Audience at tea party debate cheers leaving uninsured to die

[artist4perry]

I watch part of that debate and the bullshit was so deep I don't know how they could stand on that stage.

I hear the same BS in the Democratic debates. Face it........Politicians are 90% BS 10% human.

Why do you think most of their eyes are brown.

[brandonx76]

Nobody has the right to the services of any professional individual or group simply because they want or desperately need them.

It's a moral issue, no?

[RossValoryRocks]

Nobody has the right to the services of any professional individual or group simply because they want or desperately need them.

It's a moral issue, no?

It is a moral issue...but not the one you are thinking of...the moral or immoral part, is that people are involuntarily deprived of the fruits of their own labors in order to provide for others who may or may not be able to provide for themselves.

No person should have to give up what they have earned under duress for any reason. Before the semi-welfare state we had private institutions that provided the very care people are clamoring for almost totally supported by the voluntary donations of individuals and they provided better care than any government run institution of the day.

[brandonx76]

Nobody has the right to the services of any professional individual or group simply because they want or desperately need them.

It's a moral issue, no?

It is a moral issue...but not the one you are thinking of...the moral or immoral part, is that people are involuntarily deprived of the fruits of their own labors in order to provide for others who may or may not be able to provide for themselves.

No person should have to give up what they have earned under duress for any reason. Before the semi-welfare state we had private institutions that provided the very care people are clamoring for almost totally supported by the voluntary donations of individuals and they provided better care than any government run institution of the day.

hahaha, way to spin...I think I'll go watch some Star Trek

[RossValoryRocks]

Nobody has the right to the services of any professional individual or group simply because they want or desperately need them.

It's a moral issue, no?

It is a moral issue...but not the one you are thinking of...the moral or immoral part, is that people are involuntarily deprived of the fruits of their own labors in order to provide for others who may or may not be able to provide for themselves.

No person should have to give up what they have earned under duress for any reason. Before the semi-welfare state we had private institutions that provided the very care people are clamoring for almost totally supported by the voluntary donations of individuals and they provided better care than any government run institution of the day.

hahaha, way to spin...I think I'll go watch some Star Trek

Ahh yes another deluded liberal who thinks its right to take from me (and others) to give to someone else who has not earned it, out of some mistaken belief that is "fair".

[Ehwmatt]

I posted this because of the audience reaction, the tea party railed against the health care bill saying the the "Democrats want to kill grandma" but now all the sudden it's ok to let grandma die if she doesn't have insurance? What about people like me who CAN'T AFFORD health insurance? I'm not eligible for health insurance through my employer because I only work part time and I can't afford the outrageous cost of getting it on my own. So, according to some of you people, if wreck my car on my way class tomorrow it's perfectly fine for the doctors and paramedics to leave me on the side of the road to die so the government doesn't have to pay my medical bills.

Wait just a minute here. Aren't you relatively young (26, 27?) and presumably healthy? Don't you also live at home or at least did so until very recently? You should have no problem buying a policy for yourself. In fact, I buy my own coverage and don't use my employer's coverage at all. It's cheaper and I'm not subsidizing some old partner's sick wife. Even with the student loans you incessantly bitch about on here, maybe you need to go take a financial planning class or talk to a financial planner who can help you allocate basic funds.

A 20 hour paycheck at 7.75/hour doesn't go very far asshole, half of my paychecks every week go towards putting gas in my car. My financial planning is just fine too so you can go fuck yourself.

20 hours a week? What are you doing with the rest of your time during the week? I can see I struck a nerve. Perhaps you should look in the mirror.

[artist4perry]

Stupid premise is that anyone would be just left to die at a hospital. Never happens. Even if you cannot pay they will see you in an emergency and most hospitals have a payment plan for the uninsured. You can pay a hospital what you can each month and they will take it.

Ebake, the country would go bankrupt trying to take over medical health care. We only need to look at other countries to see this is what happens. Sugar I have been uninsured, and sick. Trust me if they get it in, you will pay the lions share of that 20 hour a week paycheck to pay for it, or maybe you won't even have a job at all. After all if your employer is forced to pay for health benefits he may be force to let people go, or close out all together.

