After Arnel's voice is toast, who's next?

[WalrusOct9]

My forecast is if the band continues on if Arnel departs the band, it will only be because they find someone else who not only can sing the way they want, but also has an incredible writing ability.

After the, um, muted reception to Eclipse, I'd be genuinely surprised if Journey made another record. I'd be happy if they did, since I thought Revelations was quite good, but without another WalMart deal or something of the like (a trend which gratefully seems to have subsided) I'm not sure if the band could be arsed to write more songs.

[slucero]

Wasn't there an interview where Jon or Deen said that when Arnels' done they are too?

[The_Noble_Cause]

Wasn't there an interview where Jon or Deen said that when Arnels' done they are too?

Talk is cheap. Neal's instrumental guitar cds don't exactly pay the rent or the alimony.

[The_Noble_Cause]

After the, um, muted reception to Eclipse, I'd be genuinely surprised if Journey made another record.

It debuted in the top 20 - better than Arrival, Red 13, or Generations. By any post-Perry standard, that's not a half bad showing.

[Kor'n]

After the, um, muted reception to Eclipse, I'd be genuinely surprised if Journey made another record.

It debuted in the top 20 - better than Arrival, Red 13, or Generations. By any post-Perry standard, that's not a half bad showing.

You should have told that to Walmart to see if it cared, obviously not since they were dropped. 21k is 21k no matter where it debuted. If that is the best they can do with a Wally distribution, one may only imagine the numbers with peddling from their website. Keep in mind, they are the Perry-less Journey, with no Sony legacy and if they are to be sought after, they have to do BIG NUMBERS - albums, touring wise, etc. that they have failed to do, even with "DSB." Where are they now?

Journey did 60 shows with $25m and Van Halen did 41 shows with $40m. Rollingstone called VH's, soft sales, and didn't even call Journey's.

[The_Noble_Cause]

You should have told that to Walmart to see if it cared, obviously not since they were dropped.

Journey was not dropped. The Wmart exec in charge of the classic rock exclusives (which ranged from Loverboy to Eagles to AC/DC to Kiss to Foreigner and yes, to Journey) was fired.So the very first sentence of your post is misinformed nonsense. I highly doubt the rest is any more truthy.

[The Sushi Hunter]

Wasn't there an interview where Jon or Deen said that when Arnels' done they are too?

Yeah that sounds about what was said at some point before. I would say this is what would happen but....if they had the opportunity to get in another great singer with outstanding writing skills with a lot of new material that they could work with, I'd say they'd jump on that opportunity.

[The_Noble_Cause]

....if they had the opportunity to get in another great singer with outstanding writing skills with a lot of new material that they could work with, I'd say they'd jump on that opportunity.

JSS seemed to share a GREAT writing chemistry with Neal. He was fired. Other former Journey possibilities, like Chalfant and Bolton, also have decent writing chops. None of them ever made the cut. If anything, recent history has proven that Cain/Schon (most likely Cain) wants to keep the writing dynamic exactly the way it is. Jeremey would prolly be able to speak more on this.

[slucero]

While the rock element that Schon brought to the writing team is obvious.. he was the weakest of the 3 as a lyricist.. and most of what Cain and Perry did kept Schon's contributions concise and focused in a very good way.

Cain and Perry shared a love of R&B and Cains's admitted he misses writing with Perry..

[Kor'n]

You should have told that to Walmart to see if it cared, obviously not since they were dropped.

Journey was not dropped. The Wmart exec in charge of the classic rock exclusives (which ranged from Loverboy to Eagles to AC/DC to Kiss to Foreigner and yes, to Journey) was fired.So the very first sentence of your post is misinformed nonsense. I highly doubt the rest is any more truthy.

They were dropped. If that flop "Eclipse" had done better, the new "exec" would have kept right on rolling with them. Pretty sure there is another "exec" there taking care of things, along with many major distributors out there, but no interest in the "Perryless Journey" just like Sony has none. Pretty sure The Eagles, AC/DC and Kiss can find a distributor anytime.

Let me repeat, a 21k debut is a 21k debut (at #13 is irrelevant for a Perryless Journey) no matter how you spin, and no one is interested in a bunch of unknown guys including a karaoke singer that cannot sell records and tours in packages.

[The_Noble_Cause]

They were dropped.

Prove it. Foreigner's last Walmart release bombed spectacularly. They weren't dropped either.

If that flop "Eclipse" had done better, the new "exec" would have kept right on rolling with them.

Revelation and the Manilla dvd did great business.

Pretty sure The Eagles, AC/DC and Kiss can find a distributor anytime.

So why isn't Walmart sticking with them? Did Walmart drop them too?

Let me repeat, a 21k debut is a 21k debut (at #13 is irrelevant for a Perryless Journey) no matter how you spin,

Repeat it all you want. It's still a better debut than the other post-Perry release. Now what, bitch?

...and no one is interested in a bunch of unknown guys including a karaoke singer that cannot sell records and tours in packages.

Frontiers would sign them up in a second just like Sammy Hagar, Yes, and TOTO. Not a bad bunch of peers.

[Kor'n]

They were dropped.

Prove it. Foreigner's last Walmart release bombed spectacularly. They weren't dropped either

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Count-down to the next album! I think anyone would be signed to a big distributor before Journey.

If that flop "Eclipse" had done better, the new "exec" would have kept right on rolling with them.

Revelation and the Manilla dvd did great business.

Didn't save them from being dropped and interest elsewhere from a top dog distributor because it was karaoke.

Pretty sure The Eagles, AC/DC and Kiss can find a distributor anytime.

So why isn't Walmart sticking with them? Did Walmart drop them too?

