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Postby jestor92 » Thu Aug 02, 2012 5:41 am

I've always felt former Black Sabbath vocalist Tony Martin was underrated. Martin was able to sing all era's of the Sabbath catelog and sing them quite well.

I also enjoy Jack Blades vocal work, agree that Dennis DeYoung is underrated like a poster mentioned above. Also I really think Jeff Scott Soto has come into his own since he started. When he started with Malmsteen and even his early years with Eyes and Talisman I didn't care for his sound that much, but his efforts from about 98 and on have been really great.
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Postby kgdjpubs » Thu Aug 02, 2012 12:47 pm

UncleKG wrote:They're not underrated in their home country (Australia), but two amazing vocalists (very different styles) that never got much recognition in America are Jon Farnham & Jimmy Barnes.

I also think Eric Martin is underrated.



John Farnham is simply one of the best singers on the planet. Name a music style and he's done it, and maybe the only singer other than Perry that is better live than in studio. He's done an absolutely amazing job of keeping his voice also, and he can sing pretty high when he wants to.

I'm a big Jimmy Barnes fan also, even though he has a completely different style from Farnham. He's got more power in his voice than 95% of the singers out there.

A couple of favorites that haven't been mentioned yet are Danny Bowes of Thunder (who, like Farnham, can sing just about anything) and Bob Catley of Magnum.
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Postby verslibre » Thu Aug 02, 2012 6:10 pm

SF-Dano wrote:Always loved Dave Meneketti's voice back in the 80s and 90s. Very powerful voice. Then again, I think the Y&T was entirely underated as a band.


Same here.

jestor92 wrote:I've always felt former Black Sabbath vocalist Tony Martin was underrated. Martin was able to sing all era's of the Sabbath catelog and sing them quite well.


My favorite Sabbath singer after Dio, actually. The Martin-Sabbath albums are unfairly overshadowed by the Ozz years.

Not to knock Ray Gillen (R.I.P.), whose performance on the original version of Eternal Idol was stunning in its own right.

kgdjpubs wrote:Bob Catley of Magnum.


Yep, he rocks.
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Postby verslibre » Thu Aug 02, 2012 6:12 pm

And let's not forget one of the most consistent (and consistently good) singers out there:

Michael Sadler of Saga.
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Postby marco17 » Fri Aug 03, 2012 1:46 am

Behshad wrote:
Ehwmatt wrote:How about David Pack? Great soul and great power to his voice, and not much of a mainstream name. I'd LOVE to hear him collaborate with Daryl Hall or Bill Champlin. Those are some white boys with soul!

Plus, he still sounds great today:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WDPa49FNCF0

No downtuning. Some live warts here and there. But plenty of power and soul.


How about Joey Tempest !? :wink:


Tempest is very underrated, but were some of the few here that like Europe because we appreciate the entire catalog verses just the "hits" :)
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Postby JRNYMAN » Fri Aug 03, 2012 3:59 am

Ehwmatt wrote:Dennis Deyoung. He's the best singer from the 80s based on the totality of the circumstances, i.e., based on talent, range, and longevity (a couple guys might have a slight edge on him in the former 2 categories, but like a great consistent athlete, I'd rather have many years of greatness instead of a few years of sublime perfection).

The guy's voice is literally ageless. He has always conducted himself like a pro (his spates with Styx are he-said/he-said type events). In doing so, he's taken fantastic physical care of himself, and it has paid off as he performs in his later years. But you never really hear him mentioned among the 80s vocal greats, even among fans of this genre (that the mainstream music press likes to malign).

Anyway, if I were picking a singer's team, DDY would be my first pick by a landslide. Perry, Gramm, and all those guys would be distant alternate choices for me. And I'm definitely a bigger Journey fan overall, so it really has everything to do with my admiration and respect for what DDY has been able to accomplish.

