Could Journey pull off a collection like Kissology?

[RSParker]

I would like to see a multiple DVD set like Kissology. It would be a Gold Mine for the band.

what do you think?

i unfortunately don't have access to a ton of stuff on DVD like i would want!

[steveo777]

I would like to see a multiple DVD set like Kissology. It would be a Gold Mine for the band.

what do you think?

i unfortunately don't have access to a ton of stuff on DVD like i would want!

Ask Steve Perry. I think he's got access to everything Neal doesn't. It will be up to him and Sony what gets released or not.

[Rick]

I would like to see a multiple DVD set like Kissology. It would be a Gold Mine for the band.

what do you think?

i unfortunately don't have access to a ton of stuff on DVD like i would want!

Ask Steve Perry. I think he's got access to everything Neal doesn't. It will be up to him and Sony what gets released or not.

Bingo. Lora Beard's thoughts on this would be interesting.

[steveo777]

I would like to see a multiple DVD set like Kissology. It would be a Gold Mine for the band.

what do you think?

i unfortunately don't have access to a ton of stuff on DVD like i would want!

Ask Steve Perry. I think he's got access to everything Neal doesn't. It will be up to him and Sony what gets released or not.

Bingo. Lora Beard's thoughts on this would be interesting.

Further proof that Neal is not the sharpest tool in the shed. If you think about it, there is no reason Neal doesn't have the same rights as Perry, when it comes to access to potential DVD material. I don't think we know for a fact that he doesn't, but it seems that way.

[Rick]

I would like to see a multiple DVD set like Kissology. It would be a Gold Mine for the band.

what do you think?

i unfortunately don't have access to a ton of stuff on DVD like i would want!

Ask Steve Perry. I think he's got access to everything Neal doesn't. It will be up to him and Sony what gets released or not.

Bingo. Lora Beard's thoughts on this would be interesting.

Further proof that Neal is not the sharpest tool in the shed. If you think about it, there is no reason Neal doesn't have the same rights as Perry, when it comes to access to potential DVD material. I don't think we know for a fact that he doesn't, but it seems that way.

Perry and Sony have a working relationship. They know who to call to get things done, and they know it will be done well. He's the perfectionist it takes to make something worth buying.

[SF-Dano]

I would like to see a multiple DVD set like Kissology. It would be a Gold Mine for the band.

what do you think?

i unfortunately don't have access to a ton of stuff on DVD like i would want!

Ask Steve Perry. I think he's got access to everything Neal doesn't. It will be up to him and Sony what gets released or not.

Bingo. Lora Beard's thoughts on this would be interesting.

Further proof that Neal is not the sharpest tool in the shed. If you think about it, there is no reason Neal doesn't have the same rights as Perry, when it comes to access to potential DVD material. I don't think we know for a fact that he doesn't, but it seems that way.

Not sure Neal doesn't have the same rights to the material as Perry. (As I understand it) It is just that Perry has to give the OK for use of any material from his time with the band. Though the point of Perry still having a good working relationship with Sony plays into things as well. It is high time we had a quality live DVD of the Perry/Rollie years though.

[Don]

If anything comes out, it needs to be available via Blu-ray and as a Digital copy also.
I would assume that Neal and Perry have the same rights regarding the legacy recordings. They both also wield veto power too. Of course Sony has the final say whether it gets out as it belongs to them also.
Personally, I don't see much of a chance for this as the Last two DVDs are under Nomota and would probably have some strings attached to Wal-mart also that would need to be handled.
Also, the little fact that the last two releases, Eclipse and the Greatest Hits 2 have combined sales barely surpassing 100,000 copies. Kiss on the other hand saw their last Wal-Mart release back in the Store's top 10 only last week.

[STORY_TELLER]

I would pay top dollar for a blu-ray or DVD set collection of the band's performances in the Perry era. I think most hard core fans would.The question is: would the casual fan?