No, but they dropped Journey. And for a band that says "He can sing anything" they probably should not be posting scenery and guitars to their FB and NS reaching for coattails (Santana, Hagar...).

Let me repeat, a 21k debut is a 21k debut (at #13 is irrelevant for a Perryless Journey) no matter how you spin,

Repeat it all you want. It's still a better debut than the other post-Perry release. Now what, bitch?

Too bad there has been descension instead of ascension. May the legacy Steve Perry helped create go "on and on" w/o interruptions. Nice that they have completely stop playing post-Perry stuff. Guess your words ring true "been stuck in Steve Perry clone h... since 1998." TNC/2012? (Fill in the blank)

...and no one is interested in a bunch of unknown guys including a karaoke singer that cannot sell records and tours in packages.

Frontiers would sign them up in a second just like Sammy Hagar, Yes, and TOTO. Not a bad bunch of peers.

Yep! Frontiers signs up everybody "in a second" that cannot get a better label.

I think after the flop of Eclipse, Monker mentioned something to the effect of - "Now they are back to Frontiers and Generation sales." How well did 'Generation' sell......

I believe Heart and Bon Jovi (original voices) still have distribution by the major labels that hold their catalogs, like Sony for Heart, but of course, Sony would never damage the Perry legacy with a band that's limited. Guess Metallica's "Never...." and Pearl Jam's "lightning Bolt" bypassed Frontiers..

[The_Noble_Cause]

Count-down to the next album! I think anyone would be signed to a big distributor before Journey.

Neal says there will be another album. After "Arrival" flopped, Perry-only fans like yourself were the first to say that the band's days of new music were numbered. You were wrong then and now.

No, but they dropped Journey.

WalMart stopped all exclusive classic rock releases, not just Journey. If you have proof otherwise, then show it.

And for a band that says "He can sing anything" they probably should not be posting scenery and guitars to their FB and NS reaching for coattails (Santana, Hagar...)

Not even sure what this means. Scenery? Is Neal posting pics of him trimming the hedges in his yard or something? Does it matter? What? Who cares?

Too bad there has been descension instead of ascension.

Kinda like Perry's FTLOSM selling less than Street Talk, right?

May the legacy Steve Perry helped create go "on and on" w/o interruptions. Nice that they have completely stop playing post-Perry stuff. Guess your words ring true "been stuck in Steve Perry clone h... since 1998." TNC/2012? (Fill in the blank)

Dude, Perry hasn't toured with Journey in decades. He's not coming back. And no amount of spewed online vitriol will ever change that. I know you are in alot of pain, but let it go.

Yep! Frontiers signs up everybody "in a second" that cannot get a better label.

And they are laughing all the way to the bank. Frontiers is becoming a label that classic rock artists turn to because they understand and respect the talent.

I think after the flop of Eclipse, Monker mentioned something to the effect of - "Now they are back to Frontiers and Generation sales." How well did 'Generation' sell......

Eclipse sold better than Generations, that's for sure. Do you have a point?

I believe Heart and Bon Jovi (original voices) still have distribution by the major labels that hold their catalogs, like Sony for Heart, but of course, Sony would never damage the Perry legacy with a band that's limited.

Is that why Sony released both the Perry-less Arrival and the 2001 dvd? None of your arguments make any sense, dude.

[Eric]

I believe Heart and Bon Jovi (original voices) still have distribution by the major labels that hold their catalogs, like Sony for Heart, but of course, Sony would never damage the Perry legacy with a band that's limited. Guess Metallica's "Never...." and Pearl Jam's "lightning Bolt" bypassed Frontiers..

1. You mean, Heart...the band that OPENS for this Journey you so despise?
2. Would rather listen to Sambora play guitar or Bon Jovi act than listen to Bon Jovi sing.

[Kor'n]

Count-down to the next album! I think anyone would be signed to a big distributor before Journey.

Neal says there will be another album. After "Arrival" flopped, Perry-only fans like yourself were the first to say that the band's days of new music were numbered. You were wrong then and now.

One would think they would be more incline now to release, but now seem afraid ('shrug off new music /UCR 2013) to release, for fear of a bigger flop than Eclipse for people to witness. They, "like youself," thought they had recaptured the past when fans would buy anything Journey. But, they may release albums now till the moon or sun falls from the sky, makes no difference. They have tarnished the legacy, and Pineda cannot take'em anywhere, but on the road in triple packages with diminishing crowds - headliner, co-headliner or opening act? They must continue w/o letup, for there is nothing to bring them back since DSB hasn't the punch it once did. They cannot count on a Typhoon in throwing out their touring schedule or feigning contribution for an already forgotten PPV.

P. S. Neal's camp was saying 80,000 for PPV wedding. Probably need to drop off the last three zeros, and not put much cred into what he says.

No, but they dropped Journey.

WalMart stopped all exclusive classic rock releases, not just Journey. If you have proof otherwise, then show it.

If that's the case and should the exclusives start up again, you may rest assured karaoke Journey won't be on their list, except in "your eyes only."

And for a band that says "He can sing anything" they probably should not be posting scenery and guitars to their FB and NS reaching for coattails (Santana, Hagar...)

Not even sure what this means. Scenery? Is Neal posting pics of him trimming the hedges in his yard or something? Does it matter? What? Who cares?

You are never sure of what things mean or you would face reality like the band has with complete deflection of anything not from the Perry years. They "care" that they are going downward instead of upward. No more Today Show, etc. for karaoke Journey, since, unfortunately, DSB, is taking a nose dive.

Too bad there has been descension instead of ascension.

Kinda like Perry's FTLOSM selling less than Street Talk, right?