I now have health insurance as a teacher. I pay for it plenty trust me. If your employer has to start providing part of it for you he will take a percentage from your check as well. Be careful what you wish for.

[ebake02]

I posted this because of the audience reaction, the tea party railed against the health care bill saying the the "Democrats want to kill grandma" but now all the sudden it's ok to let grandma die if she doesn't have insurance? What about people like me who CAN'T AFFORD health insurance? I'm not eligible for health insurance through my employer because I only work part time and I can't afford the outrageous cost of getting it on my own. So, according to some of you people, if wreck my car on my way class tomorrow it's perfectly fine for the doctors and paramedics to leave me on the side of the road to die so the government doesn't have to pay my medical bills.

Wait just a minute here. Aren't you relatively young (26, 27?) and presumably healthy? Don't you also live at home or at least did so until very recently? You should have no problem buying a policy for yourself. In fact, I buy my own coverage and don't use my employer's coverage at all. It's cheaper and I'm not subsidizing some old partner's sick wife. Even with the student loans you incessantly bitch about on here, maybe you need to go take a financial planning class or talk to a financial planner who can help you allocate basic funds.

A 20 hour paycheck at 7.75/hour doesn't go very far asshole, half of my paychecks every week go towards putting gas in my car. My financial planning is just fine too so you can go fuck yourself.

20 hours a week? What are you doing with the rest of your time during the week? I can see I struck a nerve. Perhaps you should look in the mirror.

Sitting in classes and what free time I do have is spent doing homework those classes. I have classes from 8:30am-3:30pm during the week and I usually work nights and weekends. Plus add in a 2 hour round trip commute to college.

[RossValoryRocks]

I posted this because of the audience reaction, the tea party railed against the health care bill saying the the "Democrats want to kill grandma" but now all the sudden it's ok to let grandma die if she doesn't have insurance? What about people like me who CAN'T AFFORD health insurance? I'm not eligible for health insurance through my employer because I only work part time and I can't afford the outrageous cost of getting it on my own. So, according to some of you people, if wreck my car on my way class tomorrow it's perfectly fine for the doctors and paramedics to leave me on the side of the road to die so the government doesn't have to pay my medical bills.

Wait just a minute here. Aren't you relatively young (26, 27?) and presumably healthy? Don't you also live at home or at least did so until very recently? You should have no problem buying a policy for yourself. In fact, I buy my own coverage and don't use my employer's coverage at all. It's cheaper and I'm not subsidizing some old partner's sick wife. Even with the student loans you incessantly bitch about on here, maybe you need to go take a financial planning class or talk to a financial planner who can help you allocate basic funds.

A 20 hour paycheck at 7.75/hour doesn't go very far asshole, half of my paychecks every week go towards putting gas in my car. My financial planning is just fine too so you can go fuck yourself.

20 hours a week? What are you doing with the rest of your time during the week? I can see I struck a nerve. Perhaps you should look in the mirror.

Sitting in classes and what free time I do have is spent doing homework those classes. I have classes from 8:30am-3:30pm during the week and I usually work nights and weekends. Plus add in a 2 hour round trip commute to college.

You're still in school and your bitching already?? Are your student loans federally subsidized?

[brandonx76]

Ahh yes another deluded liberal who thinks its right to take from me (and others) to give to someone else who has not earned it, out of some mistaken belief that is "fair".

What color's the sky in your world?

[ebake02]

I posted this because of the audience reaction, the tea party railed against the health care bill saying the the "Democrats want to kill grandma" but now all the sudden it's ok to let grandma die if she doesn't have insurance? What about people like me who CAN'T AFFORD health insurance? I'm not eligible for health insurance through my employer because I only work part time and I can't afford the outrageous cost of getting it on my own. So, according to some of you people, if wreck my car on my way class tomorrow it's perfectly fine for the doctors and paramedics to leave me on the side of the road to die so the government doesn't have to pay my medical bills.

Wait just a minute here. Aren't you relatively young (26, 27?) and presumably healthy? Don't you also live at home or at least did so until very recently? You should have no problem buying a policy for yourself. In fact, I buy my own coverage and don't use my employer's coverage at all. It's cheaper and I'm not subsidizing some old partner's sick wife. Even with the student loans you incessantly bitch about on here, maybe you need to go take a financial planning class or talk to a financial planner who can help you allocate basic funds.

