in how one chooses to measure success with something they've done. Oh, and you may not be aware of it but most artists have a private collection of some of their work. Some things they may keep to themselves....not because they feel it isn't good in all cases...but often it's a piece(s) that is meaningful to them in some way and they don't want to put up for sale. Therefore it has a value other than money to them and more than money and they measure the success of the piece in a whole different way. With that said...if the work put out is liked by one other person as well as the creator, it is a success if the artist is looking for approval. If they expose the piece to more and more like it then thats further approval. Depends on how much the artist wants and is expecting. To you the album is not a success if it doesn't meet your measurement of success. Measurements vary depending on who is looking at them and success can be defined in different ways.

Someone who invests their money in a project measures "success" by the return they receive on the investment... meaning profit.

That is what Don meant. And its what JC meant when he even said they only reason they got to do Eclipse was the success of Revelation.... so either they intentionally jumped the shark or this is an unintentional commercial flop...

I think they just went into it with the mindset of making an album the way they wanted to, by going back to some roots, the foundation records ( the stone, in Perry's words) and bringing that sound and style back in to the music and saying what they wanted to say and just put it out and see how it would do without spending tons in advance to try to sell it, therefore spending whatever profits generated or even more. Obviously there was not a plan in place other then to release it and tour, initially, but Andrew stated that there will be more promotion forthcoming for both the album and the US leg of the tour. If that's true or not, then time will tell. If so, then obviously all party's must have decided to spend some money after all so someone(s) must feel it worthwhile to do so. I was only making the point previously that there are different measurements of success artistically. I'm sure they also, and most especially Irving Azoff, have the bottom line in terms of money as a measurement. As a fan, though, my measurement of success is in my ears alone.

Mine is not the perspective I am trying to give. To a retailer or a publisher and specificaly Wal-Mart, Eclipse was a money losing failure.

As for the rest of your post, I'll quote, "The greatest compliment an artist can receive is to be told that his work has touched someone in a special way." Tommy Shaw told me that in an Email years and years ago....and yes, I know that it is true.

[Monker]

Absolutely true. This is Journey's last studio album.

Utter rubbish.

That's what I was constantly told 15yrs ago about Steve Perry never touring again.

I think you're missing a main difference.......Journey is active and Perry is retired. I know where to place my bets.

And, 15yrs ago Perry was snubbing Journey and not touring for TBF, and recording "I Stand Along", releasing GH+5, etc...and hardly anybody on thiese forum was saying he was 'retired', well, except for me., after I heard "I Stand Alone" and I started believing he would never record a new studio album either.

[conversationpc]

And, 15yrs ago Perry was snubbing Journey and not touring for TBF, and recording "I Stand Along", releasing GH+5, etc...and hardly anybody on thiese forum was saying he was 'retired', well, except for me., after I heard "I Stand Alone" and I started believing he would never record a new studio album either.

I haven't heard that one...Was that a b-side?

[S2M]

And, 15yrs ago Perry was snubbing Journey and not touring for TBF, and recording "I Stand Along", releasing GH+5, etc...and hardly anybody on thiese forum was saying he was 'retired', well, except for me., after I heard "I Stand Alone" and I started believing he would never record a new studio album either.

I haven't heard that one...Was that a b-side?

You mean besides being a lame song?

You see what I did there?

[conversationpc]

And, 15yrs ago Perry was snubbing Journey and not touring for TBF, and recording "I Stand Along", releasing GH+5, etc...and hardly anybody on thiese forum was saying he was 'retired', well, except for me., after I heard "I Stand Alone" and I started believing he would never record a new studio album either.

I haven't heard that one...Was that a b-side?

You mean besides being a lame song?

You see what I did there?

Pointing out the joke...A sure sign it failed to even get off the launch pad.

[S2M]

And, 15yrs ago Perry was snubbing Journey and not touring for TBF, and recording "I Stand Along", releasing GH+5, etc...and hardly anybody on thiese forum was saying he was 'retired', well, except for me., after I heard "I Stand Alone" and I started believing he would never record a new studio album either.

I haven't heard that one...Was that a b-side?

You mean besides being a lame song?

You see what I did there?

Pointing out the joke...A sure sign it failed to even get off the launch pad.

It was Bush's fault.....

[Blueskies]

Again, I have to say...while some may be stuck on numbers and base that as their opinion that this album is a flop...I don't see it as a flop at all. Its an artistic achievement in my ears. and many others who have heard it. I can paint something that is only seen by few and feel I achieved what I tried to convey if only a few like it. Some of y'all are only looking at a big scale measurement of what is successful in your eyes only. This genre of music isn't the most popular in the mainstream and hasn't been for a long time....but that doesn't mean artists of this genre aren't having success's, they are,...just at a different scale then the genre had in the past and many still having some success during trying times... so measurements of "success" should be adjusted accordingly.

