S2M wrote:All Arnel has is POWER. Sorry, he isn't that talented a singer....please don't delude yourselves.
You've lost your noodle, my good man.
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S2M wrote:All Arnel has is POWER. Sorry, he isn't that talented a singer....please don't delude yourselves.
portland wrote:Gideon wrote:Rick wrote:but I think Arnel sings circles around Kevin.
Aww, Rick, now we're enemies for life.![]()
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OH good god...I agree with Giddy....kill me now!
Enigma869 wrote:Not sure why anyone would ever change lyrics to "suit his voice".
S2M wrote:All Arnel has is POWER. Sorry, he isn't that talented a singer....please don't delude yourselves.
The_Noble_Cause wrote:Enigma869 wrote:Not sure why anyone would ever change lyrics to "suit his voice".
Then you obviously don't know jack about singing. Sorry. There's a reason why alot of Perry's pronunciations live are indecipherible. Some of it was paying homage to Motown, alot of it was making it easier on his pipes. Singers change and substitute vowels (and whole lyrics) ALL THE TIME.
The_Noble_Cause wrote:
Then you obviously don't know jack about singing. Sorry. There's a reason why alot of Perry's pronunciations live are indecipherible. Some of it was paying homage to Motown, alot of it was making it easier on his pipes. Singers change and substitute vowels (and whole lyrics) ALL THE TIME.
Gideon wrote:Chalfant is approximately Perry's age, if I'm not mistaken. Critics should take that into account; the fact that he's slaying this song, even in a lower key, at his age is impressive.
Enigma869 wrote:Gideon wrote:Chalfant is approximately Perry's age, if I'm not mistaken. Critics should take that into account; the fact that he's slaying this song, even in a lower key, at his age is impressive.
Right...and not in a good way!
portland wrote:
He is good...just not Perry by a long shot. I prefer his stage presence as I do JSS over AP, for me that's important.
Enigma869 wrote:portland wrote:
He is good...just not Perry by a long shot. I prefer his stage presence as I do JSS over AP, for me that's important.
Right, and that's exactly what I'm saying. Again, I know nothing about this guy, but have read on many Journey websites over the years that he's Perry or close to Perry. Apparently, my ears are VERY different than everyone else's, because he isn't remotely close to Perry, AT ALL! To me, he's an okay singer, but has nothing special about his voice. The first time I ever heard Perry sing, I immediately had to know who the person was singing, because I had never heard anything like it before (or since)! As for "stage presence"...it's a complete non-issue for me, because I'm a man and heterosexual! I think women get a bit more caught up in "stage presence". Not to mention, I'm way too old to be schlepping off to concerts like I'm 14, so my music listening happens on my iPod, where stage presence doesn't matter one iota. It's music...not a dance competition. It's all about the voice for
me.
Enigma869 wrote:portland wrote:
He is good...just not Perry by a long shot. I prefer his stage presence as I do JSS over AP, for me that's important.
Right, and that's exactly what I'm saying. Again, I know nothing about this guy, but have read on many Journey websites over the years that he's Perry or close to Perry. Apparently, my ears are VERY different than everyone else's, because he isn't remotely close to Perry, AT ALL! To me, he's an okay singer, but has nothing special about his voice. The first time I ever heard Perry sing, I immediately had to know who the person was singing, because I had never heard anything like it before (or since)! As for "stage presence"...it's a complete non-issue for me, because I'm a man and heterosexual! I think women get a bit more caught up in "stage presence". Not to mention, I'm way too old to be schlepping off to concerts like I'm 14, so my music listening happens on my iPod, where stage presence doesn't matter one iota. It's music...not a dance competition. It's all about the voice for me.
Enigma869 wrote: He wasn't coming close to Perry's range, anyway, so changing things up didn't help him one iota. Incidentally, him not coming close to Perry's range isn't an indictment on Chalfant, because almost nobody does.