The answer to this is in the sales of the live Houston DVD. If they were strong, Sony would go for it. If they were only so-so? Not so much. The reason it may or may not happen doesn't rest in the hands of any one band member. It costs money to produce these things. Even if the band wanted this to happen, unless the band is going to front the production, distribution and marketing costs, ultimately, this is a Sony decision.

[jrny84]

I think this would be really cool. Maybe do a 70s era dvd, escape dvd, and frontiers era dvd. I remember Lora, saying a while back that there is no "official" taped concert of the ROR time period, just snippets of a few concerts. Journey's previous dvds have all sold pretty well: Live in Houston hit #9 on the dvd charts and has sold over 200,000 copies and GH 1978-1997 dvd has sold over 567,000 copies. So both Perry era dvds have sold well and continue to sell.

[Lora]

I would like to see a multiple DVD set like Kissology. It would be a Gold Mine for the band.

what do you think?

i unfortunately don't have access to a ton of stuff on DVD like i would want!

Ask Steve Perry. I think he's got access to everything Neal doesn't. It will be up to him and Sony what gets released or not.

Bingo. Lora Beard's thoughts on this would be interesting.

Back in the day when Cyndy and I were working for Journey, sometimes we'd hang out at Nightmare (their management company). They had this walk-in closet full of the master tapes of concerts, their concept videos, audio tapes, etc. I would stand in that room and just drool. When Irving Azoff took over management of Journey, he had one of the crew catalog everything. I believe Irving had possession of the archives at some point but I have no clue who has it now.

Steve Perry has no more rights over legacy material than anyone else in the band. Sony comes to him to work on projects because they know he cares and will do an awesome job.

As for Journey doing something like Kissology, hard to say if that would sell enough to justify the work involved in putting it together. The Houston DVD was made during Journey's most popular era and the GH DVD appeals to many including the casual fan. There might not be enough fans interested in seeing a full concert of the earlier or later stuff.

[Monker]

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Steve Perry has no more rights over legacy material than anyone else in the band. Sony comes to him to work on projects because they know he cares and will do an awesome job.

I am sure that is true. But, any video with his image on it can not be released without his permission (along with ever other member of the band at that time) From what Neal has said in the past, everybody else has agreed to release video and Perry is the person who doesn't want to.

I think that is what people are getting at....true or not.

[Don]

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Steve Perry has no more rights over legacy material than anyone else in the band. Sony comes to him to work on projects because they know he cares and will do an awesome job.

I am sure that is true. But, any video with his image on it can not be released without his permission (along with ever other member of the band at that time) From what Neal has said in the past, everybody else has agreed to release video and Perry is the person who doesn't want to.

I think that is what people are getting at....true or not.

Would you consider releasing the catalog (Journey & SP Solo) in one of the new HD surround sound formats like blu-ray? CD quality just isn't good enough anymore after being spoiled by DVD-audio surround. - Mark

I think those decisions are up to Sony for they own those performances..........I'm sure Sony is considering that for they are always looking at new ways to re-package stuff............ I would like that too............ [Steve Perry]

[yandtguy]

I would love to have Frontiers & Beyond and the Raised on Radio doc on blu-ray. Seems like a no brainer to release the Greatest hits video on blu-ray and those two docs as extras.

[kgdjpubs]

I would love to have Frontiers & Beyond and the Raised on Radio doc on blu-ray. Seems like a no brainer to release the Greatest hits video on blu-ray and those two docs as extras.

just as fyi, releasing it in bluray will do NOTHING for the quality. It's not like they were filmed with real movie film (ie 70mm or similar) where you would get an improvement if you did a transfer. Hollywood movies, even the old ones, were filmed with a resolution that even bluray can't support without downgrading the picture to be able to fit on a disc. At best, the Journey stuff was filmed in Beta, and dvd can easily handle that resolution.

In other words, unless you could do a better job retransferring and improving the master, putting it on bluray will not improve the picture one iota....and any retransferring will not look any better on bluray than it will on dvd. You are still within the size limits of what a dvd can handle (which is really the only difference between a dvd and a bluray---a bluray can hold more data, and therefore, more data being thrown at the screen).