Nope, Street Talk went multi-platinum and FTLOSM went gold, unlike karaoke Revelation going fake platinum and Eclipse going flop. Certification of their tribute band status.

May the legacy Steve Perry helped create go "on and on" w/o interruptions. Nice that they have completely stop playing post-Perry stuff. Guess your words ring true "been stuck in Steve Perry clone h... since 1998." TNC/2012? (Fill in the blank)

Dude, Perry hasn't toured with Journey in decades. He's not coming back. And no amount of spewed online vitriol will ever change that. I know you are in alot of pain, but let it go.

I would think NOT. The band is "not coming back" "And no amount of spewed online vitriol will ever change that. I know you are in alot of pain, but let it go" for their "whole world ended the moment" Eclipse flopped. No amount of your charging through the board shooting everyone down will change that.

Yep! Frontiers signs up everybody "in a second" that cannot get a better label.

And they are laughing all the way to the bank. Frontiers is becoming a label that classic rock artists turn to because they understand and respect the talent.

Better to laugh than to cry when you sell 20-30k records. To the best of my knowledge, banks do accept change. It's nice that "Frontiers is becoming" a talent respecter, for that's the best it could do when flop is imminent.

I think after the flop of Eclipse, Monker mentioned something to the effect of - "Now they are back to Frontiers and Generation sales." How well did 'Generation' sell......

Eclipse sold better than Generations, that's for sure. Do you have a point?

Not that anyone cares, not even the band. A Perryless Journey has to sell better than chicken feed numbers. Their touring comes no where near Aerosmith, Fleetwood, Eagles, BonJ, and that's what they need to do w/o Perry, not 60 package deal shows w/25m. Then no where to be found in 2013 (on top 100 list) with no package deals.

I believe Heart and Bon Jovi (original voices) still have distribution by the major labels that hold their catalogs, like Sony for Heart, but of course, Sony would never damage the Perry legacy with a band that's limited.

Is that why Sony released both the Perry-less Arrival and the 2001 dvd? None of your arguments make any sense, dude.

They were signed to Sony, before being CUT, and without the luxury of DSB and tv appearances. Sony won't be dealing with this karaoke Journey, nor will anyone else. They have one thing they may do and MUST do in packages - Tour. "None of your [senseless] arguments" will change that "dude."

[Kor'n]

I believe Heart and Bon Jovi (original voices) still have distribution by the major labels that hold their catalogs, like Sony for Heart, but of course, Sony would never damage the Perry legacy with a band that's limited. Guess Metallica's "Never...." and Pearl Jam's "lightning Bolt" bypassed Frontiers..

1. You mean, Heart...the band that OPENS for this Journey you so despise?

Yes, the same Heart that was INDUCTED in the RORHOF.

2. Would rather listen to Sambora play guitar or Bon Jovi act than listen to Bon Jovi sing.

The Top 25 Tours of 2013 are ranked by gross, compiled from Billboard Boxscores reported from Nov. 14, 2012, to Nov. 12, 2013.

(1)
Bon Jovi
BON JOVI
Total Gross: $205,158,370
Total Attendance: 2,178,170
Total Capacity: 2,178,170
No. of Shows: 90
No. of Sellouts: 90

Without Sambora, unfortunately. Quite sure BJ would be saddened by your "revelation."

[The_Noble_Cause]

One would think they would be more incline now to release, but now seem afraid ('shrug off new music /UCR 2013) to release, for fear of a bigger flop than Eclipse for people to witness. They, "like youself," thought they had recaptured the past when fans would buy anything Journey. But, they may release albums now till the moon or sun falls from the sky, makes no difference. They have tarnished the legacy, and Pineda cannot take'em anywhere, but on the road in triple packages with diminishing crowds - headliner, co-headliner or opening act? They must continue w/o letup, for there is nothing to bring them back since DSB hasn't the punch it once did. They cannot count on a Typhoon in throwing out their touring schedule or feigning contribution for an already forgotten PPV.

Total word salad. Told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing. So you miss Perry? Is that what you’re trying to say in the convoluted verbal diarrhea above? Boo hoo. Want a hankie?

If that's the case and should the exclusives start up again, you may rest assured karaoke Journey won't be on their list, except in "your eyes only."

Like I said, the Wally World classic rock exclusives were halted and the exec behind them got shit-canned. Do you have proof that only Journey got dropped? The entire classic rock department was phased out. Go peddle your revisionist history elsewhere. Revelation and the Manilla dvd sold really well for Wmart on the strength of the catalog. Eclipse was a disappointment, but not a disaster.

You are never sure of what things mean or you would face reality like the band has with complete deflection of anything not from the Perry years.

Another quote that doesn’t make ANY sense.

They "care" that they are going downward instead of upward. No more Today Show, etc. for karaoke Journey, since, unfortunately, DSB, is taking a nose dive.

Been hearing this same line ad-nauseum from Perry obsessed housewives every since they re-grouped and put out Arrival. Guess what? The band is bigger now than before, and certainly ALOT bigger than they would be with Perry still in the band. A Perry fronted Journey = No Journey.

Nope, Street Talk went multi-platinum and FTLOSM went gold, unlike karaoke Revelation going fake platinum and Eclipse going flop.

Platinum to Gold is a step-down. Perry’s dreadful "Greatest Hits + 5 Unreleased" sold even less. From Platinum to Gold to being a Howard Hughes type music industry recluse. Sounds like downward, not upward to me.

I would think NOT. The band is "not coming back" "And no amount of spewed online vitriol will ever change that.

The band is still here. Where is Perry? Why did he lie to fans in VH1: Behind The Music by tossing them a bone and saying he was thinking of coming back? Kind of like his lies about fracturing his hip in Hono'lulu in preparation for TBF?

