2004 Journey Detour Concert now on YouTube

[onmyjrny]

Nice tracks TNG...did they tour with him?

Michael Bolton opened for Heart back in the late 80s and Jon, Mugs, and I believe Ross toured with him. It was a good show! Anyone else catch this one?

[brywool]

Listen to the 2001 DVD clip I posted above. The singing differs and is better. As for all your other comments, I never said Steve never lipped, I only said he didn't lip in these clips, and he didn't.

The vocal track is identical. Look, this forum used to be flooded with posts like yours. Even when the vocal was broken down and analyzed by soundwaves, and Augeri all but confessed by relying on a comically oversized fuzzy mic head. Plain and simple - you haven't a clue. I would bet all the crack in Camden that SHML is lipped here. In fact, I KNOW it is.

And for the last time, nobody said Augeri lipped in all these clips. There is ONE clip- SHML - and a challenging part during SW. The practice is common in many live acts. You obviously didn't even read the initial post. Go away, go away, go away.

1) Make MP3 or wave files out of the tracks.
2) In Audacity, Cakewalk, Garage Band or any other multitrack recording software, assign each file to a track.
3) Play both tracks simultaneously.

You should be able to hear them match up. It can happen with certain sections or the entire song depending on what was being lip synched.
Here's a great example:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EOoQ40T9aL0

[The_Noble_Cause]

1) Make MP3 or wave files out of the tracks.
2) In Audacity, Cakewalk, Garage Band or any other multitrack recording software, assign each file to a track.
3) Play both tracks simultaneously.

You should be able to hear them match up. It can happen with certain sections or the entire song depending on what was being lip synched.
Here's a great example:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EOoQ40T9aL0

That was done during the height of Tapegate mania. Even after vocals were matched up, doubters came up with other crazy theories. That's not the point of this thread.

[AR]

Nice tracks TNG...did they tour with him?

Michael Bolton opened for Heart back in the late 80s and Jon, Mugs, and I believe Ross toured with him. It was a good show! Anyone else catch this one?

Yes, I saw that tour. Columbia, MD - Merriweather Post Pavilion.

[The_Noble_Cause]

I was skeptical until he did the "Journey's on the road again" line. Exactly the same as on the 2001 DVD. 100% identical

It's not only that. The dvd vocal has Augeri sounding flawlessly in-tune and never out of pitch. His voice also sounds fuller. Remember, Shirley worked his post-production magic on the dvd. So it sounds very little like his live pitchy voice.

[perryswoman]

Thanks for the videos. Still bothers me they did this! What would they have done if the cd skipped?

[The_Noble_Cause]

Thanks for the videos. Still bothers me they did this! What would they have done if the cd skipped?

Only happened once that I know of. During the UK tour, the Faithfully track cut-out suddenly. Augeri was left with his pants down and Deen quickly picked up the slack.

[perryswoman]

Thanks for the videos. Still bothers me they did this! What would they have done if the cd skipped?

Only happened once that I know of. During the UK tour, the Faithfully track cut-out suddenly. Augeri was left with his pants down and Deen quickly picked up the slack.

OMG!!!!!!!!!! I bet they crapped in their pants!

[Majestic]

And for the last time, nobody said Augeri lipped in all these clips. There is ONE clip- SHML - and a challenging part during SW. The practice is common in many live acts. You obviously didn't even read the initial post. Go away, go away, go away.

Yes, of course you are right.

My argument that the vocal in Send Her My Love on this tour is not identical in vocal licks or in sound with the DVD is completely trumped by your getting pissy. I must not have listened to the 2001 DVD the hundred or more times I thought I had. Send Her My Love on the 2001 DVD is a nice rendition of the song and I've enjoyed listening to it. The version you have posted shows a Steve struggling to pull the song off, and is nearly un-listenable for me.

By the way, when you say "go away" as if I'm completely ignorant of Journey, or some troll, you may as well know this has been my favorite band since 1981, and I've supported every incarnation of the band since Perry, and later on even pre-Perry. I own every album, have been to dozens of shows, and have also been here at this forum since 2000, and am well aware of all the many tape gate discussions that happened here.

I reckon I've spent enough time and dough on this band over the last 30 odd years to be qualified for Journey chat in a rock forum, so I'm not sure what the deal is with your talking down to me.

