Why never JSS??

[AR]

At the moment, Journey's live concerts are as successful as ever...[/

But I would say that without a doubt Journey are currently enjoying the most success that they've ever had in the post-Perry era.

Disagree.

They were a big draw with Augeri for quite awhile.

Now I do think on the last tour with Revelation you may have a point though because they moved some product. They have become more visible, but the tour packages have had to be stronger as well. It is a debatable point for sure.

[jihavoh]

Depended on the tour...in 2002, I thought SA was pretty dynamic. In 2004 and 2005, he sorta sleptwalk thru it.[/quote]

Probably because he was questioning why he was there every night, because he couldn't sing the songs worth a damn at that point. 2002 was probably the last good year with him. Wasn't that the Red13 tour? My favorite with SA.

[Behshad]

Why is everyone having problems with quotes in this thread?

Augeri sounded perfect in 2006. ALMOST as good as he did on the albums!

[jihavoh]

Why is everyone having problems with quotes in this thread?

Augeri sounded perfect in 2006. ALMOST as good as he did on the albums!

Then you either weren't there or you heard Deen lol

[marco17]

Depended on the tour...in 2002, I thought SA was pretty dynamic. In 2004 and 2005, he sorta sleptwalk thru it.

Probably because he was questioning why he was there every night, because he couldn't sing the songs worth a damn at that point. 2002 was probably the last good year with him. Wasn't that the Red13 tour? My favorite with SA.[/quote]

I think it might have gone deeper than just "sleepwalking" through the shows... the musical types might be able to confirm, but that time frame saw so much being pumped through the soundboard...vocals, backing vocals, etc to help Augeri, that they may not have been able to deviate much to give Elson to best chance not to mess up, and it gave the impression that they were phoning it in. I mean, not right, and I get the challenges SA was having, but they even piped in Cain's lead vocals on Every Generation in concert, and he could sing.....

[Behshad]

Why is everyone having problems with quotes in this thread?

Augeri sounded perfect in 2006. ALMOST as good as he did on the albums!

Then you either weren't there or you heard Deen lol

Think again

[Monker]

I still think the Wal-mart deal was coming down, and JSS just could not do the rerecords as well as they had hoped...So, they started looking for somebody who could do those songs much closer to the original version. I think it was a combination of that, chemistry with the band, and the fans mixed reaction to JSS.

100% false. JSS sounds awesome recreating the hits. I've heard 4 tracks that were tested out. And what I saw, JSS was warmly embraced by fans. It all had to do with personal issues.

It really doesn't matter what you think, or I think, or anybody else.

It matters what Wal-mart thought and if they heard those same recordings, saw the shows, and felt he wasn't Perry enough. That's what i am saying. Neal promoted them as a 'new direction'...I doubt Wal-mart wanted that. When Arnel joined, it was all about the retro sound and embracing the classic Perry era - THAT is what I think Wal-Mart wanted.

Also, he wasn't as warmly embraced as you want to believe. He made Journey look odd onstage...many people felt that way. Journey OPENED for Def Leppard, and they looked and played like an opening band. Maybe that changed later in the tour...but I doubt it. They were in a band in flux with JSS...and nobody really knew where they were going to end up. With Arnel, all they had to do was listen to DSB - and know Journey was going to emulate that sound to make as much $'s as possible.

[Rockindeano]

I still think the Wal-mart deal was coming down, and JSS just could not do the rerecords as well as they had hoped...So, they started looking for somebody who could do those songs much closer to the original version. I think it was a combination of that, chemistry with the band, and the fans mixed reaction to JSS.

100% false. JSS sounds awesome recreating the hits. I've heard 4 tracks that were tested out. And what I saw, JSS was warmly embraced by fans. It all had to do with personal issues.

It really doesn't matter what you think, or I think, or anybody else.

It matters what Wal-mart thought and if they heard those same recordings, saw the shows, and felt he wasn't Perry enough. That's what i am saying. Neal promoted them as a 'new direction'...I doubt Wal-mart wanted that. When Arnel joined, it was all about the retro sound and embracing the classic Perry era - THAT is what I think Wal-Mart wanted.

Also, he wasn't as warmly embraced as you want to believe. He made Journey look odd onstage...many people felt that way. Journey OPENED for Def Leppard, and they looked and played like an opening band. Maybe that changed later in the tour...but I doubt it. They were in a band in flux with JSS...and nobody really knew where they were going to end up. With Arnel, all they had to do was listen to DSB - and know Journey was going to emulate that sound to make as much $'s as possible.

