The Better Overall Musician - Neal Schon or Eddie Van Halen?

[AR]

He's forgotten in the general public. Decent to good guitar player.

I think you might be selling Schon short. Just a little.

Horrible person. I've been around him. Speaking my mind. Just one of those stupid people who open their mouths and you just cringe.

You're preaching to the choir, man. You oughta meet my old lady.

The only thing I will give Neal is that he would speak his mind in person in front of you no matter how stupid and wrong his opinions were.

[Gideon]

He's forgotten in the general public. Decent to good guitar player.

I think you might be selling Schon short. Just a little.

Horrible person. I've been around him. Speaking my mind. Just one of those stupid people who open their mouths and you just cringe.

You're preaching to the choir, man. You oughta meet my old lady.

The only thing I will give Neal is that he would speak his mind in person in front of you no matter how stupid and wrong his opinions were.

Ed, were my puns really that bad that you of all people didn't appreciate them?

[Jeremey]

Eddie's by far the better musician and writer.

Neal is actually the better guitar player though.

[AR]

He's forgotten in the general public. Decent to good guitar player.

I think you might be selling Schon short. Just a little.

Horrible person. I've been around him. Speaking my mind. Just one of those stupid people who open their mouths and you just cringe.

You're preaching to the choir, man. You oughta meet my old lady.

The only thing I will give Neal is that he would speak his mind in person in front of you no matter how stupid and wrong his opinions were.

Ed, were my puns really that bad that you of all people didn't appreciate them?

I followed you Gid. I have a little more lee-way here after a few months and have to get my digs in at some (within reason).

[Gideon]

He's forgotten in the general public. Decent to good guitar player.

I think you might be selling Schon short. Just a little.

Horrible person. I've been around him. Speaking my mind. Just one of those stupid people who open their mouths and you just cringe.

You're preaching to the choir, man. You oughta meet my old lady.

The only thing I will give Neal is that he would speak his mind in person in front of you no matter how stupid and wrong his opinions were.

Ed, were my puns really that bad that you of all people didn't appreciate them?

I followed you Gid. I have a little more lee-way here after a few months and have to get my digs in at some (within reason).

The thing I appreciate is you have no problem directing it at everyone in the Journey camp. Your Perry parody {Perrydy?} was hilarious in that respect, no one was spared.

[AR]

He's forgotten in the general public. Decent to good guitar player.

I think you might be selling Schon short. Just a little.

Horrible person. I've been around him. Speaking my mind. Just one of those stupid people who open their mouths and you just cringe.

You're preaching to the choir, man. You oughta meet my old lady.

The only thing I will give Neal is that he would speak his mind in person in front of you no matter how stupid and wrong his opinions were.

Ed, were my puns really that bad that you of all people didn't appreciate them?

I followed you Gid. I have a little more lee-way here after a few months and have to get my digs in at some (within reason).

The thing I appreciate is you have no problem directing it at everyone in the Journey camp. Your Perry parody {Perrydy?} was hilarious in that respect, no one was spared.

Well that is still posted somewhere not to be mentioned. (WTF)

[AR]

He's forgotten in the general public. Decent to good guitar player.

I think you might be selling Schon short. Just a little.

Horrible person. I've been around him. Speaking my mind. Just one of those stupid people who open their mouths and you just cringe.

You're preaching to the choir, man. You oughta meet my old lady.

The only thing I will give Neal is that he would speak his mind in person in front of you no matter how stupid and wrong his opinions were.

Ed, were my puns really that bad that you of all people didn't appreciate them?

I followed you Gid. I have a little more lee-way here after a few months and have to get my digs in at some (within reason).

The thing I appreciate is you have no problem directing it at everyone in the Journey camp. Your Perry parody {Perrydy?} was hilarious in that respect, no one was spared.

Well that is still posted somewhere not to be mentioned. (WTF)

Also when said singer gets canned (who I now know a bit in person), then a new friend gets hired and screwed. (who did a lot for me and still does) Then another friend almost gets the job (took care of us many times)............Yeah I "love" Journey.

Just being honest. My friends mean way more to me than who is singing the dirty dozen in some sweaty ampitheater every summer whether I like those songs or not.

[Journey/Survivor]

Other than an the thing with the reality show whore, no one knows or cares who Neal Schon is.