Is your art mass produced? I didn't think so. Apples and Oranges.

If I made prints of the originals, it would be.

That's now how it works. Somebody would buy the rights to make prints of the originals and then sell them. If they bought the rights and thought they would sell 500,000 copies at $10, but only sold 100,000...and the result was a huge loss...I doubt they would ever make a deal to distribute your art again.

I don't mass distribute my art, I don't even make any prints at all of the originals at this point in time. If I did start making prints I would not sell the rights to someone else. I would pay a printer of course, but I would retain my copyright. I could also print them myself.

Anyway, I completely understand what you are talking about as I have just spoken to some of it. I know how it all works. You aren't getting what I mean though in how one chooses to measure success with something they've done. Oh, and you may not be aware of it but most artists have a private collection of some of their work. Some things they may keep to themselves....not because they feel it isn't good in all cases...but often it's a piece(s) that is meaningful to them in some way and they don't want to put up for sale. Therefore it has a value other than money to them and more than money and they measure the success of the piece in a whole different way. With that said...if the work put out is liked by one other person as well as the creator, it is a success if the artist is looking for approval. If they expose the piece to more and more like it then thats further approval. Depends on how much the artist wants and is expecting. To you the album is not a success if it doesn't meet your measurement of success. Measurements vary depending on who is looking at them and success can be defined in different ways.

Someone who invests their money in a project measures "success" by the return they receive on the investment... meaning profit.

That is what Don meant. And its what JC meant when he even said they only reason they got to do Eclipse was the success of Revelation.... so either they intentionally jumped the shark or this is an unintentional commercial flop...

I think they just went into it with the mindset of making an album the way they wanted to, by going back to some roots, the foundation records ( the stone, in Perry's words) and bringing that sound and style back in to the music and saying what they wanted to say and just put it out and see how it would do without spending tons in advance to try to sell it, therefore spending whatever profits generated or even more. Obviously there was not a plan in place other then to release it and tour, initially, but Andrew stated that there will be more promotion forthcoming for both the album and the US leg of the tour. If that's true or not, then time will tell. If so, then obviously all party's must have decided to spend some money after all so someone(s) must feel it worthwhile to do so. I was only making the point previously that there are different measurements of success artistically. I'm sure they also, and most especially Irving Azoff, have the bottom line in terms of money as a measurement. As a fan, though, my measurement of success is in my ears alone.

Wow...too late.

All parties? Who? I doubt very, very, very much that Wal-mart is going to do ANYTHING or spend ANY money. This CD is taking up too much shelf space, to much space in store rooms and warehouses. If Wal-mart does anything it will be to deeply discount the CD, or sell off their inventory to some type of discounter...They will want to free up shelf space and storage space for NEW product.

Believing in any new promotion or that this CD is going to move any better then it is right now is just foolish.

Before this CD was released, people here thought it would sell better then Revelation. now you are making excuses and saying the band didn't try. Bullshit. They wanted this CD to sell....and it sold to the fans...but not the masses who only care about a few Journey songs. The masses bought Revelation...only the fans bought Eclipse. Everybody completely confused those two groups and thought they were the same.

I should not have said all that have been involved up to this point as I had the band and management in mind in what I was saying and not Walmart. That I agree with, I don't think Walmart will be spending any money to promote it at all and will most likely end up discounting it and/or selling it off in time.

As far as further promotion being foolish...thats your opinion, but obviously the band or management or both must have some reasons for thinking otherwise, if that is indeed what they plan to do. I'm sure they didn't make the decision to spend on promotion without having some indicators for return of investment.

I am not someone who made predictions on this album. I wasn't even on here to. Yes they wanted it to sell to the fans. Neal even said in an interview that "this one is for the fans". So they put it out with basically only the fans knowing and spreading the word that it was out. Now they are touring with diehards along with casual fans coming to the shows so they are going to promote it much more. Obviously, as I said, they must think it's worthwhile to do. I'm sure, like everyone else, the belt was tightened on this album and promotion to expend as little as possible to get as much maximum return as possible.

Dang, I'm done talking too much business wise right now..at least on this forum. It's boring. Ha! Which reminds me of a lurker here saying on another forum that I was boring......which is funny because I've not gotten into the business aspect talk before or kept a leger sheet of sales and figures like some have. Yawn!
I can be really boring and continue to talk about business but I prefer to concentrate on my own business and talk more about the creative side on here for the most part, and just enjoy the music... so I'll leave this conversation to you guys.

[Seven Wishes2]

Here's an idea.

WRITE A FUCKING SONG WITH A HOOK AND A CATCHY CHORUS!

Eclipse sucks donkey balls.

[steveo777]

Here's an idea.

WRITE A FUCKING SONG WITH A HOOK AND A CATCHY CHORUS!

Eclipse sucks donkey balls.