Monker, in my mind, you are a top 5 poster and your knowledge of Journey is mind boggling. I have yet to see anyone come close to matching wits and history regarding Journey as you. However, and this isn't my opinion, but rather a fact; Journey blew those poser Euros away every night. The newspaper review back that up. I must have saw 25 shows that tour, sitting everywhere from the back row, to standing on stage...the bands weren't close at all. The JSS led Journey literally schooled those miming smelly pussies nightly.

[knox]

JSS got me excited again about Journey. He was the real deal, and sang from the heart.

I was sad it didn't happen in the studio.

[RossValoryRocks]

This is what Journey COULD have sounded like with JSS:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UWoaB95dtx4

Rich...melodic...vibrant.

[Ehwmatt]

This is what Journey COULD have sounded like with JSS:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UWoaB95dtx4

Rich...melodic...vibrant.

It's a great song. Honestly, I'm glad the Journey label isn't on it. I can enjoy the song on its own merits.

[RossValoryRocks]

This is what Journey COULD have sounded like with JSS:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UWoaB95dtx4

Rich...melodic...vibrant.

It's a great song. Honestly, I'm glad the Journey label isn't on it. I can enjoy the song on its own merits.

It is a great tune...and it stand well on it's own merits...I was just saying what a JSS lead Journey could have been...it would have been different that the typical greatest hits sound, but equally as powerful if given the chance.

[Gideon]

Am I wrong or did JSS not any write a song from that album?

[RossValoryRocks]

Am I wrong or did JSS not any write a song from that album?

I gotta go find my liner notes...so I can't honestly tell you...but I doubt that is the case knowing Jeff.

[Deb]

This is what Journey COULD have sounded like with JSS:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UWoaB95dtx4

Rich...melodic...vibrant.

It's a great song. Honestly, I'm glad the Journey label isn't on it. I can enjoy the song on its own merits.

It is a great tune...and it stand well on it's own merits...I was just saying what a JSS lead Journey could have been...it would have been different that the typical greatest hits sound, but equally as powerful if given the chance.

True dat! I've only ever been into Journey twice, otherwise pretty indifferent. And fully admit, being a vocal nut, that the pipes had almost everything to do with it. Would love to have heard at least one JSS fronted album out of Journey tho.......damnit!

[Andrew]

Am I wrong or did JSS not any write a song from that album?

Correct, he did not. But will on album #2.

[perryswoman]

JSS got me excited again about Journey. He was the real deal, and sang from the heart.

I was sad it didn't happen in the studio.

Me too

[Arkansas]

... The JSS led Journey...

And perhaps therein, lies part of the untold story.

It's Schon's band, and Cain is a close 2nd. The inner struggle probably just wasn't about what sounded good, or what was right, it was more likely about Schon & Cain fearing a loss of control. Not that Soto could have taken control, but the egos and creative direction would have clashed. So the immediate choice was to nip it in the bud before it ever took off.

I'd even wager a guess that if Schon had taken a hard stance to keep Soto in the band, then Cain might have left. And sensing that, then Journey made excuses about getting a new guy that could sing the catalog with more of a legacy (soprano-tenor) sound. They probably thought that finding some 'diamond in the rough', rather than a seasoned veteran, was better for them personally.

And I'll add, that something similar was probably behind them not going with JH. I think most of us know that Jeremey could easily have been the next Journey singer, but the fact that he contributed right off the bat (NWA) may have shaken them a little. Dunno...pure observation, speculation.


later~

[Gideon]

I don't know the man, but I've never really thought that Cain had a particularly tremendous ego. Schon and Perry seemed to always tie for first by a landslide there.

[AR]

... The JSS led Journey...

And perhaps therein, lies part of the untold story.

It's Schon's band, and Cain is a close 2nd. The inner struggle probably just wasn't about what sounded good, or what was right, it was more likely about Schon & Cain fearing a loss of control. Not that Soto could have taken control, but the egos and creative direction would have clashed. So the immediate choice was to nip it in the bud before it ever took off.