Have to agree with everything you stated - although I wouldn't consider him "underrated" by any means. His place in history is adequately secured. His voice is so pure and polished - the quintessential tenor. Whether he's belting out Suite Madame Blue or Esmerelda from his "Hunchback of Notre Dame" score, his voice is just polished and clean from the beginning of each word in a song to the last refrain of any held note. Definitely one of my most favorite singers of any genre period.
If you've never heard Esmerelda it's beautiful! The way he delivers the last few lines of the song in his high tenor voice just screams "Oh Danny Boy". :lol: :lol:
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Postby conversationpc » Fri Aug 03, 2012 4:05 am

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jestor92 wrote:I've always felt former Black Sabbath vocalist Tony Martin was underrated. Martin was able to sing all era's of the Sabbath catelog and sing them quite well.


My favorite Sabbath singer after Dio, actually. The Martin-Sabbath albums are unfairly overshadowed by the Ozz years.


Not to knock Ray Gillen (R.I.P.), whose performance on the original version of Eternal Idol was stunning in its own right.


"Eternal Idol" is a vastly underrated album, in my opinion, and Martin is great on that album. "Glory Ride" is actually my favorite Sabbath tune.
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Postby JRNYMAN » Fri Aug 03, 2012 4:06 am

UncleKG wrote:They're not underrated in their home country (Australia), but two amazing vocalists (very different styles) that never got much recognition in America are Jon Farnham & Jimmy Barnes.

I also think Eric Martin is underrated.

It's amazing to me how unknown Jon Farnham is here in the states as a solo singer. Arnel's version of "Please Don't Ask Me" did the song justice but it also brought some attention to who he is and just how gifted a singer he is and has been for nearly half a century! And one helluva funny guy too! :lol: :lol:
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Postby conversationpc » Fri Aug 03, 2012 4:09 am

JRNYMAN wrote:If you've never heard Esmerelda it's beautiful! The way he delivers the last few lines of the song in his high tenor voice just screams "Oh Danny Boy". :lol: :lol:
Esmerelda:
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Wow...Good stuff.
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JRNYMAN wrote:If you've never heard Esmerelda it's beautiful! The way he delivers the last few lines of the song in his high tenor voice just screams "Oh Danny Boy". :lol: :lol:
Esmerelda:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DqkBAxQx ... ature=plcp


Wow...Good stuff.

Yeah, he really delivers a different side of his vocal abilities on that one.

My wife was reading over my shoulder as I typed my last message and she said, "DDY could sing the Yellow Pages and I'd listen to him!". :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Postby JRNYMAN » Fri Aug 03, 2012 5:44 am

Michael Sweet (Stryper) probably never was given the credit he was due and didn't receive the exposure he might have gotten had the band not targeted a very particular demographic. And, I'm sure there were many who never gave the band the time of day simply because they were "christian rock" which got them ignored by more people than not. The boy's got range that's for damn sure. One of my favorite vocal performances of his is during the song "Always There For You" at about 3:23 he delivers a line that's pretty freakin' high in the register to begin with but finishes the line by taking the last word a full octave higher - granted it's falsetto but still...... Holy Shit!
Always There For You
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Deen Castronovo is extremely underrated as both a backing vocalist as well as a lead vocalist. One of his performances that just blows me away is his backing vocals on the live version of Higher Place. First of all, (and I've said this many times) I'm absolutely certain that his mission during the recording of the 2001 DVD, was to destroy his kit by show's end. Watch his performance on Higher Place and he was about 50 lbs. heavier then too! There are a few times during the song when he actually grimaces as he hits the drums and you can see that he's literally hitting them as hard as he possible can - yet, while that's taking place, he's delivering some very strong high harmonies - some notes of which he actually holds longer than Stevie does, and his voice doesn't fluctuate or get pitchy in the slightest.
Higher Place
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qQq0slouOo8

And as far as his lead vocal abilities, well.... we all know he can hold his own no problem but there's one in particular that he outshines everyone who has sang lead for Journey - with of course the exception of Perry.
Deen's performance of Faithfully
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Postby verslibre » Fri Aug 03, 2012 6:01 am

JRNYMAN wrote:Michael Sweet (Stryper) probably never was given the credit he was due and didn't receive the exposure he might have gotten had the band not targeted a very particular demographic. And, I'm sure there were many who never gave the band the time of day simply because they were "christian rock" which got them ignored by more people than not.