By the way, should anyone care, look at 1:35 mark on this clip taken from the 2001 DVD: www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Mqq5oSj2eU
"You needed so much more, than I could give, oh we knew our love could not pretend (you know you know) broken hearts can always mend...."

then look at the 4:00 mark on TNC's video clip: www.youtube.com/user/saskatchawan?featu ... cJhXnL6KZw

Augeri sings:
"You needed so much more, than I could give, oh we knew our love could not pretend (PAUSE) broken hearts can always mend...."

Notice that the "you know you know" part is absent in TNC's 2004 Saskatchewan clip. This is just one example of where I noticed they differ. There are others too, and how I know is because I've listened to the 2001 DVD a lot and remember the versions on it very well. I don't feel like make a big deal about it and highlighting them and all the subtle differences and nuances, mostly because I have a life and can't bother with it. Anyway, people will believe what they will, but TNC, you have stated something as a fact without any proof, and my ears tell me differently.

[fightingilliniJRNY]

By the way, should anyone care, look at 1:35 mark on this clip taken from the 2001 DVD: www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Mqq5oSj2eU
"You needed so much more, than I could give, oh we knew our love could not pretend (you know you know) broken hearts can always mend...."

then look at the 4:00 mark on TNC's video clip: www.youtube.com/user/saskatchawan?featu ... cJhXnL6KZw

Augeri sings:
"You needed so much more, than I could give, oh we knew our love could not pretend (PAUSE) broken hearts can always mend...."

Notice that the "you know you know" part is absent in TNC's 2004 Saskatchewan clip. This is just one example of where I noticed they differ. There are others too, and how I know is because I've listened to the 2001 DVD a lot and remember the versions on it very well. I don't feel like make a big deal about it and highlighting them and all the subtle differences and nuances, mostly because I have a life and can't bother with it. Anyway, people will believe what they will, but TNC, you have stated something as a fact without any proof, and my ears tell me differently.

Dude, that is an ad-lib that of course they are going to edit out. You can't base your argument that these are not the same based on an AD-LIB missing from the 2004 video. This is EXACTLY from the 2001 DVD. There is no doubt about it. It is identical. End of discussion. TNC has forgotten more about the coming-and-goings of Journey throughout the years than you (or really, I) will ever know, particularly during the timeframe all of this was going on. He is 100% correct about this.

[Ehwmatt]

The SHML versions are IDENTICAL vocally. Identical. Anyone arguing otherwise is just flat-out deaf.

[Majestic]

Dude, that is an ad-lib that of course they are going to edit out. You can't base your argument that these are not the same based on an AD-LIB missing from the 2004 video. This is EXACTLY from the 2001 DVD. There is no doubt about it. It is identical. End of discussion. TNC has forgotten more about the coming-and-goings of Journey throughout the years than you (or really, I) will ever know, particularly during the timeframe all of this was going on. He is 100% correct about this.

Ok, supposing they did edit the adlib out. Why would they then take out all the perfection and polish from the DVD, and make Augeri sound more tired and strained, in order to lip? I'd think if you wanted to lip, you'd want it to sound GOOD. If you wanted a rough raw sound (like the performance is) then just let Augeri do it live, and you'd have that, no need to lipsync. This clip shows that he is straining a bit. Also, if they are not lipping the entire set, then why lip Send Her My Love, when it is probably the nearest thing to an easy song Augeri's going to get in the whole Journey catalog?

I think one of the things that makes this sound as if it is the 2001 DVD is actually not Augeri, but Cain. The synths are obviously preprogrammed and synched. These are the same as the DVD, and quite prominent in the mix. As for Augeri, there are many nuances in his two performances that differ, and are not exact. Slightly different vibrato, slightly truncated note, a bit more fatigue and vocal strain, etc. They ought to sound at least as similar as they do because it is the same singer, the same song, and vocally, it is not a song that takes many chances, so it is probably easy to be consistent on it. If you listen to them one by one, you can see they are not identical. Maybe listening to them together doesn't help, because are too similar to stand apart as they mix together. Try them separately, and one by one, you'll see. I am not, by the way, defending Augeri or suggesting he never could have lipped. I'm only saying I don't think this video is lipped.

[george_g]

Has anyone wondered what does the rest of the band do during lipping? how can the sound include live playing and lipped vocals ? So when there were canned vocals there should be canned parts from all the others too?