I'd even wager a guess that if Schon had taken a hard stance to keep Soto in the band, then Cain might have left. And sensing that, then Journey made excuses about getting a new guy that could sing the catalog with more of a legacy (soprano-tenor) sound. They probably thought that finding some 'diamond in the rough', rather than a seasoned veteran, was better for them personally.

And I'll add, that something similar was probably behind them not going with JH. I think most of us know that Jeremey could easily have been the next Journey singer, but the fact that he contributed right off the bat (NWA) may have shaken them a little. Dunno...pure observation, speculation.


later~

I always got a bad vibe about Friga and Jeff in 2006-07. No chemistry there. There WAS though between JSS and Schon. Neal seemed excited to have Jeff on board and Cain seemed standoffish at best. Just an observation.

[steveo777]

JSS got me excited again about Journey. He was the real deal, and sang from the heart.

I was sad it didn't happen in the studio.

Me too

You two are fucking crazy. JSS was about as un-Journey as you could get.

Andrew, please close this ridiculous thread. It doesn't belong here.

[AR]

JSS got me excited again about Journey. He was the real deal, and sang from the heart.

I was sad it didn't happen in the studio.

Me too

You two are fucking crazy. JSS was about as un-Journey as you could get.

Andrew, please close this ridiculous thread. It doesn't belong here.

Yeah he was un-Journey. Not a back stabber, and would never have sent a pink slip through Kevin Cronin by accident.

You make a great point.

[Andrew]

JSS got me excited again about Journey. He was the real deal, and sang from the heart.

I was sad it didn't happen in the studio.

Me too

You two are fucking crazy. JSS was about as un-Journey as you could get.

Andrew, please close this ridiculous thread. It doesn't belong here.

I disagree.

[steveo777]

JSS got me excited again about Journey. He was the real deal, and sang from the heart.

I was sad it didn't happen in the studio.

Me too

You two are fucking crazy. JSS was about as un-Journey as you could get.

Andrew, please close this ridiculous thread. It doesn't belong here.

I disagree.

I'm glad you do. That's what makes this place fun.

[Monker]

This is what Journey COULD have sounded like with JSS:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UWoaB95dtx4

Rich...melodic...vibrant.

It's a great song. Honestly, I'm glad the Journey label isn't on it. I can enjoy the song on its own merits.

It is a great tune...and it stand well on it's own merits...I was just saying what a JSS lead Journey could have been...it would have been different that the typical greatest hits sound, but equally as powerful if given the chance.

I would not want that sound on any Journey album. it sounds way too much like a FTLOSM song for me.

And, there are MUCH better songs on WET then this. I would MUCH rather have JSS in that band then Journey.

[Saint John]

This is what Journey COULD have sounded like with JSS:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UWoaB95dtx4

Rich...melodic...vibrant.

Sounds like a lame Perry imitation. Great music, though.

[AR]

This is what Journey COULD have sounded like with JSS:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UWoaB95dtx4

Rich...melodic...vibrant.

Sounds like a lame Perry imitation. Great music, though.

Isn't that what "legacy sound" means?

[Saint John]

This is what Journey COULD have sounded like with JSS:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UWoaB95dtx4

Rich...melodic...vibrant.

Sounds like a lame Perry imitation. Great music, though.

Isn't that what "legacy sound" means?

It actually gets far more latitude here because it's NOT Journey, but if he EVER sang like that on a Journey song it would be vomit inducing. He's trying his absolute hardest to SING like Perry. I believe he's mentioned in the past that the phrasing was "in homage" to Perry. And it's ok, because it's with another band. But I just can't get past hearing a guy try to be someone else. On original material? No thanks. But I'm only talking about THIS song.

[AR]

This is what Journey COULD have sounded like with JSS:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UWoaB95dtx4

Rich...melodic...vibrant.

Sounds like a lame Perry imitation. Great music, though.

Isn't that what "legacy sound" means?

It actually gets far more latitude here because it's NOT Journey, but if he EVER sang like that on a Journey song it would be vomit inducing. He's trying his absolute hardest to SING like Perry. I believe he's mentioned in the past that the phrasing was "in homage" to Perry. And it's ok, because it's with another band. But I just can't get past hearing a guy try to be someone else. On original material? No thanks. But I'm only talking about THIS song.

Now you know how I feel about the guys in Yes and Boston.

[Saint John]

Now you know how I feel about the guys in Yes and Boston.

I'm ok with doing it on the old material, as that's what people want to hear, but don't do that with new shit.