I know you are in alot of pain, but let it go" for their "whole world ended the moment" Eclipse flopped. No amount of your charging through the board shooting everyone down will change that.

Did the world end when Arrival, Generations, and Red 13 flopped? Seems like you’re late to the party.

Better to laugh than to cry when you sell 20-30k records. To the best of my knowledge, banks do accept change. It's nice that "Frontiers is becoming" a talent respecter, for that's the best it could do when flop is imminent.

Boston, TOTO, YES, Sammy Hagar, Styx – not exactly garage bands. If I were a classic rock artist, these are exactly the peers I would want to be surrounded by on a record label. Not Sony, which is pushing flavor of the month gangsta rap wannabes and autotuned pop reality stars.

Not that anyone cares, not even the band. A Perryless Journey has to sell better than chicken feed numbers. Their touring comes no where near Aerosmith, Fleetwood, Eagles, BonJ, and that's what they need to do w/o Perry, not 60 package deal shows w/25m. Then no where to be found in 2013 (on top 100 list) with no package deals.

And a Journeyless Perry doesn’t tour or record at all.

They were signed to Sony, before being CUT, and without the luxury of DSB and tv appearances. Sony won't be dealing with this karaoke Journey, nor will anyone else. They have one thing they may do and MUST do in packages - Tour. "None of your [senseless] arguments" will change that "dude."

Last comment: learn to how to quote/post, you asshole!

[yulog]

One would think they would be more incline now to release, but now seem afraid ('shrug off new music /UCR 2013) to release, for fear of a bigger flop than Eclipse for people to witness. They, "like youself," thought they had recaptured the past when fans would buy anything Journey. But, they may release albums now till the moon or sun falls from the sky, makes no difference. They have tarnished the legacy, and Pineda cannot take'em anywhere, but on the road in triple packages with diminishing crowds - headliner, co-headliner or opening act? They must continue w/o letup, for there is nothing to bring them back since DSB hasn't the punch it once did. They cannot count on a Typhoon in throwing out their touring schedule or feigning contribution for an already forgotten PPV.

Total word salad. Told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing. So you miss Perry? Is that what you’re trying to say in the convoluted verbal diarrhea above? Boo hoo. Want a hankie?

If that's the case and should the exclusives start up again, you may rest assured karaoke Journey won't be on their list, except in "your eyes only."

Like I said, the Wally World classic rock exclusives were halted and the exec behind them got shit-canned. Do you have proof that only Journey got dropped? The entire classic rock department was phased out. Go peddle your revisionist history elsewhere. Revelation and the Manilla dvd sold really well for Wmart on the strength of the catalog. Eclipse was a disappointment, but not a disaster.

You are never sure of what things mean or you would face reality like the band has with complete deflection of anything not from the Perry years.

Another quote that doesn’t make ANY sense.

They "care" that they are going downward instead of upward. No more Today Show, etc. for karaoke Journey, since, unfortunately, DSB, is taking a nose dive.

Been hearing this same line ad-nauseum from Perry obsessed housewives every since they re-grouped and put out Arrival. Guess what? The band is bigger now than before, and certainly ALOT bigger than they would be with Perry still in the band. A Perry fronted Journey = No Journey.

Nope, Street Talk went multi-platinum and FTLOSM went gold, unlike karaoke Revelation going fake platinum and Eclipse going flop.

Platinum to Gold is a step-down. Perry’s dreadful "Greatest Hits + 5 Unreleased" sold even less. From Platinum to Gold to being a Howard Hughes type music industry recluse. Sounds like downward, not upward to me.

I would think NOT. The band is "not coming back" "And no amount of spewed online vitriol will ever change that.

The band is still here. Where is Perry? Why did he lie to fans in VH1: Behind The Music by tossing them a bone and saying he was thinking of coming back? Kind of like his lies about fracturing his hip in Hono'lulu in preparation for TBF?

I know you are in alot of pain, but let it go" for their "whole world ended the moment" Eclipse flopped. No amount of your charging through the board shooting everyone down will change that.

Did the world end when Arrival, Generations, and Red 13 flopped? Seems like you’re late to the party.

Better to laugh than to cry when you sell 20-30k records. To the best of my knowledge, banks do accept change. It's nice that "Frontiers is becoming" a talent respecter, for that's the best it could do when flop is imminent.

Boston, TOTO, YES, Sammy Hagar, Styx – not exactly garage bands. If I were a classic rock artist, these are exactly the peers I would want to be surrounded by on a record label. Not Sony, which is pushing flavor of the month gangsta rap wannabes and autotuned pop reality stars.

Not that anyone cares, not even the band. A Perryless Journey has to sell better than chicken feed numbers. Their touring comes no where near Aerosmith, Fleetwood, Eagles, BonJ, and that's what they need to do w/o Perry, not 60 package deal shows w/25m. Then no where to be found in 2013 (on top 100 list) with no package deals.

And a Journeyless Perry doesn’t tour or record at all.

They were signed to Sony, before being CUT, and without the luxury of DSB and tv appearances. Sony won't be dealing with this karaoke Journey, nor will anyone else. They have one thing they may do and MUST do in packages - Tour. "None of your [senseless] arguments" will change that "dude."

Last comment: learn to how to quote/post, you asshole!

Looks like you should take some of your own advice.....in the last comment no less(You got to love when someone screws up, telling someone else they screwed up)

[The_Noble_Cause]

They were signed to Sony, before being CUT, and without the luxury of DSB and tv appearances. Sony won't be dealing with this karaoke Journey, nor will anyone else. They have one thing they may do and MUST do in packages - Tour. "None of your [senseless] arguments" will change that "dude."