2004 show is ok , i can watch it and as a rarity is good to have
2005 is bad

[Ehwmatt]

Has anyone wondered what does the rest of the band do during lipping? how can the sound include live playing and lipped vocals ? So when there were canned vocals there should be canned parts from all the others too?

Click tracks. It's the same as with canned backing vocals (which Journey and many other AOR bands use live) and extra background synths that can't be played all at once. If you're asking this question, I'll assume you're not a musician. So to put it as simply as possible in layman's/non-musician's terms, the band would get a pre-set "beat" click in their monitors that would keep them in time with the vocal track for the particular song. And being good musicians, they simply play to the preset "click" keeping the beat in their monitors. Voila: the live music stays in time with the canned vocal track.

Many bands play to click tracks, not just those that outright lip everything. One reason might be to use canned backing vocals. Another might simply be that the band's drummer sucks and can't keep a consistent tempo. Finally, another reason might be that the band is simply perfectionist and does not want the tempo to deviate from what listeners are used to from the album. The Eagles are an example of the last category.

[The_Noble_Cause]

Ok, supposing they did edit the adlib out. Why would they then take out all the perfection and polish from the DVD, and make Augeri sound more tired and strained, in order to lip?

They didn't. You're just deaf. Like alot of singers (MeatLoaf comes to mind), there's Augeri's live voice (thin, pitchy, human) and his studio voice. The SHML clip doesn't sound remotely like any of the other songs on this 2004 bootleg. It's a dead giveaway.

If you listen to them one by one, you can see they are not identical....Try them separately, and one by one, you'll see.

I'll get right on that...
I think that ranks on my 'to do' list somewhere slightly above finding out who's buried in Grant's tomb, and somewhere below who really killed Ron and Nicole.
The vocals are identical. Get the corncobs out of your ears, boy.

The SHML versions are IDENTICAL vocally. Identical. Anyone arguing otherwise is just flat-out deaf.

Thanks Matt. Anyone with a musical ear can pick up on it. Not really gonna debate this any further. I just wanted to share a few cool concert vids, not reopen a wholesale-size can of worms. Arrival rocks. Eclipse rocks. Carry on.

[Rick]

Not really gonna debate this any further. I just wanted to share a few cool concert vids, not reopen a wholesale-size can of worms.

Not here, dude. Would never happen. You know this better than anyone.

[onmyjrny]

I think one of the things that makes this sound as if it is the 2001 DVD is actually not Augeri, but Cain. The synths are obviously preprogrammed and synched. These are the same as the DVD, and quite prominent in the mix. As for Augeri, there are many nuances in his two performances that differ, and are not exact. Slightly different vibrato, slightly truncated note, a bit more fatigue and vocal strain, etc. They ought to sound at least as similar as they do because it is the same singer, the same song, and vocally, it is not a song that takes many chances, so it is probably easy to be consistent on it. If you listen to them one by one, you can see they are not identical. Maybe listening to them together doesn't help, because are too similar to stand apart as they mix together. Try them separately, and one by one, you'll see. I am not, by the way, defending Augeri or suggesting he never could have lipped. I'm only saying I don't think this video is lipped.

I started out thinking that at first too! I listened to one, then the other and didn't think they sounded alike at all. I then opened them side by side and compared them a few lyrics at a time. I came to the same conclusion as TNC. They are the same, note for note. They took the ad lib and some of the polish out and everything else is the same. Listen to the stuff that isn't directly off of Frontiers, such as "Journey's on the road again" and how he carries some of the notes out later in the song and I think you have to come to the same conclusion. It ain't live, it's Memorex.

[MCC620]

I just wanted to share a few cool concert vids, not reopen a wholesale-size can of worms.

then you should not have included your commentary......just saying


btw...that's not to say it wouldn't have come up anyway

SHML (this is lipped using the 2001 dvd)

http://www.youtube.com/user/saskatchawa ... cJhXnL6KZw

SW (from 2:22-2:27, SA lips to the SW track from 2001 dvd)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bxCIz7-_qqE

[cudaclan]

Holy Moly, It is not often that TNC vehemently reacts to comments. If profanity was part of your posts, I might have mistaken you for someone else.

[Aaron]

I loved Augeri in Journey and still do. I'll pay to see him the next time he's in Cincy with Valentine for sure. With that being said, SHML at the 3:40 mark is pretty ugly.

