Al Gore

[The Sushi Hunter]

Republicans didn't show up at the polls so they really can't blame anyone but themselves for the results.

And that is one of the big reasons B.O. succeeded in his re-election. It seems to me that they focused on issues with Romney that were less important then our economic issues. While Romney may have not been the very best choice, I feel that he would have been far less damaging to our out of control government. Some will disagree and that is fine. I think those that sat out the election because of these less important issues to the current state of our country was one of the most stupid decisions they could have made. In a sense they felt comfortable increasing the chance of re-electing a president that will almost for certain push this country over a cliff to the point of no return. Something tells me that these folks are going to greatly regret that decision. Most certainly they have no right to bitch and moan now since they helped in the loss of a chance of at least limiting the damage to this nation.

Well as I've said before, we will never know how Romney would have done since he wasn't voted in and it's worthless to even speculate how he would have done. Matter of fact the only people who think they know is the ones who back BO and use Romney as an excuse, as in "Romney would have done the same thing as BO is doing now". Back in '09 when BO won, my mindset was "ok I didn't vote for him but let me give him a chance to prove himself". During those first four years BO went from "Yes we can" to "Why we can't", blaming previous republican presidents and current republican politicans and in the meantime BO did absolutely nothing constructive or a step forward. But for whatever reason, people voted to have four more years of that bullshit!

[Boomchild]

Since spending under Obama has gone DOWN since the Bush administration, please enumerate non-military specific appropriate budget cuts you believe would not halt economic growth.

I think it would be good to mention that during the Bush administration, the federal government was not dumping 85 billion dollars a month into the economy to keep the country from falling flat on it's face. That's why all this talk of things are better and the worst is over is B.S.. Let's stop dumping stimulus money into the system and see how things go. But, we all know that is not going to happen.

[Rick]

Since spending under Obama has gone DOWN since the Bush administration, please enumerate non-military specific appropriate budget cuts you believe would not halt economic growth.

I think it would be good to mention that during the Bush administration, the federal government was not dumping 85 billion dollars a month into the economy to keep the country from falling flat on it's face. That's why all this talk of things are better and the worst is over is B.S.. Let's stop dumping stimulus money into the system and see how things go. But, we all know that is not going to happen.

Bush's budget looked a lot better because he didn't include military spending in it. His military spending came from appropriation bills. Obama includes military spending in his budget, as did Clinton.

[slucero]

Since spending under Obama has gone DOWN since the Bush administration, please enumerate non-military specific appropriate budget cuts you believe would not halt economic growth.

I think it would be good to mention that during the Bush administration, the federal government was not dumping 85 billion dollars a month into the economy to keep the country from falling flat on it's face. That's why all this talk of things are better and the worst is over is B.S.. Let's stop dumping stimulus money into the system and see how things go. But, we all know that is not going to happen.

Maybe its also a good idea to mention that you have no idea what you are talking about..


the Federal government is done with stimulus... (which was borrowed money)

It's the Federal Reserve that is buying $85 Billion a month of toxic assets.. the very same Federal Reserve that is:

• NOT a government agency.. and
• NOT beholden the Federal government

.......................meaning they operate independently of the Federal Government.. The Fed is essentially "birthing" the dollars into existence, on their own balance sheet, then using it to buy this debt... meaning, unlike the borrowed government stimulus money which is on the government balance sheet, and contributes to the deficit and national debt.. the Feds money does not. It dos not solve the integrity problem the debt causes.. nor does it resolve the debt itself, but it does not exist as "debt" on the government side.


If you really want to understand what the Federal Reserve is, how it came into being, and how it exists today.. read the following book:
http://www.amazon.com/The-Creature-Jeky ... 80-8575760


And just so you are CLEAR on what the Fed is actually doing. $85B x12 = $1.02T on an annualized basis or in an economy with a annual GDP of $14T that is roughly 1% of GDP... they have to do this to keep USD value high, and bond yields low...

[Rick]

Since spending under Obama has gone DOWN since the Bush administration, please enumerate non-military specific appropriate budget cuts you believe would not halt economic growth.

I think it would be good to mention that during the Bush administration, the federal government was not dumping 85 billion dollars a month into the economy to keep the country from falling flat on it's face. That's why all this talk of things are better and the worst is over is B.S.. Let's stop dumping stimulus money into the system and see how things go. But, we all know that is not going to happen.