A 20 hour paycheck at 7.75/hour doesn't go very far asshole, half of my paychecks every week go towards putting gas in my car. My financial planning is just fine too so you can go fuck yourself.

20 hours a week? What are you doing with the rest of your time during the week? I can see I struck a nerve. Perhaps you should look in the mirror.

Sitting in classes and what free time I do have is spent doing homework those classes. I have classes from 8:30am-3:30pm during the week and I usually work nights and weekends. Plus add in a 2 hour round trip commute to college.

You're still in school and your bitching already?? Are your student loans federally subsidized?

Not all of them, I have a lot of private student loans from my Bachelor's degree and some of my federal loans are unsubsidized.

[ebake02]

My work hours usually vary between 20-28 hours a week but I average closer to 20, not to mention I work in NY too so I get raped in taxes.

[ebake02]

e, I don't know where you are in PA, but I just searched Berks County at random....go here and put in 3 simple answers, none intrusive, and get your own quote....I see 3 off the top for a Male, non-somker, age 25 at $50 a month or less. How anyone can't do this is beyond me, especially if you have a cell, net and cable. Priorities dude.

https://www.ehealthinsurance.com/ehi/if ... tion=PRICE

Potter County for me and the cheapest I found was $52.29.

[RossValoryRocks]

Ahh yes another deluded liberal who thinks its right to take from me (and others) to give to someone else who has not earned it, out of some mistaken belief that is "fair".

What color's the sky in your world?

I live in the real world...not the pseudosocialsit utopia you seem to want...and the sky is blue.

You have anything intelligent to add to the discussion??? Do you think taking money from people who work hard for it, and giving it to someone who doesn't is fair?

[RossValoryRocks]

e, I don't know where you are in PA, but I just searched Berks County at random....go here and put in 3 simple answers, none intrusive, and get your own quote....I see 3 off the top for a Male, non-somker, age 25 at $50 a month or less. How anyone can't do this is beyond me, especially if you have a cell, net and cable. Priorities dude.

https://www.ehealthinsurance.com/ehi/if ... tion=PRICE

Potter County for me and the cheapest I found was $52.29.

Per Month???? That's fantastic. You don't want to know what I pay per month.

[artist4perry]

e, I don't know where you are in PA, but I just searched Berks County at random....go here and put in 3 simple answers, none intrusive, and get your own quote....I see 3 off the top for a Male, non-somker, age 25 at $50 a month or less. How anyone can't do this is beyond me, especially if you have a cell, net and cable. Priorities dude.

https://www.ehealthinsurance.com/ehi/if ... tion=PRICE

Potter County for me and the cheapest I found was $52.29.

Per Month???? That's fantastic. You don't want to know what I pay per month.

I pay around 400 I believe? It isn't cheep, and it is just my coverage.

[Angel]

if wreck my car on my way class tomorrow it's perfectly fine for the doctors and paramedics to leave me on the side of the road to die so the government doesn't have to pay my medical bills.

Well, did the Government wreck your car? Did the taxpayers wreck your car? Don't think so-why should they be responsible to pay for your care associated with the wreck?

[artist4perry]

if wreck my car on my way class tomorrow it's perfectly fine for the doctors and paramedics to leave me on the side of the road to die so the government doesn't have to pay my medical bills.

Well, did the Government wreck your car? Did the taxpayers wreck your car? Don't think so-why should they be responsible to pay for your care associated with the wreck?

LOL, I just had to laugh, ebake how many dying people do you see left on the side of the road by the doctors and paramedics. They take care of you and worry about billing later. Piles of the dead, lining the streets...........

[Ehwmatt]

if wreck my car on my way class tomorrow it's perfectly fine for the doctors and paramedics to leave me on the side of the road to die so the government doesn't have to pay my medical bills.

Well, did the Government wreck your car? Did the taxpayers wreck your car? Don't think so-why should they be responsible to pay for your care associated with the wreck?