It would be nice to get both of them released (I'm not aware of the ROR doc ever being officially released on dvd), but there really isn't any benefit to releasing any of this stuff on bluray except for maybe space reasons without further compression to the image.

/end technical rant...

[Don]

I would love to have Frontiers & Beyond and the Raised on Radio doc on blu-ray. Seems like a no brainer to release the Greatest hits video on blu-ray and those two docs as extras.

just as fyi, releasing it in bluray will do NOTHING for the quality. It's not like they were filmed with real movie film (ie 70mm or similar) where you would get an improvement if you did a transfer. Hollywood movies, even the old ones, were filmed with a resolution that even bluray can't support without downgrading the picture to be able to fit on a disc. At best, the Journey stuff was filmed in Beta, and dvd can easily handle that resolution.

In other words, unless you could do a better job retransferring and improving the master, putting it on bluray will not improve the picture one iota....and any retransferring will not look any better on bluray than it will on dvd. You are still within the size limits of what a dvd can handle (which is really the only difference between a dvd and a bluray---a bluray can hold more data, and therefore, more data being thrown at the screen).

It would be nice to get both of them released (I'm not aware of the ROR doc ever being officially released on dvd), but there really isn't any benefit to releasing any of this stuff on bluray except for maybe space reasons without further compression to the image.

/end technical rant...

But you could have the audio uncompressed from the show's soundboard with Blu-ray.

[TRAGChick]

I would love to have Frontiers & Beyond and the Raised on Radio doc on blu-ray. Seems like a no brainer to release the Greatest hits video on blu-ray and those two docs as extras.

AMEN and +1.

[Monker]

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Steve Perry has no more rights over legacy material than anyone else in the band. Sony comes to him to work on projects because they know he cares and will do an awesome job.

I am sure that is true. But, any video with his image on it can not be released without his permission (along with ever other member of the band at that time) From what Neal has said in the past, everybody else has agreed to release video and Perry is the person who doesn't want to.

I think that is what people are getting at....true or not.

Would you consider releasing the catalog (Journey & SP Solo) in one of the new HD surround sound formats like blu-ray? CD quality just isn't good enough anymore after being spoiled by DVD-audio surround. - Mark

I think those decisions are up to Sony for they own those performances..........I'm sure Sony is considering that for they are always looking at new ways to re-package stuff............ I would like that too............ [Steve Perry]

Like I said, true or not. And, it has been years since Neal said that...so Perry may have a different feeling towards it.

I just don't think it will happen anyway...the time for this was back when Augeri first took over. They are at least 10-yrs too late.

[Monker]

I would love to have Frontiers & Beyond and the Raised on Radio doc on blu-ray. Seems like a no brainer to release the Greatest hits video on blu-ray and those two docs as extras.

just as fyi, releasing it in bluray will do NOTHING for the quality. It's not like they were filmed with real movie film (ie 70mm or similar) where you would get an improvement if you did a transfer. Hollywood movies, even the old ones, were filmed with a resolution that even bluray can't support without downgrading the picture to be able to fit on a disc. At best, the Journey stuff was filmed in Beta, and dvd can easily handle that resolution.

In other words, unless you could do a better job retransferring and improving the master, putting it on bluray will not improve the picture one iota....and any retransferring will not look any better on bluray than it will on dvd. You are still within the size limits of what a dvd can handle (which is really the only difference between a dvd and a bluray---a bluray can hold more data, and therefore, more data being thrown at the screen).

It would be nice to get both of them released (I'm not aware of the ROR doc ever being officially released on dvd), but there really isn't any benefit to releasing any of this stuff on bluray except for maybe space reasons without further compression to the image.

/end technical rant...

Yep, that's basically why I don't own Farscape on blu=ray...It has slightly better audio but that's about it.

And, since these recordings are even older, probably still on analog tape, I'm not sure if the audio would be improved either.

Now, if they have some things on film, not video, then they should go for it before the film degrades too much...and maybe have these other things as extras on the bluray. But, again, I just don't think it will ever happen.