Maybe its also a good idea to mention that you have no idea what you are talking about..


the Federal government is done with stimulus...

It's the Federal Reserve that is buying $85 Billion a month of toxic assets.. the very same Federal Reserve that is:

• NOT a government agency.. and
• NOT beholden the Federal government

.......................meaning they operate independently of the Federal Government..



If you really want to understand what the Federal Reserve is, how it came into being, and how it exists today.. read the following book:
http://www.amazon.com/The-Creature-Jeky ... 80-8575760


And just so you are CLEAR on what the Fed is actually doing. $85B x12 = $1.02T on an annualized basis or in an economy with a annual GDP of $14T that is roughly 1% of GDP... they have to do this to keep USD value high, and bond yields low...

So how long does this go on before the building collapses?

[steveo777]

Since spending under Obama has gone DOWN since the Bush administration, please enumerate non-military specific appropriate budget cuts you believe would not halt economic growth.

Are you on drugs? All the wrong kind of spending has gone up under Obama.

As for the Federal Reserve.......it's not federal and there IS no reserve.

[slucero]

Since spending under Obama has gone DOWN since the Bush administration, please enumerate non-military specific appropriate budget cuts you believe would not halt economic growth.

I think it would be good to mention that during the Bush administration, the federal government was not dumping 85 billion dollars a month into the economy to keep the country from falling flat on it's face. That's why all this talk of things are better and the worst is over is B.S.. Let's stop dumping stimulus money into the system and see how things go. But, we all know that is not going to happen.

Maybe its also a good idea to mention that you have no idea what you are talking about..


the Federal government is done with stimulus...

It's the Federal Reserve that is buying $85 Billion a month of toxic assets.. the very same Federal Reserve that is:

• NOT a government agency.. and
• NOT beholden the Federal government

.......................meaning they operate independently of the Federal Government..



If you really want to understand what the Federal Reserve is, how it came into being, and how it exists today.. read the following book:
http://www.amazon.com/The-Creature-Jeky ... 80-8575760


And just so you are CLEAR on what the Fed is actually doing. $85B x12 = $1.02T on an annualized basis or in an economy with a annual GDP of $14T that is roughly 1% of GDP... they have to do this to keep USD value high, and bond yields low...

So how long does this go on before the building collapses?

It "collapses" when creditors begin to lose faith in the given currency as a medium of exchange and demand high rates of return (interest rate). Ultimately they lose total faith and the market itself forces a change to a medium, which could be a commodity, currency, or a basket of either...

And as it occurs.. the USD value drops, and we pay more for imports.

Bond yields (the interest rate the US has to pay) rise also means the US pays more to borrow, and service the existing debt it owes..


This is why the Fed will likely continue to print for a long time, and why they've already said there will be no "end date", which is something they've NEVER said in their 100 year history. In a broad sense the only similarity to 1929 is that the 2008 crisis was also a credit (debt) event. The difference is that the 1929 debt eventually resolved itself, because it was offset by immense government spending for WWII, providing somewhat of an exit ramp, although there was a recession after WWII.

This time it is very, very different. The debt remains unresolved, and we haven't gone to war in a way where the winner gets the spoils and the loser gets default.

Yet.

[Boomchild]

Since spending under Obama has gone DOWN since the Bush administration, please enumerate non-military specific appropriate budget cuts you believe would not halt economic growth.

I think it would be good to mention that during the Bush administration, the federal government was not dumping 85 billion dollars a month into the economy to keep the country from falling flat on it's face. That's why all this talk of things are better and the worst is over is B.S.. Let's stop dumping stimulus money into the system and see how things go. But, we all know that is not going to happen.

Maybe its also a good idea to mention that you have no idea what you are talking about..


the Federal government is done with stimulus... (which was borrowed money)

It's the Federal Reserve that is buying $85 Billion a month of toxic assets.. the very same Federal Reserve that is:

• NOT a government agency.. and
• NOT beholden the Federal government

.......................meaning they operate independently of the Federal Government.. The Fed is essentially "birthing" the dollars into existence, on their own balance sheet, then using it to buy this debt... meaning, unlike the borrowed government stimulus money which is on the government balance sheet, and contributes to the deficit and national debt.. the Feds money does not. It dos not solve the integrity problem the debt causes.. nor does it resolve the debt itself, but it does not exist as "debt" on the government side.