Apparently he is driving without insurance as well

[Ehwmatt]

e, I don't know where you are in PA, but I just searched Berks County at random....go here and put in 3 simple answers, none intrusive, and get your own quote....I see 3 off the top for a Male, non-somker, age 25 at $50 a month or less. How anyone can't do this is beyond me, especially if you have a cell, net and cable. Priorities dude.

https://www.ehealthinsurance.com/ehi/if ... tion=PRICE

Potter County for me and the cheapest I found was $52.29.

Per Month???? That's fantastic. You don't want to know what I pay per month.

Christ, no kidding.

[ebake02]

if wreck my car on my way class tomorrow it's perfectly fine for the doctors and paramedics to leave me on the side of the road to die so the government doesn't have to pay my medical bills.

Well, did the Government wreck your car? Did the taxpayers wreck your car? Don't think so-why should they be responsible to pay for your care associated with the wreck?

Apparently he is driving without insurance as well

It was just a hypothetical.I was referring to the medical injuries not the car.

[brandonx76]

Ahh yes another deluded liberal who thinks its right to take from me (and others) to give to someone else who has not earned it, out of some mistaken belief that is "fair".

What color's the sky in your world?

I live in the real world...not the pseudosocialsit utopia you seem to want...and the sky is blue.

You have anything intelligent to add to the discussion???

Relax bud...Jesus loves you and so do I, because I'm "Christ-like"...

I'll take the Utopian label - shouldn't we be making the world a better place to live?

While I agree the food stamp economy is getting way the fuck outta hand, I asked if there was a moral issue in turning away decent people born into poverty who can't afford health insurance or those who have had their insurance cancelled due to pre-existing conditions...I think that's wrong and we need a system that protects...So what can we do to take care of those folks? Nothing? Just throw the baby out with the bathwater? The answer's not so simple, which is why I asked the question hoping to see what someone can offer other than the same tired old bullshit Limbaugh/Fox News talking points.

[ebake02]

e, I don't know where you are in PA, but I just searched Berks County at random....go here and put in 3 simple answers, none intrusive, and get your own quote....I see 3 off the top for a Male, non-somker, age 25 at $50 a month or less. How anyone can't do this is beyond me, especially if you have a cell, net and cable. Priorities dude.

https://www.ehealthinsurance.com/ehi/if ... tion=PRICE

Potter County for me and the cheapest I found was $52.29.

Well, that's not outrageous...look into buying some. Only $12.07 per week.

Seriously, that's cheap at twice the price.

BTW, do Colleges in PA not make Health Ins a requirement for enrollment. My kid, and now my wife, who has enrolled in night classes, were required to be covered before attending?

Not where I've attended, all they require is a meningitis vaccine. Up until now the only cost I had ever seen was the letter I got when I left my job to go back to school. Blue Cross tried to tell me that it would cost $698 a month to keep my health insurance.

[donnaplease]

e, I don't know where you are in PA, but I just searched Berks County at random....go here and put in 3 simple answers, none intrusive, and get your own quote....I see 3 off the top for a Male, non-somker, age 25 at $50 a month or less. How anyone can't do this is beyond me, especially if you have a cell, net and cable. Priorities dude.

https://www.ehealthinsurance.com/ehi/if ... tion=PRICE

Potter County for me and the cheapest I found was $52.29.

Well, that's not outrageous...look into buying some. Only $12.07 per week.

Seriously, that's cheap at twice the price.

BTW, do Colleges in PA not make Health Ins a requirement for enrollment. My kid, and now my wife, who has enrolled in night classes, were required to be covered before attending?

Not where I've attended, all they require is a meningitis vaccine. Up until now the only cost I had ever seen was the letter I got when I left my job to go back to school. Blue Cross tried to tell me that it would cost $698 a month to keep my health insurance.

Sounds like you've set your priorities ~ more education over a job that offers group health insurance. Now there are those of us who have to work full time and attand school part-time because we need to have things like... health insurance. It's all good, I'm not criticizing your priorities or what is right for you. I just shouldn't have to pay for mine and yours too. Plus, if you're talking about a COBRA plan from your former employer, they are always outrageously expensive!

[steveo777]

One day, recently, the owner of the business where I work said he's gonna have to start charging "some of you older guys" more money for your health insurance. Can he say that?
I always thought group medical insurance was the same rate for the group, depending on what coverages you choose, how many family members, etc. He then went on to say that he was gonna have to find a different group carrier for the older guys to give a break to the younger employees. He made it sound like the older people were causing the younger group to have higher rates.