Last comment: learn to how to quote/post, you asshole!

Looks like you should take some of your own advice.....in the last comment no less(You got to love when someone screws up, telling someone else they screwed up)

The only thing even more hilarious is when someone screws up telling someone they screwed up when they actually haven't. My post is fine. Might want to change that lame-ass gif smiley into your avatar, illiterate dickhead.

[yulog]

Our resident blowhard TNC hasn't realized his error,he's such an angry little man.

[The_Noble_Cause]

Don't you have more photos of AR's loved ones to collect, you creepy ass fuck? Kor'nhole has a whole block of text attributed to me, when it's his/her own responses. That's the user error. Nothing on my part.

[Kor'n]

One would think they would be more incline now to release, but now seem afraid ('shrug off new music /UCR 2013) to release, for fear of a bigger flop than Eclipse for people to witness. They, "like youself," thought they had recaptured the past when fans would buy anything Journey. But, they may release albums now till the moon or sun falls from the sky, makes no difference. They have tarnished the legacy, and Pineda cannot take'em anywhere, but on the road in triple packages with diminishing crowds - headliner, co-headliner or opening act? They must continue w/o letup, for there is nothing to bring them back since DSB hasn't the punch it once did. They cannot count on a Typhoon in throwing out their touring schedule or feigning contribution for an already forgotten PPV.

Total word salad. Told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing. So you miss Perry? Is that what you’re trying to say in the convoluted verbal diarrhea above? Boo hoo. Want a hankie?

You haven't the slightest idea ever of what you are saying that is why you have to resort to words like "idiot" "diarrhea" etc. as you charge through the board trying to beat everyone down who disagrees with whatever you are saying. Keep it up.

If that's the case and should the exclusives start up again, you may rest assured karaoke Journey won't be on their list, except in "your eyes only."

Like I said, the Wally World classic rock exclusives were halted and the exec behind them got shit-canned. Do you have proof that only Journey got dropped? The entire classic rock department was phased out. Go peddle your revisionist history elsewhere. Revelation and the Manilla dvd sold really well for Wmart on the strength of the catalog. Eclipse was a disappointment, but not a disaster.

"Revelation and the Manila dvd sold really well for Wmart on the strength of the catalog" and that is why "Wmart" dropped them like a "hot potato" when Eclipse flopped. The Perryless Journey MUST sell big or NO ONE touches them. Eclipse was a "disaster" for Journey because they do not have their classic frontman, Steve Perry, for with Perry being the voice on the catalog, the numbers for Eclipse in conjunction with the Sony catalog, would have been okay. But, whatever the band does now, is not in conjunction with anything. No distribution of it except by them. NEVER NEVER on any tv to preview or talk about anything new it might be doing. The YT story is dead and NO ONE cares what karaoke Journey might be doing with its youtubey person.

You are never sure of what things mean or you would face reality like the band has with complete deflection of anything not from the Perry years.

Another quote that doesn’t make ANY sense.

Let me tell it to you like a kindergartner: If Perry did not sing it, they don't play it and they know it and you know it.

"Been stuck in Steve Perry clone h... [fill in the blank] since 1998. TNC(That's you.) 2012/2013

They "care" that they are going downward instead of upward. No more Today Show, etc. for karaoke Journey, since, unfortunately, DSB, is taking a nose dive.

Been hearing this same line ad-nauseum from Perry obsessed housewives every since they re-grouped and put out Arrival. Guess what? The band is bigger now than before, and certainly ALOT bigger than they would be with Perry still in the band. A Perry fronted Journey = No Journey.

Sounding like Eric "getting bigger and bigger." From headliner, opening act, co-headliner, disappearing completely when trying to go it alone. "Don't crack the stone." They should have listened and with Perry could have been the biggest ticket instead of fading, doing selfish Typhoon donations to release touring schedule and PPV supposed typhoon donations, leading people on that Perry might be the special guest, just trying to gather steam in efforts to stay afloat with a little spotlight. THEY MUST DO NEW MUSIC THAT SELLS WELL! Without Perry, they MUST do big things. Not one of their tours has been that big thing (whose talking now). When "DSB EMJ" was released on dvd, it was nice to see Greatest Hits 1978-1997 hit the dvd chart.

Nope, Street Talk went multi-platinum and FTLOSM went gold, unlike karaoke Revelation going fake platinum and Eclipse going flop.

Platinum to Gold is a step-down. Perry’s dreadful "Greatest Hits + 5 Unreleased" sold even less. From Platinum to Gold to being a Howard Hughes type music industry recluse. Sounds like downward, not upward to me.

Fake platinum to flop are many a "step[s] down." If Eclipse had done that kind of down FTLOSM gold, all would be well. Perry solo has sold more than Journey has without him. Better to be "a Howard Hughes type music industry recluse" than taking pathetic pictures of personals and emailing to folks in efforts for the spotlight or draping around in dark glasses constantly hanging onto a person like you're a man of the evening out with one of your "ladies of the night," hoping for the spotlight.

I would think NOT. The band is "not coming back" "And no amount of spewed online vitriol will ever change that.

The band is still here. Where is Perry? Why did he lie to fans in VH1: Behind The Music by tossing them a bone and saying he was thinking of coming back? Kind of like his lies about fracturing his hip in Hono'lulu in preparation for TBF?

Did the fans PPV to hear Perry say that like they paid money to unknowingly witness Steve A. lipping.....
Won't tell you what I'm "thinking" for you might accuse me of telling a big one. I wonder if Steve Perry's present limp has anything to do with his degenerative hip condition......