If you really want to understand what the Federal Reserve is, how it came into being, and how it exists today.. read the following book:
http://www.amazon.com/The-Creature-Jeky ... 80-8575760


And just so you are CLEAR on what the Fed is actually doing. $85B x12 = $1.02T on an annualized basis or in an economy with a annual GDP of $14T that is roughly 1% of GDP... they have to do this to keep USD value high, and bond yields low...

i meant the federal reserve it was a mistake. The federal government is just pulling the strings. Flat out, nothing the B.O. administration, Congress or the Federal Reserve is fixing the issue.
Re

[slucero]

Since spending under Obama has gone DOWN since the Bush administration, please enumerate non-military specific appropriate budget cuts you believe would not halt economic growth.

I think it would be good to mention that during the Bush administration, the federal government was not dumping 85 billion dollars a month into the economy to keep the country from falling flat on it's face. That's why all this talk of things are better and the worst is over is B.S.. Let's stop dumping stimulus money into the system and see how things go. But, we all know that is not going to happen.

Maybe its also a good idea to mention that you have no idea what you are talking about..


the Federal government is done with stimulus... (which was borrowed money)

It's the Federal Reserve that is buying $85 Billion a month of toxic assets.. the very same Federal Reserve that is:

• NOT a government agency.. and
• NOT beholden the Federal government

.......................meaning they operate independently of the Federal Government.. The Fed is essentially "birthing" the dollars into existence, on their own balance sheet, then using it to buy this debt... meaning, unlike the borrowed government stimulus money which is on the government balance sheet, and contributes to the deficit and national debt.. the Feds money does not. It dos not solve the integrity problem the debt causes.. nor does it resolve the debt itself, but it does not exist as "debt" on the government side.


If you really want to understand what the Federal Reserve is, how it came into being, and how it exists today.. read the following book:
http://www.amazon.com/The-Creature-Jeky ... 80-8575760


And just so you are CLEAR on what the Fed is actually doing. $85B x12 = $1.02T on an annualized basis or in an economy with a annual GDP of $14T that is roughly 1% of GDP... they have to do this to keep USD value high, and bond yields low...

i meant the federal reserve it was a mistake. The federal government is just pulling the strings. Flat out, nothing the B.O. administration, Congress or the Federal Reserve is fixing the issue.
Re

Wrong again.. the federal government pulls zero strings with the Fed. The Chairman has already been vetted by the Fed's Board of Governors when he/she is nominated and approved by Congress.. that's all for show.


The Federal Reserve Act of 1913 made the Fed (not the Treasury) the sole creator of the nations money, even though the Constitution states only the Treasury can "coin money".

Autonomy and independence are part of the Fed's charter, and they control the nations money.

"Give me control of a nation's money and I care not who makes the laws."
- Mayer Amschel Rothschild

Do yourself a favor and read the book I mentioned.. its eye-opening.

[Seven Wishes2]

Are you on drugs? All the wrong kind of spending has gone up under Obama.
As for the Federal Reserve.......it's not federal and there IS no reserve.

Wow, you really showed me.

I asked you for specifics, and again, you swung and missed. NOTHING.

Fiscal year 2009 began in October 2008. If you attribute most of fiscal year 2009 to George W. Bush (which you should) then, after adjusting for inflation, federal spending under Obama has actually dropped by 0.1 percent.

Or, from Politifact.com:

We found that Obama has indeed presided over the slowest growth in spending of any president using [adjusted] dollars, and the growth on his watch was the second-slowest if you adjust for inflation.

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2012/may/23/facebook-post-gets-it-right-about-obamas-record-sp/

[slucero]

Are you on drugs? All the wrong kind of spending has gone up under Obama.
As for the Federal Reserve.......it's not federal and there IS no reserve.

Wow, you really showed me.

I asked you for specifics, and again, you swung and missed. NOTHING.

Fiscal year 2009 began in October 2008. If you attribute most of fiscal year 2009 to George W. Bush (which you should) then, after adjusting for inflation, federal spending under Obama has actually dropped by 0.1 percent.

Or, from Politifact.com:

We found that Obama has indeed presided over the slowest growth in spending of any president using [adjusted] dollars, and the growth on his watch was the second-slowest if you adjust for inflation.

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2012/may/23/facebook-post-gets-it-right-about-obamas-record-sp/

To be accurate.. slower growth in spend does not equal less spending.. and historically when GDP rises so does Fed spending, regardless of party in power.