[pinkfloyd1973]

I posted this because of the audience reaction, the tea party railed against the health care bill saying the the "Democrats want to kill grandma" but now all the sudden it's ok to let grandma die if she doesn't have insurance? What about people like me who CAN'T AFFORD health insurance? I'm not eligible for health insurance through my employer because I only work part time and I can't afford the outrageous cost of getting it on my own. So, according to some of you people, if wreck my car on my way class tomorrow it's perfectly fine for the doctors and paramedics to leave me on the side of the road to die so the government doesn't have to pay my medical bills.

Don't feel bad, I work full-time and can't afford the crappy insurance I have

[Archetype]

I don't believe health care is a right. You have a right to health care if you can pay for it, if you can earn it by your own action and effort. Nobody has the right to the services of any professional individual or group simply because they want or desperately need them.

Of course you have to pay for health care, but HEALTH INSURANCE should be more affordable so EVERYONE can afford & have insurance.

There will always be someone who can't afford it. Where do we draw the line?

OK , anyone WORKING should be allowed to buy healthcare by paying around 5% of his income for insurance for himself, or 10% of his income for his family,... better?

Some people make about $25,000 a year. Are you telling me that for $2,500 a year, an entire family could be insured? There are many doctor visits that cost more than $2,500 for just once visit. Now go a few times a year maybe and add in the rest of the family; impossible. You want a solution? Abolish all insurance. Insurance artificially inflates the cost of medical care. I am a young adult in my 20s and I do not carry any type of insurance whatsoever. But, I still get the care I need, when I need it. Hospitals and doctors often offer pretty steep discounts when you pay with cash, and it's still profitable for them. They charge obscene prices when you use insurance for two basic reasons: Administrative hassle, and the fact that the patient won't directly feel the "sting" if the price because insurance picks most of it up. They get very lucrative salaries that way.

[Angel]

They charge obscene prices when you use insurance for two basic reasons: Administrative hassle, and the fact that the patient won't directly feel the "sting" if the price because insurance picks most of it up. They get very lucrative salaries that way.

Actually, insurance companies dictate what they will pay so it doesn't matter what a healthcare provider charges, they can't collect more than the amount the insurance company will pay....

[ebake02]

e, I don't know where you are in PA, but I just searched Berks County at random....go here and put in 3 simple answers, none intrusive, and get your own quote....I see 3 off the top for a Male, non-somker, age 25 at $50 a month or less. How anyone can't do this is beyond me, especially if you have a cell, net and cable. Priorities dude.

https://www.ehealthinsurance.com/ehi/if ... tion=PRICE

Potter County for me and the cheapest I found was $52.29.

Well, that's not outrageous...look into buying some. Only $12.07 per week.

Seriously, that's cheap at twice the price.

BTW, do Colleges in PA not make Health Ins a requirement for enrollment. My kid, and now my wife, who has enrolled in night classes, were required to be covered before attending?

Not where I've attended, all they require is a meningitis vaccine. Up until now the only cost I had ever seen was the letter I got when I left my job to go back to school. Blue Cross tried to tell me that it would cost $698 a month to keep my health insurance.

Sounds like you've set your priorities ~ more education over a job that offers group health insurance.

More education so I can find a higher paying job. Got sick and tired of factory work.

[Ehwmatt]

One day, recently, the owner of the business where I work said he's gonna have to start charging "some of you older guys" more money for your health insurance. Can he say that?
I always thought group medical insurance was the same rate for the group, depending on what coverages you choose, how many family members, etc. He then went on to say that he was gonna have to find a different group carrier for the older guys to give a break to the younger employees. He made it sound like the older people were causing the younger group to have higher rates.

He probably shouldn't be saying that. Invites a nice discrimination or ERISA lawsuit later when he fires someone over 40. As for the quote in bold, of course the older, less healthy people cause the rates to go up. That's the whole idea of (group) insurance! The less risky members of a group subsidize the more risky ones. In the end, saying shit like that to employees when your a supervisor, owner, CEO, or other decision maker is very stupid.