Cain says UK tour will feature Eclipse and Gens

[Don]

There were quite a few complaints about Journey's sound the other night at Belfast.
Who is their sound guy? Is it some family member they are unwilling to fire? Third UK tour in a row where the other bands sound fine but Journey has issues.

"WAKE UP!, have I got you attention? Here a wake up call. Was at the belfast gig tonight, Thunder sounded good for an opening band, really good. whitesnake were really good and worked the sound and crowd well. Then Journey came on and it was like listening to someone singing karaoke. I love the band with a passion but could not believe how quiet the PA was, and to make matters worse the set could not have been any safer. Here is the facts.
1. Your sound man must have had an off night or does not know his stuff( as a musician of sorts there is nothing more frustrating that playing your heart out then finding out the sound front of house was poor)
2. Journey actually did sound like they were miming the first 5 or 6 song of the set because they sounded perfect but far to quiet.
3 if this problem is not addressed they will be blown off the UK tour through no fault of there own.
I need the band to be aware of these issues so if anyone can get through to the band to rectify these issues please pass on."

"Great gig, first 5 songs were very subdued though, came alive after 007 piece, guitar sound seemed hidden."

"was at belfast gig last nite guys and i am a journey fan and it was awful!! whitesnake blew you guys of the stage."

"was at Belfast last night. have to say you sounded awful couldn't understand a word very muffled! never seen so many people leave an arena so quickly. sorry but i agree Whitesnake were fantastic they really did blow you guys off the stage !!!!"

"Really hope you guys fix this gor tomorrow night in Glasgow! Am not at all surprised that Coverdale did his thing superbly as usual, the legends a total showman with outstanding vocals. Mind you, no-one but no-one should be sounding 'karaoke'ish at this level! Love Thunder live n glad they're spot on."

"Really hope they get the sound sorted, it was really bad!! At least 1/3 of the crowd left I'm a big Journey fan and have seen them many times but not sure I will again. They looked like they were playing their hearts out but I really can't understand why Thunder and White Snake sounded amazing and then on come Journey and I could hear people talking around us louder that the band. Very disapointing ( "

"I agree with a lot of the comments above..I love journey but seriously the first time I have ever heard crowd conversation during a gig and I was standing 3 rows in from the stage!! Hugely disappointed overall with Journeys gig...Thunder and whitesnake rocked"

Already two complaints from from the Glascow gig so it looks like another year of Journey not getting it right while the other bands do.

"Just in from the Glasgow gig & can repeat the previous comments from the Belfast gig..Thunder & Whitesnake were awesome but the sound for Journey was pathetic (at best.!!) They really need to get this sorted out ASAP, this was the 1st ever gig in my life that I've left early"

"hate to say it..Big Journey Fan..but I have to agree. Sound was dreadful!"

[Gideon]

It's been said that Neal can't read music. After 3 years of ignored sound complaints, I'm pretty sure we can add "words" to the list, too.

[Archetype]

This has been going for what, 2 years now? Evidently they just don't care, and that miserably safe set list makes me feel like this tour deserves to fail.

[Don]

With the Jon Lord tribute Whitesnake is doing this tour, they are definitely a hard act to follow. Coverdale has so much charismatic stage presence to boot.

To follow that up with Sonic the Filipino AND have sound issues too? Tough night for Journey.

[steveo777]

This seems like a poor road show act who are doing the best they can afford. What happened to the pride of putting on a great show? Apparently, they are just surfing on the money from ticket sales and couldn't give a shit about the quality of their act anymore. If they don't care and apparently, it seems that way, maybe they just need to call it a day.

Everyone is getting sick of ONLY the dirty dozen being played, except the Filipinos, who shun most everything else. I guess their world is shrinking, as the speed of a particular demographic, seems to be the speed of the band these days.

[Don]

This seems like a poor road show act who are doing the best they can afford. What happened to the pride of putting on a great show? Apparently, they are just surfing on the money from ticket sales and couldn't give a shit about the quality of their act anymore. If they don't care and apparently, it seems that way, maybe they just need to call it a day.

Everyone is getting sick of ONLY the dirty dozen being played, except the Filipinos, who shun most everything else. I guess their world is shrinking, as the speed of a particular demographic, seems to be the speed of the band these days.

This is my own opinion but Neal's problem appears to be (to me anyway) that he really thinks he can make Journey a hardrock band just by being there, noodling for five minutes.
Really, two guitar solos in one show DO NOT OFFSET playing Open Arms, Lights and Faithfully. Yeah, Whitesnake has "Is this Love" but that's more in tune with "Resonate" or "Chain Of Love."
I get it, Faithfully has to be played (even though down tuning has made it quite possibly the worse song in the entire setlist) but for god's sake, drop Open Arms.
Edge Of The Blade, Castle's Burning, Lay It Down..put something on out there with a blue collar feel to it that has a bit of meanness to it too. See how it goes.
And no, an acoustic version of Winds Of March isn't what I'm talking about. Play She's a Mystery if you want to go that that route. The chance of Euros knowing either song that well is probably equal so why not go with something new?

[steveo777]

This seems like a poor road show act who are doing the best they can afford. What happened to the pride of putting on a great show? Apparently, they are just surfing on the money from ticket sales and couldn't give a shit about the quality of their act anymore. If they don't care and apparently, it seems that way, maybe they just need to call it a day.