Here we are at 1.58% GDP for 2012.. YET fed spending as a percentage of GDP is still rising. Odd...

Translation.. lower GDP means lower government tax revenue, which means increased government borrowing.. why? Because the government is already borrowing 40 cents of every dollar they spend.. the cash revenue stream is static.. not growing.. actually FALLING.. so how can Fed spending grow when tax revenue is actually falling?

Borrow.

Federal Spending as a percentage of US GDP has not slowed, or fallen.. http://www.usgovernmentspending.com/spe ... 111lcn_F0t :

Projected out to 2016 it still rises.


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It really makes no difference what party is in power.... all of them have only done one thing.. increase spending.


Defending Democrats and Republicans is simply not a factually supportable argument anymore.

See Albert's quote below:

[Boomchild]

Wrong again.. the federal government pulls zero strings with the Fed. The Chairman has already been vetted by the Fed's Board of Governors when he/she is nominated and approved by Congress.. that's all for show.


The Federal Reserve Act of 1913 made the Fed (not the Treasury) the sole creator of the nations money, even though the Constitution states only the Treasury can "coin money".

Autonomy and independence are part of the Fed's charter, and they control the nations money.

"Give me control of a nation's money and I care not who makes the laws."
- Mayer Amschel Rothschild

Look, on paper that maybe the case. But, in the real world any institution or organization can be influenced and\or corrupted. The Federal Reserve is just as corrupt as our Federal Government.



Do yourself a favor and read the book I mentioned.. its eye-opening.

[slucero]

Wrong again.. the federal government pulls zero strings with the Fed. The Chairman has already been vetted by the Fed's Board of Governors when he/she is nominated and approved by Congress.. that's all for show.


The Federal Reserve Act of 1913 made the Fed (not the Treasury) the sole creator of the nations money, even though the Constitution states only the Treasury can "coin money".

Autonomy and independence are part of the Fed's charter, and they control the nations money.

"Give me control of a nation's money and I care not who makes the laws."
- Mayer Amschel Rothschild

Do yourself a favor and read the book I mentioned.. its eye-opening.

Look, on paper that maybe the case. But, in the real world any institution or organization can be influenced and\or corrupted. The Federal Reserve is just as corrupt as our Federal Government.

On paper? What the fuck are you talking about?...

I never said the Federal Reserve and/or the Federal Government was or wasn't crooked.. please show me where I said that.

You stated the Federal Reserve takes direction from the Federal government.. I stated that they don't. It's a fact they don't. Looks as hard as you lke but you will find ZERO legislation from Congress that gives direction the Fed regarding their policies. That is by design, and as a result the Federal Reserve does what it wants to, when it wants to.. and does not answer for anything it does..

FACT... the Fed controls the nations money
FACT... the fed is an independent entity (not a government entity)

No one from the Fed has ever gone to jail, the Fed has never been indicted for anything.. their independence and autonomy, and the secretive way they operate ensures this... so by definition the Fed is effectively "above the law"...

What you are failing to realize is that the Fed is operating exactly as it was designed to operate.. to ensure banking liquidity.. not economic stability (that is a smokescreen) for morons who only believe what they are told.

Just how much money do you think the Fed has put into the economy.... here's the number ZERO... ZILCH.. NADA...

But they have pushed something near $12 Trillion to the banks (both foreign and domestic) if any of that money had actually hit the economy we'd be experiencing insane monetary velocity right now. But we aren't, because that money is on bank balance sheets (but NOT in the real economy), and is the only thing keeping the banks in the black. And that $85B a month the Fed is spending is buying bad assets from banks..(again not in the real economy)


You really have no idea what you are talking about.

[Boomchild]

On paper? What the fuck are you talking about?...

I never said the Federal Reserve and/or the Federal Government was or wasn't crooked.. please show me where I said that.

By saying on paper I mean by law it was a figure of speech. I wasn't saying you did not claim either was not corrupt. I was saying that is what I believe. Their all fucking up our economy and in the end that is all that really matters.

[slucero]

On paper? What the fuck are you talking about?...

I never said the Federal Reserve and/or the Federal Government was or wasn't crooked.. please show me where I said that.

By saying on paper I mean by law it was a figure of speech. I wasn't saying you did not claim either was not corrupt. I was saying that is what I believe. Their all fucking up our economy and in the end that is all that really matters.

There's what you think you know, and what you know you know.