[kgdjpubs]

I would love to have Frontiers & Beyond and the Raised on Radio doc on blu-ray. Seems like a no brainer to release the Greatest hits video on blu-ray and those two docs as extras.

just as fyi, releasing it in bluray will do NOTHING for the quality. It's not like they were filmed with real movie film (ie 70mm or similar) where you would get an improvement if you did a transfer. Hollywood movies, even the old ones, were filmed with a resolution that even bluray can't support without downgrading the picture to be able to fit on a disc. At best, the Journey stuff was filmed in Beta, and dvd can easily handle that resolution.

In other words, unless you could do a better job retransferring and improving the master, putting it on bluray will not improve the picture one iota....and any retransferring will not look any better on bluray than it will on dvd. You are still within the size limits of what a dvd can handle (which is really the only difference between a dvd and a bluray---a bluray can hold more data, and therefore, more data being thrown at the screen).

It would be nice to get both of them released (I'm not aware of the ROR doc ever being officially released on dvd), but there really isn't any benefit to releasing any of this stuff on bluray except for maybe space reasons without further compression to the image.

/end technical rant...

But you could have the audio uncompressed from the show's soundboard with Blu-ray.

yea, but you don't have a concert on either of those. F&B is more interviews and the behind-the-scenes of a travelling rock band than it is a live performance video, and the ROR doc has maybe 4-5 songs. Neither would be really worth the effort, unless you are planning on releasing the Philly soundboard bootleg along with F&B.

Even if you release a full show (Departure, Japan Escape, Japan Frontiers, etc), I'm not sure that uncompressed audio is much of a selling feature for 30-year old film. If you mix it right (presuming the audio is worth messing with to begin with) and spread it out to 5:1 or even 6:1, and encode it at a decent bitrate, 98% of the viewers will never be able to tell the difference.

[Rick]

I would love to have Frontiers & Beyond and the Raised on Radio doc on blu-ray. Seems like a no brainer to release the Greatest hits video on blu-ray and those two docs as extras.

just as fyi, releasing it in bluray will do NOTHING for the quality. It's not like they were filmed with real movie film (ie 70mm or similar) where you would get an improvement if you did a transfer. Hollywood movies, even the old ones, were filmed with a resolution that even bluray can't support without downgrading the picture to be able to fit on a disc. At best, the Journey stuff was filmed in Beta, and dvd can easily handle that resolution.

In other words, unless you could do a better job retransferring and improving the master, putting it on bluray will not improve the picture one iota....and any retransferring will not look any better on bluray than it will on dvd. You are still within the size limits of what a dvd can handle (which is really the only difference between a dvd and a bluray---a bluray can hold more data, and therefore, more data being thrown at the screen).

It would be nice to get both of them released (I'm not aware of the ROR doc ever being officially released on dvd), but there really isn't any benefit to releasing any of this stuff on bluray except for maybe space reasons without further compression to the image.

/end technical rant...

But you could have the audio uncompressed from the show's soundboard with Blu-ray.

yea, but you don't have a concert on either of those. F&B is more interviews and the behind-the-scenes of a travelling rock band than it is a live performance video, and the ROR doc has maybe 4-5 songs. Neither would be really worth the effort, unless you are planning on releasing the Philly soundboard bootleg along with F&B.

Even if you release a full show (Departure, Japan Escape, Japan Frontiers, etc), I'm not sure that uncompressed audio is much of a selling feature for 30-year old film. If you mix it right (presuming the audio is worth messing with to begin with) and spread it out to 5:1 or even 6:1, and encode it at a decent bitrate, 98% of the viewers will never be able to tell the difference.

I'm one of them. I don't hear any difference in 160 and 320 kbps.