Yep, "the band is still here" without Steve Perry and they need him as you indicated:

Journey headlined Dallas lawyer Lisa Blue Baron's Saturday night Christmas party.
"Postby The_Noble_Cause » Tue Dec 10, 2013 12:54 am
Classy. Would they be whoring themselves out to play at Bar Mitzvahs and Ice Cream Socials if Perry was still in the band? This is horrible."

I know you are in alot of pain, but let it go" for their "whole world ended the moment" Eclipse flopped. No amount of your charging through the board shooting everyone down will change that.

Did the world end when Arrival, Generations, and Red 13 flopped? Seems like you’re late to the party

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Just continued on as you said: "Been stuck in Steve Perry clone ....(fill in the blank) since 1998." TNC(That's you.) 2012/2013

Better to laugh than to cry when you sell 20-30k records. To the best of my knowledge, banks do accept change. It's nice that "Frontiers is becoming" a talent respecter, for that's the best it could do when flop is imminent.

Boston, TOTO, YES, Sammy Hagar, Styx – not exactly garage bands. If I were a classic rock artist, these are exactly the peers I would want to be surrounded by on a record label. Not Sony, which is pushing flavor of the month gangsta rap wannabes and autotuned pop reality stars.

Are those former stars? Styx though is unbelievably Fantastic!!! Sony or any other big label is only interested in the "flavor of the month gangsta rap wannabes and autotoned pop reality starts" unless you are big dogs like Rollingstones, Bon Jovi, Madonna etc., not bands that MUST tour in packages, doing gazillion number of shows to "make ends meat."

Think I read somewhere that Santana's new collaboration album will be on RCA (a big dog.) Wonder if he does an album with that guitar player (that needs to hold on to someone's coattail or a faded skirttail to try to stay visable), will be on RCA or "Frontiers."

Not that anyone cares, not even the band. A Perryless Journey has to sell better than chicken feed numbers. Their touring comes no where near Aerosmith, Fleetwood, Eagles, BonJ, and that's what they need to do w/o Perry, not 60 package deal shows w/25m. Then no where to be found in 2013 (on top 100 list) with no package deals.

And a Journeyless Perry doesn’t tour or record at all.

"When you win the superbowl you should stop and enjoy it, not just keep going." SP 2008
They should have done that and perhaps would not be fading with a karaoke singer from Youtube.

"More to life than singing and touring." SP 9/20/2013

Guess a purchase is forthcoming:
"AWOLNATION Working With Steve Perry
'I'd like to push myself and get better,' Aaron Bruno says of his new material
http://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/ ... y-20131219"

They were signed to Sony, before being CUT, and without the luxury of DSB and tv appearances. Sony won't be dealing with this karaoke Journey, nor will anyone else. They have one thing they may do and MUST do in packages - Tour. "None of your [senseless] arguments" will change that "dude."

Last comment: learn to how to quote/post, you asshole!

My quoting is just fine and quick - originality. And forgive my saying, but you may suffer from major comprehension problems. And, you seem to be in the swearing mood, as usual - guess I "ruffled your feathers."

[The_Noble_Cause]

My quoting is just fine and quick - originality.

Is that what they are calling it now? Originality? When you have your words incorrectly attributed to me or other posters, I'd say that's damn near unreadable.

[Kor'n]

My quoting is just fine and quick - originality.

Is that what they are calling it now? Originality? When you have your words incorrectly attributed to me or other posters, I'd say that's damn near unreadable.

Yep, guess it is my "originality" if you do not get it. First, take a look at the very top where it has a quote with your name ("The Noble Cause wrote:), indicating that all of the following quotes with just the quote sign will be what you "wrote." And, as is obvious, "Kor'n wrote" is on my quotes that you (your quote sign with no name by it) responded to. Then you have the replies below that with no quote sign (far left margin non-shaded) that are mine since it is my responding post. Kinda like working everything in a bubble with the exception of my very last response at the end that would understandably fall outside of the bubble. Is that so difficult to comprehend..... Nothing is "incorrectly attributed to me or other posters" if you read it correctly. You must be having a bad day because surely you have seen that before, right....

Let me know if there is a better and faster way. Thank you!

[The_Noble_Cause]

You must be having a bad day because surely you have seen that before, right....

Yep. By people that don't know how to quote properly. It's OK. A vast majority of the Perry fanbase are tired old housewives whose only experience w/ modern technology is replacing the AA batteries in their pepper grinder dildo and/or turning on the oven to make bundt cakes. Your posts are unintelligible.

[Kor'n]

You must be having a bad day because surely you have seen that before, right....

Yep. By people that don't know how to quote properly. It's OK. A vast majority of the Perry fanbase are tired old housewives whose only experience w/ modern technology is replacing the AA batteries in their pepper grinder dildo and/or turning on the oven to make bundt cakes. Your posts are unintelligible.

Will quote you the quicker way, and am very sorry if you are not competent enough to understand something outside of the norm. Perhaps you should try "thinking outside of the box." And, can't you remember what you posted - altzheimer? Seems I remember what you posted, and GLADLY refer you back to it. From what I've read, a "vast majority of the Perry fanbase" have $127,000 loose cash laying around for bidding. Your rants are "unintelligible" and there is nothing better than confusing a ranting small mind. Now, take all the time in the world to get right your important quotes - if you have nothing else better to do, and I'll continue replying to your ranting my way. "The Art of Confusion" is a wonderful tool to throw at a ranting small mind, not to mention how funny it is if it appears that you are responding to your own ranting......"Yep"!