If you are only willing to invest enough of your time to the point you think things are fucked up, but aren't willing to invest enough of your time to KNOW why things are are fucked up, then you are part of the problem.


There was a time when we used to expect people to know what they were talking about... and it's indicative on the state of our society that, in this age of 24hr, always available information.. we now accept unchallenged opinion as fact, and more importantly, have stopped, as a matter of personal principle, challenging ourselves to be knowledgeable enough on a topic to be factually accurate. Not doing so is how non-factual opinions come to be considered fact, and in the information-era spread like a computer virus. The irony is that all this actually makes society as a whole LESS literate..

Dig into the data. Crack a book. Don't accept superficial or anecdotal info as "fact".

It actually makes a difference.

[Boomchild]

There's what you think you know, and what you know you know.

If you are only willing to invest enough of your time to the point you think things are fucked up, but aren't willing to invest enough of your time to KNOW how and why things are are fucked up.

You are part of the problem.

Why thank you very much for that compliment.

[slucero]

There's what you think you know, and what you know you know.

If you are only willing to invest enough of your time to the point you think things are fucked up, but aren't willing to invest enough of your time to KNOW how and why things are are fucked up.

You are part of the problem.

Why thank you very much for that compliment.

All I've heard from you is opinion.. I've never seen you post anything factual.. yet when I challenge you to BE factual.. you side-step, take something out of context, or get butt hurt.

Grow up, gain some knowledge, support your opinions with some irrefutable fact and teach and enlighten others, instead of spreading disinformation and half-truths...

We'll all be the better for it.

[Boomchild]

There's what you think you know, and what you know you know.

If you are only willing to invest enough of your time to the point you think things are fucked up, but aren't willing to invest enough of your time to KNOW how and why things are are fucked up.

You are part of the problem.

Why thank you very much for that compliment.

All I've heard from you is opinion.. I've never seen you post anything factual.. yet when I challenge you to BE factual.. you side-step, take something out of context, or get butt hurt.

Grow up, gain some knowledge, support your opinions with some irrefutable fact and teach and enlighten others, instead of spreading disinformation and half-truths...

We'll all be the better for it.

Yes Daddy.

[Memorex]

Here's what I'll say about Al Gore. The man had as much, if not more, of a chance to become an important, world-wide statesman after the election than Bill Clinton had. Clinton went out and reformed his image and worked to be charitable on a grand scale. Gore could have done so much good in the world. He was sitting in the perfect place to do that. But then he went off the rails. The yelling and screaming, the meltdowns. And then he doesn't even try to hide the hypocritical side to his profiteering. I have exactly zero respect for him. That bothers me because I could be sitting here writing about how much good he has done. He just chose the wrong path. I hope he is happy with all that money.

[slucero]

There's what you think you know, and what you know you know.

If you are only willing to invest enough of your time to the point you think things are fucked up, but aren't willing to invest enough of your time to KNOW how and why things are are fucked up.

You are part of the problem.

Why thank you very much for that compliment.

All I've heard from you is opinion.. I've never seen you post anything factual.. yet when I challenge you to BE factual.. you side-step, take something out of context, or get butt hurt.

Grow up, gain some knowledge, support your opinions with some irrefutable fact and teach and enlighten others, instead of spreading disinformation and half-truths...

We'll all be the better for it.

Yes Daddy.

Well that's very adult of you... At least someone like Gideon debates from a factual perspective.... and even for his young age, treats people like adults.. that's something to be respected... I guess we all know now to treat you like a child..

SevenWishes, you outta ignore this kid... clearly he can't debate a topic like an adult..... he's not worth yer time...

[Boomchild]

Well that's very adult of you... At least someone like Gideon debates from a factual perspective.... and even for his young age, treats people like adults.. that's something to be respected... I guess we all know now to treat you like a child..

SevenWishes, you outta ignore this kid... clearly he can't debate a topic like an adult..... he's not worth yer time...

Dude you need to get over yourself. I did not say that your explanation was wrong.

[slucero]

Well that's very adult of you... At least someone like Gideon debates from a factual perspective.... and even for his young age, treats people like adults.. that's something to be respected... I guess we all know now to treat you like a child..

SevenWishes, you outta ignore this kid... clearly he can't debate a topic like an adult..... he's not worth yer time...

Dude you need to get over yourself. I did not say that your explanation was wrong.