He is a dunce and a mental midget and there are many better guitar players than him. PERIOD.

Your first line isn't true. But even if it were true, that doesn't mean that Schon's not a great guitarist. Fame doesn't prove greatness. There are tons of great guitarists that few people know of, and some pretty well-known guitarists that are nothing special at all.

As for the thing about there being better guitarists than Schon... First of all, everything is a matter of preference. You may like other guitarists better than Schon. I don't. Their both opinions.

I'm curious as to who you think is better than Schon?

Also, correct if I'm wrong, but don't you resent Schon over JSS' firing from the band?

[Journey/Survivor]

The Schon vs EV debate reminds me of Steve Smith vs Neil Peart debates.

Who would the general public say is the better drummer of the two? They would say Peart. Who's the all around better drummer? IMO, definitely Steve Smith.

[strangegrey]

Steve Smith and Neil Peart are at least in the same galaxy, as far as technical brilliance and talent.

The fact that this fucking thread has stretched into a second page of people trying to justify whether that little midget douchebag has enough talent to hold EVH's sweaty towel, after he dried off his ball sack.....nauseates me.

Seriously folks. Take the fucking Journey fanboy hats off for one fucking second and let your brains breath.

without EVH, Neal's technique is stuck in 1977. EVH opened up more doors for guitarists, than anyone prior, save for maybe, Hendrix. He, along with Hendrix, made guitar what it is today. Without either of them, guitar gods of the 70s and 80s simply never get out of their mom and dad's basement.

It's that fucking distinct...the difference between EVH and Nick Schlong. Give the little controlling bastard his credit...he's a great guitarist, fantastic sense of melody, and a real dicksnot...

But he doesn't exist on the same level of EVH. Never have, never will....

It doesn't matter whether EVH isn't doing shit for 20 years. He INVENTED the way Neal schon played on Escape and Frontiers.....without EVH opening that door for him and countless other acts during the 80s, music is DRAMATICALLY different.


You can't say that about Nick Schlong. If someone walked into Fantasy Studios in early 1980 and shot him in the head, and Journey never recorded Escape as a result....no resulting change to guitar would have occurred. Sure, some folks influenced by the little midget, would grasp inspiration from other sources....but at the end of the day, if Schon dies in 1980, nothing dramatic changes.

Had EVH gotten his throat slit in a bar in 1976, the guitar world that we currently live in would be so dramatically different that I believe it would be unrecognizable to all of us. EVH's impact is SO tremendous.


Guys, seriously......this thread needs to be over. The fanboi shite is nauseating.

[Ehwmatt]

Steve Smith and Neil Peart are at least in the same galaxy, as far as technical brilliance and talent.

The fact that this fucking thread has stretched into a second page of people trying to justify whether that little midget douchebag has enough talent to hold EVH's sweaty towel, after he dried off his ball sack.....nauseates me.

Seriously folks. Take the fucking Journey fanboy hats off for one fucking second and let your brains breath.

without EVH, Neal's technique is stuck in 1977. EVH opened up more doors for guitarists, than anyone prior, save for maybe, Hendrix. He, along with Hendrix, made guitar what it is today. Without either of them, guitar gods of the 70s and 80s simply never get out of their mom and dad's basement.

It's that fucking distinct...the difference between EVH and Nick Schlong. Give the little controlling bastard his credit...he's a great guitarist, fantastic sense of melody, and a real dicksnot...

But he doesn't exist on the same level of EVH. Never have, never will....

It doesn't matter whether EVH isn't doing shit for 20 years. He INVENTED the way Neal schon played on Escape and Frontiers.....without EVH opening that door for him and countless other acts during the 80s, music is DRAMATICALLY different.


You can't say that about Nick Schlong. If someone walked into Fantasy Studios in early 1980 and shot him in the head, and Journey never recorded Escape as a result....no resulting change to guitar would have occurred. Sure, some folks influenced by the little midget, would grasp inspiration from other sources....but at the end of the day, if Schon dies in 1980, nothing dramatic changes.

Had EVH gotten his throat slit in a bar in 1976, the guitar world that we currently live in would be so dramatically different that I believe it would be unrecognizable to all of us. EVH's impact is SO tremendous.