And on that note...Greg Volz and John Schlitt (formerly of Head East). Petra had two of the best singers in the rock biz, period.
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Postby JRNYMAN » Fri Aug 03, 2012 6:16 am

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JRNYMAN wrote:Michael Sweet (Stryper) probably never was given the credit he was due and didn't receive the exposure he might have gotten had the band not targeted a very particular demographic. And, I'm sure there were many who never gave the band the time of day simply because they were "christian rock" which got them ignored by more people than not.


And on that note...Greg Volz and John Schlitt (formerly of Head East). Petra had two of the best singers in the rock biz, period.

Absolutely blew me away when I learned the relationship between Head East and Petra - had no idea. Petra's version of "Awesome God" is IMHO the best! My daughters learned that song in sign language at church camp a few years ago and when the kids got back, they hosted a dinner for all the parents to do a "show and tell" basically, of what they did/learned at camp and finished with Awesome God in sign. It was stellar!
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Postby DavidWT » Fri Aug 03, 2012 6:51 am

Patty Griffin.
Sometimes she's mic'd horribly on her albums so her voice comes across way too loud/piercing, but when they don't do that, you can hear she's actually got quite a good voice. A shame that all of her songs only seem to become hits when other people perform them.
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Postby verslibre » Fri Aug 03, 2012 10:45 am

JRNYMAN wrote:
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JRNYMAN wrote:Michael Sweet (Stryper) probably never was given the credit he was due and didn't receive the exposure he might have gotten had the band not targeted a very particular demographic. And, I'm sure there were many who never gave the band the time of day simply because they were "christian rock" which got them ignored by more people than not.


And on that note...Greg Volz and John Schlitt (formerly of Head East). Petra had two of the best singers in the rock biz, period.

Absolutely blew me away when I learned the relationship between Head East and Petra - had no idea. Petra's version of "Awesome God" is IMHO the best! My daughters learned that song in sign language at church camp a few years ago and when the kids got back, they hosted a dinner for all the parents to do a "show and tell" basically, of what they did/learned at camp and finished with Awesome God in sign. It was stellar!


I've pointed some rock/progheads I know to Petra and they were pretty freakin' surprised at the material on albums like Beat The System, Unseen Power and Jekyll & Hyde. They were also surprised at the level of musicianship since they thought the pinnacle of "Christian rock" was stuff like D.C. Talk and David Meece. I also make sure they're familiar with Kerry Livgren's band A.D. They usually are, because everybody's familiar with Kansas, but I always check, just in case. :wink:
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Postby verslibre » Fri Aug 03, 2012 10:49 am

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verslibre wrote:
SF-Dano wrote:
jestor92 wrote:I've always felt former Black Sabbath vocalist Tony Martin was underrated. Martin was able to sing all era's of the Sabbath catelog and sing them quite well.


My favorite Sabbath singer after Dio, actually. The Martin-Sabbath albums are unfairly overshadowed by the Ozz years.


Not to knock Ray Gillen (R.I.P.), whose performance on the original version of Eternal Idol was stunning in its own right.


"Eternal Idol" is a vastly underrated album, in my opinion, and Martin is great on that album. "Glory Ride" is actually my favorite Sabbath tune.


Bitchin' tuneage on all the Martin albums. Tony Iommi can accidently scrape his strings with the edge of a beer bottle and make it sound good. Forbidden gets knocked a lot but that album kicks ass. The final song, "Kiss Of Death," has got to be one of the best songs Sabbath ever recorded.
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Postby conversationpc » Fri Aug 03, 2012 10:52 am

verslibre wrote:
JRNYMAN wrote:
verslibre wrote:
JRNYMAN wrote:Michael Sweet (Stryper) probably never was given the credit he was due and didn't receive the exposure he might have gotten had the band not targeted a very particular demographic. And, I'm sure there were many who never gave the band the time of day simply because they were "christian rock" which got them ignored by more people than not.