No... you attempted to validate your position with another opinion.. which I pointed out was wrong.. and instead of responding with something factual to support your revised opinion.. you simply chose to to ridicule me by responding like a child... that's called a personal attack...

You are the one who's changing your personality in the thread and not staying on topic .. going from adult to child...

And you want me to get over myself... lol...

[Boomchild]

No... you attempted to validate your position with another opinion.. which I pointed out was wrong.. and instead of responding with something factual to support your revised opinion.. you simply chose to to ridicule me by responding like a child... that's called a personal attack...

You are the one who's changing your personality in the thread and not staying on topic .. going from adult to child...

And you want me to get over myself... lol...

Personal attack. You mean like telling someone that their "part of the problem". I see. Your right I'm wrong, feel better now????

[slucero]

No... you attempted to validate your position with another opinion.. which I pointed out was wrong.. and instead of responding with something factual to support your revised opinion.. you simply chose to to ridicule me by responding like a child... that's called a personal attack...

You are the one who's changing your personality in the thread and not staying on topic .. going from adult to child...

And you want me to get over myself... lol...

Personal attack. You mean like telling someone that their "part of the problem". I see. Your right I'm wrong, feel better now????

You obviously do not have a clear understanding of what you are posting about. That you are taking it so personally (meaning "if the shoe fits") is your problem. Don't like being called out on it, stick to posting in the music forums.

I know I'd feel a whole lot better if you'd simply do some research about the topic you post about... your illiteracy on it is not serving you well.

That is up to you.

[Boomchild]

You obviously do not have a clear understanding of what you are posting about. That you are taking it so personally (meaning "if the shoe fits") is your problem. Don't like being called out on it, stick to posting in the music forums.

I know I'd feel a whole lot better if you'd simply do some research about the topic you post about... your illiteracy on it is not serving you well.

That is up to you.

Your the one that made it personal by stating "Your part of the problem". I do not need you to tell me where to post on this site either. Get of your high horse.

[slucero]

You obviously do not have a clear understanding of what you are posting about. That you are taking it so personally (meaning "if the shoe fits") is your problem. Don't like being called out on it, stick to posting in the music forums.

I know I'd feel a whole lot better if you'd simply do some research about the topic you post about... your illiteracy on it is not serving you well.

That is up to you.

Your the one that made it personal by stating "Your part of the problem". I do not need you to tell me where to post on this site either. Get of your high horse.

lmao...

yer right.. you can post wherever you want... and be corrected on what you post at any time..


Grow a spine.

[Boomchild]

You obviously do not have a clear understanding of what you are posting about. That you are taking it so personally (meaning "if the shoe fits") is your problem. Don't like being called out on it, stick to posting in the music forums.

I know I'd feel a whole lot better if you'd simply do some research about the topic you post about... your illiteracy on it is not serving you well.

That is up to you.

Your the one that made it personal by stating "Your part of the problem". I do not need you to tell me where to post on this site either. Get of your high horse.

lmao...

yer right.. you can post wherever you want... and be corrected on what you post at any time..


Grow a spine.

Just can't admit that you made it personal by your comment can you? I think it's you that needs the spine. Anyway, this back and forth banter serves no purpose other then maybe to stroke your own intellectual ego and I am done feeding it.

[slucero]

You obviously do not have a clear understanding of what you are posting about. That you are taking it so personally (meaning "if the shoe fits") is your problem. Don't like being called out on it, stick to posting in the music forums.

I know I'd feel a whole lot better if you'd simply do some research about the topic you post about... your illiteracy on it is not serving you well.

That is up to you.

Your the one that made it personal by stating "Your part of the problem". I do not need you to tell me where to post on this site either. Get of your high horse.

lmao...

yer right.. you can post wherever you want... and be corrected on what you post at any time..


Grow a spine.

Just can't admit that you made it personal by your comment can you? I think it's you that needs the spine. Anyway, this back and forth banter serves no purpose other then maybe to stroke your own intellectual ego and I am done feeding it.

actually, if you read the sentence I posted:

If you are only willing to invest enough of your time to the point you think things are fucked up, but aren't willing to invest enough of your time to KNOW why things are are fucked up, then you are part of the problem.

.. for you to consider it "personal" then you must also agree that you are part of the problem...

Which means you agree with me.

Which is it?

[Memorex]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1sONfxPCTU0

[slucero]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1sONfxPCTU0

hey I'm getting along just fine.. thanks...