SHML (this is lipped using the 2001 dvd)

http://www.youtube.com/user/saskatchawa ... cJhXnL6KZw

SW (from 2:22-2:27, SA lips to the SW track from 2001 dvd)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bxCIz7-_qqE

[The_Noble_Cause]

then you should not have included your commentary......just saying

I'm not in the business of cleaning up other peoples' dog shit. This is a music site for music fans. If something's fake, it's worth pointing out.

[JohnH]

oh my god ross singing WLAL....

[annie89509]

oh my god ross singing WLAL....

Ditto...terrible rendition of WLAL...otherwise, cool video of the band performing.

[YoungJRNY]

Love it. I always jump on the opportunity to see polished S.A vids since I never seen him live. Thanks, TNC!

[The_Noble_Cause]

Love the rendition of WITS. Of all the songs, that and LTS, fit comfortably in Augeri's wheelhouse.

[Majestic]

It's a pity that Steve was never what he was in Tall Stories when he sang for Journey. In Tall Stories, Steve sounded amazing, and I still love that CD even though I'd never heard of it before he joined Journey. As a singer for Journey, even though I liked Arrival and enjoyed the live shows, he was never really great like in Tall Stories, and was never similar to Perry vocally. I always supported him in Journey, and think he is as classy a guy as you'll ever find in rock-n-roll, but vocally, I think his time passed long ago, unfortunately for him and for all of us.

[The_Noble_Cause]

It's a pity that Steve was never what he was in Tall Stories when he sang for Journey.

True, and I think some of Steve's struggles had to do with technique. Unlike JSS, Augeri is not a touring pro. So initially w/ Journey he would just go out there and blow out his pipes nightly. Like he told Arnel when he met him, "learn how to take care of yourself." If you listen to the live SA Tyketto release, Augeri is just thrashing his vox. Unlike more seasoned vocalists, he didn't really learn to substitute easier notes, switch to head voice etc. He contiued to learn new techniques on the fly, but the road just eventually broke him. Some songs, like DSB, were just always out of his reach. Others, (WITS, Lights, LTS, SIL), he was very good on.

[george_g]

It's a pity that Steve was never what he was in Tall Stories when he sang for Journey. In Tall Stories, Steve sounded amazing, and I still love that CD even though I'd never heard of it before he joined Journey. As a singer for Journey, even though I liked Arrival and enjoyed the live shows, he was never really great like in Tall Stories, and was never similar to Perry vocally. I always supported him in Journey, and think he is as classy a guy as you'll ever find in rock-n-roll, but vocally, I think his time passed long ago, unfortunately for him and for all of us.

Tall Stories cd was very good , but i think he sounded a lot better in Arrival. It's his best vocals ever.

[JRNYMAN]

http://keepvid.com/

I forget what the program I have that does it is called (it was also pay software). Cheap Trick put a bunch of full length shows up on youtube and I captured those awhile back and they came out really good.

I use this one practically every day - no exaggeration - and it just works so freakin' effortlessly. Once it starts the grab, you can close that window and move on and the prog does its thing. Converts auto or on-the-fly to damn near any format respectively ( video to video, audio to audio, etc.)

Real Media Catcher
http://download.cnet.com/Replay-Media-C ... 44938.html

Many thanks to the OP for this. I ALWAYS enjoy watching/listening to S.A singing with the band. You get a sense that he is genuinely loving what he's doing when he was fronting the band - well, before all the B.S. started, anyway.

[Majestic]

It's a pity that Steve was never what he was in Tall Stories when he sang for Journey.

True, and I think some of Steve's struggles had to do with technique. Unlike JSS, Augeri is not a touring pro. So initially w/ Journey he would just go out there and blow out his pipes nightly. Like he told Arnel when he met him, "learn how to take care of yourself." If you listen to the live SA Tyketto release, Augeri is just thrashing his vox. Unlike more seasoned vocalists, he didn't really learn to substitute easier notes, switch to head voice etc. He contiued to learn new techniques on the fly, but the road just eventually broke him. Some songs, like DSB, were just always out of his reach. Others, (WITS, Lights, LTS, SIL), he was very good on.

I wonder if there are any live boots of Tall Stories back in the day? It would be interesting to hear Steve live in his youth and prime, because I think you are probably right about him and technique.