And on that note...Greg Volz and John Schlitt (formerly of Head East). Petra had two of the best singers in the rock biz, period.

Absolutely blew me away when I learned the relationship between Head East and Petra - had no idea. Petra's version of "Awesome God" is IMHO the best! My daughters learned that song in sign language at church camp a few years ago and when the kids got back, they hosted a dinner for all the parents to do a "show and tell" basically, of what they did/learned at camp and finished with Awesome God in sign. It was stellar!


I became familiar with them during the beginning of the Schlitt-era band. I thought they sounded a bit like a Christian Journey at the time. Schlitt had a heck of a voice back then. Then I found the old stuff and, though a lot different, enjoyed it as well. Bob Hartman was a heck of a player and is one of my all-time favorite songwriters.
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Postby JRNYMAN » Sat Aug 04, 2012 5:10 pm

Billy Vera of "B.V. & The Beaters" - Great blues-sounding, soulful voice but never really did more than his single semi-hit, "At This Moment" (If I Could Just Hold You Again).
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O2ur063f ... re=related


And I KNOW I'm gonna catch all kinds of shit for even suggesting this one, buuuuuuttt...... Rex Smith had a voice very similar in quality and clarity to DeYoung's. Seriously! His work on stage taught him how to project while staying clean and not getting pitchy. He seriously had a fantastic voice but he was just so....... feminine and pretty-boy from a guy's perspective...? Though he was sort of a flash in the pan on the pop charts, he went on to star in Broadway shows for a long time. His biggest hit from back then:
You Take My Breath Away
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7FYgVnfi ... re=related

Ahem..... moving on....... :lol: :lol:

Perhaps not "underrated" per se, but IMHO definitely under-appreciated for how long his voice has sounded exactly the same and has maintained a solid, steady tone in his voice for 40 years - Klaus Meine. And he loved Arizona so freakin' much, he and Matthias wrote a song about it.... :lol: :lol:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HkfHUYotCi0

Undoubtedly a seriously underrated guitarist but also a very underrated singer as well, was Rik Emmet. Triumph never seemed to climb out from under the shadow RUSH cast on any band - especially a trio no less - that emerged from Canada. They found their success by touring mainly the US and only hitting a few stops in Canada. Rik Emmet's voice was crisp, clean, and he was able to cross in and out of a falsetto pretty damned convincingly too. Too bad his ego and his awareness of how superior he was as a musician and how much more seriously he took his craft ended up being the bomb that imploded the band. It's really too bad because we'll always wonder what else could have been had they been able to work through their problems. But, what they did release is still regularly rotated in my various playlists. Rik is the only person ever to state, " I will somehow be somebody's someone, someday!" :lol: :lol:
Lay It On The Line Live in Halifax from "A Night of Triumph"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jkx47Zsyicc
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JRNYMAN wrote:Michael Sweet (Stryper) probably never was given the credit he was due and didn't receive the exposure he might have gotten had the band not targeted a very particular demographic. And, I'm sure there were many who never gave the band the time of day simply because they were "christian rock" which got them ignored by more people than not. The boy's got range that's for damn sure. One of my favorite vocal performances of his is during the song "Always There For You" at about 3:23 he delivers a line that's pretty freakin' high in the register to begin with but finishes the line by taking the last word a full octave higher - granted it's falsetto but still...... Holy Shit!
Always There For You
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wYKQwuSuKBI



Agree on MS, great voice. :) Still has that rock scream too..... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dXlnmlzAEYk

JRNYMAN wrote:And I KNOW I'm gonna catch all kinds of shit for even suggesting this one, buuuuuuttt...... Rex Smith had a voice very similar in quality and clarity to DeYoung's. Seriously! His work on stage taught him how to project while staying clean and not getting pitchy. He seriously had a fantastic voice but he was just so....... feminine and pretty-boy from a guy's perspective...? Though he was sort of a flash in the pan on the pop charts, he went on to star in Broadway shows for a long time. His biggest hit from back then:
You Take My Breath Away
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7FYgVnfi ... re=related