Everyone is getting sick of ONLY the dirty dozen being played, except the Filipinos, who shun most everything else. I guess their world is shrinking, as the speed of a particular demographic, seems to be the speed of the band these days.

This is my own opinion but Neal's problem appears to be (to me anyway) that he really thinks he can make Journey a hardrock band just by being there, noodling for five minutes.
Really, two guitar solos in one show DO NOT OFFSET playing Open Arms, Lights and Faithfully. Yeah, Whitesnake has "Is this Love" but that's more in tune with "Resonate" or "Chain Of Love."
I get it, Faithfully has to be played (even though down tuning has made it quite possibly the worse song in the entire setlist) but for god's sake, drop Open Arms.
Edge Of The Blade, Castle's Burning, Lay It Down..put something on out there with a blue collar feel to it that has a bit of meanness to it too. See how it goes.
And no, an acoustic version of Winds Of March isn't what I'm talking about. Play She's a Mystery if you want to go that that route. The chance of Euros knowing either song that well is probably equal so why not go with something new?

You deduced they are about to play WOM too? You genius, you! I don't know where you get your information, son, but I don't like it! LOL All jokes aside, what in the fuck are these guys doing? Seems the compass is broken and whatever communications we express are not being heard. It's not just us here, these sentiments are being expressed everywhere. WTF Over!

[Don]

Sheffield Setlist. They swapped out Escape for Just The Same Way. So far, contrary to what Jon said in the article, no Eclipse or Gen tracks.

Separate Ways (Worlds Apart)
Ask the Lonely
Only the Young
Guitar Solo
(Featuring God Save The Queen)
Stone in Love
Keep on Runnin'
(Deen Castronovo on lead vocals)
Edge of the Blade
Lights
Open Arms
Dead or Alive
Just the Same Way
Wheel in the Sky
(extended guitar into)
Be Good to Yourself
Faithfully
Don't Stop Believin'
Any Way You Want It

[jestor92]

Sheffield Setlist. They swapped out Escape for Just The Same Way. So far, contrary to what Jon said in the article, no Eclipse or Gen tracks.

Separate Ways (Worlds Apart)
Ask the Lonely
Only the Young
Guitar Solo
(Featuring God Save The Queen)
Stone in Love
Keep on Runnin'
(Deen Castronovo on lead vocals)
Edge of the Blade
Lights
Open Arms
Dead or Alive
Just the Same Way
Wheel in the Sky
(extended guitar into)
Be Good to Yourself
Faithfully
Don't Stop Believin'
Any Way You Want It

No Eclipse or Generations being played. Looks like someone was full of shit to try to sell a few tickets.

[steveo777]

Why do other bands have stacks of amps and Journey doesn't? I want this answer! Are they trying to put it all out through house PA systems? If so, therein just may lie the problem. Seems they don't want to pack the gear anymore and I think doing it the way they are creates problems that not even their sound guy can fix. Seems pretty hit or miss and lately more miss than hit.

[slucero]

Why do other bands have stacks of amps and Journey doesn't? I want this answer! Are they trying to put it all out through house PA systems? If so, therein just may lie the problem. Seems they don't want to pack the gear anymore and I think doing it the way they are creates problems that not even their sound guy can fix. Seems pretty hit or miss and lately more miss than hit.

The amp wall is a leftover from the hairband/metal days. simply for for visual effect.. Even then, only one or two of the cabinets and heads were are actually in use.

Really there's no need for the live wall of amps anymore.. especially since stage monitoring systems have gotten so good. It's also easier to mix when the overall stage volume is lower, and easier to make sound good through the mains.. since they don't have to compete with the stage volume..

They can get just as much volume in their "in ear" systems as they want these days... or through the monitor wedges ( if they are using them)...

In fact.. most of the albums you likely love... (Led Zep, Tom Petty).. were recorded with small low wattage amps that had only 1 or 2 speakers, as it was far easier to make a small amp sound "big" than the other way around..

[Archetype]

Why do other bands have stacks of amps and Journey doesn't? I want this answer! Are they trying to put it all out through house PA systems? If so, therein just may lie the problem. Seems they don't want to pack the gear anymore and I think doing it the way they are creates problems that not even their sound guy can fix. Seems pretty hit or miss and lately more miss than hit.

The amp wall is a leftover from the hairband/metal days. simply for for visual effect.. Even then, only one or two of the cabinets and heads were are actually in use.

Truth. I saw Slayer a couple years ago and the roadies were literally throwing most of the "amps" up to make the amp wall. They were hollow. It's just like a lot of drummers (Deen Castronovo included) who play a single bass drum with a double pedal setup and have the second bass drum for show.

[slucero]

Why do other bands have stacks of amps and Journey doesn't? I want this answer! Are they trying to put it all out through house PA systems? If so, therein just may lie the problem. Seems they don't want to pack the gear anymore and I think doing it the way they are creates problems that not even their sound guy can fix. Seems pretty hit or miss and lately more miss than hit.

The amp wall is a leftover from the hairband/metal days. simply for for visual effect.. Even then, only one or two of the cabinets and heads were are actually in use.

Truth. I saw Slayer a couple years ago and the roadies were literally throwing most of the "amps" up to make the amp wall. They were hollow. It's just like a lot of drummers (Deen Castronovo included) who play a single bass drum with a double pedal setup and have the second bass drum for show.

yup... and many times the drums heard through the mains are now triggered samples too....


check out the Judas Priest "wall of amps"... US Festival 1983