[jrnyman28]

When the Houston DVD was released Perry spoke of the possibility of an ROR and possible a Rolie-era DVD.
I get the impression Neal (and Jon) is not concerned about the "legacy" material. If Sony wants to, Neal will say ok. But he seems to be (sort of, minus the MS fiasco) focussed on the present for Journey.
Journey certainly has the material to do a "Kissology"-like compilation. Not sure they have the consumer base anymore. If it could be a pet project, done for love and fan appreciation, with no concern of time/money then it would be amazing for the hardcore fans....if there are any left.

[Arkansas]

Also keep in mind, that the further (time-wise) we get away from 'classic Journey', the less people will care...even the die-hards. It won't be long 'til no one cares to buy anything at all. Elvis, Beatles, Stones, Zepp, or KISS...Journey isn't in that historical mix at all.

As we all get older, the relevance fades.
As our interests expand and contract, our care develops shades.
Schon this, Cain that, Perry again, if ever.
Journey's journey becomes whatever.

Today's listeners will call it 'oldie'.
Today's musicians may no longer go boldly.
What we preach as great music will fade.
Tomorrow's listeners won't care.
Tomorrow's music may not share.
What our kids' kids think won't accolade.

As we all grow older, the relevance fades.
Our music contracts and expands.
Our focus of interest will have no affect,
On next generations' musical demands.


later~

[steveo777]

Also keep in mind, that the further (time-wise) we get away from 'classic Journey', the less people will care...even the die-hards. It won't be long 'til no one cares to buy anything at all. Elvis, Beatles, Stones, Zepp, or KISS...Journey isn't in that historical mix at all.

As we all get older, the relevance fades.
As our interests expand and contract, our care develops shades.
Schon this, Cain that, Perry again, if ever.
Journey's journey becomes whatever.

Today's listeners will call it 'oldie'.
Today's musicians may no longer go boldly.
What we preach as great music will fade.
Tomorrow's listeners won't care.
Tomorrow's music may not share.
What our kids' kids think won't accolade.

As we all grow older, the relevance fades.
Our music contracts and expands.
Our focus of interest will have no affect,
On next generations' musical demands.


later~

Was that your own shit or someone elses?

later~

[Arkansas]

Was that your own shit or someone elses?

later~

I'm an engineer, by trade. OCD by nature, and somewhat-Aspergers too.
I think in shapes, and I taste in colours. I've always written, in various shades of emotion.
Always influenced by many, but I copy none.


later~

[steveo777]

Was that your own shit or someone elses?

later~

I'm an engineer, by trade. OCD by nature, and somewhat-Aspergers too.
I think in shapes, and I taste in colours. I've always written, in various shades of emotion.
Always influenced by many, but I copy none.


later~

Just checking buddy, 'cause that was actually quite good!

[Red13JoePa]

I get the impression Neal (and Jon) is not concerned about the "legacy" material.

They seem to be content to/take for granted that perry will continue to do a great job in being legacy custodian.

Based on what Lora said above about the shows and stuff at one time being all catalogued in a huge closet, it is getting on time for perry to now beging pulling a Jagger/Richards and REALLY start combing through the vaults for more releasable material.

[jestor92]

No

[jrny84]

Most of the people that would be interested in this type of project would be hardcore fans of Journey. Over the years Journey's hardcore fan base has decreased quite a bit, especially after Steve Perry's departure. I just wonder if there would be enough hardcore and serious Journey fans that would want to buy a Kissology type project. I will have to say that most fans are interested in the classic original Journey over anything else, which would be a positive for something like that.

[Don]

I think one DVD with tracks from multiple shows during the ROR tour might do okay. You can add in solo hits also that way and even the cover of JailHouse Rock. Oh Sherrie, Strung Out and even a few older songs like Too Late and Line Of Fire. And then you have Suzanne also.

A pretty diverse set-list during that tour when taken as a whole.

[jrny84]

I think one DVD with tracks from multiple shows during the ROR tour might do okay. You can add in solo hits also that way and even covers. Oh Sherrie, Strung Out and even a few older songs like Too Late and Line Of Fire. And then you have Suzanne also.

A pretty diverse set-list during that tour when taken as a whole.

Thats a great idea, something i would definetly buy.