Bahaha, funny you should mention him. He was just here about a month ago and put on a mini concert at the bottom retail section of our office tower. He sang a few songs for the opening of a new high-end lingerie store owned by his daughter-in-law and son.

http://www.calgaryherald.com/entertainm ... story.html

JRNYMAN wrote:Undoubtedly a seriously underrated guitarist but also a very underrated singer as well, was Rik Emmet. Triumph never seemed to climb out from under the shadow RUSH cast on any band - especially a trio no less - that emerged from Canada. They found their success by touring mainly the US and only hitting a few stops in Canada. Rik Emmet's voice was crisp, clean, and he was able to cross in and out of a falsetto pretty damned convincingly too. Too bad his ego and his awareness of how superior he was as a musician and how much more seriously he took his craft ended up being the bomb that imploded the band. It's really too bad because we'll always wonder what else could have been had they been able to work through their problems. But, what they did release is still regularly rotated in my various playlists. Rik is the only person ever to state, " I will somehow be somebody's someone, someday!" :lol: :lol:
Lay It On The Line Live in Halifax from "A Night of Triumph"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jkx47Zsyicc


Agreed, but actually Triumph was pretty much as popular here in Canada as Rush and toured here quite often, I saw them quite a few times back in the day. Hella great shows, the lasers were something else back in the day. Love love love this.....just takes me right back to one of their shows! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w9X5Vbt4FYo

They are definitely in my all-time top bands I wanted to see reunited or live.

1. Journey - probably never gonna happen
2. Mr Big - never thought would happen too, but YES!!!
3. Triumph - probably never gonna happen
4. INXS - definitely never gonna happen

UncleKG wrote:They're not underrated in their home country (Australia), but two amazing vocalists (very different styles) that never got much recognition in America are Jon Farnham & Jimmy Barnes.

I also think Eric Martin is underrated.


Agreed on Farnham, and I'm 50/50 on Barnes.....sometimes I love his voice, other times I don't like it.

And of course I think Eric Martin and JSS are underrated big time.

Another one that I thought was underrated back in the day was Henry Lee Summer, lol goofy bugger but damn I love his tone and delivery on most songs.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1yfs4MgFzaI
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Postby AR » Sun Aug 05, 2012 8:03 am

G.G. Allin and El Duce from The Mentors have never been given enough credit.
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Postby verslibre » Sun Aug 05, 2012 10:07 am

AR wrote:G.G. Allin and El Duce from The Mentors have never been given enough credit.


G.G. dared to exercise his vocal cords and sphincter simultaneously.
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Postby verslibre » Sun Aug 05, 2012 10:20 am

JRNYMAN wrote:Undoubtedly a seriously underrated guitarist but also a very underrated singer as well, was Rik Emmet. Triumph never seemed to climb out from under the shadow RUSH cast on any band - especially a trio no less - that emerged from Canada.


Saga definitely, not so much Triumph. I was under the impression Triumph was as popular with the non-prog rock crowd above and below the border. Rik's guitar-playing's nothing short of amazing — both electric and acoustic, too. I consider all the albums up through Thunder Seven essential, and I like The Sport Of Kings, too. It has a couple clunkers. Surveillance suffered from too much infighting. I never bought Edge Of Excess though "Child Of The City" (which got a fair amount of FM airplay) didn't sound bad.

What was weird was how underwhelming Rik's first solo album Absolutely was. His other solo albums feature great guitar but the songs just don't come anywhere near his Triumph greatness, IMO.

JRNYMAN wrote:They found their success by touring mainly the US and only hitting a few stops in Canada. Rik Emmet's voice was crisp, clean, and he was able to cross in and out of a falsetto pretty damned convincingly too. Too bad his ego and his awareness of how superior he was as a musician and how much more seriously he took his craft ended up being the bomb that imploded the band.


LOL. Gil Moore was an above average rock drummer, and Mike Levine was a solid bassist in the 70s but he definitely phoned it in towards the end with a surplus of root-note and open-string basslines. He got the job done. Triumph was always about Rik and Gil.