Guys, seriously......this thread needs to be over. The fanboi shite is nauseating.

Great seeing you around sir. lol. this post next to your avatar just makes it all the better.

[AR]

Other than an the thing with the reality show whore, no one knows or cares who Neal Schon is.

He is a dunce and a mental midget and there are many better guitar players than him. PERIOD.

Your first line isn't true. But even if it were true, that doesn't mean that Schon's not a great guitarist. Fame doesn't prove greatness. There are tons of great guitarists that few people know of, and some pretty well-known guitarists that are nothing special at all.

As for the thing about there being better guitarists than Schon... First of all, everything is a matter of preference. You may like other guitarists better than Schon. I don't. Their both opinions.

I'm curious as to who you think is better than Schon?

Also, correct if I'm wrong, but don't you resent Schon over JSS' firing from the band?

Schon can't carry Lindsey Buckingham's or Ritchie Blackmore's equipment. Not fit to be their roadies.

Outside of this forum, no one knows or cares about Neal Schon. He's a very good guitar player. So are hundreds of other people. He's nothing special. Journey are known because of Steve Perry. Little Napoleon is never mentioned among the best rock guitarists.

For the record, I've always thought that even before what went down with Jeff. The fact that Neal is a POS human being adds a bit to my opinion I will give you that.

Nothing innovative or special about Schon on guitar. Not even going to comment on the EVH comparison. Frank handled that beautifully.

[AR]

Another slap at Neal.

Ace Frehley isn't anywhere near the guitarist Neal is of course, but.........

Guess who can tour solo and get people to actually show up?

Frehley caused more people to pick up a guitar than Neal ever did. Seriously could a Neal Schon solo show generate this kind of energy?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SmPzOQdf ... re=related

[Majestic]

Oh my God, I have not heard this topic debated since around '83! I was 14. It was pretty important then, and its just as important now.

Neal is way better! WAY! So get off the crack pipe, homes!

So what if EVH does the tapping thing, have you not noticed that all the Chics go to the Journey shows? Nuff said!

And Neal was in Santana when he was only like 15, so you suck!

[AR]

Oh my God, I have not heard this topic debated since around '83! I was 14. It was pretty important then, and its just as important now.

Neal is way better! WAY! So get off the crack pipe, homes!

So what if EVH does the tapping thing, have you not noticed that all the Chics go to the Journey shows? Nuff said!

And Neal was in Santana when he was only like 15, so you suck!

Neal is nothing. No one knows who he is except for banging some reality chick whore.

Ask anyone who EVH is and they know.

Lay off the crack pipe.

[Majestic]

Oh my God, I have not heard this topic debated since around '83! I was 14. It was pretty important then, and its just as important now.

Neal is way better! WAY! So get off the crack pipe, homes!

So what if EVH does the tapping thing, have you not noticed that all the Chics go to the Journey shows? Nuff said!

And Neal was in Santana when he was only like 15, so you suck!

Neal is nothing. No one knows who he is except for banging some reality chick whore.

Ask anyone who EVH is and they know.

Lay off the crack pipe.

Dude, what do you know! You were listening to Autograph and Wham, so don't even start talking about music, Ok?

By the way, Eddie used to be drinking at the bar watching Neal play when he was so young he was wearing his diapers on the stage, and Eddie still couldn't figure out Neal's licks.

And my cousin plays guitar and says eruption can be played with one figure on only two strings, that's how lame that song is!

[FormerJrnyFan]

VH all the way... plus I have to take into consideration Schon's unprofessionalism in the way that he dealt w/JSS (which has nothing to do w/the guy's guitar) but still............

[AR]

Oh my God, I have not heard this topic debated since around '83! I was 14. It was pretty important then, and its just as important now.

Neal is way better! WAY! So get off the crack pipe, homes!

So what if EVH does the tapping thing, have you not noticed that all the Chics go to the Journey shows? Nuff said!

And Neal was in Santana when he was only like 15, so you suck!

Neal is nothing. No one knows who he is except for banging some reality chick whore.

Ask anyone who EVH is and they know.

Lay off the crack pipe.

Dude, what do you know! You were listening to Autograph and Wham, so don't even start talking about music, Ok?

By the way, Eddie used to be drinking at the bar watching Neal play when he was so young he was wearing his diapers on the stage, and Eddie still couldn't figure out Neal's licks.