Eclipse does not suck donkey balls, unless you were looking for the traditional ballad heavy album. The album was meant to be this
way....on purpose. Some of us like it, some of us don't. The next album might return back to that syrupy shit again. Nobody buys
either variety anymore, at least not in mass. If Frontiers had not been released until today, having never been sung by Perry to
begin with, I doubt even it would sell as much as their last two albums prior to Eclipse.

[Andrew]

Absolutely true. This is Journey's last studio album.

Utter rubbish.

That's what I was constantly told 15yrs ago about Steve Perry never touring again.

Blind Freddy could have told you that. Those two things have NOTHING to do with each other. What a pointless post.

[Andrew]

Here's an idea.

WRITE A FUCKING SONG WITH A HOOK AND A CATCHY CHORUS!

Eclipse sucks donkey balls.

Here's another idea...play every other Journey album back to back and get your fix. Then play Eclipse for something a little different.

[steveo777]

There really needs to be a limit on how many douche baggist posts each member is allowed to make.

[separate_wayz]

Besides the Sunday morning show on CBS, Jon says the band has no plans regarding doing anything specific to celebrate Escape's 30th anniversary.
Come hell or high water, the next two years are dedicated to promoting Eclipse.

This is the weirdest marketing approach. Ignore an opportunity to ride the 30-year anniversary of one of the most popular albums of the '80s (Escape). Instead, promote an album that is not viewed as a success by (1) critics, (2) casual fans, or even (3) hard-core fans (i.e., this board), who seem to be at best split 50-50.

If the band had promoted the 30-year anniversary of Escape, they could still maybe have tried to release some new material to piggy-back on the resulting attention.

[steveo777]

Besides the Sunday morning show on CBS, Jon says the band has no plans regarding doing anything specific to celebrate Escape's 30th anniversary.
Come hell or high water, the next two years are dedicated to promoting Eclipse.

This is the weirdest marketing approach. Ignore an opportunity to ride the 30-year anniversary of one of the most popular albums of the '80s (Escape). Instead, promote an album that is not viewed as a success by (1) critics, (2) casual fans, or even (3) hard-core fans (i.e., this board), who seem to be at best split 50-50.

If the band had promoted the 30-year anniversary of Escape, they could still maybe have tried to release some new material to piggy-back on the resulting attention.

Interesting post. Lots of thoughts in there to ponder.

[Blueskies]

There really needs to be a limit on how many douche baggist posts each member is allowed to make.

and on that note of laughter...I'm outta here for awhile. Have some projects to get done without distraction. See y'all later.

[fredinator]

Absolutely true. This is Journey's last studio album.

Utter rubbish.

You are correct Andrew, they have plenty more albums.

Awesome to hear these things Andrew...

[Don]

Absolutely true. This is Journey's last studio album.

Utter rubbish.

That's what I was constantly told 15yrs ago about Steve Perry never touring again.

Ummm...Steve Perry HASN'T toured in the last 15 years. His last tour was, what, 17 years ago now.

I think Monker was saying that HE himself said Perry would never tour again 15 years ago and was told at that time, "Rubbish."

At least, that's what I think he was implying.

[Greg]

Absolutely true. This is Journey's last studio album.

Utter rubbish.

That's what I was constantly told 15yrs ago about Steve Perry never touring again.

Ummm...Steve Perry HASN'T toured in the last 15 years. His last tour was, what, 17 years ago now.

I think Monker was saying that HE himself said Perry would never tour again 15 years ago and was told at that time, "Rubbish."

At least, that's what I think he was implying.

Yep, that's what he was implying. I'm not sure it's utter rubbish to say this is Journey's last album. Probably at least Journey's last album with a Walmart deal.

[The_Noble_Cause]

Absolutely true. This is Journey's last studio album.

As long as Neal is out on the road, he will find some excuse to enter the studio and relieve the monotony of playing the same solos over and over, night after night. The Wmart deal is def. kaput tho.

[The_Noble_Cause]

Here's an idea.

WRITE A FUCKING SONG WITH A HOOK AND A CATCHY CHORUS!

Eclipse sucks donkey balls.

"Someone", "Ritual", "Chain of Love" and "Anything is Possible" are all plenty catchy. Clean out your ears.

[steveo777]

Absolutely true. This is Journey's last studio album.

As long as Neal is out on the road, he will find some excuse to enter the studio and relieve the monotony of playing the same solos over and over, night after night. The Wmart deal is def. kaput tho.

Screw Walmart. It doesn't appear that they helped market Eclipse. Amazon and Itunes are still great options for Journey's next album.

[The_Noble_Cause]

That's what I was constantly told 15yrs ago about Steve Perry never touring again.

Dude, in all your time posting here, you've yet to make one accurate prediction. Of all the MR doomsayers, it was Deano, not you, that saw the writing on the wall, did some investigate spade work, and called this band out. Where were your powers of clairvoyance then? You're full of shit.