That Halifax concert has some "meh" moments (not counting Rik's candy-caned spandex). Much better is Live at The US Festival and the (unreleased on DVD) concert in Baltimore from the Allied Forces tour.

Ric Santers' band had some cool songs. I think the best was probably "Road To Morocco." Santers was like a poppier Triumph/Rush hybrid (and they were a trio, too), but they could also rock it up. All their albums are OOP and the box set that collected them got to be pretty expensive. I haven't checked in ages, though.
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Postby AR » Sun Aug 05, 2012 12:56 pm

verslibre wrote:
AR wrote:G.G. Allin and El Duce from The Mentors have never been given enough credit.


G.G. dared to exercise his vocal cords and sphincter simultaneously.


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verslibre wrote:
AR wrote:G.G. Allin and El Duce from The Mentors have never been given enough credit.


G.G. dared to exercise his vocal cords and sphincter simultaneously.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BqPjQd0hjHk

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Postby JRNYMAN » Sun Aug 05, 2012 4:43 pm

verslibre wrote:That Halifax concert has some "meh" moments (not counting Rik's candy-caned spandex). Much better is Live at The US Festival and the (unreleased on DVD) concert in Baltimore from the Allied Forces tour.

Agreed, the Halifax show appears to have been for one reason and opne reason only: The filming of the show for future release. There's almost no interaction with the crowd and nearly all the reveres angle shots (those shot from the stage toward the crowd) completely filter out any evidence of the audience - though there are plenty of shots of the excited, predominantly blond, long, perfectly feathered hair - guys and girls! :lol: :lol:
And for as many meh moments there were a couple of worthy moments which, and this speaks to Rik's guitar abilities more than his vocals but..... his delivery of A Midsummer's Daydream was outstanding:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7DnAPQcPMNU

The US Festival was AWESOME to have attended and as it turned out, the closest we got to the stage for any length of time was in fact, during Triumph's performance. The memories of the show and the performances far outweigh any existing video due to the fact that my memories are the crispest HD imaginable whereas all of the video available is at the mercy of the technology at the time - and even with the best remastering that may exist in the future, it can only get as good as the media it was originally captured on. Triumph followed Quiet Riot and Motley Crue - both of which were heavily costumed and gimmicked-out to the eyebrows. Then, Steve Woz walks on stage, asks if everyone is having a good time so far and kinda softly says something like, "If you've never seen this next band perform, you're in for a treat! Please welcome TRIUMPH!" And after having just witnessed the spectacle that was the previous two bands, Rik and Co. walk out looking so....... what's the word...... normal? ...... and proceed to let their music do the talking. No gimmicks. No pomp. No costumes. Just 3 guys with great harmonies and kickass music!
I'll always have the intimate moments I spent with 500,000 of my closest friends at the US Festival and feel privileged to have been able to go (having to hitchhike, being unemployed in the weeks leading up to it and having literally no money, etc.) but in the overall grand scheme of things, the show was riddled with sound problems until about halfway through Heavy Metal Day, and the venue was so "open" that there was nothing to contain the sound so if you weren't literally right in front of the stage, the sound was very muddy and garbled. Very hot that particular Memorial Day Weekend. People at the front of the stage were literally being crushed against the barriers from the surge of fans pushing forward. They were pulling people over the barriers constantly to save them. Add to that the thicker the sea of people became, the hotter and more humid and smelly the layer of body exhaust became. They tried to cool people off with water cannons but the crowd extended nearly half a mile from the front of the stage - 270 degrees outward! :shock: So if you weren't within say, 50 feet of the stage, the water didn't reach you.

Off topic here and I apologize to the OP....
One thing that was totally unique to large festivals like that was the availability of every kind and type of drug without having to even look for it. People were walking through the crowd announcing, "Shrooms for sale. Acid for sale. Need Weed?" :lol: :lol:
I can't imagine what taking your high to the next level (acid, shrooms) must have been like in that kind of atmosphere where you literally could not see the end of the crowd when you looked out at the horizon. Can you say PARANOID?!?! :shock: :shock: :lol: :lol:
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