And my cousin plays guitar and says eruption can be played with one figure on only two strings, that's how lame that song is!

Amusing. Autograph and Wham? You really do not want to throw down with me do you.

Be happy to tell you how wonderful your hero Neal is.

Calling Wombat. Can I go "old school" briefly? (already know the answer)

What do I know Majestic? Well.............................more than you.

[Ftloperry]

Eddie Van Halen all the way for me. No one can touch Eddie except Jimi Hendrix.

[Majestic]

Eddie Van Halen all the way for me. No one can touch Eddie except Jimi Hendrix.

Not that Jimi swings that way, but he'd rather touch Neal.

[strangegrey]

Oh my God, I have not heard this topic debated since around '83! I was 14. It was pretty important then, and its just as important now.

Neal is way better! WAY! So get off the crack pipe, homes!

So what if EVH does the tapping thing, have you not noticed that all the Chics go to the Journey shows? Nuff said!

And Neal was in Santana when he was only like 15, so you suck!

Son, Crack and Crystal Meth are doing you *no* good...

It has nothing to do with EVH doing tapping or chics at Journey shows...(btw, they were there for Perry, not schlong....trust me. The midget fucking HATED that fact!)



You're just not fucking listening. You can trace almost every marketable guitar technique used in the late 70s, the entire 80s and part of the 90s and pretty much everything in the 2000s....you can trace it ALL to EVH in varying degrees.


You can't trace DICK to schlong. You just can't. You can claim schlong was playing with Santana in the early 70s.....check how much credit Santana gives schlong for his playing. Go ahead. Look at the albums. Hell, schlong wasn't invited when Sanatana was inducted into the R&RHOF. I suspect Schlong fucked Santana's wife or daughter or something....but maybe, Santana felt he was the alpha dog and schlong was just another fucking paid strummer, who knows....

But the fact of the matter is that EVH is responsible for almost all of it. What EVH can't lay claim to, Hendrix can. The only thing Schon can do is fucking get on his knees and thank EVH for his contributions.


You guys that think Schlong is on the same planet with EVH.....consider this.



The only reason the PGA over the past 15 years did 85% of the business it did....is because of Tiger. Ian Poulter, Tom Lehman, Mark OMera, Trevor Immelmen, literally every fucking good player in the PGA, doesn't make 85% of his money, if Tiger stayed at home with Mommy and Daddy playing Nintendo. He paved the way for all of them to drive fast cars and have hot wives.

Same comparison for EVH.

Without EVH in 1977, guitar gods don't get off the fucking ground. Randy Rhoads, Jake E Lee, Brad Gillis, Nick Schlong, The Edge....literally every fucking hot shot guitarist of the 80s, save for Stevie Ray, doesn't get out of the fucking starting gate.

It's that serious folks.


Take your fanboi shite and shove that in your pooper....I'm right and you're wrong!

Schon isn't fit to wipe the sweat off of EVH's balls......... period!

[jestor92]

Eddie no question.

[TRAGChick]

Put them into a studio to battle it out.

Then release it as an instrumental CD - "Schon Halen".

[Rick]

Put them into a studio to battle it out.

Then release it as an instrumental CD - "Schon Halen".

Brilliant!

[Journey/Survivor]

As much as I love some aspects of EV's guitar playing, fact still remains that he's insanely overrated as a guitarist. One trick pony all the way. By the way, he was not the first person to even come up with that trick, either. Eddie copied the tapping from many guitarists that came before him. Beyond the tapping, he's nothing special.

Hell, Jeff Watson's technique is much more impressive.

Schon is a far better guitarist than EV.

[Journey/Survivor]

Other than an the thing with the reality show whore, no one knows or cares who Neal Schon is.

He is a dunce and a mental midget and there are many better guitar players than him. PERIOD.

Your first line isn't true. But even if it were true, that doesn't mean that Schon's not a great guitarist. Fame doesn't prove greatness. There are tons of great guitarists that few people know of, and some pretty well-known guitarists that are nothing special at all.

As for the thing about there being better guitarists than Schon... First of all, everything is a matter of preference. You may like other guitarists better than Schon. I don't. Their both opinions.

I'm curious as to who you think is better than Schon?