Enigma869 wrote:I just don't get the Chalfant worshippers who think he's Perry.
kgdjpubs wrote:I'd say he was pretty close in range to at least Escape-era Perry--at least up to the mid 90s. As with everyone, your voice lowers a bit as you age, and Chalfant isn't much younger than Perry is. If Chalfant was going to a Journey covers album, he should have done that ten years ago when he could do it in the original key without breaking a sweat.
Vocally, I've never heard Chalfant do any of the falsetto stuff that Perry would do some in the pre-Escape years (aka the note behind the guitar solo on Wheel in the Sky), but if you have the range to sing at a high tenor range in head voice, you have the range to hit that falsetto stuff. It's not THAT hard, so that's more of a stylistic preference. Chalfant easily has the highest natural range of anyone that Journey has had since Perry, which is the most important if you want to tour with the catalog.
I don't think he's Perry at all, nor do I think he ever tried to be Perry. Perry's at a level where there were very few in competition with him. Chalfant isn't there, nor is anyone else that I've ever heard try and sing Journey songs. If anything, Chalfant is a hybrid between Perry and Bryan Adams.
That said, I still maintain that if you were going to replace Perry in the 90s, Chalfant was the best option out there, and I'll rank The Storm's Eye of the Storm up with anything Journey ever did. He can sound close enough when he tries for it to work in concert, has a similar range but noticeably different style on original material, and is better than either Augeri or Arnel in songwriting ability.
Enigma869 wrote:Well, at least you didn't try feeding me some bullshit line that the guy had to adjust the lyrics to "Faithfully" to adapt to his singing style. If you're going to cover a band, you may just want to brush up on the lyrics. On, and one other thing...if the song you're singing is known by the masses, no brushing up should be required
Enigma869 wrote:Sorry dude...not buying it, AT ALL. The guy simply fucked up the lyrics and in my opinion, looked like a complete jackass! My 5 year old son know the lyrics to "Faithfully"! If you don't know the lyrics, don't sing the damn song! He wasn't coming close to Perry's range, anyway, so changing things up didn't help him one iota. Incidentally, him not coming close to Perry's range isn't an indictment on Chalfant, because almost nobody does. I just don't get the Chalfant worshippers who think he's Perry.
Rick wrote:He absolutely blew the lyrics on that one, TNC, you gotta admit that one .
hoagiepete wrote:Yup. He just fucked up the lyrics. Period. However, this happens even to the songwriters on occasion so I see it as no big deal.
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Yoda wrote:Eh, all singers flub up on the songs every once in awhile. Perry did it at the Bill Graham Memorial, Arnel has done it, Kevin has done it.....I don't see any big deal about it.
Enigma869 wrote:What's with the introduction of "Kevin Chalfant formerly of Journey"? At what point was this guy in Journey? Did I sleep through a few years?
Enigma869 wrote:What's with the introduction of "Kevin Chalfant formerly of Journey"? At what point was this guy in Journey? Did I sleep through a few years?
Joe Vana wrote:He did a show with them once...right??? I sang with TOTO once, so am I now former lead singer of TOTO? And Survivor I guess as well????
jrnyman28 wrote:Enigma869 wrote:What's with the introduction of "Kevin Chalfant formerly of Journey"? At what point was this guy in Journey? Did I sleep through a few years?
Serious?
He was in Journey with Gregg Rolie before Perry muscled back in for Trial By Fire. You forgot this?
Joe Vana wrote:Enigma869 wrote:What's with the introduction of "Kevin Chalfant formerly of Journey"? At what point was this guy in Journey? Did I sleep through a few years?
He did a show with them once...right??? I sang with TOTO once, so am I now former lead singer of TOTO? And Survivor I guess as well????
I know Kevin well, but I would have clarified that right away....
As far as a Journey fit, I don't think the personalities would ever have made it...Kevin would have had way more demands than Arnel ever would....Augeri too for that matter.....
I think they did just fine with Steve A, and Arnel.....better said they could have done way worse.....
JMHO.........JV
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