[Aaron]

I'd like to see the following guys considered in order of priority:

1. Steve Perry - do whatever you have to do to record one good rock records and do a limited tour with Perry. The guy is Jesus to lead singers, period. Get Brett Manning to work with him for 6 months, do a record in 4 weeks, and do a limited tour and call it a day. His melodic capability, writing skills and the voice of the 20th century gives him a pass for whatever it takes to get him back. Cain loves him as a writer and Schon loves him for his ability to harness his musical genious in a melodic way. The guy is the greatest vocalist to walk the earth, get him, have Manning get him (or me) in shape, and do a limited tour for the fans!

2. Hugo - I give Hugo the second nod because of his range and his music writing ability. His solo and Valentine records have KICKED JOURNEY'S ARSE. The guy is a great singer, musician and song writer. Hugo's work can hang with Journey's best and is clearly better than anything post Frontiers and arguably Escape.

3. Kevin Chalfant - no more needs said. Kevin's music on his own name, Two Fires with Ramos and The Storm with the obvious players are great music. Kevin's only drawback is his age. The guy is a great singer and song writer with great chops. My only concern is his age and the range he has to cover. The guy is awesome and his song writing hangs with anyone.

4. James Durbin - if Journey really wanted a feel good story that would carry on for the next couple of decades, they would consider this kid. I think Idol sucks but this kid could sing like a mofo. He has a great story about dealing with Turrets Syndrome but most importantly, HE HAS A GREAT VOICE. Get this kid and make hay for the next 20 years until Neil keels over and has no alimony. The kid deserves a shot.

5. Michael Bolton - Holy crap I never realized how good this guy was because of the gooshy fago crap he sang. I bought The Hunger where Schon and Cain had influence with Bolton singing and it was still gay. I've heard his latest commercials for whatever Japo car company, but HFS his voice is awesome. He sounds as great as he did 20 years ago on fago material. Schon, go get him, smack him around a bit, play some shite with balls, tell him to grow a pair and rock! The guy is a great singer.

6. Mitch Milloy - I had no idea who this guy was until the recent VH info. I still don't know much. This guy has two things going for him. One, he has a great voice that kicks butt in the range that fits with Journey. Two, the guy has character OUT THE ASS by telling VH to pound sand for the right reasons. Balls and a voice, go get this guy. My guess is Journey needs a good singer with no input so JC and NS can manage the important stuff and not be a band. If this is the case (and I'm sure it is), MM tell Journey to FO just like you did VH. Well done sir, you rock!

Honorable mentions:
1. Jason Kelty - dude I don't know what you're doing but I seen you in the mid 90's and you were awesome. I'm not sure what you sound like now but your voice NAILED the 1978 to 1980 Perry voice. I'd like to hear more from you sir.

2. Jeremey Hunsiker - Jeremey had the opportunity to have this gig before Arnel and is only in this position because of the previous precedence that would not go back there. Jeremey's voice is great, I seen him live in Bloomington, IN at the Bluebird and he was great. He has a great voice, I love his writing, his version of Never Walk Away is better than is on the Revelation record. I think he'd be great but I don't think the band would go back there due to whatever reasons.

Who else should be considered and why?

[steveo777]

I'd like to see the following guys considered in order of priority:

1. Steve Perry - do whatever you have to do to record one good rock records and do a limited tour with Perry. The guy is Jesus to lead singers, period. Get Brett Manning to work with him for 6 months, do a record in 4 weeks, and do a limited tour and call it a day. His melodic capability, writing skills and the voice of the 20th century gives him a pass for whatever it takes to get him back. Cain loves him as a writer and Schon loves him for his ability to harness his musical genious in a melodic way. The guy is the greatest vocalist to walk the earth, get him, have Manning get him (or me) in shape, and do a limited tour for the fans!

2. Hugo - I give Hugo the second nod because of his range and his music writing ability. His solo and Valentine records have KICKED JOURNEY'S ARSE. The guy is a great singer, musician and song writer. Hugo's work can hang with Journey's best and is clearly better than anything post Frontiers and arguably Escape.

3. Kevin Chalfant - no more needs said. Kevin's music on his own name, Two Fires with Ramos and The Storm with the obvious players are great music. Kevin's only drawback is his age. The guy is a great singer and song writer with great chops. My only concern is his age and the range he has to cover. The guy is awesome and his song writing hangs with anyone.

4. James Durbin - if Journey really wanted a feel good story that would carry on for the next couple of decades, they would consider this kid. I think Idol sucks but this kid could sing like a mofo. He has a great story about dealing with Turrets Syndrome but most importantly, HE HAS A GREAT VOICE. Get this kid and make hay for the next 20 years until Neil keels over and has no alimony. The kid deserves a shot.

5. Michael Bolton - Holy crap I never realized how good this guy was because of the gooshy fago crap he sang. I bought The Hunger where Schon and Cain had influence with Bolton singing and it was still gay. I've heard his latest commercials for whatever Japo car company, but HFS his voice is awesome. He sounds as great as he did 20 years ago on fago material. Schon, go get him, smack him around a bit, play some shite with balls, tell him to grow a pair and rock! The guy is a great singer.

6. Mitch Milloy - I had no idea who this guy was until the recent VH info. I still don't know much. This guy has two things going for him. One, he has a great voice that kicks butt in the range that fits with Journey. Two, the guy has character OUT THE ASS by telling VH to pound sand for the right reasons. Balls and a voice, go get this guy. My guess is Journey needs a good singer with no input so JC and NS can manage the important stuff and not be a band. If this is the case (and I'm sure it is), MM tell Journey to FO just like you did VH. Well done sir, you rock!

Honorable mentions:
1. Jason Kelty - dude I don't know what you're doing but I seen you in the mid 90's and you were awesome. I'm not sure what you sound like now but your voice NAILED the 1978 to 1980 Perry voice. I'd like to hear more from you sir.