Also, correct if I'm wrong, but don't you resent Schon over JSS' firing from the band?

Schon can't carry Lindsey Buckingham's or Ritchie Blackmore's equipment. Not fit to be their roadies.

Nothing personal against Lindsey Buckingham. But seriously? Your going to claim LB to be a better guitarist than Neal Schon?

I grew up in the same house as one of the biggest Ritchie Blackmore fans on the planet, my brother. When I first started listening to music and paying attention to guitar playing, I thought that Blackmore was one of the best. But over time I started hearing more and more guitarists that blow Blackmore off the stage. RB once ratted as high as 3rd on my list of greatest guitarists. Now, I don't know if he'd make it into my top 20? Maybe. But definitely not top 10.

[Journey/Survivor]

Put them into a studio to battle it out.

Then release it as an instrumental CD - "Schon Halen".

Brilliant!

Schon said in an interview back in the mid-80's that he and Eddie wanted to make an album together.

It would never happen now. Eddie would be far to intimidated to record an album with Schon, now. That's why EV backed out of having Soul Sirkus open for Van Halen.

[slucero]

Oh my God, I have not heard this topic debated since around '83! I was 14. It was pretty important then, and its just as important now.

Neal is way better! WAY! So get off the crack pipe, homes!

So what if EVH does the tapping thing, have you not noticed that all the Chics go to the Journey shows? Nuff said!

And Neal was in Santana when he was only like 15, so you suck!

You can't trace DICK to schlong.

Classic.

[Michigan Girl]

You can't say that about Nick Schlong. If someone walked into Fantasy Studios in early 1980 and shot him in the head, and Journey never recorded Escape as a result....no resulting change to guitar would have occurred. Sure, some folks influenced by the little midget, would grasp inspiration from other sources....but at the end of the day, if Schon dies in 1980, nothing dramatic changes.

Had EVH gotten his throat slit in a bar in 1976, the guitar world that we currently live in would be so dramatically different that I believe it would be unrecognizable to all of us. EVH's impact is SO tremendous.


Guys, seriously......this thread needs to be over. The fanboi shite is nauseating.

Severe, but so true!! Jimi and SRV get passes due to their reasons for lack of
output, making the above example vital!!

If we're giving Neal the win due to Ed's lack of output of late, then by all means, Neal
must win by default ...

Here's our interview with bassist Billy Sheehan from the July 1985 issue of Guitar World. The issue was a special edition, a tribute to Eddie Van Halen, and Sheehan discussed the secrets of Van Halen's playing style. The original story ran with the headline "Billy Sheehan's Bass-Eye View of Edward Van Halen: From One Hammer-on To Another," and the story started on page 78

http://www.guitarworld.com/bassist-bill ... -interview

[Ehwmatt]

Other than an the thing with the reality show whore, no one knows or cares who Neal Schon is.

He is a dunce and a mental midget and there are many better guitar players than him. PERIOD.

Your first line isn't true. But even if it were true, that doesn't mean that Schon's not a great guitarist. Fame doesn't prove greatness. There are tons of great guitarists that few people know of, and some pretty well-known guitarists that are nothing special at all.

As for the thing about there being better guitarists than Schon... First of all, everything is a matter of preference. You may like other guitarists better than Schon. I don't. Their both opinions.

I'm curious as to who you think is better than Schon?

Also, correct if I'm wrong, but don't you resent Schon over JSS' firing from the band?

Schon can't carry Lindsey Buckingham's or Ritchie Blackmore's equipment. Not fit to be their roadies.

Nothing personal against Lindsey Buckingham. But seriously? Your going to claim LB to be a better guitarist than Neal Schon?

I grew up in the same house as one of the biggest Ritchie Blackmore fans on the planet, my brother. When I first started listening to music and paying attention to guitar playing, I thought that Blackmore was one of the best. But over time I started hearing more and more guitarists that blow Blackmore off the stage. RB once ratted as high as 3rd on my list of greatest guitarists. Now, I don't know if he'd make it into my top 20? Maybe. But definitely not top 10.

Ya, Lindsey rapes Neal. Far more eclectic, incredible technique. There's a million 3-note-per string alternate pickers out there. Not many rock guitarists have Lindsey's insane fingerpicking technique .