2. Jeremey Hunsiker - Jeremey had the opportunity to have this gig before Arnel and is only in this position because of the previous precedence that would not go back there. Jeremey's voice is great, I seen him live in Bloomington, IN at the Bluebird and he was great. He has a great voice, I love his writing, his version of Never Walk Away is better than is on the Revelation record. I think he'd be great but I don't think the band would go back there due to whatever reasons.

Who else should be considered and why?

No More,

Drugs for this man! Are you fucking stoned, retarded, or just plain incompetent? You have some very, very, very deluded realities about singers. You got only one right, which was your No. 1 but you fucked the rest of the list into the grave yard, you necrophilic sicko! Take another fucking hit of LSD and let it take you back about 25 years. Out of all you mentioned, unfortunately, nobody knows who they are, except for Dubin. You know how those fad fags normally work out. You grabbed a good person with Hunsicker.....gotta give ya that. I don't think he is up to the task at this point, which is not really his fault. He's a good guy though. I'm also surprised that you don't drink Soto crank juice like most of the other fawners around here.

[The_Noble_Cause]

Will quote you the quicker way, and am very sorry if you are not competent enough to understand something outside of the norm. Perhaps you should try "thinking outside of the box." And, can't you remember what you posted - altzheimer? Seems I remember what you posted, and GLADLY refer you back to it. From what I've read, a "vast majority of the Perry fanbase" have $127,000 loose cash laying around for bidding. Your rants are "unintelligible" and there is nothing better than confusing a ranting small mind. Now, take all the time in the world to get right your important quotes - if you have nothing else better to do, and I'll continue replying to your ranting my way. "The Art of Confusion" is a wonderful tool to throw at a ranting small mind, not to mention how funny it is if it appears that you are responding to your own ranting......"Yep"!

Spending time making posts defending the sacred honor of a singer who hasn't toured in decades and who shys away from the limelight, isn't funny or ironic. It's just fucking sad. It was pathetic in 1998 and it's even more pathetic now.

[The_Noble_Cause]

I'd like to see the following guys considered in order of priority:

1. Steve Perry - do whatever you have to do to record one good rock records and do a limited tour with Perry. The guy is Jesus to lead singers, period. Get Brett Manning to work with him for 6 months, do a record in 4 weeks, and do a limited tour and call it a day. His melodic capability, writing skills and the voice of the 20th century gives him a pass for whatever it takes to get him back. Cain loves him as a writer and Schon loves him for his ability to harness his musical genious in a melodic way. The guy is the greatest vocalist to walk the earth, get him, have Manning get him (or me) in shape, and do a limited tour for the fans!

2. Hugo - I give Hugo the second nod because of his range and his music writing ability. His solo and Valentine records have KICKED JOURNEY'S ARSE. The guy is a great singer, musician and song writer. Hugo's work can hang with Journey's best and is clearly better than anything post Frontiers and arguably Escape.

3. Kevin Chalfant - no more needs said. Kevin's music on his own name, Two Fires with Ramos and The Storm with the obvious players are great music. Kevin's only drawback is his age. The guy is a great singer and song writer with great chops. My only concern is his age and the range he has to cover. The guy is awesome and his song writing hangs with anyone.

4. James Durbin - if Journey really wanted a feel good story that would carry on for the next couple of decades, they would consider this kid. I think Idol sucks but this kid could sing like a mofo. He has a great story about dealing with Turrets Syndrome but most importantly, HE HAS A GREAT VOICE. Get this kid and make hay for the next 20 years until Neil keels over and has no alimony. The kid deserves a shot.

5. Michael Bolton - Holy crap I never realized how good this guy was because of the gooshy fago crap he sang. I bought The Hunger where Schon and Cain had influence with Bolton singing and it was still gay. I've heard his latest commercials for whatever Japo car company, but HFS his voice is awesome. He sounds as great as he did 20 years ago on fago material. Schon, go get him, smack him around a bit, play some shite with balls, tell him to grow a pair and rock! The guy is a great singer.

6. Mitch Milloy - I had no idea who this guy was until the recent VH info. I still don't know much. This guy has two things going for him. One, he has a great voice that kicks butt in the range that fits with Journey. Two, the guy has character OUT THE ASS by telling VH to pound sand for the right reasons. Balls and a voice, go get this guy. My guess is Journey needs a good singer with no input so JC and NS can manage the important stuff and not be a band. If this is the case (and I'm sure it is), MM tell Journey to FO just like you did VH. Well done sir, you rock!

Honorable mentions:
1. Jason Kelty - dude I don't know what you're doing but I seen you in the mid 90's and you were awesome. I'm not sure what you sound like now but your voice NAILED the 1978 to 1980 Perry voice. I'd like to hear more from you sir.

2. Jeremey Hunsiker - Jeremey had the opportunity to have this gig before Arnel and is only in this position because of the previous precedence that would not go back there. Jeremey's voice is great, I seen him live in Bloomington, IN at the Bluebird and he was great. He has a great voice, I love his writing, his version of Never Walk Away is better than is on the Revelation record. I think he'd be great but I don't think the band would go back there due to whatever reasons.

Who else should be considered and why?

Herbie wanted Kevin Chalfant. That is all I need to know. Next pick - Bolton would've been a great Sammy Hagar-like replacement and would've moved the band into an even more soulful stratosphere. Mickey Thomas would've been great pick. Nay on Hugo. His voice is too thin. Geoff Tate (Queensryche) auditioned with the band and wrote the great tune, "Walking Away from the Edge." In his prime, he had some great vox.

Augeri's work on Tall Stories was awesome, but the live Tyketto bootlegs out there, always made me worry that his voice would break down. And it did.